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Dont Hurt Me
Jun 2, 2006, 01:03 PM
Well it looks like the world leaders offered Iran Free Nuclear Plants and material to fuel them. Irans answer is No! I have said it before but here it is again, Iran was never after energy sitting on all that oil. Its allways been about building the big one thats the true goal. Ok George start the bombing we gave them a chance and they said No. Here's the article http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/02/us.iran/index.html



AvSRoCkCO1067
Jun 2, 2006, 01:05 PM
Well it looks like the world leaders offered Iran Free Nuclear Plants and material to fuel them. Irans answer is No! I have said it before but here it is again, Iran was never after energy sitting on all that oil. Its allways been about building the big one thats the true goal. Ok George start the bombing we gave them a chance and they said No. Here's the article http://www.cnn.com/2006/world/meast/06/02/us.iran/index.html

The link didn't work for me :confused:

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 2, 2006, 01:24 PM
Thanks for that, i corrected it.

Thanatoast
Jun 2, 2006, 04:32 PM
Um, Bush said that to come to the negotiating table Iran would have to suspend all activity. Isn't that kind of putting the cart before the horse?

"First, do what we demand, then we'll negotiate!"

This last offer was planned to fail. I can't believe everyone's going along with it with a straight face. Fortunately, we've already got 130,000 troops there for when we invade.

Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun sun.

freeny
Jun 2, 2006, 04:49 PM
where does it say we would give them free nuclear power? where does it reveal any of the bargaining chips??

mactastic
Jun 2, 2006, 04:57 PM
Mmmmm.... chips.
:p

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 2, 2006, 05:08 PM
where does it say we would give them free nuclear power? where does it reveal any of the bargaining chips??
It didnt that was me adlibbing:rolleyes:

PlaceofDis
Jun 2, 2006, 05:15 PM
because bombing everyone is the solution.... :rolleyes:

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 2, 2006, 05:31 PM
How about some alternatives? This president of Iran is as nutty as Hitler. Hitler only understood 1 thing and that was getting his ass kicked, short people.:rolleyes:

zap2
Jun 2, 2006, 05:39 PM
Yes, we can have Nuclear weapons but they can't seems far right?:rolleyes: Honestly humans are not smart enought to use Nuclear power, the cons out weight the pros. The best plan....

Everyone give Nuclear bombs to the UN so they can use them AFTER the UN says its ok, so it will only be used when it really needs to be..example is a Country got Nuclear Bombs and start to bomb everyone.

As for Nuclear Power.. we should start and use other alternative energy sources inplace of Nuclear Energy so noone can use the smokescreen of wanting energy, and then really making Bombs.


But chances are that won't happen in my life.. if ever

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 2, 2006, 05:45 PM
How about the world ban all nuclear weapons?

mactastic
Jun 2, 2006, 05:52 PM
How about the world ban all nuclear weapons?
First sensible thing I've heard all day...

skunk
Jun 2, 2006, 06:21 PM
How about the world ban all nuclear weapons?How would we coerce lesser nations into giving us permanent seats on the UNSC without being able to flatten them?

mactastic
Jun 2, 2006, 06:26 PM
I can hear it now - when nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have nuclear weapons...

solvs
Jun 4, 2006, 01:15 AM
How about some alternatives?
You really want to go through this again? I don't know what's going on with Iran, and I won't pretend to, but I can't say bombing them is the only sensible answer. Far from our first option. But hey, it worked on people once, looks like it's working again.

Zman5225
Jun 4, 2006, 01:28 AM
Nukes can be Bush's pretend goal for the next war. I did like his apology on not finding any WMD in Iraq though.

solvs
Jun 4, 2006, 01:49 AM
I did like his apology on not finding any WMD in Iraq though.
Are you being sarcastic? When did that happen? Must have missed it.

CorvusCamenarum
Jun 4, 2006, 05:57 AM
Yes, we can have Nuclear weapons but they can't seems far right?:rolleyes:
Do you want them to have the bomb? They don't call the US the Great Satan for nothing.

skunk
Jun 4, 2006, 07:04 AM
Do you want them to have the bomb? They don't call the US the Great Satan for nothing.Great Satan, Axis of Evil: what's the difference?

FFTT
Jun 4, 2006, 07:56 AM
The powers that be supposedly knew what they were doing when 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl were built.

Even if todays designs for peaceful use of nuclear energy are safer, this
in no way guarantees that Iran would be able to control the beast that nuclear
energy harnesses.

Imagine the security implications for safe disposal of nuclear waste in a country where smuggling and bribery are a way of life.

We do have just cause for concern even if we don't have the right to dictate
what another sovern nation can do.

zap2
Jun 4, 2006, 08:02 AM
Do you want them to have the bomb?


No, but i don't think we should have any either..like i said give them to the UN for safety reason, so if any "crazy" country gets nuclear bombs were screwed.

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 4, 2006, 08:30 AM
You really want to go through this again? I don't know what's going on with Iran, and I won't pretend to, but I can't say bombing them is the only sensible answer. Far from our first option. But hey, it worked on people once, looks like it's working again.
I really think some govts and many Tyrants only understand one thing, and that is Force. Just look at Saddam? all he had to do was listen to the U.N. He would not,over and over so there he was living in a spider hole and now behind bars. People like Saddam only understand one thing. Overwhelming force. Iran may be just the same. You can give these guys every incentive,carrots etc but in the end they are what they are and want what they want. Tyrants dont care about people, we have seen it in Hitler, Saddam and many others throughout history. Im 100% against the proliferation of these weapons and if we have to bomb Iran so they understand this then so be it. We are giving them every chance to turn away and yet they dont want to.

whocares
Jun 4, 2006, 08:53 AM
Um, Bush said that to come to the negotiating table Iran would have to suspend all activity. Isn't that kind of putting the cart before the horse?

"First, do what we demand, then we'll negotiate!"

This last offer was planned to fail. I can't believe everyone's going along with it with a straight face. Fortunately, we've already got 130,000 troops there for when we invade.

Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun sun.

Why not finish up in Iraq first? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I always find it amusing to see so-called democracies (notice plural) bully other small countries into doing what said democracies feel is good for said democracies (and screw the small country). :p :rolleyes:

CorvusCamenarum
Jun 4, 2006, 08:59 AM
I really think some govts and many Tyrants only understand one thing, and that is Force. Just look at Saddam? all he had to do was listen to the U.N. He would not,over and over so there he was living in a spider hole and now behind bars. People like Saddam only understand one thing. Overwhelming force. Iran may be just the same. You can give these guys every incentive,carrots etc but in the end they are what they are and want what they want. Tyrants dont care about people, we have seen it in Hitler, Saddam and many others throughout history. Im 100% against the proliferation of these weapons and if we have to bomb Iran so they understand this then so be it. We are giving them every chance to turn away and yet they dont want to.

You're absolutely right about some people respecting nothing but force, but there's more to it. Unless we actually resorted to using a nuclear weapon (without qualification I do not advocate that), just about any threat we make these days is virtually empty. There is no incentive for Iran to comply at the moment because even if we were to march in the troops and create another mess, they know we'd spend the next decade cleaning it up for them, just like we're trying to do now in Iraq.

skunk
Jun 4, 2006, 09:04 AM
Imagine the security implications for safe disposal of nuclear waste in a country where smuggling and bribery are a way of life.Unlike all those countries which have nuclear power already, you mean?

FFTT
Jun 4, 2006, 09:55 AM
Good point!

I was thinking in terms of access to materials to make dirty bombs.

You're right it could happen anywhere.

solvs
Jun 5, 2006, 01:36 AM
We are giving them every chance to turn away and yet they dont want to.
But do you really trust our government to deal with it? The current administration? I'm kinda thinking they're only doing this because they're afraid of us. Same with Hamas.

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 5, 2006, 06:02 PM
But do you really trust our government to deal with it? The current administration? I'm kinda thinking they're only doing this because they're afraid of us. Same with Hamas.
Let me see, we have a war, a broken border, a broken immigration system,45 million without healthcare and this president wants to talk about gay marriage:rolleyes: No I dont trust George Bush on anything.

mactastic
Jun 5, 2006, 06:15 PM
Let me see, we have a war, a broken border, a broken immigration system,45 million without healthcare and this president wants to talk about gay marriage:rolleyes: No I dont trust George Bush on anything.
You can trust him to pretend to care about the influence of homos getting married on the rest of us...

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 5, 2006, 06:21 PM
You can trust him to pretend to care about the influence of homos getting married on the rest of us...
Its pretty sad what this guy wants to do, amend the Constitution while attacking it with the Patriot act and ignoring his sworn duties of defending our borders. Lou Dobbs did a poll today and in importance the public gave this issue was 1%. Our president wants lower poll numbers i guess. Republicans just suck these days.