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MacRumors
Feb 21, 2003, 02:21 PM
MacWhispers posts two updates today:

This article claims (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000033.php) that the 15" Powerbook is delayed... despite being said to be ready to go (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/02/20030210065720.shtml), this report states it won't be available until April.

Another article (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000032.php) claims that the new iPods will be released on February 25th, 2003... despite previous claims (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000022.php) that they would be released "no later than February 11th".

Meanwhile, an unconfirmed report sent to MacRumors claims the following:


The release date will be Tuesday, February 25. They will be 10, 20, and 40 GB. The pricing scheme will remain the same. In addition, there will be Firewire 800 and lighter and thinner 10 and 20 GB iPods. There are will be no color screens and the scroll wheel will remain the same. This will be the last update until MWNY when the iPod will undergo a major update.



This report differs from MacWhispers' report with the addition of FW800, which was reported by MacWhispers (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000004.php), but then later retracted (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000029.php).



moosecat
Feb 21, 2003, 02:36 PM
Hee hee. "No, really. This time I mean it. Feb. 25 for sure. ... Probably."

g30ffr3y
Feb 21, 2003, 02:40 PM
thats a pretty intense prediction... mac whispers are putting their arse on the line with a definative date and all... i disagree completely as the 10 gig has just gone on sale til march 14which leads me to believe march 18th would be a more reasonable prediction, but hey, this is so many of our wet dreams, to have a 40gig ipod that is... so prove me wrong and bring it on!!!

Art Vandelay
Feb 21, 2003, 02:40 PM
I wouldn't put much stock into anything MacWhispers says considering it's run by Jack Campbell of MacTable fame. If you're not familiar with the MacTable fiasco, check http://www.macintouch.com/mactable.html

sparks9
Feb 21, 2003, 02:51 PM
This rumour is bs. It will NOT have firewire800!

achmafooma
Feb 21, 2003, 03:04 PM
"According to sources inside Texas Instruments, that company is shipping a new low power FireWire 800 (IEEE1394b) bridge chipset to Apple. As the only portable product made by Apple to use such an HDD bridge is the iPod, clearly Apple is preparing to launch new iPod models that implement the twice-as-fast FireWire standard."


Okay, let's say for fun that MacWhispers is right - TI is shipping Apple FireWire 800 bridge chipsets.

I take issue with the "As the only portable product made by Apple to use such an HDD bridge is the iPod" part ... who's to say that the iPod won't stay FW400, and a new video device (vPod?) will use FW800?

Who's to say an iTablet wouldn't use FW800?

My only point is that even if true, these might be for a totally new device - NOT for the iPod. It seems that an iPod is just fine with old-school FW400.

That is, if the rumor has any truth at all.

bennetsaysargh
Feb 21, 2003, 03:24 PM
the only computers with FW800 are the 17 inch PB G4, the 17 inch iMacs, and the Powermacs.
It won't be FW800 for a little while longer.
I want new updates really soon and i mean really really soon.

GPTurismo
Feb 21, 2003, 03:30 PM
All i can say is that it better have FW400 and FW800. I have a dual 800 at home and if they start releasing peripherals that are not compatible I will be very very upset.

arn
Feb 21, 2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by GPTurismo
All i can say is that it better have FW400 and FW800. I have a dual 800 at home and if they start releasing peripherals that are not compatible I will be very very upset.

I think a FW800 device will still connect to a FW400 edvice.

arn

yzedf
Feb 21, 2003, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by arn
I think a FW800 device will still connect to a FW400 edvice.

arn

With an adaptor.


See page 3:


http://a992.g.akamai.net/7/992/51/93b28da05d3103/www.apple.com/firewire/pdf/FireWire_Tech_Brief-a.pdf

MacFan25
Feb 21, 2003, 03:55 PM
I wonder if we will actually see iPod updates on the 25th or not.

sparkleytone
Feb 21, 2003, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Art Vandelay
I wouldn't put much stock into anything MacWhispers says considering it's run by Jack Campbell of MacTable fame. If you're not familiar with the MacTable fiasco, check http://www.macintouch.com/mactable.html

damn...deleting bookmark and washing my hands. creep.

Gus
Feb 21, 2003, 04:36 PM
Art Vandelay. I love that screen name! Perfect!

Ok, Feb. 25 now, huh? We'll see. I don't know. I'll be honest with you, if it is just another hard drive size bump, I will be disappointed. At what point are we just going to have Firewire HD's from Apple? Guess I just want something new.

Regards,
Gus

Freg3000
Feb 21, 2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
the only computers with FW800 are the 17 inch PB G4, the 17 inch iMacs, and the Powermacs.
It won't be FW800 for a little while longer.
I want new updates really soon and i mean really really soon.

Exactly. I don't want to have to go out an buy a Firewire 800 PCI card.

Ok, I do. :D

But I am sure others won't, and if Apple doesn't include them immediately (not even the 17" iMac has FW800) I doubt any PC will either.

job
Feb 21, 2003, 08:54 PM
i would be slightly disappointed if there is no price drop on any of the ipods.

even with HD changes, paying $300 for 10GBs still seems fairly pricey.

it would be nice to see a 10GB come in at $199.

if not, i'll just pick up an old refurb one. :p

edenwaith
Feb 21, 2003, 11:38 PM
These reported updates seem fairly reasonable. I'm not going to comment on the date, though. But it seems like a minor bump to the iPods...it looks like they need it since the 5 GB iPods seem to have gone out of stock. However, I would like to see either a 5 or 10 GB model go down to $199. The iPod looks like a cool little device, but they are still too expensive for me to buy one.

In regards to the hard drive size, going up to 40 GB seems to be getting kind of silly. How many people even come close to touching the 40 GB worth of songs? I have less than 500 MB worth of songs on my computer, and I don't even have 40 GB of total hard drive space. Even if I burned all 225+ CDs I have to my computer, and coming in at around 5 MB per song for 10 songs per CD, that would come out around 11 GB, and I certainly don't listen to all of my CDs, so I could easily fit all of my favorite albums onto one 10 GB iPod.

Ending remark: do they really need to keep increasing the size of the hard drives? Or should they concentrate on something else?

iSegway
Feb 22, 2003, 12:56 AM
Ending remark: do they really need to keep increasing the size of the hard drives? Or should they concentrate on something else?

Considering that CD's are nowhere near the level of quality of the actual studio recording, I don't think you can ever have enough space. At least if you are an audiophile.

Not to mention the ability to use it to transfer information from a home PC to a school or work PC without the need for a notebook.

It isn't as if it requires a lot of engineering to throw in a larger capacity HD. The question is: Will people buy an Ipod with such high capacity. All I can speak for is myself... If I had the money I definately would.

sparks9
Feb 22, 2003, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by edenwaith
These reported updates seem fairly reasonable. I'm not going to comment on the date, though. But it seems like a minor bump to the iPods...it looks like they need it since the 5 GB iPods seem to have gone out of stock. However, I would like to see either a 5 or 10 GB model go down to $199. The iPod looks like a cool little device, but they are still too expensive for me to buy one.

In regards to the hard drive size, going up to 40 GB seems to be getting kind of silly. How many people even come close to touching the 40 GB worth of songs? I have less than 500 MB worth of songs on my computer, and I don't even have 40 GB of total hard drive space. Even if I burned all 225+ CDs I have to my computer, and coming in at around 5 MB per song for 10 songs per CD, that would come out around 11 GB, and I certainly don't listen to all of my CDs, so I could easily fit all of my favorite albums onto one 10 GB iPod.

Ending remark: do they really need to keep increasing the size of the hard drives? Or should they concentrate on something else?

Apple has to use the Harddisks that are available. If the 5 gig toshiba drive is discontinued they can't make 5 gig iPods anymore.
Then they have to use 10-20-40 gig drives instead.

g30ffr3y
Feb 22, 2003, 09:23 AM
In regards to the hard drive size, going up to 40 GB seems to be getting kind of silly. How many people even come close to touching the 40 GB worth of songs?



i have about 30 gigs worth of stuff... ever since ive been following this rumor ive been ripping all my cd's and any of my friends i can get my hands on... sure i wont listen to a lot of it as it would take weeks to do so, but the sheer ability to carry all that music with you is amazing... plus, you never know when youll want to hear that obscure song and not feel like digging through all your cd's to hear it... so IMHO a 40 gig ipod would be ideal, leaving me room for more content as i acquire it...

djniche
Feb 22, 2003, 02:23 PM
what's so crazy about 40 gigs of space?? allows for a lot more tunes to go with you on the ipod. You can always rip cds or songs to 192 rate or above for great sounding songs.

I use the ipod not only for music but also to carry programs and other files on it. I would love the 40 gig.....

10/20/40 makes sense to me.. I sold my 5 gig and waiting for tuesday!!

Winston Smith
Feb 22, 2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
damn...deleting bookmark and washing my hands. creep.

Me to! I thought some of MacWhispers stuff was interesting, at least until proven wrong.
Hopefully the proof will come with new Powerbook 15.4' on Tuesday!!!

backspinner
Feb 22, 2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
damn...deleting bookmark and washing my hands. creep.
sure, that story sucks

but interestingly macwhispers is a nice format and as long as you take it with a grain of salt it is an insightful site

maybe mister mactable has bettered his life? as an electronics engineer I like the macwhisper methods and his comments are clever and not obstructing

vanillamike
Feb 22, 2003, 03:46 PM
I'm not coming to the defence of the macwhispers guy but who cares about his previous mistake. He is now part of DVForge and no longer even in business for himself. I think his website is interesting, and he isn't putting a gun to anyones head to visit it, live and let live.

Mike

timbloom
Feb 22, 2003, 05:47 PM
Firewire devices are both forward and backwards compatible with FireWire 800. So even if they do come with 800, it would be compatible with either way.

my main concern is, why would they give it a storage bump, while still doing a "major overhaul" in less than 6 months, it isnt reasonable. Also, if they were moving to FW 800, why wouldn't they just wait till the major update, so they could use the exact same cases till the overhaul?

My personal opinion would be that a major update is near, but still a full product cycle first. So it will either have a size update soon, then a full redesign more than 6 months afterward, or It will recieve the full redesign when it goes up to a 40 gig model.

DavPeanut
Feb 23, 2003, 05:16 PM
What we have now is conflicting rumors about the future of the iPod, some saying only larger HDDs, and others saying new functionality. I think that they may make make it like the __Macs and __Books. Have an MP3 player called the iPod, and a Powerful other thing called the PowerPod. It would fit perfectly with the current product sceme.

Flowbee
Feb 23, 2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by DavPeanut
Have an MP3 player called the iPod, and a Powerful other thing called the PowerPod. It would fit perfectly with the current product sceme.

www.powerpod.com

Cool! I guess it solves the battery drain problem. Wonder how many songs it holds? :D

Bateman
Feb 23, 2003, 06:11 PM
You know you're in love with Apple when solar powered generators named the powerpod start looking like iMacs....


I'll take 3!!

DavPeanut
Feb 23, 2003, 06:16 PM
Ok, ProPod then, or something.

Death2PCs
Feb 24, 2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
the only computers with FW800 are the 17 inch PB G4, the 17 inch iMacs, and the Powermacs.
It won't be FW800 for a little while longer.
I want new updates really soon and i mean really really soon.

17 inch iMacs dont have FW800... only the 17inch PB and the new powermacs. which is a prime reasone that the new ipods will not have ieee1394b.

a 40gb does seem reasonable. as everyone neglects to mention/remember the ipod is not JUST an mp3 player, its a portable hard drive, it stores other files as well. you will probably see fw800 in the new updated ipods in about a year with color screen and what ever else apple descides to add (bluetooth, touchscreens, or whatever).

MacFan25
Feb 24, 2003, 05:17 PM
Hmm...I wonder if there will be a major update at MWNY, what it will be. Color screen? Touchscreen?

Doctor Q
Feb 25, 2003, 11:31 AM
According to my calendar, it is February 25. I don't see any new iPods.

yzedf
Feb 25, 2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
According to my calendar, it is February 25. I don't see any new iPods.

Indeed.

$50 price cut on the 10 and 20 that they sell today could prolly help them a bit.

Yuniverse
Feb 25, 2003, 04:41 PM
I'm personally waiting for a new 15" powerbook... but thought of waiting until april or later...makes me cringe...a bit.

kumichou
Feb 26, 2003, 12:28 PM
People are waiting for new 15" Powerbooks to appear? I just ordered my 17" Powerbook, and according to my order summary, it'll get delivered on or before 4/8/2003. OUCH! :( That's a crock that they were announced in the beginning of January, and it'll be till late March/early April until they're shipped. This kind of reminds me of the original XServe announcement.