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IJ Reilly
Jun 5, 2006, 10:04 AM
The Pentagon's move to omit a ban on prisoner humiliation from the basic guide to soldier conduct faces strong State Dept. opposition.

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon has decided to omit from new detainee policies a key tenet of the Geneva Convention that explicitly bans "humiliating and degrading treatment," according to knowledgeable military officials, a step that would mark a further, potentially permanent, shift away from strict adherence to international human rights standards.

The decision could culminate a lengthy debate within the Defense Department but will not become final until the Pentagon makes new guidelines public, a step that has been delayed. However, the State Department fiercely opposes the military's decision to exclude Geneva Convention protections and has been pushing for the Pentagon and White House to reconsider, the Defense Department officials acknowledged.

For more than a year, the Pentagon has been redrawing its policies on detainees, and intends to issue a new Army Field Manual on interrogation, which, along with accompanying directives, represents core instructions to U.S. soldiers worldwide.

The process has been beset by debate and controversy, and the decision to omit Geneva protections from a principal directive comes at a time of growing worldwide criticism of U.S. detention practices and the conduct of American forces in Iraq.

The directive on interrogation, a senior defense official said, is being rewritten to create safeguards so that all detainees are treated humanely but can still be questioned effectively.

President Bush's critics and supporters have debated whether it is possible to prove a direct link between administration declarations that it will not be bound by Geneva and events such as the abuses at Abu Ghraib or the killings of Iraqi civilians last year in Haditha, allegedly by Marines.

But the exclusion of the Geneva provisions may make it more difficult for the administration to portray such incidents as aberrations. And it undercuts contentions that U.S. forces follow the strictest, most broadly accepted standards when fighting wars.

"The rest of the world is completely convinced that we are busy torturing people," said Oona A. Hathaway, an expert in international law at Yale Law School. "Whether that is true or not, the fact we keep refusing to provide these protections in our formal directives puts a lot of fuel on the fire."

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For decades, it had been the official policy of the U.S. military to follow the minimum standards for treating all detainees as laid out in the Geneva Convention. But, in 2002, Bush suspended portions of the Geneva Convention for captured Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters. Bush's order superseded military policy at the time, touching off a wide debate over U.S. obligations under the Geneva accord, a debate that intensified after reports of detainee abuses at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

Among the directives being rewritten following Bush's 2002 order is one governing U.S. detention operations. Military lawyers and other defense officials wanted the redrawn version of the document known as DoD Directive 2310, to again embrace Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention.

That provision — known as a "common" article because it is part of each of the four Geneva pacts approved in 1949 — bans torture and cruel treatment. Unlike other Geneva provisions, Article 3 covers all detainees — whether they are held as unlawful combatants or traditional prisoners of war. The protections for detainees in Article 3 go beyond the McCain amendment by specifically prohibiting humiliation, treatment that falls short of cruelty or torture.

The move to restore U.S. adherence to Article 3 was opposed by officials from Vice President Dick Cheney's office and by the Pentagon's intelligence arm, government sources said. David S. Addington, Cheney's chief of staff, and Stephen A. Cambone, Defense undersecretary for intelligence, said it would restrict the United States' ability to question detainees.

The Pentagon tried to satisfy some of the military lawyers' concerns by including some protections of Article 3 in the new policy, most notably a ban on inhumane treatment, but refused to embrace the actual Geneva standard in the directive it planned to issue.

The military lawyers, known as judge advocates general, or JAGs, have concluded that they will have to wait for a new administration before mounting another push to link Pentagon policy to the standards of Geneva.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-torture5jun05,0,7975161.story



Dont Hurt Me
Jun 5, 2006, 10:15 AM
We all know this guy we call "President" is for Torture only now not on U.S. soil. Thats was made clear by Mccain. I feel like we are in a time warp with this president going backward in policy and time on everything from the Geneva Convention to Gay Marriage.

Thanatoast
Jun 5, 2006, 10:18 AM
barf.

How did we elect these people twice? I can't believe (though the evidence is right in front of me) that the American people would support these yahoos just to stop gay terrorist marriages.

Why haven't people seen through their blatant power-grab? Why don't people get it, that these issues are symptomatic of of people who should not be trusted? Osama sucker-punched us, and the administration has been playing their hand with a level of evil genius heretofore unheard of.

George Bush is the greatest threat this nation has ever been faced with.

solvs
Jun 5, 2006, 11:11 PM
Surprised no one has posted this yet:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13126262/site/newsweek/?GT1=8211

Just because it's MSNBC, doesn't make it bad. ;) It's a good article that basically asks why stuff like this is happening. Short answer, blame the higher ups. It's not just civilians getting tired of this war. Not saying this type of thing is justifiable, or the norm, but it is understandable considering the situation. The ever changing rules and "do whatever it takes" attitude from the people in charge doesn't help either.

skunk
Jun 6, 2006, 03:25 AM
That's a pretty grim article.

solvs
Jun 6, 2006, 04:16 AM
That's a pretty grim article.
Based on the people who I know who've been there, it's pretty accurate. My favorite part was when one of the generals asked to speak with the head of the counter insurgency dept. and there wasn't one. Because we never learned our lessons from the last couple of wars like this. Some of them would like nothing more than to be handing out candy to kids and protecting the townspeople, but they have so much bureaucracy to deal, and so many different people telling them different things, many not knowing anything about the realities of the situation. All while pretty much anybody could be waiting to kill you. You don't know who's innocent and who's ready to blow you up, so when they tell them to shoot first and ask questions later we shouldn't be surprised when they do. And then we're surprised when the Iraqis retaliate. It never ends. Poor planning, lack of equipment, no exit strategy, and then cutting the soldiers' benefits all just add to the problem too.

Which is why that whole "if you don't support the war you don't support the troops" thing isn't working anymore.