Poll: For Non-Safari users... will 'Tabs' trigger your switch to Safari?

[MacRumors]

Vote: Poll: For Non-Safari users... will 'Tabs' trigger your switch to Safari? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=133&ref=forums.macrumors.com)

[vniow]

Not quite yet, it's still too buggy for me to use as a regular browser.

It's getting there though.

[Nermal]

I already use Safari, but I don't see the point of tabs. I've come from Windows (got my Mac about 2 weeks ago), and I had tab support in Mozilla but never used it, as I don't understand what's so great about them. Why use tabs when you can just use the dock?

[michaelyoung]

yes yes yes..daddy likes tabs

[weev]

Interesting you can have a a poll aimed specifically at 'Non-Safari Users' and over 50% of voters choose "I already use Safari".

Let's now have a poll for "Non-Computer Users", or even better, for "Non-Poll Voters".

:p

weev

[Bear]

Originally posted by Nermal
I already use Safari, but I don't see the point of tabs. I've come from Windows (got my Mac about 2 weeks ago), and I had tab support in Mozilla but never used it, as I don't understand what's so great about them. Why use tabs when you can just use the dock?
The dock becomes cluttered way too fast. In Mozilla & Netscape, a bookmark can be a bunch of URLs set to open in one browser window. Convenient idea, isn't it?

The way I uses tabs is I have a set of related tabs in a browser window. I still usually have multiple windows open, but not as many as before.

Anothe rnice feature is that you can have web pages load in the background when you have it open in a new tab. This allows you to easily continue reading the current page while the news page gets fetched by your computer. This saves having to find the window you were in while you're waiting for the new page to load.

Using or not using tabs is a personal preference, but I find them nice to have.

Also, I do believe using tabs is less overhead on the system than using extra windows.

[mysticdp]

This online CGI game is the only thing keeping me from switching. I can see it getting better and better, but until I have full support for this, I have no option but at staying on IE. :'(

[weev]

.... and only Explorer seems to work with Yahoo Games. Please let Safari let me play chess so I can shed the last attachment to the evil empire, and I aint talking bout Saddam

[Bear]

Originally posted by weev
.... and only Explorer seems to work with Yahoo Games. Please let Safari let me play chess so I can shed the last attachment to the evil empire, and I aint talking bout Saddam
Actually Netscape & Mozilla work with Yahoo games as well.

[Centris 650]

I already use Safari but I'm chompin' at the bits (not really sure what "bits" are and if I should be chompin' on them...) for AutoFill. Also looking forward to Tabs. I wonder how far Safari is from going Gold?

[Over Achiever]

Sure, I'm not using safari because it doesn't have tabs.

That and I don't have a mac yet;) :p

But tabs is essential in my browsing...when doing research it's nice to have tabs load in the background, and being able to switch from one site to the next w/o minimizing/maximizing windows.

I use tabs on my PC, in IE!!! I use a plugin called MyIE2...its awesome :D

[logo1234]

I don't use tabs, so this is not my reason to switch to Safari or not.
If it handles the sites I need, it's my favorite. Unfortunately some sites still don't work at all, so then I go back to Chimera and after that to IE (if there really is no other way!)

[chmorley]

Originally posted by Nermal
I already use Safari, but I don't see the point of tabs. I've come from Windows (got my Mac about 2 weeks ago), and I had tab support in Mozilla but never used it, as I don't understand what's so great about them. Why use tabs when you can just use the dock? I've heard/seen many people make the same argument--until they tried using tabs for a week. It doesn't seem like it should be a big deal, but it is.

Try it. You won't go back.

Chris

[howard]

i love tabs and when safari gets them then i'm switchin over. i have an ibook and to have a million windows of your browser open is awful, you have to search through layers and layers...but with tabs you can see right there what each thing is, there great

[goofbutt]

Can't fully switch until auto-fill and keychain access are implemented. Then I see no reason why I wouldn't .

[MorganX]

Originally posted by Nermal
I already use Safari, but I don't see the point of tabs. I've come from Windows (got my Mac about 2 weeks ago), and I had tab support in Mozilla but never used it, as I don't understand what's so great about them. Why use tabs when you can just use the dock?

I was the same way. Never used Tabs, never needed them. Then I counsulted for a majory cell company that was standardized on IE. Their cust svc used 5-7 intranet pages with various data and applets and needed access to them all at any given time. They needed tabs. Many other probably do also but since IE doesn't have them, they don't have a clue how much productivity they're losing. A small group was moved and documented the increased productivity. Unfortunately the company wouldn't leave IE en masse. I'm sure IE will add tabs following the release of Safari with tabs.

My iMac shipped from Taiwan today. I can't wait to give this thing a chance.

[wdlove]

Originally posted by goofbutt
Can't fully switch until auto-fill and keychain access are implemented. Then I see no reason why I wouldn't .

Is this planned for a future upgrade?

I'm waiting for Steve to tantilize me enough to purchase a new Power Mac!

[pilotgi]

I don't understand the comments about keychain access. Did Apple develop it's own browser which _doesn't_ access the password keychain?
As you can probably tell, I don't use Safari, as it's still in beta and will probably get a lot better in the months to come. Chimera works beautifully since the stay I installed it on my new iBook. I actually downloaded both Moz and Chimera for my new iBook, but when I saw the difference in file size, I decided to try Chimera first.

I ended up deleting Moz because I liked Chimera so much. I'll probably switch to Safari when it gets to 1.0, or at least use it along with Chimera until I make up my mind.

I wonder if they'll be able to keep the size of Safari close to what Chimera is when it gets to 1.0?

[Taft]

Originally posted by pilotgi
I don't understand the comments about keychain access. Did Apple develop it's own browser which _doesn't_ access the password keychain?

Yeah, it doesn't integrate with keychain. You'd think that would be a really simple thing for them to get into the first version.

Anyway, I don't think Safari is ready for me to use on a daily basis. Its lack of features and general bugginess in comparison to Chimera make it only a toy for me.

I am looking forward to future releases of Safari, but Chimera is a lot better right now.

Taft

[alset]

I resent Safari and view it as a poorly designed bunch of crap. I am offended that Apple has had such success over a superior Chimera with a product that shames me.

Dan

[yzedf]

Originally posted by Nermal
I already use Safari, but I don't see the point of tabs. I've come from Windows (got my Mac about 2 weeks ago), and I had tab support in Mozilla but never used it, as I don't understand what's so great about them. Why use tabs when you can just use the dock?

12 websites open at the same time. Doing "research" on the perfect... shape. One window is hella nicer than 12. Also nice for fact checking in the background, or to use as a reference.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by alset
I resent Safari and view it as a poorly designed bunch of crap. I am offended that Apple has had such success over a superior Chimera with a product that shames me.

Dan

that's patience for you. i am rather impressed with them. i think you should consider that they aren't just sucking off a million-line codebase like chimera, they are trying to make a browser that just runs fast. they have largely accomplished that, and now they are adding features. they will eventually get to where the other browsers are, and i think it's awesome that the mac community is standing behind it. it's not making apple forget about it or anything. wait till version one at least to say it sucks, lol. and if you think it's too long to wait, go check out winamp3 on PC. i waited SO LONG for that. anyways, tabs will probably make me use safari at all, finally. i may switch with a tabbed safari completely, but i like chimera so much i may just wait a little more.

[MacFan25]

i already use safari

[FattyMembrane]

Originally posted by alset
I resent Safari and view it as a poorly designed bunch of crap. I am offended that Apple has had such success over a superior Chimera with a product that shames me.

Dan
when i first heard of safari, it was just a little blurb on a webpage. i thought "this is going to be sad, apple will have put a lot of work into a browser that will not beat chimera", but when i downloaded the amazingly small file, i ate my words (or thoughts rather).
1. Safari is not poorly designed, it is small, effecient, integrated, and getting better with each release (consider where chimera was after it's first 3 beta releases and the fact that it's still more than twice the size of safari)
2. Gekko still renders some pages better than khtml, but the apple and kde teams are squashing those buggs quickly and furiously.
3. I'm using the new 62 build and safari's tabs are <i>better</i> than chimera's, no question. auto-fill and keychain support get better with each release.

safari is not inferior. chimera is not inferior. some pages load more quickly in chimera, but with the 62 build of chimera running without disk cache they are now about neck and neck (safari is actually faster for me on all pages i've tried, 62 has some serious snap to it). i hope that they both develop side by side to give us alternatives, but unless chimera improves scrolling speed, impliments atsui font rendering, and returns to the 1.3 trunk, the GM of safari will win.

[pimentoLoaf]

I'd rather have the cookie question figured out: I still can't log-on to http://www.guardian.co.uk .

Is it possible it's the site's fault for not recognizing the browser?

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Just after I first posted this, IE crashed; crashLog went on and on about "malloc" something.

[FelixDerKater]

I already use it much of the time. It still doesn't work with some important sites, such as my bank and webmail. Tabs will not affect the use of Safari. Those bugs need to be fixed.

[scem0]

If I hade a mac....... maybe.

[alset]

Originally posted by FattyMembrane

3. I'm using the new 62 build and safari's tabs are <i>better</i> than chimera's, no question. auto-fill and keychain support get better with each release.


I have tried Safari tabs. They were poorly designed and caused many unintentional tab clicks in my browsing.

I also find the interface in Safari to deviate from everything I know to be beautiful about Aqua. The window is sickeningly distasteful. Considering that I must view my browser for an extended amount of time each day, appearance DOES matter.


Add to this the completely thoughtless implementation of bookmarks as a means to cut back on usability, and you've got Safari... the biggest load or BS Apple has offered, up until 10.2.4 warped my productivity on THREE machines.

PS - Please don't fall back on the BETA argument to defend this overrated and underdeveloped browser. I am not complaining about elements that are considered beta problems, but those which are design issues. Safari is the first app in years to completely destroy my respect for Apple, and my ideas about Apple respecting my understanding of good software.

Dan

[timbloom]

You really need to backup some of your claims here alset, HOW does it cause unintentional tab clicks?! You're clicking randomly on your computer screen hoping you don't hit something?

Thoughtless implementation of bookmarks?! HOW?! I use them now more than I ever have, and see no problem with them.

Enlighten us!

[wdlove]

I would like to see them add the autofill feature!