This is what people don't like about Mac users

[secondbest]

This guy rates a seller as negative in pricewatch, because the seller required Internet Explorer to purchase, which he doesnt have on his mac. All other reviews were positive. He didn't even purchase a product there.

http://www.pricewatch.com/dl.aspx?q=4797

If you hate Microsoft for marginalizing your computer, don't take it out on businesses. It's not their fault, they are following the trends of supply and demand, your computers do not defy the laws of economics, regardless of how much you like them. Besides this, 99% of the problems with Mac compatibility lies solely with Apple trying to monopolize their niche market.

Macs have a lot of potential, but as users if you have this ridiculous sense of entitlement, people will see you as the oddballs and all you will get is lip service about compatibility.

[jive]

In fairness if the person can't use Firefox or an alternative browser I would be pissed.


Any site that doesn't let you use something other than IE is a scar on the WWW.

[Blue Velvet]

Why can't people make their sites standards-compliant and how is that a ridiculous sense of entitlement?

[yellow]

Besides this, 99% of the problems with Mac compatibility lies solely with Apple trying to monopolize their niche market.

Macs have a lot of potential, but as users if you have this ridiculous sense of entitlement, people will see you as the oddballs and all you will get is lip service about compatibility.

I think you have this backwards.. OS X tries really had to exist and be compatible in a Windows world. It doesn't behoove Apple to try and "monopolize their niche market". Their niche is TINY!! In many, many, many instances, it's been Apple changing to try and keep compatible with Microsoft. Microsoft never changes, why should they? They rule the roost. If anyone is "monopolize their niche market", it's Microsoft.

Beyond that, it's 2006 and a webdev who develops SOLELY for IE is [I]just plain lazy. There's plenty of Firefox users on multiple OS platforms who also couldn't use this site. LAZY.

But nice try.

[killmoms]

It is, believe it or not, perfectly possible to make a site that works just fine in IE, Firefox, and Safari. The only reason the web is "broken" is because Microsoft has INTENTIONALLY BROKEN STANDARDS so that people cater to their browser instead of ones that follow published standards. It gets me mad when a business caters only to Windows and IE users—it says "we care about our customers, but only some of them." I choose not to patronize those businesses.

[yellow]

Beyond that, people don't like what they don't understand and what is different than them.. hence, racism. :rolleyes:

[Stampyhead]

This is one of my BIGGEST pet peeves! (sites that only work in IE, that is) Any developer who cannot code a site to work in Safari and Firefox as well as MS Explorer is a pretty poor developer indeed. I am a web developer myself and I make sure that all of my sites work in every browser. There is no excuse to do otherwise. It's simply incompetence or sheer laziness.

[SheriffParker]

1. You can get IE for mac...

2. Even if I was a PC user, I'd be pissed that I had to launch up IE to browse a site. Firefox is so much better and most PC users would agree. That vendor is really limiting it's customer base by insisting that they shop with the worst web browser available, IE.

3. How can people generalize "mac users" into some kind of wierd stereotype. Mac users are just as diverse as PC users. If I saw some closed-mided post written by a PC user, the last thing I would do is extend judgement on anyone else who uses a PC... come on. :rolleyes:

[sushi]

Safari Solution:

- Add Debug menu

- Select USER AGENT --> Windows MSIE 6.0

Result, can probably now access the site.

BTW, done this many times. Usually works.

[plinden]

I am someone who has been using Mozilla/Firefox on Windows and *nix machines for > 10 years now (I'm a switcher only since February), and I am also really, really pissed off when I come across a site that works only in IE.

If the site has a webmaster email address I will sometimes write and ask for the site to be made standards-compliant, but having no evidence that this ever works, I normally don't bother and don't revisit any such website. This of course makes it even less likely to be fixed since the site owner can point at access logs showing some vanishingly small number of non-IE browers accessing the site.

I am also a web developer who makes sure I don't have any browser-specific code. It's not a huge effort to make a website compatible across browsers.

[Macky-Mac]

...If you hate Microsoft for marginalizing your computer, don't take it out on businesses. It's not their fault, they are following the trends of supply and demand, your computers do not defy the laws of economics, regardless of how much you like them.....


to require the use of IE on a site has nothing to do with "supply and demand" but rather it's the result of laziness on the part of a business.....they simply have decided not to make the effort to reach out to potential customers, and that's PC users as well as Mac users, who don't use IE

[mactastic]

Wow, so you joined MR just to gripe about this?

[Diatribe]

Wow, so you joined MR just to gripe about this?

Maybe he is the store owner? :rolleyes:

[Chip NoVaMac]

It is, believe it or not, perfectly possible to make a site that works just fine in IE, Firefox, and Safari. The only reason the web is "broken" is because Microsoft has INTENTIONALLY BROKEN STANDARDS so that people cater to their browser instead of ones that follow published standards. It gets me mad when a business caters only to Windows and IE users—it says "we care about our customers, but only some of them." I choose not to patronize those businesses.

Amen!

No reason that a business' web site NOT to be able to be used with any current browser.

What is going to happen in a few years time, when the next versions of IE show up - and Mac users won't have access to it?

[mkrishnan]

When security experts are encouraging even windows users to not use IE... I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to hold against an e-seller. It represents a loss of business -- it's not pissy. How can the seller expect people who cannot access the site to buy from them?

[yellow]

Unfortunately high probability of never hearing from this guy again. :(

[zap2]

IE sucks.. its not a Mac thing... its a computer user thing. I have not met a person to date who like IE after looking at the other possiblitys, that said tons of people just use IE.


If that what people don't like about Mac users i'm glad to be a Mac user

[yg17]

1. You can get IE for mac...


IE for Mac isn't the same as IE for Windows. Believe it or not, the Mac version is worse. Completely different engines. Just because something works in IE for Windows does not mean it will work in IE for Mac.

I WISH IE for Mac used the same rendering engine as Windows and was identical. I'd love being able to make sure my sites work in IE without having to fire up my PC and VNC into it (and VNC is by no means fast over a wireless network).

[mkrishnan]

Unfortunately high probability of never hearing from this guy again. :(

Oh, Newbie warning....

http://www.feuerwher.de/forum/troll.jpg

??? :(

[XNine]

I'd like to start a lawsuit against MS for making their development tools and IE as non-standards compliant as possible. In fact, it should be that you can't even release a product without it being completely web compliant.

[yellow]

Oh, Newbie warning....

But I want to. :(

Feeding trolls makes them bigger, and therefore more fun to take down in the dirt. Little trolls are for children. Me big man!!

[Felldownthewell]

I think that web designers should design all around useable sites, but I do think that this guy should have not left a negative feedback without even buying... He should have contacted the owner and told him that he was willing to buy but couldn't, that way the seller would have gotten both a sale and a positive feedback and the buyer would get the product he wanted without looking like an *******.

[skubish]

Don't blame the poor Mac user. Microsoft doesn't like to follow standards that have been established by the internet community. IE is just another example of it. I don't blame this person for giving negative feedback. IE is the most insecure browser there is. I wouldn't want to place an order using IE either.

[Brize]

This is a far broader issue than Mac users being frustrated that they're being locked out of certain sites. Why should Windows users be forced into using a browser that compromises the security of their machine and their data?

It takes an extraordinary level of incompetence to design a site - especially a commercial site - that doesn't work across all browsers. The problem of course is that most web designers are hired by people who don't know any better.

Most businesses would surely be alarmed to discover that their site is inaccessible to a significant proportion of their target audience. It's always worth dropping a friendly note to companies whose sites are broken on non-IE browsers. Let them know that you're unable to access their site properly (send screenshots if possible) and ask when they plan to deploy a standards-based site.

[iShane]

Maybe he is the store owner? :rolleyes:

EXACTLY what I was thinking when I saw that he was a newbie and had only posted in one catagory.

[sushi]

Maybe he is the store owner?
EXACTLY what I was thinking when I saw that he was a newbie and had only posted in one catagory.
After re-reading the OP post and thread, I think you guys hit the nail on the head with this.