PSP vs DS Lite - Sell us on your preference! [Archive]

Bubbasteve

Jun 12, 2006, 01:10 AM

DS Lite is less than half the price of a PSP, & has better games.

soo...the DS is where it's @, yo. w00t w00t.

PSP is teh suxxx0rs.

question, what game do you guys recommend? (I dont like guns, but like rpgs.)

I'm getting a ds lite as soon as they are back in stock :D
I have the New Super Mario Bros. and although it's fun, I find it incredibly easy...I'm going to buy Mario Kart and possibly Animal Crossing tomorrow. I'm very awaiting the release of Final Fantasy 3 (oh how I wish they remade Chrono Trigger in 3D...) and Children of Mana

AppleGuy08

Jun 13, 2006, 02:45 AM

DS Lite is less than half the price of a PSP, & has better games.

soo...the DS is where it's @, yo. w00t w00t.

PSP is teh suxxx0rs.

Riiiight. I love games that are designed to be played and beaten by 5 year olds :) Plus it has no movie capability, no music, no internet browser, hard to have any upgrades or peripherals. The psp graphics and games blow Nintendo's games out of the water. The extra price is worth it because sony will always keep it up to date. But its cool. I just prefer a system that not only allows me to game, but watch movies and surf the net when im on the go.

DeSnousa

Jun 13, 2006, 02:55 AM

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 03:27 AM

Riiiight. I love games that are designed to be played and beaten by 5 year olds :) Just to share some contrast, I love games. I don't care who the target market is, so long as I have fun playing it.

I own exactly 3 PSP games (Lumines, Gretzky NHL, and Mega Man X) and none of them have held my attention as long as any one of my DS games has.

Plus it has no movie capability, no music, no internet browser, hard to have any upgrades or peripherals. I bought a DS to play games. I bought a PSP to play games.

So far, the DS is the one with the games I want to play.

The psp graphics and games blow Nintendo's games out of the water. Too bad the sales numbers tell a different story.

The extra price is worth it because sony will always keep it up to date.

[quote]But its cool. I just prefer a system that not only allows me to game, but watch movies and surf the net when im on the go.For the record, movies are currently possible on the DS (through retail accessories) and a "real" web browser (Opera, to be exact) is coming soon.

Surfing the 'net on the PSP is a complete pain in the ass, honestly, and I've yet to get a DVD->PSP DVD converstion to spit out anything under 800MB. If I can't carry two or three movies on a 1GB card, it's a waste of my time.

That said, I have my 5G iPod for movies (rarely) and music (mostly). No need for the somewhat inferior media capabilities of the PSP. I play games on the DS and my PSP has been collecting dust for a few months now.

I almost bought Gradius Collection the other day. Then I realized that I'd be paying $40 for a handful of 20 year old games. WTF? And don't even pretend like UMD is a realistic format for buying movies. It's not. It's a joke and Sony just needs to let it die.

If you *LOVE* your PSP, that's great. I'm glad someone does. Just don't come into a DS Fanboy thread and start screaming "THE PSP IS BETTAR" ... it makes you look like a douche.

Smallville

Jun 13, 2006, 07:14 AM

My brother has a PSP, so I've had a bit of time to compare the systems to see what I'd like to buy. The PSP is boring and way overpriced.

I don't consider the fact that it can play UMD movies a bonus. I have a laptop that can play my DVDs, so I don't have to buy movies twice.

As far as games go, PSP is still just a handheld with buttons. The DS with the touch screen for games like Trauma Center could never happen on a PSP.

Also, the PSP can't sell me on nostalgia of playing old school Mario Bros. like a DS can. I don't have to have the latest games with the most realistic graphics. I like games that are simple and fun.

There was no contest between the two for the experience I want.

Torajima

Jun 13, 2006, 09:18 AM

Riiiight. I love games that are designed to be played and beaten by 5 year olds :) Plus it has no movie capability, no music, no internet browser, hard to have any upgrades or peripherals. The psp graphics and games blow Nintendo's games out of the water. The extra price is worth it because sony will always keep it up to date. But its cool. I just prefer a system that not only allows me to game, but watch movies and surf the net when im on the go.

First off, the kiddie argument has been beaten to death. It's funny how Mario is "kiddie", but you throw Mickey Mouse and a bunch of other Disney characters into a Square RPG and Sony fanboys go nuts over it.

I almost bought a PSP, until I realized

1. The multimedia capabilites are crippled (no native avi or divx playback? Even my palm pilot plays these). UMD movies are a joke, who in their right mind would pay MORE for a low resolution movie they already own on DVD?

2. No good software. This is a matter of opinion of course, but I could only find 4 games I'm interested in on the PSP, while there is about 20 games I want for the DS (plus all those great GBA games I never played). The PSP games are, for the most part, just portable versions of games you've already played on the PS2... not a whole lot of originality there.

3. It's over-priced. The price of the hardware I could stomach, but most of the games cost between $40 and $50... which is on average, $10 more than DS games.

4. I actuallly don't care about 3-D or Full Motion Video any more. Really, the novelty of it all wore off about 6 years ago. All I care about is the games and how fun they are... and I got to tell you, Meteos is about the most addictive game I've played in YEARS.

5. The DS lite screens are better than the one on the PSP. Not only are they brighter, but if you add the two together you are actually getting more screen real estate than single "widescreen" PSP. Also, the PSP screen has a tendancy to distort if you touch the screen or anything near the screen, say like a button. The DS has a better refresh rate too, and doesn't have the ghosting issues the PSP has.

I could go on, but I guess you get the point. The DS lite may have a slower processor, but it beats the PSP in most every other way.

raggedjimmi

Jun 13, 2006, 09:30 AM

IMO - the PSP is terrible. and I spent days worth of excitement then days worth of regret since buying it. It's a bad system with no redeeming features. hell even the DS is trashing the PSP in it's old homeland - homebrew. Nintendo don't block it (unless you have the iQue DS), the touchscreen makes it a squillion times better etc. i dunno. the PSP just feels like a half-arsed quick stab at Nintendo's dominant market.

To the people with partners who steal the DS. I had something similar happen. I just got that Castlevania Double Pack GBA game, I'm there. addicted to HELL on Aria of Sorrow. then I made the mistake of letting my girlfriend play on Harmony of Dissonance. Didn't get it back for a few days :( wasn't as bad as when she hijacked my Mario Kart. I had to reset it she messed the stats up so much! in the 4 days she had it she played more than my 2 months with it.

razzmatazz

Jun 13, 2006, 09:38 AM

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 12:41 PM

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 12:54 PM

Seriously though, just seeing this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7944224511882477313) video made me NEVER want to get a PSP....evar.

If the PSP works for you that's great. Why are you angry about consumer choice? You must work for SCE...Get a life.

LOL! That video was great! The two funniest things about it:
- the Benny Hill music had to be restarted about 5 or 6 times
- my screensaver kicked in while I was watching it... (yeah, it's THAT long)

:D

Thanks JDOG, I always forget about the "LOADING" crap people have to put up with on non-Nintendo systems...

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 12:55 PM

Wow, thanks for the list... Never heard of Nanostray but it looks awesome! ("shooters" rarely gets reviews these days... damn kids with their "first person shooters") ;)Are you kidding? Nanostray was one of the most anticipated titles of its time!

As for Polarium... is it any good? The graphics look so blend, it doesn't look like it's even worth 5$... I never played it though, so I don't know... :confused:I had a blast with Polarium, but it had little replay value after I finished the 100th puzzle. Well worth the $5 or $10 you'd spend to pick it up, IMO.

The only thing the PSP really has over the Nintendo DS is the bigger, widescreen display. This post is just as one-sided and useless as the one you replied to.

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 01:05 PM

Are you kidding? Nanostray was one of the most anticipated titles of its time!

I had a blast with Polarium, but it had little replay value after I finished the 100th puzzle. Well worth the $5 or $10 you'd spend to pick it up, IMO.

Oh, so Nanostray isn't a new release... I'll have to check for a used one then, because I've never seen it in the "new games" sections. As for Polarium, I think it's still selling for 20 or 25$ CAD... I'll try to get that one used if it's got no replay value (buy used, play to the end, sell back).

This post is just as one-sided and useless as the one you replied to.

Is it really? Because aside from Lumines, I haven't heard about the PSP's greatness. In fact I don't even know anyone who owns a PSP and never seen anyone buying one either. The price is just too high for a portable system.

2nyRiggz

Jun 13, 2006, 01:09 PM

^I'm going to have to jump in.....PSP is a great system...shine in the DS greatness all you want but sony has a very good system here the games are coming slowly.

I think the PSP is a good system along with the DS both of them have its advantages. Where i live i see more PSPs than DS(NYC)...everywhere i go i see PSPs....not one DS except mines.

Good games are coming but this thread here is for the lite....so let the DS lotioning continue..

Bless

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 01:15 PM

Is it really? Yes.

Because aside from Lumines, I haven't heard about the PSP's greatness. In fact I don't even know anyone who owns a PSP and never seen anyone buying one either. The price is just too high for a portable system.Those are all valid points, and I don't really disagree with you, but your presentation is self-defeating.

wako

Jun 13, 2006, 01:22 PM

The PSP is definately better in terms of what it is capable of. However Sony has invested too little in PSP gaming that there arent many good games for the system. In fact there are probably only 5 at most. Its a shame that Sony did not work with the developers as much as they should have for the PSP. Instead they kept pushing for the failing platform of the UMD to movie companies and obviously failed. Darn shame...

My sister recently got this DS Lite. Man that mario game is FUN. I have to admit. Actually to be correct, the main game isnt that interesting, but the MINI GAMES, oh man, I was HOOKED on that stuff. I gotta retract some of my previous statements about the mario comments from a previous thread. Because Ninentendo sure did a great job on making an interesting game out of characters that would attract a 5 year old. However then again it still does stand since I didnt like the main game :P

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 01:30 PM

Yes.

Those are all valid points, and I don't really disagree with you, but your presentation is self-defeating.

If you don't call putting two screens (one of them being a touch-screen) and a microphone into a portable gaming system "innovation", I don't know what is... Other than that, my original post wasn't a point of view as much as it was facts (sales, 3D quality, games available, etc).

So, what makes the PSP so great then? If you have an opposite point of view, surely you should be able to prove me wrong...

Here's my list:

PSP pros:
- powerful CPU
- big screen
- widescreen (good for movies)
- has a memory stick slot and can play MP3 music and MPEG-4 movies (not sure)
- browser (not sure which one it is though... W3C compatibility, etc)
- analog stick
- Sony exclusives (don't know which ones)

PSP cons:
- too big
- way too expensive
- 3D as bad as a PS1/PS2 (pixelated, etc)
- UMD movies are low-quality but almost as expensive as DVD movies (studios other than Sony are discontinuing UMD releases)
- no real "PSP games" as it's basically a portable PS2 with a widescreen LCD (what can be done on the PS2 can be done on the PSP and vice-versa)
- loading times
- possible mechanical failures (UMD drive)
- games almost as expensive as PS2 games

DS/DS Lite Pros:
- fast loading times (if any)
- dual CPUs
- dual screens
- touch screen
- microphone
- clamshell design (protects the screens when not in use - you know, "portable" gaming system?)
- exclusive games (because of dual screens, touch screen)
- Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection (not many games using it for now, but it's free and uses 802.11b)
- Nintendo exclusives (Metroid, Zelda)
- low-cost games (vast majority)
- browser will be easy to use (dual screen = vertical page, touch-screen = mouse-style cursor)
- GBA compatible (huge library of games)
- solid-state storage (cards), no moving parts in the system

DS/DS Lite cons:
- CPUs not really that powerful
- 3D as bad as N64 (pixelated, etc)
- not widescreen
- no movie/music playback without an add-on such as the Play-Yan micro (which is made for the GBA anyway)
- no browser without an add-on (Opera browser cart)
- no memory slot on the unit for CF, SD, etc (Play-Yan micro uses SD)

The PSP is a good system, but too expensive for what little is has to offer, IMHO. I don't know who said that, but "the best hardware on the planet is useless without software" (or something like that).

Haoshiro

Jun 13, 2006, 01:47 PM

Seeing as there will always be haters jumping into threads on the topic of either system, I've designed this thread to (hopefully) be easily digestable and used as a reference.

Vote for your prefered system and let us know WHY you love either system.

Try to keep replies or questions to a minimum, instead share your thoughts on one system or both, objective or not.

Then, when someone tries to stir the war up in other threads, just reply with a link to this thread!

---

Here's my opinion:

PSP
- Fairly nice screen completely ruined by a horrible refresh rate! Looking at this screen for any reasonable amount of time is painful.
- Battery life is horrid.
- UMD is a joke. Pay more for less of what you probably already have? Pathetic.
- There are some good/decent games and a lot of poor quality has-been PS2 ports/clones/spin-offs. The good games get ruined by the screen refresh rate and the poor battery life.
- Higher cost (system, accessories, and games)
- Disc-based system causes poor load times.
- Design of the system makes it easy to damage without a case.
+ Memory card support (even if it is only Sony MemorySticks)
+ Media playback

DS Lite
+ Excellent screen plus Nintendo's great defect policy.
+ Great battery life.
+ Clam-shell design protects the screen.
+ Carts have great load times and are much harder to damage.
+ Support for entire GBA back library of games
+ Many new, fresh games, made even better with the great screen, lack of load times, and great battery life.
+ Most multiplayer games support single-cart multiplay.
- No memory card support without accessory
- No media playback without external accessory
- Web browser not yet available.

GFLPraxis

Jun 13, 2006, 01:55 PM

DS Lite.

Even the most diehard Sony fans at GameStop I know who are buying a PS3 at launch fully agree that the PSP's games suck in comparison.

The DS has a better game lineup. That right there makes it the better system.

If we continue...the PSP's load times are horrid. I tried some of the demos- it took a full minute and five seconds to get into a game. The screen is pretty but scratchable (no clamshell design) in a backpack. The battery life is far inferior to the DS. The graphics are significantly better, but that's unimportant when there are not near as many good games.

I won't even mention UMD movies. That's a joke.

2nyRiggz

Jun 13, 2006, 02:00 PM

DS lite....for now

Yup i said it....i know what is what and right now the DS is the big dog.

PSP has a great future but for right now its laying in still waters. Everybody know i'm a PSP player but i will give credit where it is due and the DS games are wonderful and that touch screen just adds another punch to the gut.

i'm still trying to get over people talking about the PSP being bulky?:confused: .....the DS lite and PSP are the same size.

Bless

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 02:02 PM

So, what makes the PSP so great then? If you have an opposite point of view, surely you should be able to prove me wrong...You clearly struggle with the concept of an "opinion".

I'm not here to prove you wrong. I'm here to keep the piece. The DS and the PSP are both great pieces of hardware and they both have a selection of great games. It's that simple.

Some folks prefer the DS, others prefer the PSP. I've got both. So what?

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 02:27 PM

You clearly struggle with the concept of an "opinion".

I'm not here to prove you wrong. I'm here to keep the piece. The DS and the PSP are both great pieces of hardware and they both have a selection of great games. It's that simple.

Some folks prefer the DS, others prefer the PSP. I've got both. So what?

But that's just not true! You're just saying "PSP and DS are great" and "they both have great games" without taking anything else into account...

Let's take some exemples:
- the Hyundai Accent and BMW M6 are both great cars...
- McDonald's and Big Steak House both offer great meals...

Without any reference, it's pointless.

- The DS offers great value for the money and is innovative (see my list in my previous post).
- The PSP is too expensive and doesn't bring any innovation to gaming (again, see my list in my previous post)
- The DS have more exclusive titles (only available to the DS)
- The PSP mostly has remakes of PS2 titles (not saying there's no PSP-only titles)

Of course, some people don't see the value of money the same way as others, and "good games" is subjective.

No offense intended to anyone (Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo fanboys alike).

7on

Jun 13, 2006, 02:28 PM

Where's the option for the Old Skool DS ;-p

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 02:31 PM

But that's just not true! You're just saying "PSP and DS are great" and "they both have great games" without taking anything else into account...... They're video game platforms. What else do you want?

Let's take some exemples:
- the Hyundai Accent and BMW M6 are both great cars...
- McDonald's and Big Steak House both offer great meals...These are hardly applicable to the discussion at hand, but that's fine. It's clear to me (and most other folks, I'd assume) that you struggle with the possibility of peaceful coexistance between two great pieces of handheld gaming hardware.

- The DS offers great value for the money, etc (see my list in my previous post).
- The PSP is too expensive for what it offers (again, see my list in my previous post)These are both 100% subjective and are virtually saying the same thing.

- The DS have more exclusive titles (only available to the DS)Due, almost entirely, to the unique control scheme. A game like Brain Age will *never* fly on the PS2 or the GameCube. That's simple.

- The PSP mostly has remakes of PS2 titlesI'm not going to grab the PSP list and check off each title one-by-one, but I'd argue that this is simply not true.

Of course, some people don't see the value of money the same way as others, and "good games" is subjective.Of course "good games" is subjective -- That's why you'll find Mario Party and GTA3 on the shelves at the same time. Different games are aimed toward different folks and not everyone likes the same games.

That's what makes the PSP so great. It's what makes the DS so great. Which one has the games for you? Buy that one. Just don't throw down the 'holier than thou' gauntlet and jump up on your soapbox with the sole intent of talking down to the other handheld.

Haoshiro

Jun 13, 2006, 02:37 PM

Where's the option for the Old Skool DS ;-p

I was thinking of having more options but didn't want the results spread over more then the two "sides."

srobert

Jun 13, 2006, 02:43 PM

Both systems have their strength and weaknesses but to me it all comes down to games. There is a lot of games I like on the DS but very few on the PSP. (I don't really like sports, FPS and racing games). I also like the fact that the DS Lite fits nicely in my shirt's pocket. I hate carrying cases…*defeats the meaning of portability.

I might eventually buy a PSP if a few good RPGs are released on it. I'm surprised it isn't already sporting dozens. PlayStation has always been my platform of choice for RPGs.

Torajima

Jun 13, 2006, 02:47 PM

If money wasn't an issue, I'd probably buy both... but the DS lite simply makes more financial sense to me, since the hardware is cheaper (and arguably better suited for portable gaming) and the games are cheaper (and arguably more fun).

And there is no denying that the DS has a much larger game library (thanks in part to it's backward compatibility), and if it keeps dominating in Japan, it will be getting most of the 3rd party support in the future.

Sony also tends to have reliability issues (I've had a Sony walkman, CD player, DVD player, Mini-Disc Player, and Playstation all crap out on me)... while I've never had ANY problem with my Nintendo hardware.

So my vote goes to the DS.

Haoshiro

Jun 13, 2006, 02:48 PM

Chris:

I mostly agree and see your points.

But if you omit the games, which both the DS and PSP exist without in terms of pure hardware; I would not call the PSP "great". This may be the point he is driving at.

The PSP as portable hardware is flawed by design, not by function or software. The screen refresh rate is horrible (making movies and games painful on the eyes), moving parts kills battery life and makes the system more susceptible to failure, poor battery life makes the "portable" aspect of the system a problem since an external power source is a requirement for playing longer then an hour or two.

All I am saying is that it seems more accurate to say "The PSP has great games and so does the DS", but by just saying "PSP" you are suggesting the hardware and design is actually great, even from a practical, unbiased, perspective.

mechamac

Jun 13, 2006, 02:52 PM

I've got a DS and have rubbed the hell out of it playing lots of games - I like it a lot. That said, the PSP clearly has much better graphics and all, but whenever I've messed around with a demo unit in Best Buy the. Loading. Takes. Forever. and I just walk away from the thing while it tries to bring up a game. I haven't played a damn PSP game because of this.

Though, waiting for a Mario Kart internet game to come together has been almost as frustrating!

But for me, DS for the win.

Torajima

Jun 13, 2006, 02:54 PM

PlayStation has always been my platform of choice for RPGs.

Generally, the system that dominates Japan gets most of the RPGs (at least Japanese style RPGs). Which is why all the Square/Enix games are going to the DS.

I just wish more RPGs would make FULL use of the two screens. Maybe a closeup of your character and their facial expressions on one screen, and a closeup of who they are talking to (or battling) on the other. Something similar to what they did with the adventure game Trace Memory.

Using one of the screens for nothing but a map seems like such a waste...

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 02:54 PM

... They're video game platforms. What else do you want? [...] That's what makes the PSP so great. It's what makes the DS so great. Which one has the games for you? Buy that one. Just don't throw down the 'holier than thou' gauntlet and jump up on your soapbox with the sole intent of talking down to the other handheld.

Of course they're just "video game platforms". I'm not trying to start another flamewar here. I'm with you on the "I don't care what the platform is, I want that game" mentality.

I'm also not saying "the DS is better than the PSP". I'm also not saying "the PSP is better than the PSP". All I'm trying to say is that the DS offers more value for the money and is more innovative than the PSP.

When I see the DS Lite available at 150$ CAD (or the old DS at 130$ CAD) and the PSP at 230$ CAD, I can't help but think "the PSP is too expensive". Especially when you check the games prices.

And when I see the games available for the PSP, I can't help but think "these are all too similar to games I've played before". As for the UMD movies, well, sometimes they're more expensive than the DVD version.

Facts:
- The PSP is more expensive than the DS
- The DS has a longer battery life than the PSP (important detail for a portable system)
- The DS is more innovative than the PSP (count the new, exclusive features on both)
- The PSP is more powerful than the DS: fact (compare the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc and the multimedia capabilities - you'd need two additionnal carts for the DS to have similar multimedia features of the PSP which has them built-in)

The PSP is a portable PS2 and multimedia player. The Nintendo DS is a new portable system that brings new features for gaming.

If you want Nintendo franchises (Zelda, Metroid) and new genres of games that can't be ported to other hardware because of the features (dual screen, touch screen), don't get a PSP. If you want portable games, movies and music, don't buy a Nintendo DS unless you want the hassle of carrying two extra carts around (and reboot the system/switch carts).

People who can afford the PSP and want games only available on it are more than welcome to buy it.

People who can afford the DS/DS Lite and want games only available on it are more than welcome to buy it.

In the end, all that matters is games.

raggedjimmi

Jun 13, 2006, 03:01 PM

Aye, I've decided I'm going to run my DS fat into the ground before getting a Lite. I've never been 'rough' with a console before. figured I won't get much for my DS anyways so I might as well be a Regular Joe and damage it.

But yea. The DS is just incredible. Comparing it to every home console and every handheld I've owned, nothing comes close to the games on the DS. The Cube had a few games I'd call must-buys. Xbox had 1. Dreamcast had a little number too. but the DS, I have 12 DS games, out of those 12 I'd say 10 are must-haves. It's just incredible. I've been gaming since 1990 and nothing has come close to this device. Fills me with hope that Nintendo know what to do now. even with Sony entering their main market they show absolute power. I can even see DS sales skyrocketing when the Wii comes out. It's little brother and all.

The non-gamer market penetration is great too. I mean I'm playing "games" against people who have never picked up a controller before with games like Nintendogs and Animal Crossing. It's such a cliched thing to say. but it's true.

I have a PSP. So I can rightly judge what I want now, without any more temptation from the dark side. I mean people called the DS fat a cheap machine, I felt the same for the PSP. The blurry screen (though detail and colour mean nothing with a low refresh rate), the horrible button jiggeling, the flimsy plastic cover for memory cards, the flimsy UMD drive. I mean I've been able to run games with the machine open - laser running and all!
and who can forget the PSP's be-all end-all game; GTA. buggy as hell. unplayable.

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 03:01 PM

But if you omit the games, which both the DS and PSP exist without in terms of pure hardware; I would not call the PSP "great". This may be the point he is driving at.If you omit the games, the PSP is a hell of a lot more useful than the DS.

[P]oor battery life makes the "portable" aspect of the system a problem since an external power source is a requirement for playing longer then an hour or two.Have you ever actually *played* a PSP? I get a hell of a lot more than two hours out of a single charge.

All I am saying is that it seems more accurate to say "The PSP has great games and so does the DS", but by just saying "PSP" you are suggesting the hardware and design is actually great, even from a practical, unbiased, perspective.What the hell are you talking about?

I honestly couldn't care less about which has "better design", so long as each is comfortably useful and gets the job done. Top-notched design and unlimited battery power don't about to anything if there aren't games to play.

raggedjimmi

Jun 13, 2006, 03:04 PM

Oh, can someone please explain to me why PSP games cost more than DS games? Didn't the Sony fanboys scream about "CD's being cheaper" etc etc all those years ago, yet now they have the only disc playing handheld and the games cost up to double what a DS game costs in the most extreme cases? It is absolutely retarded on Sony's behalf to charge that much, or whoever is publishing them. So, I can buy GTA:LCS for £40 on the PSP, or £20 for the PS2 (HMV for both).
just stupid.

ChrisBrightwell

Jun 13, 2006, 03:09 PM

I'm with you on the "I don't care what the platform is, I want that game" mentality.Glad to hear it. :)

All I'm trying to say is that the DS offers more value for the money and is more innovative than the PSP.The DS offers more value to you. It's more innovative, in your opinion. Neither of those are objectively measurable, so quit trying to convince me that you're right.

When I see the DS Lite available at 150$ CAD (or the old DS at 130$ CAD) and the PSP at 230$ CAD, I can't help but think "the PSP is too expensive". Especially when you check the games prices.OK -- And what if there one killer app on the PSP that you just gotta have? Imagine if the PSP had some equivalent to Halo on the Xbox.

Again -- "Too expensive" is only relative. It doesn't matter what the DS costs if all you want is to play Lumines.

And when I see the games available for the PSP, I can't help but think "these are all too similar to games I've played before". And you're perfectly entitled to that opinion. To be fair, though, I think that's why Nintendo introduced the touchscreen and the Wii controller. Gaming was becoming stale.

As for the UMD movies, well, sometimes they're more expensive than the DVD version.UMD is a failed format for media delivery, IMO.

Facts:
- The PSP is more expensive than the DS
- The DS has a longer battery life than the PSP (important detail for a portable system)
- The DS is more innovative than the PSP (count the new, exclusive features on both)
- The PSP is more powerful than the DS: fact (compare the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc and the multimedia capabilities - you'd need two additionnal carts for the DS to have similar multimedia features of the PSP which has them built-in)You stated at best, three facts. Two of them are sort of dodgy.

Innovation is relative. That's a fact.

The PSP is a portable PS2 and multimedia player. The Nintendo DS is a new portable system that brings new features for gaming.The PSP was the first to bring internet-based gaming to the handheld masses, but most people forget that.

The PSP is more than a PS2 shoehorned into a handheld mold. If that's all you're ever going to see, it's no wonder you're underwhelmed by the platform and it's games.

If you want Nintendo franchises (Zelda, Metroid) and new genres of games that can't be ported to other hardware because of the features (dual screen, touch screen), don't get a PSP. Fair enough.

If you want portable games, movies and music, don't buy a Nintendo DS unless you want the hassle of carrying two extra carts around (and reboot the system/switch carts).Or you could pair your DS w/ an iPod. :)

In the end, all that matters is games.Then why are you causing this ruckus?

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 03:13 PM

When I see the DS Lite available at 150$ CAD (or the old DS at 130$ CAD) and the PSP at 230$ CAD, I can't help but think "the PSP is too expensive". Especially when you check the games prices.

And when I see the games available for the PSP, I can't help but think "these are all too similar to games I've played before". As for the UMD movies, well, sometimes they're more expensive than the DVD version.

Facts:
- The PSP is more expensive than the DS
- PSP games are more expensive than DS games (aside from very few exceptions)
- The PSP is more powerful than the DS: fact (compare the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc and the multimedia capabilities - you'd need two additionnal carts - Play-Yan micro and the yet-to-be-released Opera browser - for the DS to have similar multimedia features of the PSP which has them built-in)
- The DS has a longer battery life than the PSP (important detail for a portable system)
- The DS is more innovative than the PSP (count the new, exclusive features on both)

The PSP is a portable PS2 and multimedia player. The Nintendo DS is a new portable system that brings new features for gaming (PSP = pay more cash for more of the same old stuff, but portable).

If you want Nintendo franchises (Zelda, Metroid) and new genres of games that can't be ported to other hardware because of the features (dual screen, touch screen), don't get a PSP. If you want portable games, movies and music, don't buy a Nintendo DS unless you want the hassle of carrying two extra carts around (and reboot the system/switch carts).

Animal Crossing: Wild World = 3522-5799-7886 / Yvan256 / SR-388
Tetris DS = 0676-6299-3584
Metroid Prime: Hunters = 3995-0432-0397

Haoshiro

Jun 13, 2006, 03:43 PM

If you omit the games, the PSP is a hell of a lot more useful than the DS.

Have you ever actually *played* a PSP? I get a hell of a lot more than two hours out of a single charge.

What the hell are you talking about?

I honestly couldn't care less about which has "better design", so long as each is comfortably useful and gets the job done. Top-notched design and unlimited battery power don't about to anything if there aren't games to play.

Yes, I have played a PSP. "PSP" is the name of the device, the hardware. The PSP itself is far far from great. There may be great games on it, but it is not the PSP that makes them great. They could be on an entirely different platform and be just as good. As a music player I'm sure it does fine, but is severely beaten by nearly every other portable music device available.

Here is a link to an article (http://psp.ign.com/articles/574/574557p1.html) on the PSP battery life. It is more then two hours, depending on circumstances that could be barely more or a decent amount more.

dextertangocci

Jun 13, 2006, 03:59 PM

How can you people get excited over this?

I think it is just a gimic. I had a gameboy advance when they first came out, and I only used it about once. This ds thing has such small screens (why 2 screens?) and the graphics look very crappy. The only portable gaming device I would consider considering is the psp.

skipsandwichdx

Jun 13, 2006, 04:09 PM

Bubbasteve

Jun 13, 2006, 04:38 PM

I must say you get quite alot of features with the PSP, but I would rather save some $ because a.) I have a video iPod for my music, pictures, and videos and b.) a computer for my web browsing (I'm not knocking the PSP -- I think it's a very cool gadget).

The downfall to the PSP is the unappealing games (at least to me anyways)...true, the graphics are alot better looking but the games I've played for it wouldn't have that much replay value (compared to Mario Kart or Brain Age).

I agree that the majority of DS Games look like "kiddy" games, but in the DS's case, the kiddy games are what appeals to consumers both young and old vs. the PSP

In conclusion, I vote DS Lite

XNine

Jun 13, 2006, 04:40 PM

srobert

Jun 13, 2006, 04:43 PM

I guess because generally when I have time to sit down and play, I'm at home anyway and generally just play a console game.

Hmm… I see your point. Good point.

As for myself, I must have spent hundreds of hours playing my DSs in the subway/train/plain. It's true that when at home, I'll use the home consoles instead of the DS. (Except for finishing that Age of Empire or Advance Wars level I started on my way home ^_^)

XNine

Jun 13, 2006, 04:45 PM

Hmm… I see your point. Good point.

Yeah, it's not like I think they're useless devices or anything, they just don't suit my life or playing style. I can definitely see if you ahve to ride a bus to school/work or what not where it would be extremely nice to have. I haven't ever even fiddled with a DS but I do like the PSP.

Haoshiro

Jun 13, 2006, 04:47 PM

I have never realy actually enjoyed portable gaming. The 1st game boy was awesome when I was, like, 8. But since then it's been hard for me to get into them. I guess because generally when I have time to sit down and play, I'm at home anyway and generally just play a console game.

I'm pretty much in the same position as you, only with a slight twist. I always loved the 2D games of the pre-3D era. I feel like these almost disappeared with the release of PS1/N64 and beyond. So I will sit at home playing my GBA because there are actually new 2D 16-bit SNES-style games coming out for it.

So for me it is not so much that it's portable, but that it is actually a medium that still facilitates the genre and game styles I love. I love the new stuff too, but would rather not trade one for the other personally.

mark!

Jun 13, 2006, 04:50 PM

- The PSP is more powerful than the DS: fact (compare the CPU, GPU, RAM, etc and the multimedia capabilities - you'd need two additionnal carts - Play-Yan micro and the yet-to-be-released Opera browser - for the DS to have similar multimedia features of the PSP which has them built-in)

Sorry to be off topic, but when this browser comes out will it be included with the new ones at the time or will you be able to download it if you already have a DS? Sorry, I know close to nothing about the DS and what's going on with it

EDIT: from what I found on google, this was going to be on a cartridge like a game, then you can browser using the opera browser off the cartridge. is this true or a rumor?

atari1356

Jun 13, 2006, 05:09 PM

I voted for the DS Lite, although I don't currently own either... I'm very tempted to get the DS Lite, but can't justify getting it since my gaming time is limited - and the only time I can game is when I'm at home anyways, so I might as well play a console game (better graphics, games with more depth?).

This poll is funny, because if it had been taken when the PSP and original DS were first released, I think the results would have been much different. It also makes me wonder if Sony is working on a PSP version 2.

chairguru22

Jun 13, 2006, 05:11 PM

DS.

better games. all of the must-have psp games are on the ps2 pretty much.
cheaper. i dont want a portable thats almost as much as a console.
no load times. a portable system should be a quick pick-up and play system and should have no load times whatsoever.

psp does have a lot of functionality but it doesnt even do those features well.
music, you need a large memory card to hold songs.
movies, you need to purchase UMDs that can only be used on the psp and they cost as much as dvds.
web browsing, you need a wireless connection and the interface is terrible.

plinkoman

Jun 13, 2006, 05:22 PM

I have never realy actually enjoyed portable gaming. The 1st game boy was awesome when I was, like, 8. But since then it's been hard for me to get into them. I guess because generally when I have time to sit down and play, I'm at home anyway and generally just play a console game.

I'm the same way, which is why my ds lite is my first portable since the good old original gameboy. the only reason I bought this was because there were just too many good games on the ds for me to ignore. I basically only play this at home, where i'd rather a console, but oh well, it's fun anyways.

for me, the only choice in a console is the games, and as someone who has always loved nintendo exclusive games, it was a no brainer for me. besides, if all the additional features on the psp are as hard to use as those on the clie I used to have, I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

PlaceofDis

Jun 13, 2006, 05:26 PM

raggedjimmi

Jun 13, 2006, 05:31 PM

I'm pretty much in the same position as you, only with a slight twist. I always loved the 2D games of the pre-3D era. I feel like these almost disappeared with the release of PS1/N64 and beyond. So I will sit at home playing my GBA because there are actually new 2D 16-bit SNES-style games coming out for it.

So for me it is not so much that it's portable, but that it is actually a medium that still facilitates the genre and game styles I love. I love the new stuff too, but would rather not trade one for the other personally.

Same reason here. Handheld games are the last stop before those full immersive huge TV games. I've always preferred the old way. Always preferred 2D pixel art.

Dont play consoles that often. Doubt I'd play the Wii that much. Just the handhelds :) which is funny. I don't even take them out much. My folks have just bought some new land in Poland so hopefully I'll be doing plenty of travelling which is where I'll see the real benefit of handhelds.

atszyman

Jun 13, 2006, 05:40 PM

One thing that would probably sell me on a PSP today would be if the PSONE emulator had a method for "ripping" any PSONE games you already have to play on the PSP. I have most of the Square FF anthologies, and Chrono Trigger/Cross that would be a blast to take on the road during car/plane trips. But I don't want to have to pay for them again.

The same could be said for the DS as well. If the old games available for the Wii were somehow portable to the DS (I understand that it would have to be limited to SNES and prior) it would be an awesome setup for those of us who want the old games back. Of course this goes against my not wanting to pay for them mantra but since I've already sold off most of my NES, all of my SNES and only had a few N64 games (none of which I would get for the Wii anyway) I would have to pay for those games no matter what.

For the moment I'll have to be content with the PS2, N64, and NES that never get played. Hopefully I'll be able to justify a Wii in fall since Grad School will be nearly over.

kinesin

Jun 13, 2006, 06:34 PM

Sorry to be off topic, but when this browser comes out will it be included with the new ones at the time or will you be able to download it if you already have a DS? Sorry, I know close to nothing about the DS and what's going on with it

EDIT: from what I found on google, this was going to be on a cartridge like a game, then you can browser using the opera browser off the cartridge. is this true or a rumor?
It's true. :D

The opera press release say it's going to be normal DS cart. It has to be really in order to boot the DS in DS enabled hardware mode where it has access to the wifi, unlike booting from the GBA slot.
The Opera browser for Nintendo DS will be sold as a DS card. Users simply insert the card into the Wi- Fi enabled Nintendo DS, connect to a network, and begin browsing on two screens.

Serveral rumours are floating around suggesting it will also ship with a GBA card containing extra ram for cache/bookmarks etc. However the DS carts can be up to 4GB, so a DS single cart should be fine assuming the write/read speed it ok - and this would match their PR release.
It would be impossible to build into the firmware as there just isn't enough space, or the onboard ram to do anything useful. (4MB on the DS)

Now what would be really nice is if the DS Opera browser has the functions of the PC version. I guessing mouse gestures will the main navigation controls, but I'm really hoping they include the mail and IM clients that have been part of opera since verison 7. Getting on the move mail would be awesome!

Mojo67821

Jun 13, 2006, 07:33 PM

OnceUGoMac

Jun 13, 2006, 07:42 PM

I prefer both.

Yvan256

Jun 13, 2006, 07:59 PM

From what I found on google, this was going to be on a cartridge like a game, then you can browser using the opera browser off the cartridge. is this true or a rumor?

Last time I heard it was still a planned product. You can find some information about it on Opera's website (http://www.opera.com). Problem is, they're planning a Japan-only release. But if it's anything like the Play-Yan, there won't be much Japanese to it (and some english or graphical menus).

I hope they plan a "Super DS" which incorporates the Opera browser and the Play-Yan built-in... Maybe some other basic PDA functions to round up the package too. It's all technically possible (just pack more chips/higher density chips on the pcboard) since it would only add more options in the main menu and thus keep the "Super DS" still a DS from a game point of view (can't make a "Super DS"-only game). Aside from the SD slot for the Play-Yan section, they should be able to pack it all in a DS Lite case in about 6 to 8 months. ;-)

Making the Play-Yan specs a little better to fit the DS screen size instead of the GBA screen size would be a nice bonus. But please keep it MP4/AAC and MP3 compatible (how about plain AAC music files compatible too, I mean, the movie part can play that audio data already!)

Edit: 93.18% for the DS Lite... We're on an Apple-oriented board, and it shows. ;-)

Edit 2: and by that, I mean "software before hardware".

2nyRiggz

Jun 13, 2006, 09:01 PM

I just got back into handhelds because i got real tired of the consoles plus i'm always on the move...i rather enjoy it more at home.

Bless

x86

Jun 13, 2006, 09:43 PM

I ended up selling my PSP after 2 weeks, biggest waste of money ever. Way too fragile, way to bulky... 2 things that could be forgiven if it weren't for the controls. I have relatively small hands, and I found that little analog nub thing to be the most uncomfortable game controls I've ever used. I can't even imagine someone with big or even slightly bigger than normal hands trying to use this thing. I do love the screen, but there are just too many negatives.

This is exactly my problem... I had it for a couple of weeks and was like, wow... I just wasted a lot of money just to play Outlaw Golf. I forgot the name, but after I bought the first 3D shooter that came out, I knew I had to get rid of it. 3D gaming with the little "analog" stick is impossible.

Yvan256

Jun 14, 2006, 02:30 AM

Innovation is relative. That's a fact.

Innovation itself may be relative, but let's look at the facts... The PSP brought absolutely nothing new to gaming. Nothing that had been done before (and neither did the PS2 nor the GC aside from "more buttons/controls" - that's not innovation). The DS brings dual screens and touch screen (let's forget the mic., it's been done by Nintendo on the GC).

Two innovations against zero. That's not what I call "relative".

The PSP was the first to bring internet-based gaming to the handheld masses, but most people forget that.

That's a feature, not an innovation. Internet-based gaming is at least a decade old. The fact that's it's portable doesn't equal "new innovation". Unless you work at the patents bureau.

The PSP is more than a PS2 shoehorned into a handheld mold. If that's all you're ever going to see, it's no wonder you're underwhelmed by the platform and it's games.

Why do you think the PSP is more than a portable PS2? Please explain this to everyone, because I'm really not the only one thinking PSP = portable PS2.

Then why are you causing this ruckus?

You're the one who started the ruckus... It seems you cannot see any fault with the PSP and won't accept that anyone point to the PSP's problems.

----------------------------

Now, let's get back on the topic...

Complaints: the start and select buttons seem a tad bit small and require a tad bit of force to press them down.

Nintendo should have used the same select/start button as the old DS. They wouldn't be in the way any more than the new ones. Or at least make them bigger... Those tiny buttons remind me of the ones you use to set the time on cheap clocks... We're lucky DS games don't use select/start that much... Must suck for GBA games though.

dextertangocci

Jun 14, 2006, 03:30 AM

DeSnousa

Jun 14, 2006, 04:23 AM

I think these portable gaming devices are just gimics. I had a gameboy advance when they first came out, and I only used it about once. That ds thing has such small screens (why 2 screens?) and the graphics look very crappy. The only portable gaming device I would consider considering is the psp.

I was once like you.

2 Screens, pointless.

Touch Screen, pointless.

Microphone, pointless.

Kiddy games, pointless.

But I bought it, and now I love it so much. I have not touched my console in months, the games are great. I don't even need to go on further, it's all been discussed in this thread.

MacRumorUser

Jun 14, 2006, 08:15 AM

Those percentages speak for themselves.

You dont need to say anymore.

This discussion group is probably the most contentious of all the macrumors forum with fans of systems really going at it hammer and nail with each other. But those percentage results are impossible to argue with and the consensus that is obivous in that result speaks VOLUMES.

Get a DS Lite, period.

.Andy

Jun 14, 2006, 08:47 AM

I'd not played a game since the N64. Never was really interested in the GC or that round of consoles - seemed to be more of the same to me. I followed the DS rumours and info peripherally and never really intended on buying one. Didn't sound that great on paper and gaming was something I'd grown away from.

I found myself buying one on a whim one day when I was going through a bit of a depressing time. Turns out to be the best purchase I've made lately. It also coincided with me taking up Japanese lessons and a newfound love of anime. I find myself whittling hours away and trawling for hot import games. All in all I love it. My Fiance who has never gamed in her life (and was quite vocal against computer games) also has one now, and constantly plays it. Two player tetris is our drug of choice :D!

Ninty has also scored a Wii customer in me for proving they can pull of an innovative idea. In fact I can't wait.

NewbieNerd

Jun 14, 2006, 09:22 AM

I hadn't played a DS until on Sunday when the wife just happens to see the DS Lite, plays it, and has to have it. I haven't played it a ton myself, but I must say I like it a lot more than I expected. Just like the other poster said how he didn't think he'd like the touch screen, dual screens, etc., I found that I do like them a lot.

Still, I'm getting a PSP for myself just because I feel like it has potential and I think its games will appeal to me more. I picked up a cheap copy of NBA Live 06, for instance, which I think I will love playing on a portable. I am also completely sold on the idea of downloading and playing FFVII on there when Sony starts doing that. Hopefully Sony will be able to address a lot of the issues you guys have (and possibly I'll have) with the PSP in a new version soon. I'm just going to give it a try and see how it goes.

At least the wife isn't greedy...she'll let me play her DS Lite when I want. :D

carve

Jun 14, 2006, 10:03 AM

DS Lite all the way Lite and Bright!

:)

raggedjimmi

Jun 14, 2006, 12:45 PM

madness. from seeing only a handful of DS's in public, and just 1 PSP. today I spotted 5 DS Lites all in separate places! Seems to me people felt shy with the DS fat but it's cool now. what with importing Lites. Stranger still it was a cold day in town!

yellow

Jun 14, 2006, 12:48 PM

I can't believe there are so many DS Lite users.
I find it to be such an ugly little monster. Meh, no accounting for taste, right? :)

Haoshiro

Jun 14, 2006, 12:55 PM

I can't believe there are so many DS Lite users.
I find it to be such an ugly little monster. Meh, no accounting for taste, right? :)

Perhaps you are thinking of the original DS, not the DS Lite which almost seems Apple-designed. *shrugs*

Haoshiro

Jun 14, 2006, 03:25 PM

What the heck? I started this thread and it's now saying "AppleGuy08" started it... ???

yellow

Jun 14, 2006, 03:26 PM

Perhaps you are thinking of the original DS, not the DS Lite which almost seems Apple-designed. *shrugs*

http://cnet.com.au/i/r/2006/Games/portable/22055600/nintendo_ds_lite_b.jpg

Ah nope.. Ugly little retangular white thing that looks like a checkbook. Less is more, apparently.

NewbieNerd

Jun 14, 2006, 03:32 PM

Ah nope.. Ugly little retangular white thing that looks like a checkbook. Less is more, apparently.

Wow. I can't believe a MacRumors veteran like yourself can say such a thing! I bet the DS Lite: Sexy vs. Ugly debate is even more one-sided around here than the DS vs PSP debate! :eek:

Doctor Q

Jun 14, 2006, 03:33 PM

What the heck? I started this thread and it's now saying "AppleGuy08" started it... ???You each had a thread, on similar topics, so a moderator merged the two threads sometime yesterday.

srobert

Jun 14, 2006, 03:34 PM

I can't believe there are so many DS Lite users.
I find it to be such an ugly little monster. Meh, no accounting for taste, right? :)

What would you know about taste…

*srobert clicks on Yellow's view profile* *srobert looks at picture*.

Now that's what I call good taste. ;)

Just joking. :D

But seriously, it's is widely agreed that the DS lite looks good. It's a question of taste so there will always be people disgagreeing. Name the piece of hardware you find the most beautiful and I can gareantee that some people think it's ugly. About your statement of not believing why there are so many DS lite user, I don't think most of us bought it only for its looks. It has other value beside the ornamental value.

yellow

Jun 14, 2006, 03:37 PM

Wow. I can't believe a MacRumors veteran like yourself can say such a thing! I bet the DS Lite: Sexy vs. Ugly debate is even more one-sided around here than the DS vs PSP debate! :eek:

As I said, there's no accounting for taste.

Personally, I find the DSLite devoid of any personality. White. Box. Minimalist. It's like an 80s throwback, which might be fancypants for the kids out there, but for me (who was a teenager in the 80s), I have no such illusions or interests in heading back to that design era.

Hopefully Sony will repackage the PSP in a little gray box and slap some orange, yellow, and brown racing strips on it and the kids will all go gaga!

:cool:

I don't htink most of us bought it only for its looks. It has other value beside the ornamental value.

Certainly not. But apparently I'm the only one that is finished with Mario Bros. Et al. :)

slick316

Jun 14, 2006, 04:13 PM

I used to have a PSP, got a launch system last year, just sold it a month ago, wasn't playing it enough (bought a few games, but didn't like the other choices out there, game selection was low for my likings).
PSP is a nice piece of hardware. The large widescreen display is beautiful and incredibly nice for watching movies on. I didn't like the position of the analog thumb stick, it was too low and not comfortable to use. Game load times were a little high, but its too be expected considering the media used (UMD). The built in speakers weren't loud enough in my opinion (especially when playing a movie). Battery life was good in my opinion, I averaged 4-5 hours with half brightness and no Wi-Fi. The PSP is a good, all in one machine, but I never needed it for movies or music, and since the games lacked, the PSP wasn't for me. I didn't really want a portable system with games that are in depth, I'll buy those games for the X360. For my portable, I want games I can play quickly on the go, like simple puzzle games, or card games, etc. The DS seems to have more of those.
I just picked up a DS Lite today, got the New Super Mario Brothers, I love the fact that its side scrolling like in the old days, but its an all new adventure, with a bunch of new features (and those mini games rock). $129 for the DS is well worth it. Games load quick, touch screen operation adds something different to games, nice size with simple design, I just love it.
Both are good systems, no one is better than the other, its all preference. My preference is DS right now :)

atari1356

Jun 14, 2006, 04:36 PM

Personally, I find the DSLite devoid of any personality. White. Box. Minimalist. It's like an 80s throwback, which might be fancypants for the kids out there, but for me (who was a teenager in the 80s), I have no such illusions or interests in heading back to that design era.

I haven't seen one in person yet, but from pictures of it I think the DS Lite looks cool when opened - something about the curvy bevel around the lower screen.... but, yeah, when it's closed it's kinda boxy and plain looking.

slick316

Jun 14, 2006, 04:40 PM

Hmmm...I dunno, looks like an iBook to me when closed ;)

I wish they brought out the different colors in the US (I bet they will, during the holiday season), the white does look plain, the navy blue would have been nice.

srobert

Jun 14, 2006, 04:46 PM

something about the curvy bevel around the lower screen

That clamshell beveled screens design is very smart design.

Basically, the convex beveled screen embeds itself in the concave beveled screen when you close the lid, making it almost impossible for something to slide it between and scratch the screens when the DS is closed. Very rugged little piece of hardware.

thequicksilver

Jun 14, 2006, 05:16 PM

Both systems have their merits. For me, it was always going to be the PSP that caught my attention. Simply because it is basically a portable PS2, it's like the time when I got my first laptop. Because it's portable, not only can I play it when on the road, but I can also sit in bed and play a game, have a bash while cooking, whatever. The portability factor is huge.

Given that my favourite game series over the past decade have been Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Championship/Football Manager, and Pro Evolution Soccer, this was another reason why the PSP was the better choice for me.

It's by no means perfect - the battery life could do with being better, the speakers are pretty puny, and I wish it took the far cheaper SD cards - but as far as I'm concerned it's not a straightforward choice. While a very credible machine, for the type of gamer I am, the DS doesn't offer all of the previously mentioned games that I want. The DS is for those who literally want a true handheld system away from their main console, whereas I feel the PSP is a real full-featured "traditional" console on its own, with all the benefits (graphics, controls, tonnes of extra features like video, photos etc) and detractions (loading time, fast processor which means short battery life etc).

They aren't pitched at the same kind of person IMO. Most people are going to have a preference for whatever reason, and with the caveats outlined above, my preference is certainly the PSP.

raggedjimmi

Jun 14, 2006, 05:33 PM

well a huge relief. I just got my PSP sold! And I haven't felt as happy in weeks. I could do with the money for a new HDD (a WHOPPER for £200!) or a DS Lite, though I don't know if I want one now. smiles.

what I hated about the PSP before owning one (theory) -
-battery life
-disc based portable system
-bad BAD memory cards
-size and weight

what I got excited about enough to buy one -
-emulators
-affordable

what I was dissapointed with when bought -
-speakers
-screen
-controls (basically all the input and output methods)
-everything I worried about with the theory ^
-memory card, games etc... all works out so much more in the end.
-graphics. they weren't be-all end-all after all.
-actual PSP games did NOT apply to me. The Burnout game was the best PSP game I played. yet. I was missing the Xbox version whilst playing.
-all the time I kept wondering what better things I could spend my £200 on. namely a WII and multiple games when launched. that sorta destroyed the PSP for me.

Yvan256

Jun 15, 2006, 10:18 AM

That clamshell beveled screens design is very smart design.

Basically, the convex beveled screen embeds itself in the concave beveled screen when you close the lid, making it almost impossible for something to slide it between and scratch the screens when the DS is closed. Very rugged little piece of hardware.

If you look closely, the top screen isn't concave. The two screens seem to fit flat on each other. The fact that the bottom screen is convex is to let the top half of the DS Lite "flat" (speakers, screen) and to clear the height of the D-pad and buttons.

The two things that bug me about the DS Lite:
- the start/select buttons are way too small (and those buttons shouldn't "click")
- the leds are hard to comprehend... What's the left one? What's the right one?

And am I the only one who have a hard time seeing if the right one is green or yellow? I'd rather have 3 or 4 tiny leds for power, like a PowerBook battery: 25%, 50%, 75%, 100% charge.

askthedust

Jun 15, 2006, 10:48 AM

i am a psp guy because of the wifi updates that add features like aac playback and because i knew the flash card will eventually make it worth having once the price drops and the storage increases. right now 2 gig cards are under a hundred bucks. I never bought a ps2 because i was waiting for the xbox to come out. glad i did. I still think that sony should start a game download store similar to itunes. keep all your games on the psp. that would of been the smartest idea and the best way to have features that an ipod doesn't have at the moment. as for sound from either unit i always use headphones for the game experience, not sure who has great expectations for a handheld audio experience....

DavidLeblond

Jun 15, 2006, 10:52 AM

I oughta throw in my two cents. As always, I haven't read all 4 pages of posts because I don't have the time. Anyway, for starters I bought a DS basically for the franchises. But to look at the hardware:

I'm an adult now, I don't have the kind of time I use to for gaming (well its not that I'm an adult, its that I'm married. If I were a single adult I'd probably have loads of time.) I've never actually PLAYED a PSP. Every time I see one at Best Buy and I try to play it I spend 5 minutes at loading screens and by that time my "gaming window" has passed.

I play my new DS (just got it yesterday) basically one level at a time. I open it up, my game is there (thank you clamshell mode!), I play a level, close it and continue what I was doing. This works for me. I don't have time for loading screens, thats just the way it is. Having such obsene loading times on a PORTABLE gaming system is, in my opinion, completely unreasonable. If the DS took that long to get into the game, I would not have gotten it. I don't care if they had the most mindblowingly awesome mario game or whatever. I don't have 5 minutes to wait for it to start up.

yellow

Jun 15, 2006, 10:55 AM

I don't have 5 minutes to wait for it to start up.

Turn off the power on a PSP, when you poweer it on, you're exactly where you stopped.

Yvan256

Jun 15, 2006, 10:58 AM

Turn off the power on a PSP, when you poweer it on, you're exactly where you stopped.

Unless you want to play another game. It's nice to know the PSP also have a "sleep" feature, but the basic problem remains (slow loading).

DavidLeblond

Jun 15, 2006, 11:02 AM

Turn off the power on a PSP, when you poweer it on, you're exactly where you stopped.

I stand corrected in that regard. Like I said, I've been too impatient to spend a lot of time with the system.

But really, any game with crazy load times is a turn off to me. I went to a local gaming cafe to try the newest GTA (SA). By the time I actually got to play the game, my wife had finished her shopping and we went home. If that game were on a Gamecube I'd probably have finished the first mission.

raggedjimmi

Jun 15, 2006, 11:10 AM

ah the PSP's sleep is IMO, the best feature there. It's brilliant. though I have huge problems with that power slider. ok, so I'm in keylock. oops! I just turned it off/sleep trying to take keylock off!

Whats the power usage on both devices in sleep? I've rarely left my DS in sleep but if the power usage is so minimal then I'll be doing it a lot more.

2nyRiggz

Jun 15, 2006, 11:17 AM

raggedjimmi

Jun 15, 2006, 11:29 AM

I never took advantage of the PSP or DS(closing it whiles its on) sleep feature...I just turn the thing off. I'm feeling your pain with the loading times but some games are better than others....congrats to the DS for doing the best thing for handhelds.

the clamshell on the DS is great even though the Logitech playgear does the same but it adds bulk to the PSP....over all the DS has a better design with the Lite.

Bless

Logitech Playgear! haha. mate of mine has that. it's so huge. before I even saw a PSP in real life I saw that and asked "I take it your stocked up with games in there?". huge and heavy. probably good for some folk but I like my handhelds small and uber-portable.

mark!

Jun 15, 2006, 01:42 PM

wasnt this thread up to 7 pages....and wasnt the first guy that posted (the one that started the original thread) a different person?

:confused: :confused:

Yvan256

Jun 15, 2006, 01:48 PM

wasnt this thread up to 7 pages....and wasnt the first guy that posted (the one that started the original thread) a different person?

:confused: :confused:

I think that two threads got merged. Then again, if they got merged, the new one should have more than seven pages.

NewbieNerd

Jun 15, 2006, 01:51 PM

I think that two threads got merged. Then again, if they got merged, the new one should have more than seven pages.
Unless of course the other thread was -3 pages. . . :confused:

JDOG_

Jun 15, 2006, 02:10 PM

The two things that bug me about the DS Lite:
- the start/select buttons are way too small (and those buttons shouldn't "click")
- the leds are hard to comprehend... What's the left one? What's the right one?

And am I the only one who have a hard time seeing if the right one is green or yellow? I'd rather have 3 or 4 tiny leds for power, like a PowerBook battery: 25%, 50%, 75%, 100% charge.

It's actually pretty simple to understand, but I totally agree with you on the green, yellow thing...there couldn't be two harder to differentiate colors for the average (albeit colorblind) joe...well maybe composite cables when you're in the dark. I would have preferred blue (for healthy) and red (for dying), as green LEDs are so 1998.

Anyways, to help explain what the lights mean, it's pretty basic:

http://images16.fotki.com/v316/photos/1/115471/2865848/DS_power_indicators-vi.jpg

Also you can always see a visual representation of the battery meter (a la the iPod) in the top right of the menu screen when you turn on your DS (assuming you have it set to "boot to dash" as it were). Also the left LED is only active when you've got it charging and glows amber until the system is charged (then it turns off).

The manual is your friend :p

Yvan256

Jun 15, 2006, 02:19 PM

Also you can always see a visual representation of the battery meter (a la the iPod) in the top right of the menu screen when you turn on your DS (assuming you have it set to "boot to dash" as it were). Also the left LED is only active when you've got it charging and glows amber until the system is charged (then it turns off).

The manual is your friend :p

Thanks for the menu/battery indicator tip... It's so small I never really noticed it.

As for the "manual"... I never read those things. I guess it would've helped in this case. :D

NewbieNerd

Jun 15, 2006, 02:47 PM

As for the "manual"... I never read those things. I guess it would've helped in this case. :D

Same here. I need to look up what it says about recharging the battery, whether we should always run the DS down to low battery before charging, just do that periodically, or it doesn't matter at all. I need to get some protection for the touch screen too, especially now that I am doing the Brain Age everyday. :)

JDOG_

Jun 15, 2006, 03:01 PM

Same here. I need to look up what it says about recharging the battery, whether we should always run the DS down to low battery before charging, just do that periodically, or it doesn't matter at all. I need to get some protection for the touch screen too, especially now that I am doing the Brain Age everyday. :)

As with any Li-ion battery these days there are a certain amount of charge cycles and charging when you don't have to will take one of those "half" charges away from the total amount. Apple has a pretty user-friendly explanation (http://www.apple.com/batteries/) on how this whole thing works...Don't forget you can also pick up DS lite replacement batteries on the cheap and they're user replacable :D

Also regarding the touch screen--screen protection isn't really an issue with the DS lite. It seals up really well, and if you don't have a bunch of stuff on the screen for the stylus to drag over you shouldn't have any scratching issues. However, if you have any kind of scratching inside your first year Nintendo will replace your unit at no charge. They also have a zero-pixel policy, so you should call them if you have a dead pixel and can't live with it either. :cool:

mark!

Jun 15, 2006, 03:27 PM

I wish Apple had a pixel policy like that!
(but then again, the screens are a lot bigger).

I'm glad nintendo is taking care of stuff like that though.

yellow

Jun 15, 2006, 04:03 PM

I do have a dead pixel on my PSP. Right out of the box. But it doesn't really bug me that much.

lem0n

Jun 15, 2006, 04:35 PM

I have both systems [boyfriend a PSP nut and bestfriend a Nintendo nut] and I prefer the DS. I think the DS has more innovative game play and not just how many button combos can you hit in 10 seconds. DS games are also more fun and enjoyable [at leas the ones that I play :P] and PSP games are more competitive with its sport titles [my hands sweat profusely when I play Mercury :eek:]. The PSP nub is also annoying because it's so low and you have to clean it all the time because the texture attracts more dirts [the back too... white PSP are so high maintenance :rolleyes: ] the DS seems to attract less grime though [but I clean it with the PSP every time anyway] I think it's the unique controls that make the DS, even though I am looking forward to LocoRoco on the PSP, it only use L or R button along with O... and looking super cute, only several day until it's out in Europe... :D

mark!

Jun 15, 2006, 04:42 PM

The thing I like is the DS has games like no other Nintendo (and obviously Sony, xbox, etc). The PSP has games like the other PlayStations, and not much of the new stuff (or it seems). The PSP has nice features and stuff, but from what I hear the games suck. Everyone I know doesn't keep their PSP, they have just sold it. I am glad I didn't buy one, I almost did. I am gonn get the DS lite as soon...as they're back in stock. But what other (software) features does the DS lite have (besides playing games...obviously)?

raggedjimmi

Jun 15, 2006, 05:00 PM

^yup.

a little run down of games;

Street Fighter Alpha - NOT widescreen. it's 4:3 stretched. which doesn't count in my books. it's a bloody pain to look at. Give me the Dreamcast version anyday.

Wipeout - I was expecting something with a decent level of control. I remember playing the old Wipeout and didn't think it was slippy, yet this got WORSE. unlike F-Zero where control got tighter with each game. Very dull, very very boring.

GTA - No. The graphics were unplayably bad, and with my Xbox sat just over there with custom soundtracks I just went there instead. Sorry.

Burnout - my fave PSP game. but so pointless. sub-par compared to the Xbox version. feeble.

Tony Hawk - I looked forward to this a lot. But where the DS version plays well, this is doesn't. It's so awkward. not enjoyable at all.

Lumines - Was alright. but Tetris DS is out...

Sure there were a couple more. but nothing held me at all. games I borrowed (some Need For Speed and Mortal Kombat thing etc.) were so lackluster it was untrue. I don't know who these games go for when there are bigger and better console versions out, and if you're spending £200 to play portable GTA and Burnout, you might as well get the Xbox versions instead which play oooh-so much better.
Device that should not be.

Philberttheduck

Jun 15, 2006, 05:13 PM

zelmo

Jun 15, 2006, 05:19 PM

I have a PSP (12 games) and a red DS (8 games). I love them both. I play the PSP almost twice as often as the DS, so I voted PSP.

They are both great handhelds, though. To each his own.

The screen on the DS Lite is sweet, but I think the system is just as ugly as the DS.

PSP - 6-8 hours/week
DS - 3-4 hours/week
Original Gameboy w/Tetris cart - 1 hour/week (it's in the bathroom. TMI?:p )

yellow

Jun 15, 2006, 05:23 PM

Original Gameboy w/Tetris cart - 1 hour/week (it's in the bathroom. TMI?:p )

Possibly.. though I did have an odd thought about strangely shaped "logs" fitting into each other as they "fall" from "above".

raggedjimmi

Jun 15, 2006, 05:44 PM

PSP is too badass. Granted their games aren't as "fanboy" for you nintendo nerds, I like badass graphics. I'm not into comic/cartoon-y games. NBA STREET SHOWDOWN, NBA LIVE, etc. are too good of gfx for Nintendo.

"Games aren't as "fanboy""... what does that even mean :confused: not into comicy games? I'll just say - you are really missing out. and I pity you for that :o

zap2

Jun 15, 2006, 05:49 PM

PSP is too badass. I like badass graphics

Graphics which are on par with PS1, not really that "bad ass" Perhaps you and Jobs should write a book about how bitchn' and badass the MacBook Pro and PSP are!;)

mark!

Jun 15, 2006, 06:03 PM

PSP is too badass. Granted their games aren't as "fanboy" for you nintendo nerds, I like badass graphics. I'm not into comic/cartoon-y games. NBA STREET SHOWDOWN, NBA LIVE, etc. are too good of gfx for Nintendo.

Well aren't you a pure badass*! Your all up in the NBA & stuff makin that money :rolleyes:

I would rather be playing basketball outside than in a stupid game, which is a lot of the reason why I don't like the PSP, most of the games are sports or racing.

I like Nintendo (not a fanboy...?) games because that's what games are really are, just things you play when you are bored...'cause they're fun. I'm not gonna play some NFL **** on the PSP, just go play football outside!

[*more like lazyass.]

EDIT: & of course the PSP has better graphics...its a lot more expensive, and so are the games.

hellodon

Jun 16, 2006, 01:04 AM

PSP is so boring. I bought one, seemed SOOOO cool until you want to play a game on it. There arent any worth playing. I sold it, bought a DS again, tons of fun games on it. I now have a DS lite and it rules.

PSP needs to step it up. for such a cool "gadget" they are really lacking in the fun department.

homebrew is cool, a portable SNES is fun but that's not really what it should be about...especially since Sony is so against it that the firmware is updated to not allow you to do the stuff that makes it worth having.

Torajima

Jun 16, 2006, 07:57 AM

homebrew is cool, a portable SNES is fun but that's not really what it should be about...especially since Sony is so against it that the firmware is updated to not allow you to do the stuff that makes it worth having.

That's another reason I didn't buy the PSP... Sony intentionally trying to stop all the cool homebrew stuff. I can understand them wanting to stop bootleg games from playing, but if folks want to run homebrew software our Linux, let 'em.

Haoshiro

Jun 16, 2006, 07:59 AM

That's another reason I didn't buy the PSP... Sony intentionally trying to stop all the cool homebrew stuff. I can understand them wanting to stop bootleg games from playing, but if folks want to run homebrew software our Linux, let 'em.

I imagine it's just easier to prevent users running their own code altogether, otherwise they'd never be able to prevent bootleg and hacking.

bokdol

Jun 16, 2006, 11:05 AM

Graphics which are on par with PS1

i have played the psp, while not super awesome graphics, i have to say they are much better then ps1. i have not seen any ps1 game that looks as good. the nintendo ds is closer to ps1.

now game quality of the psp is more like that of the ps1. compared to inovated games of the ds. thats why the ds rocks so much. i got my ds because it's just fun to play. i have my ps2 for games that are like the ones on the psp.

BubbaJones

Jun 16, 2006, 12:01 PM

Plus it has no movie capability, no music, no internet browser, hard to have any upgrades or peripherals. .

Movie & music http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/589/589659p1.html

Internet Browser http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/15/ds-to-get-tv-tuner-opera-based-browser/

And you don't need to upgrade a system that has been well designed/tested.

thequicksilver

Jun 16, 2006, 12:54 PM

Not wishing to pick on you, but your rationale for disliking these games seems to be very much one of personal opinion which doesn't match most, and on occasions your reasoning is downright bizarre. With the exception of Streetfighter and Tony Hawk, which I have no experience with:

Wipeout - I was expecting something with a decent level of control. I remember playing the old Wipeout and didn't think it was slippy, yet this got WORSE. unlike F-Zero where control got tighter with each game. Very dull, very very boring.

It's the absolute perfect progression of all the other Wipeout games, and most fans of the series consider this to be right up there with 2097. Having owned every single Wipeout game ever made (it's my favourite game series, and even own the obscure Wipeout Special Edition, bought an N64 second hand just to get Wipeout 64, and even tolerated the spectacularly unimpressive Wipeout Fusion) I absolutely guarantee you that Pure is not "slippy". It's a perfect blend of 2097 and Wipeout 3, probably the last two versions which really attracted new fans to the franchise.

What I would suggest here is that you didn't research the game well enough before purchase.

GTA - No. The graphics were unplayably bad, and with my Xbox sat just over there with custom soundtracks I just went there instead. Sorry.

Fair enough, I can understand that feeling. So, again, is this not a case of not researching your purchase, rather than the game being bad?

Burnout - my fave PSP game. but so pointless. sub-par compared to the Xbox version. feeble.

A handheld version of a "big" console game isn't as gripping in the handheld incarnation. What on earth else were you expecting?

Lumines - Was alright. but Tetris DS is out...

Tetris is my favourite game ever. Lumines is a good game in its own right though. That's just opinion though, and of course you're entitled to yours.

To move on, if I recall your posts correctly, you kept your PSP for two weeks. It seems a bit extreme to dismiss it so viciously it in such a short time, and as I said above, it seems from the outside like you simply didn't research your purchase properly.

you might as well get the Xbox versions instead which play oooh-so much better.

This is one of the most silly arguments about a handheld I've ever heard. If you only want to game at home, for sure an Xbox/PS2/GC/whatever is a better buy, but I think most handheld buyers will have worked this out before they make their purchase.

In short, I don't take issue with your disliking the PSP - even though, as I state in my earlier post, I don't agree - I take issue with the methods you've used to dismiss it.

2nyRiggz

Jun 16, 2006, 12:59 PM

^yup.
Lumines - Was alright. but Tetris DS is out...

Lumines blows tetris DS out of the water....Tetris DS sucks. I see nothing wrong with the PSP except the refresh rate on the screen and SOME of the games are below standards....I don't mind Good ports...they just got to get with it and make the games.

Bless

GFLPraxis

Jun 16, 2006, 02:46 PM

Lumines blows tetris DS out of the water....Tetris DS sucks. I see nothing wrong with the PSP except the refresh rate on the screen and SOME of the games are below standards....I don't mind Good ports...they just got to get with it and make the games.

Bless

Tetris DS is the greatest thing ever. 4 player online play and 10 player local multiplayer. I thought it would suck, until I was stuck in a three hour line at E3 waiting for the Wii and popped open my DS and joined seven other people in line for a massive eight player Tetris DS bashfest.

I bought the game shortly thereafter :)

The online play keeps it going for ages.

MacRumorUser

Jun 16, 2006, 03:15 PM

I think Lumines is the best game on the PSP period. Only game I've played regularly on my Jap PSP I've had since it's japanese launch.

I think Tetris DS is amazing and just as good as Lumines.
BUT here's the rub. Tetris DS isnt the best game on the NDS.

Hence DS get's my vote EVERYTIME.

ChrisK018

Jun 16, 2006, 04:36 PM

As far as one-player puzzle games go, I prefer Lumines, but once I reached the point where it becomes impossibly fast it plateaus just like Tetris. BUT, the multi player on Tetris DS brings another dimension.

Beyond puzzle games I agree with MacRumorsUser: DS has a bunch of better games, with more on the way. I have both hand-helds, and have more bought and enjoyed way more DS games.

raggedjimmi

Jun 16, 2006, 05:36 PM

This is one of the most silly arguments about a handheld I've ever heard. If you only want to game at home, for sure an Xbox/PS2/GC/whatever is a better buy, but I think most handheld buyers will have worked this out before they make their purchase.

In short, I don't take issue with your disliking the PSP - even though, as I state in my earlier post, I don't agree - I take issue with the methods you've used to dismiss it.

Maybe I've been a Nintendo player too long, but their games followed a chronological progression. Take the Mario Kart series. each game got better and better. Mario Kart DS being regarded as THE MK game now.
Metroid? same. Mario? yup.
Its like the PSP really does just do watered down versions, where Nintendo try in some way or another make each game better than what came before it - regardless of which console/handheld it was on. I was just expecting the PSP to do something similar. but rather they removed the juicy filling in most cases.

Another game I forgot...

Lemmings - should not exist on a system without either a touchscreen or a mouse. The Lemmings "hello world" demo on my Pocket PC gave me a glimpse at what Lemmings could be like on the DS. Lemmings Gameboy gave me an insight into Lemmings PSP. :(

Obsidian6

Jun 16, 2006, 06:58 PM

I personally own a PSP, i got it right at release for a ridiculously cheap price ( thanks to a friend with an employee discount )

I really like the system and i find it very impressive. But i HATE the loading times. it drives me up the wall. paying outrageous sums of money for the games and movies is just stupid.

I may just sell it and go to the DS ( or DS lite ) i dont care if the games are "childish" i hear all day long about how fun they are. and that is the point of the thing isnt it?

now i will say, there are a few games on PSP that are just a blast to play ( such as Syphon Filter, GTA, SOCOM, and XMEN legends II [except for the god-awful loading times] ) and i really enjoy playing those games in particular. But im looking for a portable system that has great battery life, and lots of games to play ( i had tons of GBA games ( packed away somewhere ) ) so there goes instant replayability.

im not really sold either way, i just happen to own a PSP lol

AppleGuy08

Jun 23, 2006, 01:56 AM

Woah...i never made this thread yet it is under my name...this is so weird.

JackSYi

Jun 23, 2006, 05:12 AM

I like the PSP, but the size of it makes it inconvenient to carry around. I like the fact that the DS plays both DS and GBA games and is very portable.

MacRumorUser

Jun 23, 2006, 06:28 AM

Dunepilot

Jun 23, 2006, 06:28 AM

I have a tendency to be very late to the party with all consoles, waiting until their prices have dropped off and the games have become plentiful. I've often felt that there's little point in being an early adopter, and therefore don't have a DS or a PSP yet. God knows, I only bought a GBA SP quite recently :D

However, the release of the DS Lite has piqued my interest, which is why I'm reading this thread. For a potential buyer, the size advantage over the PSP is likely to make the real difference for me. I wouldn't buy a PSP because I know full well I'd never carry something of that size with me.

Edit: However, they are giving away PSPs/iPod Nanos/17" TFT TVs with mobile phone contracts at the Link at the moment. That will certainly drive up PSP penetration if it's flagging at the moment!

celebrian23

Jun 23, 2006, 10:36 AM

I prefer the ds lite. I've never been a sony fan, but I'm pretty loyal to nintendo. In the end, it comes down to games. I just prefer the quality of ds games.

macdaddy121

Jun 23, 2006, 10:48 AM

Is there anyway to get the darker DS Lite in the United States? Or is the white the only color option we have?

Thanks

Vader

Jun 23, 2006, 10:58 AM

I have a PSP, but the DS lite looks amazing, so who knows, I might get one of them.

bennettski

Jun 23, 2006, 03:12 PM

nuff said, linked pro evo on psp is a beautiful game to play.

iShane

Jun 23, 2006, 03:16 PM

I'm thinking that we will get the Ice Blue and the darker blue later that they have in Japan later in the year. I really like ice blue.

2nyRiggz

Jun 23, 2006, 04:34 PM

Just got my white DS lite, really classy

BLACK shoes finger marks really badly. REALLY BADLY.

Also just got the best game on the psp EVER 'loco rocco' esentially a nintendoesque experience on the psp...

What with GRAW on 360 content to play, I'm in Gaming nirvana at the moment

Where did you get loco rocco!!....don't leave your house man!! *waits outside with shotgun*;)

Seriously..where did you get it from....so far no game on the NDS or PSP compares to loco rocco..

I played my tetris DS twice...its freaking boring to me, lumines anyday.

Bless

raggedjimmi

Jun 23, 2006, 04:49 PM

nuff said, linked pro evo on psp is a beautiful game to play.

Oh sorry. I'll go sell my DS and PSP and rebuy a PSP with Pro Evo.

sorry. I like opinions. but I get tired of "X game, nuff said" because it really isn't enough said.

On a really good note, I think I've managed to sell my PSP! YAWOO! Got an email off a guy earlier today, saying he lives in the next town over and wanted to know if he could come and pick it up and pay cash. I was :eek: . I can't wait! He sounded so excited. as excited as I am! No more PSP worries! Now! ONWARDS TO MY DS LITE! chop chop!

Loco Roco is out in the UK I think.

MacRumorUser

Jun 23, 2006, 05:01 PM

Where did you get loco rocco!!....don't leave your house man!! *waits outside with shotgun*;)

Seriously..where did you get it from....so far no game on the NDS or PSP compares to loco rocco..

I played my tetris DS twice...its freaking boring to me, lumines anyday.

Bless

Gamestop Co.Kerry has loads of them :p Its beautiful, only thing to make it better would have been proper motion sensor, hopefully next version. Best game on psp (well along side Lumines)

I got the store to show me the black DS and white DS. Black looks better straight out of the box. As soon as you put 1 finger print on it, it gets grubby. I'm too fussy and would spend 90 % of the time cleaning the thing rather than playing, so I went for white. The black should hve been matte like the macbook (or like it is inside) rather than gloss.

raggedjimmi

Jun 23, 2006, 06:43 PM

Yup, same reasoning here. The Black is purdy but a dirt magnet. I take meticulous care of my gadgets and the dirt would put me off going at the DS full pelt. So White here. Plus it'll go with my ROKR. and they're about £30 cheaper on eBay!

sorry. I'm still rolling in excitement that I finally got my PSP sold! I probably should keep away from the internet in my state of excitement.

MacRumorUser

Jun 23, 2006, 07:07 PM

sorry. I'm still rolling in excitement that I finally got my PSP sold! I probably should keep away from the internet in my state of excitement.

You sold it :eek: Well done :D Did you get as much as you wanted for it?

2nyRiggz

Jun 23, 2006, 08:24 PM

Damn i have to wait until september for it to come to the U.S...that sucks man!:mad:

The White Ds lite is good enough for me...i think it looks the best out of all the colors..

Bless

medea

Jun 23, 2006, 08:31 PM

raggedjimmi

Jun 23, 2006, 08:35 PM

You sold it :eek: Well done :D Did you get as much as you wanted for it?

210 :) he's coming to pick it up tomorrow so yea. I'm happy. but that £10 profit makes up for the fraud buyers costing me the listing fee :o still £200 up in my gaming pocket. think it's time I properly kitted my DS out with a fancy bag and that. does anyone know if the Apple stickers will fit on the DS Lite? I've squoze one onto my SP with plenty of love and a bit of a nip here and there with a scalpel. Linky dinky rawr. (http://satansam.co.uk/blog/photo/index.php?display=Photography%2Fspbig.jpg) Micro for the sake of it. (http://satansam.co.uk/blog/photo/index.php?display=Photography%2FMicro.jpg)

raggedjimmi

Jun 23, 2006, 08:37 PM

I love racing games, especially Burnout, so the PSP is where it is for me. I also enjoy Smackdown vs. Raw and Fightnight as well as Katamari. The only game that intrigues me so far on the DS is Brain Age which I very well might buy a DS Lite just to play. And maybe Mario Kart, they have that for the DS right?
Will there be DS/Wii interaction?

on the ball man! the forums are full of these topics :eek: but meh. Yes there is connectivity between the Wii and DS. I don't think much has been announced other than "it connects wirelessly". Some folk predict you can download Virtual Console game on the to DS. You can definitely download demo's too.
And yes. Mario Kart DS is out on the DS.

AppleGuy08

Jun 23, 2006, 09:49 PM

Movie & music http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/589/589659p1.html

Internet Browser http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/15/ds-to-get-tv-tuner-opera-based-browser/

And you don't need to upgrade a system that has been well designed/tested.

Internet browser....doesnt have it yet.
Movies and music...too bad you have to buy a big clunky cartridge to have it.

edit: Oh and plus its not a matter of how well or how poorly the firmware was designed/tested. along with the security updates they send out, sony occasionally puts some major upgrades in the firmware eg: macromedia flash player for the internet browser, and the internet browser itself. Plus RSS feeds, location free player. stuff like that. Ill admit the games for the psp aernt all that great so far.

the ones i have are hot shots golf (probably the best of my collection for psp) twisted metal (great online interface) ridge racer, metal gear acid (boring) wipeout pure (pretty fun) atv off road fury, socom FTB and lumines (addicting but annoying)

I think ive had a change of mind about the DS though after reading all these threads. I remember how fun rampage and super mario was on the gameboys, so i think when i get paid this coming friday ill zip out and buy a DS lite. And why not? It goes great w. my ibook!

mark!

Jun 23, 2006, 09:54 PM

Internet browser....doesnt have it yet.
Movies and music...too bad you have to buy a big clunky cartridge to have it.

Oh and plus: besides the security updates they send out, sony occasionally puts some major upgrades in the firmware eg: macromedia flash player for the internet browser, and the internet browser itself. Plus RSS feeds and location free tv player.

Big clunky cartridge, big clunky system that doesnt fit in my pocket...
hmmmmmmmm.

AppleGuy08

Jun 23, 2006, 09:57 PM

Big clunky cartridge, big clunky system that doesnt fit in my pocket...
hmmmmmmmm.

marrrk...read above, i edited lol.

raggedjimmi

Jun 23, 2006, 10:03 PM

Big clunky cartridge, big clunky system that doesnt fit in my pocket...
hmmmmmmmm.

Aye. It's the whole "get what you pay for" situation again. A fully kitted out 360 will cost the same as the premium PS3 (next gen video player, wifi and that). But. if you don't need them for the 360 then you don't have to pay for them. Just like I would look at buying a PS3 IF the silly-drive wasn't compulsory. a £100 drop right there.

ah well! I've played with the PSP's little multimedia services and I wasn't impressed. The music was terrible, thanks to the PSP's bad speakers (been spoilt with the ROKR). The video was a nightmare to get onto the Memory card and work. Web Browser? I only had an emulated version 2 firmware but it was hard to type, screen too small (probably with DS as well, spoilt on 1680*1050 monitors), more a chore than an enjoyable experience - buy a Pocket PC for better browsing.

Maybe it was me. but the so called multimedia features on the PSP were simply bad. I can't insert MMC/SD or CF cards into the PSP? Well bye bye the vast majority of the camera market who DON'T use Sony cameras. What a stupid design flaw for a multimedia system.

mark!

Jun 23, 2006, 10:37 PM

about the web browser for PSP, the one on ds will be easier to use since it uses a touch screen, and you can use an on screen keyboard and itd be hecka easier. and such. eh whatever psp costs more than a wii.

raggedjimmi

Jun 24, 2006, 06:01 AM

I know, it's pretty unbelievable. everyone is "aww, $30 for a web browser, nentindo suxxors!" when it isn't a firmware download, but an actual cartridge (2 I think, a GBA memory expansion pack is included). AND it's just $30. £16 in my money. A DS Lite + Web Browser is still massively cheaper than any PSP pack.

Haoshiro

Jun 24, 2006, 08:37 AM

2nyRiggz

Jun 24, 2006, 11:49 AM

Why are people complaining about "bulky cartridges"??

DS cards are about a 1.25in (31mm) square (not exact). If it's the memory expansion cart, well I'm sure you can put it in and leave it in provided it doesn't stick out like GBA carts do. You might not even NEED the expansion unless you need to save.

Perhaps other people are in the habit of carrying around there system with only one game already in, but I prefer a small case that lets me bring along at least 3 games... I really don't see how a small Opera card is going to be hard to carry around, lol.

Just like how they are crying about the PSP being bulky when the DS lite is the same size not length. Who wants to carry around a card just to go on the net?....take the card out to play and back out again..People like me don't have time to be taking out cards on a train thats shaking and armpits in your face....so I'm not too excited about it.

Bless

NewbieNerd

Jun 24, 2006, 02:59 PM

Haoshiro

Jun 24, 2006, 03:04 PM

Just like how they are crying about the PSP being bulky when the DS lite is the same size not length. Who wants to carry around a card just to go on the net?....take the card out to play and back out again..People like me don't have time to be taking out cards on a train thats shaking and armpits in your face....so I'm not too excited about it.

I did the math and the DS Lite is 27% smaller than the PSP, and that does seem to be mostly from it being 37mm (1.46in) shorter in length.

The DS Lite also ways 22% less than the PSP, or 62g (2.19oz).

I'm not really sure I'm understanding your game card complaints either. They seem really illogical but perhaps you could explain better.

Here are a few questions/comments:
1) There is Wi-Fi on this train?
2) You actually use your PSP in those conditions you describe?
3) Why fumble with the card when you could already have it in the system before you even leave your house?

I'm just not seeing how the complaints are actually real-world problems. If you plan on playing games then either system will require you to swap cards/discs to switch games. But perhaps you have a wi-fi enabled train ride that is so long you want to check your e-mail, play a game, and then browse the web a bit all in one trip?

Since I've had a PDA I can definitely say I would MUCH rather browse with a pointer (stylus) then a joystick-nub!

raggedjimmi

Jun 24, 2006, 03:06 PM

2nyRiggz

Jun 24, 2006, 03:15 PM

Don't plan on using my handhelds for the net...Maybe I didn't make myself clear. All i said is I have no time to take out cards on a train.

I mention the net thing because I don't want to be changing cards just for the net(not on a train)....i got the DS for games so it does not interest me.

The PSP browser does not interest me either, just to be fair. I don't think the DS or PSP is good for it(which i stated before)

Bless

raggedjimmi

Jun 24, 2006, 03:21 PM

Ah sorry, yea I misunderstood.
Internet doesn't bother me on a handheld system either. my Pocket PC takes care of that with a pretty high resolution. anything below 640*480 is just bad news.
but.
to check my mail would be awesome.

Haoshiro

Jun 24, 2006, 03:23 PM

^Don't plan on using my handhelds for the net...Maybe I didn't make myself clear. All i said is I have no time to take out cards on a train.

I mention the net thing because I don't want to be changing cards just for the net(not on a train)....i got the DS for games so it does not interest me.

The PSP browser does not interest me either, just to be fair. I don't think the DS or PSP is good for it(which i stated before)

That is much clearer, explains the lack of logic in the entire post, lol!

I personally think the web works fine on portable devices so long as the site supports a mobile layout (which most do not). But being able to check the weather or e-mail, etc while sitting in a café can't be entirely bad. And if I were going to do that I'd want a decent way to navigate, and that would only be by trackball (Sidekick) or stylus (PDA/DS).

AppleGuy08

Jun 24, 2006, 06:15 PM

In regards to the big cartridge comment, that was only meant for the media cartridge, because it looked bigger than normal, the game cartridges are perfectly fine :)

AppleGuy08

Jun 24, 2006, 06:17 PM

Gamestop Co.Kerry has loads of them :p Its beautiful, only thing to make it better would have been proper motion sensor, hopefully next version. Best game on psp (well along side Lumines)

I got the store to show me the black DS and white DS. Black looks better straight out of the box. As soon as you put 1 finger print on it, it gets grubby. I'm too fussy and would spend 90 % of the time cleaning the thing rather than playing, so I went for white. The black should hve been matte like the macbook (or like it is inside) rather than gloss.

i got the loco roco download from the psp website...that game kicks ass..except for the annoying japanese music.

SheriffParker

Jun 25, 2006, 12:30 AM

DS Lite! Nintendo will always have a special place in my heart... I grew up with Mario, and he's been like a father to me ever since.

PSP... meh.

It's all about the stylus and innovative game design. Nintendo is where it's at.

sonymnms

Feb 20, 2007, 12:00 AM

JackAxe

Feb 20, 2007, 01:26 AM

It's a given that the DS would be on top, but I was expecting a few more PSP owners. :D

I didn't buy a PSP, because of my horrid experience with their Clié. I'm awaiting a PSP revision though and will buy one for the PS3 online game service. Of course I need to buy a PS3 first, so it's going to be a while. I'll be moving to a DS Lite first.

<]=)

weg

Feb 20, 2007, 05:06 AM

question, what game do you guys recommend? (I dont like guns, but like rpgs.)

Final Fantasy III, of course, and Lost Magic (it's pretty tough, though).

siurpeeman

Feb 20, 2007, 05:48 AM

it's amazing to see threads die and come back months, even years, later. having owned both systems, i like the psp, but i <3 my ds lite. i cannot believe the hours i've lost playing new super mario bros., tetris, metroid, clubhouse games, brain age, etc. all while my psp was collecting dust. still, i've not played a game on the ds quite like loco roco. that game alone makes the psp not so bad.

MacRumorUser

Feb 20, 2007, 06:55 AM

it's amazing to see threads die and come back months, even years, later.

LOL. Just what I was thinking.

It's always a newbie that resurrects a dead thread though,

Chone

Feb 20, 2007, 11:22 AM

I like the DS but I have to say, the touch screen is a gimmick in most cases, just look at some of the best rated DS games, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart DS, Final Fantasy III, Castlevania, etc, you don't need dual screens and touch screen to make incredible games, and Nintendo proves that themselves, my favorite games on the DS make irrelevant use of the dual screen, touch screen, etc (as in, the game could be made perfectly without that stuff).

After watching some Force Unleashed tech videos I'm really beginning to wonder how far Nintendo's philosophy can take you, there is only so much motion sensing and touch screen tapping can take you.

I'm only saying, the only 2 games that interest me on the Wii are Twilight Princess (again, a game that doesn't really need Wii motion sensing) and Rayman Raving Rabids and I found out that playing that game with a control pad is actually just as fun.

So really it has come to a point where I truly believe better processing power (for jaw-dropping physics, larger, more immersing seamless worlds, better AI, more fluid gameplay, larger characters, MORE characters on screen) has the upper hand over gimmicky controls, and don't say just look at PSP over DS sales... the DS's best games hardly make use of its gimmicky controls.

The thing is, I can think of a lot of drooling game scenarios that can only be achieved with the 360 and PS3, for the Wii... well, I can't think of anything as drooling (fun). The thing is the Wii is supposed to be about fun, more fun than anything and the game I enjoyed most in 2006 is definitely not on Wii... and I don't think that will happen in 2007 either, Spore, UT3, Halo 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Forza 2, GTA IV, all of them look better than anything that can happen on the Wii which sadly reduces to first party games.

Sky Blue

Feb 20, 2007, 12:58 PM

Rayman Raving Rabids and I found out that playing that game with a control pad is actually just as fun.

In your world, what colour is the sky?

zim

Feb 20, 2007, 01:55 PM

DS: better games, better variety of game play, better portability (smaller and closes up so the screens are nice and protected), better price. I love it so much that I have two :D

GFLPraxis

Feb 20, 2007, 02:06 PM

I'm only saying, the only 2 games that interest me on the Wii are Twilight Princess (again, a game that doesn't really need Wii motion sensing) and Rayman Raving Rabids and I found out that playing that game with a control pad is actually just as fun.

And the only game that interests me on the PS3 is...oh wait, there is none, since I don't like console FPS (Resistance) and all the other games suck.

THIS IS STANDARD LAUNCH BLUES. Both the PS3 and Wii have one spectacular game at launch (Zelda and Resistance), a few okay games and a lot of crap.

By the end of the year we'll have Super Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Strikers Charged, BWii, etc, etc.

raggedjimmi

Feb 20, 2007, 02:11 PM

-snip-

So the best DS games don't have touch controls. I like how the list missed off Nintendogs and Brain Training. Of course not all games will use the DS's advantages fully. Just as not every PS3 game will use the gyros, same for the Wii. This is why the Wii has a classic controller and the DS has buttons - it's stupid to think everything can be ported to new controls.
You'll never get a fluid Mario like platformer with the touchscreen alone, though you will get Kirby Canvas Curse style stuff that simply cannot be played with a dpad.

Rayman as fun with dpad. :rolleyes: . I wasn't keen on the Wii game but without the controls it goes from average to dire in a swift nosedive of enjoyment.

Where the **** does it say faster CPU's and horsepower are needed for large worlds, immersing worlds, (what I love best) more fluid gameplay, larger characters? Have you not played Turrican or Metroid? huge worlds have here since NES days. SotC? Meet Kraid. I'm not even going to bother going over the "benefits" you made there, they are too ridiculous. Case in point? Well my bro got a HDTV a few days back (32" Toshiba thing), we had a few games on Project Gotham and some other racers. None compared to the immersion I got from something as basic as Excite Truck. The game may not be perfect but I tuned out of reality when I was playing, focusing on just the screen. Not even F-Zero has done that to me.

I also like how you don't mention things that can only be played on the Wii. A game with proper swordfighting/lightsabre (would kill for a Jedi Knight game, even though I've never enjoyed previous games - something can be said about the power of the Wii there), an FPS that can actually control almost as well as a keyboard/mouse setup, an RTS, but best of all- new genres that could never have been used without such control in the past.

2nyRiggz

Feb 20, 2007, 02:14 PM

GLFPraxis
And the PS3 will have MGS4, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, FF5 and etc...
Sorry I had to finish off your point:)

Bless

raggedjimmi

Feb 20, 2007, 02:41 PM

And the PS3 will have MGS4, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, FF5 and etc...
Sorry I had to finish off your point:)
:confused:
Praxis was merely carrying on what Chrone was saying about games coming out for the PS3.

2nyRiggz

Feb 20, 2007, 02:44 PM

^Duh and I was topping it off. He said that both console have lame launch line ups but also said the wii line that will be out soon...so I put up the PS3(only except FF5) lineup just for giggles....don't take it too serious.

Bless

JackAxe

Feb 20, 2007, 03:07 PM

Blah blah blah

Just tap your heels together three times, and repeat "There's no place like the past, when it was cool for the kids to hate Nintendo." ;)

<]=)

Chone

Feb 20, 2007, 05:32 PM

snip.

Well first of all I'd like to point out none of my comments were meant to troll and I do not dislike the Wii and DS, in fact, I'd buy a DS over a PSP and right now I'd shell out for a Wii rather than a PS3 or 360.

My whole point with my post was to say the control standards Nintendo has set are simply different, not better (at least not necessarily), its not the way of the future either. I also meant to say that games on traditional pads can still be just as fun as Wii games. Some people like to say the Wii is about having fun but really, traditional pad games have the same fun potential as Wii/DS games.

Well I like Rayman because of the rabbids, not because of the actual minigames, the humor is the same on both versions but the minigames do play much better on Wii.

Are you kidding me? Now you just sound like a fanboy... if you don't think better processing power doesn't allow all the stuff I said then what is the point in discussing with you, you always seem to drop on everyone that says something remotely negative about the Wii like a bloodthirsty hound... physics and AI are one of the things that are lacking the most in today's games and I believe physics and AI can add much to gameplay (and create or redefine genres like you say), as much as the Wii or more and thats just to name 2 things better processing power allows.

A Jedi Knight Wii game would be wicked awesome I admit... but there are just as good possibilities for the 360 and PS3 with their processing power. I'm more angry at Nintendo for letting themselves slide down so much rather than going the gimmicky controls way, when I read someone post about upcoming games for the Wii, I was so disappointed to see nothing but mario, metroid and same ol' Nintendo 1st party...

If people don't know processing power can actually add a LOT to gameplay, create new gameplay concepts and redefine genres then they really don't know what they are talking about...

Games are way of entertainment and I think what the 360 and PS3 are doing is making that entertainment better than what the Wii is doing... of course that is just my opinion, I'll buy a Wii first and then a 360 or PS3 but I think I'll be having more fun on the 360/PS3...

MacRumorUser

Feb 20, 2007, 05:48 PM

raggedjimmi

Feb 20, 2007, 06:07 PM

Agilus

Feb 20, 2007, 07:05 PM

^ your right. The CPU does more than drive a HD display. Do you think a game like Oblivion is ever going to be possible on the wii ? Probably not.
Or look at the advanced AI in games like GOW or Resistance Fall of Man, and compare it to the wooden robots in RedSteel, FarCry & COD3 on the wii.

These things are more than just graphical differences and advanced physics and AI can transform a game - often more so than just graphics.

Come on, now. If Morrowind ran on an XBox and on my old 600 MHz PC, Oblivion can run on a Wii and have graphics at the level of at least Twilight Princess. The machine's not nearly as underpowered as you make it out to be.

As for saying that all the Wii can do has been shown by Red Steel, Far Cry and COD3, then you're basing your estimates on games that were obviously rushed for launch. If you don't like the Wii, that's fine. But trashing the Wii based on a few rushed third party games is silly and unrealistic (and eye-roll worthy).

As for AI and physics, clever programming can make up for processing power. And like I said above, it's not like there's -that- much of a difference in power between the platforms. Twilight Princess and Elebits have reasonable physics engines. As for AI, different AI systems (e.g. neural nets, decision trees) can be trained offline before the game is even launched, and be used to suck less resources. I'm just saying there are smart ways to do things, and processing power isn't everything. Good developers are, and Nintendo (the company) and some third parties have them in spades. :)

MacRumorUser

Feb 20, 2007, 07:15 PM

Come on, now. If Morrowind ran on an XBox and on my old 600 MHz PC, Oblivion can run on a Wii and have graphics at the level of at least Twilight Princess.

OK you run Oblivion on 750mhz PC (wii equivalent) and get back to me about how well it runs :rolleyes: How asinine an argument do you want to make ?

I have 8 Wii games so far, I don't think I'm anti wii :rolleyes: :rolleyes: My point being after the initial rush and the fun I had on wii sports I'm just finding it a bit gimmicky at the moment. As for elebits, well Europe wont see that until May, and this lack of somthing killer is leading me to become disenchanted with the wii at the moment. Of course that can change but they need some AAA games soon otherwise my wii is going to be gathering dust...

And justifying the poor AI in Wii's launch titles ? Then please explain why an equally rushed PS3 launch game Resistance has better AI ? I wasn't debating overall game quality but merely stating that the advanced CPU's in the 360 & PS3 can give games better AI than what would be possible on the Wii..

Chone

Feb 20, 2007, 07:38 PM

Wooooaaaah I never said slow CPUs can do what faster ones can. Where the flaming hell did I say that? I simply pulled the ones you said that were laughable (Large worlds, big characters, more fluid gameplay - how on friggin earth does a faster CPU allow for more fluid gameplay?).

And a whole new era of controller doesn't add to gameplay? As I said before - faster CPU's can do new things (Dead Rising won't be coming to the Wii), but alternatively the Wii will be doing certain things much better than a PS3 or 360. That was exactly my point and you absolutely skimmed around that.

Christ above. I'm done arguing here.

I never said you did, and how on earth does faster hardware NOT allow more fluid gameplay? Larger worlds... of course better hardware allows larger more detailed seamless worlds... I fail to see why that is so laughable.

For the second paragraph, this should say enough:

and I believe physics and AI can add much to gameplay (and create or redefine genres like you say), as much as the Wii or more and thats just to name 2 things better processing power allows.

A Jedi Knight Wii game would be wicked awesome I admit... but there are just as good possibilities for the 360 and PS3 with their processing power.

zap2

Feb 20, 2007, 08:24 PM

Do you think a game like Oblivion is ever going to be possible on the wii ? Probably not.

Yes...I've not played Obilvion, have watch people play it, and know something about it,and I think it could be done on Wii. Storage space is less of a problem then on the 360(no HD stuff for the Wii) and Zelda is a pretty "big" game so I think thats fine.

It might not look as shiny, but I think it could be done.

Agilus

Feb 20, 2007, 11:22 PM

OK you run Oblivion on 750mhz PC (wii equivalent) and get back to me about how well it runs :rolleyes: How asinine an argument do you want to make ?

I'm just saying that you're wrong on this. The Wii is capable of good graphics. They may not be as shiny or with as high of a polygon count, and the developers may have to work to tune them, but on an SD TV, they'd look just fine, and the rest of such a game could be implemented. Aim for your target hardware, and you'd be fine. I'm a developer. I have tough performance requirements to meet every day, and my software reaches them because I use better algorithms and make trade-offs to get the best possible package with the hardware I'm given.

I have 8 Wii games so far, I don't think I'm anti wii :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ....

Big deal. Not relevant to the argument. My point was to correct your inaccuracies.

And justifying the poor AI in Wii's launch titles ? Then please explain why an equally rushed PS3 launch game Resistance has better AI ?

Easy: Resistance developers did a better job, which was exactly my point. I don't see how I'm justifying poor AI. I think it's crappy that Ubisoft and EA rushed unfinished junk to market, and I didn't purchase any of these games.

I wasn't debating overall game quality but merely stating that the advanced CPU's in the 360 & PS3 can give games better AI than what would be possible on the Wii..

And I'm just saying that the improvements are minor with smart developers, given the differences in the power of the platforms. Just like with graphics, the increase in power between any two of the next gen systems gives diminishing returns. With these systems, I argue that it all comes down to your developers and game designers. Maybe if the difference in power was an order of magnitude you'd have a valid point, but it's not.

GFLPraxis

Feb 21, 2007, 12:20 AM

I never said you did, and how on earth does faster hardware NOT allow more fluid gameplay? Larger worlds... of course better hardware allows larger more detailed seamless worlds... I fail to see why that is so laughable.

For the second paragraph, this should say enough:

I could care less about graphics, but I LOVE physics in games. That's one thing I like about X360 and PS3.

But they're different categories. The Wii can do some things (pointing precision and simply entirely different types of games) the others can't, and vice versa.