PS3. Pre-orders at play cost HOW MUCH?

[MacRumorUser]

http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/1032615/-/Product.html


:eek: FIVE HUNDRED & FORTY NINE POUNDS & NINETY NINE PENCE :eek: £549.99

For a ps3 and 3 of the iffiest looking of the launch line up....

€805 Euro.... That's not going to Sony.

A premium 360 including AAA title, Oblivion on play is only £299

[pdpfilms]

http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/1032615/-/Product.html


:eek: FIVE HUNDRED & FORTY NINE POUNDS & NINETY NINE PENCE :eek: £549.99

For a ps3 and 3 of the iffiest looking of the launch line up....

€805 Euro.... That's not going to Sony.

A premium 360 including AAA title, Oblivion on play is only £299
Oh. Wow.

OUCH.:eek:

[Haoshiro]

Isn't standard game price £49.99?

So the games are valued at £149.97

So...

PS3 Complete - £400.02 ($733.93)
3 Games - £149.97 ($275.15)

Obviously UK gets shived with crazy high prices, but this is not new is it?

Are those prices actually that bad compared to already announced pricing?

[benyaimin]

damn

[MacRumorUser]

Isn't standard game price £49.99?

So the games are valued at £149.97

So...

PS3 Complete - £400.02 ($733.93)
3 Games - £149.97 ($275.15)

Obviously UK gets shived with crazy high prices, but this is not new is it?

Are those prices actually that bad compared to already announced pricing?

The point really was that the games were pretty lame, I mean Singstar :rolleyes: hardly cutting edge. Also you cant buy the ps3 seperate. You can only order this bundle and that's it. No customisation of games (maybe because nothing spectacular will be available on launch anyway).

Also the fact that the Xbox 360 is already availble for near half this cost, with Oblivion included on the same website. And you can guarantee it will recieve a 30-50 pound reduction at ps3 launch, means the cost of a ps3 seems really, really, really (you get the point) steep...

[combatcolin]

xBox 360 £230 by september -- hmm, tempting.

[Haoshiro]

...And you can guarantee it will recieve a 30-50 pound reduction at ps3 launch...

With the huge price gap you've just demonstrated between 360 and PS3 bundle pricing, do you actually believe a price reduction is garaunteed? That just seems like a pointless business strategy to me... drop prices at the arrival of competition that is already substantially higher priced?

I mean, sure, if the PS3 was getting released at a matching price.... seems highky unlikely.

[bigandy]

just another reason for me to not buy another PlayStation, just like i didn't buy the first one or second one.... :rolleyes:

[mfacey]

Sony is just skimming the top end of the market to get all the early adopters willing to pay that kind of money. If you wait 6-12 months, you'll not only have a much better line up of games but will also see a considerable drop in price for the hardware.

About preordering: If Play doesn't suit your needs you could always just pre-order elsewhere!

All I know is that I'm getting a Wii when it comes out. Way better launch titles and an overall more appealing looking system. The PS3 seems to be nothing more than a PS2 with better graphics and a BR drive.

[MacRumorUser]

I mean, sure, if the PS3 was getting released at a matching price.... seems highky unlikely.

You bet your bottom dollar they will. Can you imagine how many extra sales they will pick up just by dropping say 30 quid. - or the doubt in parents minds when little Johnny says he wants a ps3 that will cost twice as much..

It would also take the STEAM right out of the Sony launch and would be perfect timing.

It's not that they need to, but the fact it would be a publicity/PR success and really be spoiler with the launch of the PS3. That alone is enough reason.

Microsoft are in for the fight and not afraid to jump into the scrap this time around..

You got to remember that Nintendo will be out and will be significantly cheaper than both, so it would also cussion the blow price difference wise between the wii and 360.

Besides microsoft will have enough accessories by christmas that they can write of the price cut /discount and claw it back on the HD-DVD, Wireless Headset / Wireless Steering Wheel etc....

You wont hear ANY confirmation from microsoft until they do price cut, simply because they dont want people putting buying decisions on hold...

[Haoshiro]

You bet your bottom dollar they will. Can you imagine how many extra sales they will pick up just by dropping say 30 quid. - or the doubt in parents minds when little Johnny says he wants a ps3 that will cost twice as much..

It would also take the STEAM right out of the Sony launch and would be perfect timing.

It's not that they need to, but the fact it would be a publicity/PR success and really be spoiler with the launch of the PS3. That alone is enough reason.

Microsoft are in for the fight and not afraid to jump into the scrap this time around..

You got to remember that Nintendo will be out and will be significantly cheaper than both, so it would also cussion the blow price difference wise between the wii and 360.

Besides microsoft will have enough accessories by christmas that they can write of the price cut /discount and claw it back on the HD-DVD, Wireless Headset / Wireless Steering Wheel etc....

You wont hear ANY confirmation from microsoft until they do price cut, simply because they dont want people putting buying decisions on hold...

Well I don't think it'll happen. Price drops are a sign of failure. They indicate that the product is either doing poorly in retail or is about to be phased out/replaced with a newer model. None of that is good for Microsoft. A price drop at the launch of PS3, which will be marketed as superior to the 360, will make it look like the 360 is making room for the new, better, replacement - the PS3.

Come Novemeber one of us will be wrong, heheh...

[MacRumorUser]

Well I don't think it'll happen. Price drops are a sign of failure. They indicate that the product is either doing poorly in retail or is about to be phased out/replaced with a newer model. None of that is good for Microsoft. A price drop at the launch of PS3, which will be marketed as superior to the 360, will make it look like the 360 is making room for the new, better, replacement - the PS3.

Come Novemeber one of us will be wrong, heheh...

Or we could both be right, bundle pack could fill the gap between two opinions and basically cover both bases, offering 1 - a saving / better value and 2 - a great pr to show how great and powerful the system is (a gears of war bundle for example) .

[princealfie]

bye bye ps3

[virus1]

the blue ray just crushes it

[liketom]

i'm just glad i got my 360 already - i know people who are waiting for the PS3 , but after telling them of a) the wait b)the cost , they are well cheesed off and then say how much they still love there PS2's :D


shame about the price though i might still get one middle of next year

[raggedjimmi]

Europe just kissed Sony a solemn goodbye.

Of course the games won't be £50 when released, the 3 for £150 pretty much cements that. bundle games always cost less. Probably save about £30, £10 off each game. If true it follows my exact prediction of £60 games in the high street.
I also predicted PS3 doing extremely badly, especially in the UK. but you don't need to be psychic that a system of this price is going to do bad against 2 VERY stiff competitors, haha, even in a non-competitive market £500 for a games machine is ludicrous.

I don't think anybody realistically expects Sony to follow the success of the PS1 and 2 with this. unrealistic prices.

[belovedmonster]

The problem is not that the PS3 is expensive.. far from it, its dirt cheap! The problem is that its being sold as something besides a gaming console, its being sold as an entire home entertainment device that will run your whole living room. And the problem with that is that the average joe who wants a games console alone isnt willing to pay all that extra money for blueray DVDs and the other perks of the PS3 that result from it also being a media centre computer.

I believe that once HD TV takes off, and once media computers in the living room take off then the PS3 will seem like a very good little package that will do everything all in one and cheaply, and as an added bonus has a next gen games console built in too..

But at the mo the average joe just wants the games console!

[mfacey]

I also predicted PS3 doing extremely badly, especially in the UK. but you don't need to be psychic that a system of this price is going to do bad against 2 VERY stiff competitors, haha, even in a non-competitive market £500 for a games machine is ludicrous.

I don't think anybody realistically expects Sony to follow the success of the PS1 and 2 with this. unrealistic prices.

I'm not so sure about this. I think there will still be plenty of people lining up to get this thing on launch day. Sure, it won't be high-school kids, but there are plenty of people who aren't too bothered spending $600 on a machine like that.

As the poster above suggested its far more than a games console. Knowing Sony it will be very cleverly and well marketed, and they'll position it in the market as a premium home entertainment system. Sony is obviously just tring to differentiate themselves from Nintendo and Microsoft. It'll be interesting to see whether it works out. I'm pretty sure Sony knows exactly what they're doing. After two extremely popular consoles, it would be silling to throw it all away as other posters are suggesting.

[Chundles]

This thing's going to be AUD$1000 easy. That's huge.... The original PS2 was A$699 and halved in price fairly quickly - there were some very ticked off people when that happened.

The 360 is about A$650 here now, the Wii could be about A$350 - $400.

Pre-orders for the PS3 are going to be super expensive.

[raggedjimmi]

The problem is not that the PS3 is expensive.. far from it, its dirt cheap! The problem is that its being sold as something besides a gaming console, its being sold as an entire home entertainment device that will run your whole living room. And the problem with that is that the average joe who wants a games console alone isnt willing to pay all that extra money for blueray DVDs and the other perks of the PS3 that result from it also being a media centre computer.

I believe that once HD TV takes off, and once media computers in the living room take off then the PS3 will seem like a very good little package that will do everything all in one and cheaply, and as an added bonus has a next gen games console built in too..

But at the mo the average joe just wants the games console!

Not even. People who want BluRay and media centres will jolly well have those as soon as they hit the market. The PS3 seems to be targeted at people who either don't have or don't know about Media Centres. There are cheaper PC alternatives. ACTUAL computers too, not Sony's vision of a locked down Linux on a strange CPU.

Know who the gamers are? Try people under 20. the people not on big wages or on parents money. To just cut out people who can't afford a £500 console is ridiculous. thats a LOT of people. we're talking the remaining market to be something miniscule. Minidisc miniscule.

I just think Sony are a little raw, after having the weaker consoles in the last 2 runs, they say "well eff that" and bring something out thats marginally better than a 360 and costs a frakkin lot more. ho hum.

[MacRumorUser]

I still dont believe that bluray or hd-dvd will take off massively.

Especially now dvd upscalers are available for around £80 offering people that perceived image boost with all their existing dvd catalogue for that lcd/plasma for a relativly small price.

Whilst not 'true' hd, its enough of a boost to warrant passing on both the very expensive formats.

When a shopping channel like QVC is plugging dvd upscalers as an alternative to those (yes I know this is to people who dont really have a clue about technology, but that's the majority of consumers) folks at home and offering better almost HD quality for a price 10% of a new format player. The battle may be won before it starts.

[FleurDuMal]

I can perhaps just about forgive a high initial price for the machine, but £50 a game (whatever console it is) is just ridiculous.

The trend amongst new releases in the DVD and CD world is reducing prices. In video games its the opposite. We need a video gaming equivalent of Napster to do to the gaming industry exactly what it did to the music industry; to give it a kick up the arse and remind it that consumers won't blindly pay idioticly high prices forever.

[mfacey]

I still dont believe that bluray or hd-dvd will take off massively.

Especially now dvd upscalers are available for around £80 offering people that perceived image boost with all their existing dvd catalogue for that lcd/plasma for a relativly small price.

Whilst not 'true' hd, its enough of a boost to warrant passing on both the very expensive formats.

When a shopping channel like QVC is plugging dvd upscalers as an alternative to those (yes I know this is to people who dont really have a clue about technology, but that's the majority of consumers) folks at home and offering better almost HD quality for a price 10% of a new format player. The battle may be won before it starts.

DVD upscaling is nowhere near the quality of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray which are both true High-Def. I'm sure either BR or HDDVD will take off but it'll take some time. The first players are coming out now. People are waiting for more media for them, lower prices for the players and also lower prices for the HDTV you need to get the max out of the medium!
Just like the first DVD players they are insanely expensive. The producers of the DVD upscalers aren't stupid either. All they're trying to do is extend the life-cycle of the dvd-players, and it only makes sense to market them against the far more expensive next gen players. Its a silly comparison, but thats marketing for you!

[combatcolin]

The 480 upscalers and HDMI make a mighty fine stop gap until Next Gen DVD hits the mainstream.

The PS3 is still way too espensive though, it will sell however.

[belovedmonster]

Not even. People who want BluRay and media centres will jolly well have those as soon as they hit the market. The PS3 seems to be targeted at people who either don't have or don't know about Media Centres. There are cheaper PC alternatives. ACTUAL computers too, not Sony's vision of a locked down Linux on a strange CPU.

Know who the gamers are? Try people under 20. the people not on big wages or on parents money. To just cut out people who can't afford a £500 console is ridiculous. thats a LOT of people. we're talking the remaining market to be something miniscule. Minidisc miniscule.

I dont disagree with any of those points, I was just making the point that instead of people moaning that "Damn the PS3 is an expensive games console" they should instead be saying "Damn why did Sony have to make it a media centre? I can only afford a games console".

Personally Im getting a Wii.

[MacRumorUser]

I dont disagree with any of those points, I was just making the point that instead of people moaning that "Damn the PS3 is an expensive games console" they should instead be saying "Damn why did Sony have to make it a media centre? I can only afford a games console".

Personally Im getting a Wii.

Agree with you. Like i've said multiple times before, doesnt matter how much extra gubbins sony throw in and no matter if they call it a 'supercomputer' it will always be perceived by the masses quite rightly as a games console.

Sony should have realised with the utter failure of the PSX hybrid (PS2 media center) in japan that people arent that fussed about media centers. They want a console pure and simple, and one that doesnt cost the earth to buy into.

[raggedjimmi]

Agree with you. Like i've said multiple times before, doesnt matter how much extra gubbins sony throw in and no matter if they call it a 'supercomputer' it will always be perceived by the masses quite rightly as a games console.

Sony should have realised with the utter failure of the PSX hybrid (PS2 media center) in japan that people arent that fussed about media centers. They want a console pure and simple, and one that doesnt cost the earth to buy into.

Yea, whenever Sony have tried to stretch beyond a games console - it went wrong. CD player on the PS1? horrendous. DVD player on the PS2? GUI anyone? They tried to destroy Nintendo with the PSP, and didn't. The Japan PSX/2/media centre edition (whatever it was called) flopped majorly.

... but what am I saying? Of course the PS3 is different :rolleyes:

[combatcolin]

Easy, fast and wireless Broadband conections have changed the market completly.

So, while im not a huge Playstation fan, the whole comcept of the Media Center is that one step closer.

Wonder how noisy the thing will be?

[dextertangocci]

Does the PS3 use a powerpc processor? If so, can you install OSX on it.:cool: :)

[raggedjimmi]

Does the PS3 use a powerpc processor? If so, can you install OSX on it.:cool: :)

The Cell is a PPC. But it's Sony. They'll release a few PS3's that allow for that, but then quickly release updates to prevent homebrew and hacking ;)

If Sony's current trend is followed, expect the PS3 to be crippled on that front.

[MagicWok]

The Cell is a PPC. But it's Sony. They'll release a few PS3's that allow for that, but then quickly release updates to prevent homebrew and hacking ;)

If Sony's current trend is followed, expect the PS3 to be crippled on that front.

It is not a PPC. Sony developed the processors together with IBM/Toshiba. The fact that they did it with IBM, doesn't mean that it is a PPC. IBM is extremely good at developing powerfull CPU's, and do much more than just a PPC you know...

[knackroller]

For those who pay good serious money for a gaming PC, it could be more worthwhile buying a console and a say mac mini for surfing and stuff. I suppose the big difference would be the price of games …….. If console game prices aren't going to come down, then it will be hard to justify paying more for the console.

[Haoshiro]

You have to realize that "PlayStation" is just about the only "good" hardware brand they have anymore, at least in terms of public perception. Walkman? Replaced by iPod.

VAIO, WEGA, etc might be good hardware products but there isn't a lot of general public awareness for the brands.

Which is why Sony is pushing so much into the PS3 that doesn't need to be there, because it's the only way they will really be recognized by a huge amount of people.

Of course I am talking about hardware brands, not Sony BMG, etc.

[FleurDuMal]

VAIO, WEGA, etc might be good hardware products but there isn't a lot of general public awareness for the brands.


VAIO ain't now good hardware product in my eyes. Despite the public perception, they can't produce reliable hardware for toffee, nor is their customer service up to much. Two laptops, both broke within a few months, both from exactly the same problem, the first took forever to be replaced, the second isnt under warranty anymore.

:mad:

[MacRumorUser]

VAIO ain't now good hardware product in my eyes. Despite the public perception, they can't produce reliable hardware for toffee, nor is their customer service up to much. Two laptops, both broke within a few months, both from exactly the same problem, the first took forever to be replaced, the second isnt under warranty anymore.

:mad:

My first laptop was a sony vaio and it sucked MAJOR ass.
Brand loyallty doesnt count for squat these days, when a major player like sony launch a media hybrid ps2 (PSX) with great fanfare and uber hype to a public who generally relish new hardware (the japanese) and yet receive a more than frosty welcome and subsequenty buckle under their overpriced hardware - they should have learnt somthing.

Instead the marketing bods are completely blind and Kutugari ?? seems to open his mouth and make more PR blunders than George W Bush....

I've said it before, Sony wont lose any battle this format war. But their reputation and public perception will be tarnished enough to really through doubt into the proper big war - next gen 2010....

[JRM PowerPod]

People of this forum have been happy to pay a premium for a better quality producy for years(Apple vs PC's), i'll give sony my au$1000 no questions when comparing it to a 650au XBOX360. The XBOX 360 is like XBOX 1.1.

Lets all go buy beige crappy windows boxes running 3ghz celerons because they are half the price of an iMac. That is the theory being used by everyone in this forum.

[floyde]

People of this forum have been happy to pay a premium for a better quality producy for years(Apple vs PC's), i'll give sony my au$1000 no questions when comparing it to a 650au XBOX360. The XBOX 360 is like XBOX 1.1.
Aww come on, you can't possibly believe that the PS3 will be that much better. The extra cash you'll be paying won't be for extra power, it'll be for the (currently) useless Blue-ray player.

Lets all go buy beige crappy windows boxes running 3ghz celerons because they are half the price of an iMac. That is the theory being used by everyone in this forum.
They run on PPC's and without Windows :rolleyes: (thank God for that :D )

[Haoshiro]

People of this forum have been happy to pay a premium for a better quality producy for years(Apple vs PC's), i'll give sony my au$1000 no questions when comparing it to a 650au XBOX360. The XBOX 360 is like XBOX 1.1.

Lets all go buy beige crappy windows boxes running 3ghz celerons because they are half the price of an iMac. That is the theory being used by everyone in this forum.

Sony is no Apple, not by a LONG shot.

Oh, and the 360 has a triple core 3.2Ghz PowerPC CPU... PPC, you know, the processor that powered Macs for how long?

Just because a company charges MORE for a product doesn't make it better... Apple, however, is one of those companies that DOES have a better product. This is not true for Sony.

[thequicksilver]

Yea, whenever Sony have tried to stretch beyond a games console - it went wrong. CD player on the PS1? horrendous. DVD player on the PS2? GUI anyone? They tried to destroy Nintendo with the PSP, and didn't. The Japan PSX/2/media centre edition (whatever it was called) flopped majorly.

... but what am I saying? Of course the PS3 is different :rolleyes:

FWIW, of the five people I knew that bought the PS2 on launch, three of them used the "free DVD player" as a reason for getting it. As you'll no doubt recall, DVD players were still in the £150+ region in 1999-2000, and the PS2 did offer a good way of getting a DVD player as well as getting a new console.

That said, I entirely agree that the PS3 is overstretching for most people.

[raggedjimmi]

People of this forum have been happy to pay a premium for a better quality producy for years(Apple vs PC's), i'll give sony my au$1000 no questions when comparing it to a 650au XBOX360. The XBOX 360 is like XBOX 1.1.

Lets all go buy beige crappy windows boxes running 3ghz celerons because they are half the price of an iMac. That is the theory being used by everyone in this forum.

By that you mean the Ps3 is better? Even though Sony are reknowned for using shoddy cheap hardware and selling at a premium. Google - PS1 laser issues, PS2 laser issues, PS2 power cable issues, PSP laser issues, PSP dead pixels, PSP nub breaking... etc etc.

If I was ever to buy a piece of Sony hardware again it would have to have amazing games AND be very expensive, making sure it's insides were very expensive. not just percieved as such.

[ZildjianKX]

By that you mean the Ps3 is better? Even though Sony are reknowned for using shoddy cheap hardware and selling at a premium. Google - PS1 laser issues, PS2 laser issues, PS2 power cable issues, PSP laser issues, PSP dead pixels, PSP nub breaking... etc etc.

If I was ever to buy a piece of Sony hardware again it would have to have amazing games AND be very expensive, making sure it's insides were very expensive. not just percieved as such.

Very good post. I had horrible laser issues with my PS1, so I skipped the PS2. I figured I'd give the PSP a try since I'm sure their quality went up, I had 18 dead pixels. Now I'm skipping the PS3.

Now my 32" HDTV CRT Sony Wega's picture is starting to get messed up, great.

[combatcolin]

1st generation Playstation hardware deserves its bad reputation for poor build quality and limited relaibilty.

But Sony Audio/Visual is still the Mercedes Benz of the electronics world.

I would not hesitate in the slightest, if i had the money, in laying down £2000 for a big 42" Bravia

[MacRumorUser]

But Sony Audio/Visual is still the Mercedes Benz of the electronics world.


NOT!

Bang & Olufsen are the Mercedes Benz of the electronics world.

Sony are the Ford Capri of the electronics world. Flash & seemingly stylish to the general public on the outside, but just dont look on its inside, it's likely to fall apart & made from cheap undercut components :D

[combatcolin]

NOT!

Bang & Olufsen are the Mercedes Benz of the electronics world.

Sony are the Ford Capri of the electronics world. Flash & seemingly stylish to the general public on the outside, but just dont look on its inside, it's likely to fall apart & made from cheap undercut components :D

WRONG!

Bang & Olufsen are the Maybach's.

None of my Sony kit has ever given me any hassle in the slightest.

And to be honest the only thing i like about B+O are the remotes, twat someone over the head with one and there not going to get up in a hurry.

:eek:

[MacRumorUser]

None of my Sony kit has ever given me any hassle in the slightest.

Your lucky so. We have a good amount of sony equipment in the studio, pro video camera, beta cam players etc... all professional equipment. All of them have failed and had to be repaired or replaced.

They make nice equipment, just durability has always been a downer for us.

As for consoles,

Had 2 playstations, 1 had to be replaced.

Went through 4 playstation 2's and only the second slim ps2 remains alive, two fat ones and 1 thin one all died with laser failure.

My japanese launch psp had a problem with the X button and had to be replaced....

[raggedjimmi]

We've had a lot of Sony hardware fail on us.

My Sony MZ-R91? failure to read discs
Mates (this got me) both bought the NET MD players when they first came out. paid £300. plastic. who the hell, or what company would do that? oh yea. anywho. their MD's faded, they just look so cheap. I mean mine still looks awesome (it's metal) but the insides are effed.
Sony "square" speakers? tweekers blew within first 2 months. not a match for my Wharfedale Modus.
Random Sony hifi setup? sub par amp, sup par speakers. over the top cost.

Sony are just equal to Goodmans. except they try to make the device look good. insides are just the same.

I know there are people out there who are content with their systems. but I was brought up semi-good audio and video equipment. I know theres an equally rabid audiophile fanboy community to contend with so this will get a shout - but since Wharfedale (great allrounders) in the bedroom and Bose (perfect for lounge, gentle dance) everywere else, I've never looked back.

[belovedmonster]

You have to realize that "PlayStation" is just about the only "good" hardware brand they have anymore....Which is why Sony is pushing so much into the PS3 that doesn't need to be there, because it's the only way they will really be recognized by a huge amount of people.


Dang! Thats the smartest post Ive read regarding the PS3 on any message board so far. That statement is so true!

[combatcolin]

We've had a lot of Sony hardware fail on us.

My Sony MZ-R91? failure to read discs
Mates (this got me) both bought the NET MD players when they first came out. paid £300. plastic. who the hell, or what company would do that? oh yea. anywho. their MD's faded, they just look so cheap. I mean mine still looks awesome (it's metal) but the insides are effed.
Sony "square" speakers? tweekers blew within first 2 months. not a match for my Wharfedale Modus.
Random Sony hifi setup? sub par amp, sup par speakers. over the top cost.

Sony are just equal to Goodmans. except they try to make the device look good. insides are just the same.

I know there are people out there who are content with their systems. but I was brought up semi-good audio and video equipment. I know theres an equally rabid audiophile fanboy community to contend with so this will get a shout - but since Wharfedale (great allrounders) in the bedroom and Bose (perfect for lounge, gentle dance) everywere else, I've never looked back.

Um Goodmans?

:rolleyes:

Sort of killed your argument there my friend.

[raggedjimmi]

yes. Goodmans - Often break, cheap cases. Sony - often break, expensive cases.

I wish you read what I said. I'm talking insides. faulty faultee insides.

personal experience... 2 Goodmans CD players, 1 Goodmans TV. All broke. 2 Sony Minidisc players/recorders, 1 set of Sony speakers, 1 PS1, 1 PS2, 1 Sony DVD-RW (albeit an early model).. broke.

[combatcolin]

By any chance work in construction?

[Rovman]

The problem with the PS3 is the price in the UK and maybe elswhere in Europe (more than $800 over here fwiw). With the PS1 and 2 a huge portion of those were bought by parents rushing out to get them for their kids for christmas and birthdays, but at the price of the PS3 thats not ging to happen this time around. Only the diehard PS3 fans with their own money to waste or rich parents with spoilt kids.

In the US, the console is $600 which turns out to be £325... so probably around £400 with vat, now thats expensive but maybe resonable, problem is that sony have set the price in the UK at $800. Thats £433 (without tax). Its not tax that makes up the extra + 1/3rd of the price over here...

[Max on Macs]

Personally I will be getting a PS3. I love my PStwo, and I loved my old PS2, PSone and PS as well :) I've had them all, including all the 12 or something revisions of PS2 and the limited edition and coloured ones. But, I'm a gaming freak :)