Code Blue! in the Marketplace [Archive]

bousozoku

Jun 15, 2006, 06:47 PM

Yes. Make it only available to contributors.

I might be kidding. Or maybe not...

That wouldn't be enough to fix the problem. It was never meant to be a true venue for sales. The problem is that people want it to be more than it is or can easily be.

It would be better if people used a separate service that provided everything they wanted, instead of asking Arn and company to make major modifications to MacRumors to satisfy a few, vocal people.

Blue Velvet

Jun 15, 2006, 07:01 PM

That wouldn't be enough to fix the problem.

I wasn't serious and I completely agree with you. I've occasionally used the marketplace to give stuff away and have made a couple of small sales. Each time, everything has gone perfectly.

Frankly, threads about how the marketplace must be saved from itself are becoming more irritating than the abuses that have taken place in the past, particularly as the OP knows full well that extensive discussions about this very matter have already taken place elsewhere.

rdowns

Jun 15, 2006, 08:16 PM

As BV said, this has been discussed. Recent changes were made and hopefully this issue can go away.

By the way, Blue, how'd you get such a big, new tar?

mad jew

Jun 15, 2006, 08:23 PM

I have Marketplace on Ignore.

rdowns

Jun 15, 2006, 08:32 PM

I have Marketplace on Ignore.

If you're serious, you must go read this.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=209222

mad jew

Jun 15, 2006, 08:47 PM

Okay, it's off Ignore. That was fun. :D

bousozoku

Jun 15, 2006, 09:17 PM

I wasn't serious and I completely agree with you. I've occasionally used the marketplace to give stuff away and have made a couple of small sales. Each time, everything has gone perfectly.

Frankly, threads about how the marketplace must be saved from itself are becoming more irritating than the abuses that have taken place in the past, particularly as the OP knows full well that extensive discussions about this very matter have already taken place elsewhere.

I wanted to mention that a few thousand times.

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 15, 2006, 09:26 PM

I'm not a big fan of the marketplace... it seems it just creates trouble and bad blood... if it was used for the occasional off-loading of hardware and/or software for long-time members (contributors?) than it might work, but there seems like some almost have made small businesses in there more or less legitimate, and that wasn't really the purpose, was it...?

I think MR is much better off without the marketplace all together! Let's put it out of its misery, please...?

gallagb

Jun 15, 2006, 09:33 PM

i find it a useful & easy place to sell little odd mac things

e-bay is a pain
CL doesn't have a wide user base where i live

MR really makes sense & is easy to sell the mac-related products

just my thoughts

Kwyjibo

Jun 15, 2006, 10:58 PM

We could make it 100 posts to even VIEW the marketplace, I've seen this at other forums. Typically it was used to hide things much worse than buy/selling / trading of Mac Junk, but thats a whole other story. This seems like an odd suggestion, and it would eliminate much of the potential customers BUT it would increase the quality of transactions.

to be honest I don't think a feedback system is worth the time it would take to manage / maintain. The results wouldn't be any better, that user had little feedback here, who says that all users would use the system, or us it properly. Who makes the final call on the feedback, are the mods now arbitrators for deals? Sounds like if we need a feedback system the whole marketplace has become more hassle than its worth.

iSaint

Jun 15, 2006, 11:03 PM

Contributors or Avatar status only.

I got my great deal via the Marketplace.

OutThere

Jun 15, 2006, 11:42 PM

OP knows full well that extensive discussions about this very matter have already taken place elsewhere.

I wanted to mention that a few thousand times.

QFT (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QFT).

bousozoku

Jun 16, 2006, 12:54 AM

QFT (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QFT).

It makes me happy that I didn't post my other thoughts. :D

OutThere

Jun 16, 2006, 01:37 AM

It makes me happy that I didn't post my other thoughts. :D

I've run into that situation a few times...

Post->Quoted->Edit->Re-read thread->'Damn.' :p

bousozoku

Jun 16, 2006, 03:15 AM

I've run into that situation a few times...

Post->Quoted->Edit->Re-read thread->'Damn.' :p

That's why I'm using a special style sheet with a Wait a while button.

skoker

Jun 16, 2006, 10:15 AM

Frankly, threads about how the marketplace must be saved from itself are becoming more irritating than the abuses that have taken place in the past, particularly as the OP knows full well that extensive discussions about this very matter have already taken place elsewhere.

I used to be a huge supporter of the MP but frankly I'm hoping that it would just go away. It's becoming really annoying to see all of the people getting scammed in one way or another (It's happened to me once, I just haven't really made it public because the Powers that Be™ are looking into it.)

As the OQ would note, this isn't a thread about all the newbs spamming the Marketplace or anything like that. It's about the new string of people complaining (or rather, bring to lite) their bad deals.

amacgenius

Jun 16, 2006, 10:31 AM

Feedback system, 200 post minimum, member for at least 6 months.

I meet all of those requirements, and I've never had/done any deals that went sour, so I'm lucky.

I do agree we need higher requirements than just the 100 post count, I think avatar equipped members only would be a great revision to the rules.

skoker

Jun 16, 2006, 10:32 AM

I meet all of those requirements, and I've never had/done any deals that went sour, so I'm lucky.

I do agree we need higher requirements than just the 100 post count, I think avatar equipped members only would be a great revision to the rules.

Personally, I think that 100 posts to even ENTER the MP would work better than the current rules.

amacgenius

Jun 16, 2006, 10:35 AM

Personally, I think that 100 posts to even ENTER the MP would work better than the current rules.

That would work too, or (extreme case) you have to pay a fee (like contrib status only it could be mp status, etc) to enter/sell inside the marketplace, kind of like sitepoint's marketplace does to place an "ad".

amacgenius

Jun 16, 2006, 10:39 AM

I hate to play on both sides of the fence, but if you're going to use the Marketplace in the first place, it should be as it is over at Mac-Forums:

Use of this forum is at your own risk.
*This forum is use at your own risk

*The moderators and staff of this forum will have nothing to do with private transactions. Use common sense!

;).

Blue Velvet

Jun 16, 2006, 10:43 AM

It's about the new string of people complaining (or rather, bring to lite) their bad deals.

What can you do?
Let the buyer beware, that's all I can say...

...or MR takes a commission off from each transaction to pay for a disputed transactions ombudsman.:D

jsw

Jun 16, 2006, 10:51 AM

What can you do?
Let the buyer beware, that's all I can say...

...or MR takes a commission off from each transaction to pay for a disputed transactions ombudsman.:D
For a small fee - no more than 50% - I'll happily act as the middleman. Send the items to me, send the payment to me, and I'll forward each accordingly after taking my share. :cool:

NATO

Jun 16, 2006, 12:38 PM

I think the Marketplace is a fantastic area but I wouldn't go as far as insisting on avatar equipped members. I think a sensible number of posts (say 100 minimum) along with a time limit before you can use the Marketplace (say 6-12 months) is a better idea.

Anyone can blast through 100 posts, but to remain comitted to the forum for 6-12 months means you will weed out those who see the Marketplace as a quick place to scam someone.

I've only got about 190 posts on the board, but I'm a long-time reader and consistent poster, hence limiting to avatar equipped members would only deter those who don't want to blast through the 500 posts required to get an avatar.

jsw

Jun 16, 2006, 12:40 PM

I agree that time-since-registration is likely as good as or better than post count, but I'm not sure if vBulletin would support that.

I do encourage people to read a seller's other posts and check his tenure here before buying.

aquajet

Jun 16, 2006, 01:26 PM

Ideally, I would say avatar status and one year minimum membership.

Dillenger

Jun 16, 2006, 04:46 PM

I'm new to this site, but I have quite a few more posts at Mac-Forums. Anyway I got nailed by a guy there for $750.00 the only saving grace was Capitol One gave me my money back then went after his bank for the refund. I don't know what the answer is but personally I won't buy from anyone again on sites, except for ebay, and I know you have to be careful there too.

ipacmm

Jun 16, 2006, 05:50 PM

I like the 100 post to view the marketplace because when MR switched over to the 100 min post requirement it really helped get rid of the spam and fake posts and hopefully with this it will bring real buyers to the marketplace and hopefully have more positive experience at the marketplace.

Applespider

Jun 16, 2006, 05:53 PM

OutThere

Jun 16, 2006, 06:21 PM

The only problem with 100 posts to view is if a newbie/member comes here to get their first 'secondhand' Mac, they might not have been in the Mac community long enough to be able to buy the one they spot.

What proportion of Marketplace posts go through without problems?

Problem is, we don't want newbies coming in here all excited to get a mac, buying one in the marketplace for $2,000 and ending up with a M-M-M-MacBook. :rolleyes:

skoker

Jun 16, 2006, 06:45 PM

The only problem with 100 posts to view is if a newbie/member comes here to get their first 'secondhand' Mac, they might not have been in the Mac community long enough to be able to buy the one they spot.

What proportion of Marketplace posts go through without problems?

I'd guess there's about 75% of sales/threads go through without a hitch, 10% get no bites, 10% are scams/bad peoples, and the other 5% is eBay linkage.

Perhaps Doctor Q can make a Pie Chart for us?

eva01

Jun 16, 2006, 06:50 PM

Well i will say I have never personally had a problem with a marketplace deal.

One small issue with one but i was compensated when i even told the person it wasn't necessary. So everything has gone great for me personally.

Applespider

Jun 16, 2006, 06:58 PM

Problem is, we don't want newbies coming in here all excited to get a mac, buying one in the marketplace for $2,000 and ending up with a M-M-M-MacBook. :rolleyes:

Yeah... but if the 'scamming' problem is more with sellers rather than buyers then doesn't that make the answer to make it tougher to sell than to buy? So make it even tougher to start threads but not restrict viewing?

OutThere

Jun 16, 2006, 07:08 PM

Yeah... but if the 'scamming' problem is more with sellers rather than buyers then doesn't that make the answer to make it tougher to sell than to buy? So make it even tougher to start threads but not restrict viewing?

I could see that working. Maybe an avatar or 6 months here to start a thread. No rules on viewing threads.

unfaded

Jun 17, 2006, 11:24 PM

For a small fee - no more than 50% - I'll happily act as the middleman. Send the items to me, send the payment to me, and I'll forward each accordingly after taking my share. :cool:

I'd hate to see you take up to 50% of an iBook...

elfin buddy

Jun 18, 2006, 08:52 AM

Making the Marketplace avatar-only would probably clear up 95% of the problems, but there's also the question if it's fair to other members. For example, I've been here since 2001, yet I still don't have an avatar because I don't post too often.

If these scams keep coming like the are though, something definitely needs to be done.

elisha cuthbert

Jun 18, 2006, 09:23 AM

that feedback idea is the best idea ive ever heard

Chip NoVaMac

Jun 18, 2006, 11:46 AM

Yes. Make it only available to contributors.

I might be kidding. Or maybe not...

Actually I like this idea. A financial stake in MR would show the sincerity perhaps of the sellers.

yg17

Jun 18, 2006, 12:08 PM

That would work too, or (extreme case) you have to pay a fee (like contrib status only it could be mp status, etc) to enter/sell inside the marketplace, kind of like sitepoint's marketplace does to place an "ad".

I think it should be based off posts and how long you've been here, not how much you've contributed. If some newbie registers with the intent of scamming people and sees he can post with a donation, he may donate 20 bucks to the site or whatever the amount required is, because he's intending to scam hundreds out of people. The donation is just a slight cost of doing business. I think avatar-only should be able to post, or even read the forums.

Kwyjibo

Jun 18, 2006, 12:12 PM

Actually I like this idea. A financial stake in MR would show the sincerity perhaps of the sellers.

I have to throw this out there,

If you really want a contributor's marketplace just make one in the private forums. If you only want to sell to a contributor, you can do that pretty easily. I don't think thats a good solution for the general marketplace.

The big problem is a way to increase the reliability of the sellers while not decreasing the size of the market.

yg17

Jun 18, 2006, 12:19 PM

Actually I like this idea. A financial stake in MR would show the sincerity perhaps of the sellers.

Or a scammer can see a donation as a cost of doing business. What's 20 bucks when you plan on making hundreds?

thedude110

Jun 18, 2006, 02:06 PM

Don't mean to boast aboout my inattention, but has this been a poll since the thread started?

And if so, why is the thread not taking up the issue raised by the poll?

I think that introducing a feedback system into MR -- even in the Marketplace -- is a dreadful idea for the same reason that rating posts themselves (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=195397) is a dreadful idea.

We are not a marketplace -- we are a community bound by a common thread that happens to contain a marketplace. I worry that introducing a feedback system to one small corner of the site will create the impression that that sub-forum is more important -- or more trustworthy -- than it really is.

It seems to me that in large part we're asking the question "What is the Marketplace, and who is it for?"

To which the Marketplace Rules say:

There are other websites more specifically devoted to buying, selling, and trading computer equipment, and to tracking buyer/seller reputations. The reason we have our own Marketplace is that it provides more focus on Mac products and is convenient for members who already know each other from the other forums.

Such that:

You're not going to keep con-artists out of the marketplace. But, as others have suggested, a marriage of time registered and total posts might make for a Marketplace that more closely lives up to its mission of being a home for "members who already know each other from the forums."

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 18, 2006, 02:07 PM

Why not just close the Marketplace for good, and start a form of classified section where (long time) members, preferably just contributors, can post their hardware/software for sale (or WTB and other deals). Members who want to use the classifieds even should have to send in an application form, positively identify themselves to get permission to post in the classified section. A privilege that could be revoked for (suspected) scammers and those who seems to try to run small businesses of these boards (which never was the intention behind the marketplace, right?)

Eligible members get to post an "ad". No thread with lots of bumping and discussion, all communication between seller and potential buyers could be done using PM/IM/mail, but the seller should be able edit their original "ad" to adjust price/shipping etc. and also tag it as "sold" when done.

macEfan

Jun 18, 2006, 04:22 PM

I don't think Arn wants to charge people for using the Marketplace. its not really fair to those who don't have extra cash...

skoker

Jun 18, 2006, 05:09 PM

that feedback idea is the best idea ive ever heard

Thank you.

Don't mean to boast aboout my inattention, but has this been a poll since the thread started?

And if so, why is the thread not taking up the issue raised by the poll?

It has been a poll since I started it, and I don't know why it went off on a tangent.

Here's another idea: why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post. That way, only trustworthy people can buy/sell and it your reputation dips your access to the Marketplace is retroactively revoked?

elfin buddy

Jun 18, 2006, 05:20 PM

Members who want to use the classifieds even should have to send in an application form, positively identify themselves to get permission to post in the classified section.

I think having to fill out an application form is a bit extreme. Can you imagine the strain that would put on Mods? (or whoever has to read and approve/decline applications) I think the idea is something low-maintenence but effective.

If anything like an application were deemed necessary, perhaps having to fill out a detailed personal information form would be best. At the very least, it would make people think twice about screwing others. But then again, who's to say they don't lie?

A tricky problem indeed.

EDIT: Just caught your post, skoker. What's the deal with this vB Reputation feature? How does that work?

Blue Velvet

Jun 18, 2006, 05:24 PM

...why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post.

I suspect that feature is enabled. But for mods only.

I could be wrong but reading between the lines in various threads leads me to that conclusion... besides, why would you want to suggest this idea? Isn't that like turkeys voting for Christmas or Thanksgiving? :p

Mitthrawnuruodo

Jun 18, 2006, 05:36 PM

skoker

Jun 18, 2006, 05:59 PM

I think having to fill out an application form is a bit extreme. Can you imagine the strain that would put on Mods? (or whoever has to read and approve/decline applications) I think the idea is something low-maintenence but effective.

If anything like an application were deemed necessary, perhaps having to fill out a detailed personal information form would be best. At the very least, it would make people think twice about screwing others. But then again, who's to say they don't lie?

A tricky problem indeed.

EDIT: Just caught your post, skoker. What's the deal with this vB Reputation feature? How does that work?

Ask eva01, she's the local vB expert.

elfin buddy

Jun 18, 2006, 06:07 PM

I'm not trying to make it easier for potential merchants... ;)

Haha, of course you aren't! But you're sure not making it any easier on the mods either :p ;)

Ask eva01, she's the local vB expert.

Righto, hopefully she'll come by on her own eventually.

amacgenius

Jun 18, 2006, 06:07 PM

Ask eva01, she's the local vB expert.

:rolleyes: You're a Demi-God, you've been here for months, and you still don't know that eva01 is NOT a girl!?

*tsk tsk*

eva01

Jun 18, 2006, 06:16 PM

Reputation works this way.

Lets say you make a post

Someone thinks it is a great post they will click the reputation icon to add to your reputation

If they don't like it they can choose the disapprove reputation and it will come off your reputation.

It would include another image underneath everyones avatar.

This would show how trustworthy or intelligent someone is with their posts, or how untrustworthy or stupid someone is (don't yell at me for the choice of words i make here it is generic)

Administrators can change the level of reputation and everything. Basically if you just had it for the marketplace and not for people's posts you could tell how worthy they are to make a deal with for a computer or some other random device etc. etc.

Attached are images of which i mean

First Image: Admin Picture of reputation stuff
Second Image: Picture of reputation clickable icon
Third Image: What you would go to after you click previous icon
Fourth Image: Picture of what generic Reputation looks like (default vB) Someone with more reputation will have more green icons there

FYI: images are from my site where i just turned on reputation to give this walkthrough. No i do not use reputation on my own site

EDIT: Second Image is under the other three since it is not needed as a thumbnail (just found a feature of vB i don't like :P)

iGary

Jun 18, 2006, 06:18 PM

:rolleyes: You're a Demi-God, you've been here for months, and you still don't know that eva01 is NOT a girl!?

*tsk tsk*

Smoker's a couple of french fries short of a Happy Meal. :rolleyes:

Kwyjibo

Jun 18, 2006, 06:29 PM

Smoker's a couple of french fries short of a Happy Meal. :rolleyes:

mmmm thats good satire (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=182629)

bousozoku

Jun 18, 2006, 06:30 PM

...
Here's another idea: why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post. That way, only trustworthy people can buy/sell and it your reputation dips your access to the Marketplace is retroactively revoked?

Maybe, because you wouldn't be able to post anymore. :p

skoker

Jun 18, 2006, 06:51 PM

:rolleyes: You're a Demi-God, you've been here for months, and you still don't know that eva01 is NOT a girl!?

*tsk tsk*

I like to default to 'she' for objects/people that don't have/I don't know the gender.

Although this was a rather inopportune time to default.

Smoker's a couple of french fries short of a Happy Meal.

At least I know what a 'through passenger' is :p

Maybe, because you wouldn't be able to post anymore.

Nor would you, if you were a normal iCollar member. :p

amacgenius

Jun 18, 2006, 06:55 PM

mmmm thats good satire (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=182629)

L.O.L. I totally forgot about that thread, that was quite funny during that time.

thedude110

Jun 18, 2006, 07:33 PM

It has been a poll since I started it, and I don't know why it went off on a tangent.

It went "off on a tangent" because your first post has nothing to do with the content of your poll. You started a discussion about whether the Marketplace needs "reform," but used the poll feature to propose a specific reform sans discussion.

Here's another idea: why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post. That way, only trustworthy people can buy/sell and it your reputation dips your access to the Marketplace is retroactively revoked?

Very good reasons not to enable reputation can be found here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=167196) and in the thread I've already linked you to (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=195397). I'd rather develop my own opinion of someone's reputation, not have my opinion imposed upon me by you or any other set of users.

I guess we can have the reputation conversation again, but it seems like we're chasing our tail.

And it certainly seems like it should be happening in a thread whose clear mission is to discuss feedback systems and reputations, not "general reform."

bousozoku

Jun 18, 2006, 07:35 PM

...
Nor would you, if you were a normal iCollar member. :p

You were talking about vBulletin's reputation system. I've seen them. :D

stonyc

Jun 19, 2006, 09:42 AM

In terms of feedback systems, there are already several available to use... eBay, heatware, etc. While those are not perfect systems themselves, what would make anyone think that a feedback system implemented on MR would be any more immune to fraud?

It seems like people are looking to MR, arn and the mods to, in a way, mediate marketplace transactions... that isn't their job. Like someone else mentioned, MR is a community-based site that happens to have a marketplace.

technicolor

Jun 19, 2006, 10:26 AM

skoker

Jun 19, 2006, 11:24 AM

stonyc

Jun 19, 2006, 11:25 AM

A feedback system is very easily implimented...on another board where I post there is just a running thread..

one called good reports
one called bad reports

where users can report their feedback

that would take no effort from arn but to start 2 posts and sticky them to the top of the forumsAgain...

How would that be any less susceptible to fraud than any of the other feedback systems that are already available? That, and eBay and heatware feedback is just as readily available and even easier for the mods and arn to maintain/implement.

The best anti-fraud/feedback system is not to sell to people that you don't know... and if you don't know the person you're selling to/buying from, there are feedback systems already available that you can reference should you choose to do business with this unknown person.

amacgenius

Jun 19, 2006, 11:26 AM

Ah-men.

Some members have already setup unofficial systems, like amacgenius

Yeah, and that got negative feedback from people because it was stupid apparently.

It's still archived here if MR wants to use it:
http://amacgenius.com/portfolio/mr/

:rolleyes:.

skoker

Jun 19, 2006, 11:27 AM

Again...

How would that be any less susceptible to fraud than any of the other feedback systems that are already available? That, and eBay and heatware feedback is just as readily available and even easier for the mods and arn to maintain/implement.

The best anti-fraud/feedback system is not to sell to people that you don't know... and if you don't know the person you're selling to/buying from, there are feedback systems already available that you can reference should you choose to do business with this unknown person.

How could that be frauded, exactly?

stonyc

Jun 19, 2006, 12:07 PM

How could that be frauded, exactly?Multiple user accounts?

EDIT: No system is fool-proof.. if someone is determined to cheat you, they'll find a way to cheat you. There is an inherent amount of risk when conducting transactions online with people that you don't know... even with people you thought you knew. How are two stickied posts in the marketplace going to reduce that risk?

Spanky Deluxe

Jun 19, 2006, 12:40 PM

technicolor

Jun 19, 2006, 12:45 PM

skoker

Jun 19, 2006, 12:46 PM

How are two stickied posts in the marketplace going to reduce that risk?

First off, the mods can see really easily if somebody has more than one account, you just check the IP address records.

Secondly, how could two stickied threads hurt?

stonyc

Jun 19, 2006, 01:07 PM

First off, the mods can see really easily if somebody has more than one account, you just check the IP address records.

Secondly, how could two stickied threads hurt?Firstly, it can be done (given enough determination).. say, registering a second account from a friend's house, or the library, or perhaps at a university.

Secondly, I'm not saying they'll hurt, I'm asking how much they'll help.

Because I want to hear feedback from other MR users not ebay, which is easy to have multiple accounts on.What's wrong with heatware?

stonyc

Jun 19, 2006, 01:09 PM

I'm really quite surprised that the market place here is so open. A 100 post requirement to even view the market place is desperately needed imo. Maybe even the avatar level required. I'd be a lot more comfortable dealing with known members of the community.That's fine, and I wouldn't be averse to such requirements... just know that no amount of rules and feedback systems will ever guarantee 100% anti-fraud protection.

jsw

Jun 19, 2006, 01:23 PM

First off, the mods can see really easily if somebody has more than one account, you just check the IP address records.
As alluded to above, this is easy to circumvent. From the comfort of my home, with varying degrees of ease, I could log in with at least four IPs. My broadband one, a dial-up one (now that VOIP is working again), one through work, and one through a friend's server. Any of those would be trivial, and that's just me. Wardriving would allow someone access to as many as they'd like.

Macmaniac

Jun 19, 2006, 02:44 PM

I think a feedback system is a great idea. I have seen it used on other vB forums to good effect. It would also be handy when handing out techno advice, that way a newbie would be able to see how experienced someone is when it comes to tech problems.

tobefirst

Jun 19, 2006, 04:30 PM

One thing I'm waiting to see is a thread in the Marketplace where the seller specifies who they are comfortable selling to or buying from. Say, "I will only sell to avatar'd members." I don't see (m)any of those, but for those weary of the marketplace, it would make sense on an individual basis.

thedude110

Jun 19, 2006, 05:03 PM

Secondly, how could two stickied threads hurt?

Because they would violate the fundamental spirit of the Marketplace as it was designed:

"The reason we have our own Marketplace is that it provides more focus on Mac products and is convenient for members who already know each other from the other forums."

A feedback system presumes a membership that doesn't know each other -- or argues for a much larger Marketplace than MR currently supports.

technicolor

Jun 19, 2006, 05:23 PM

Because they would violate the fundamental spirit of the Marketplace as it was designed:

"The reason we have our own Marketplace is that it provides more focus on Mac products and is convenient for members who already know each other from the other forums."

A feedback system presumes a membership that doesn't know each other -- or argues for a much larger Marketplace than MR currently supports.
So you rather play pretend than face facts.

How many members post here, and you think everyone will know each other?

umm okay

imacintel

Jun 19, 2006, 06:07 PM

That would work too, or (extreme case) you have to pay a fee (like contrib status only it could be mp status, etc) to enter/sell inside the marketplace, kind of like sitepoint's marketplace does to place an "ad".
That is going a bit to far.

That is nearly like putting in the rules:
You can sell things in Market Place, but for 5 days you will be banned.

thedude110

Jun 19, 2006, 07:39 PM

So you rather play pretend than face facts.

How many members post here, and you think everyone will know each other?

umm okay

What you characterize as "playing pretend" I would call living by the spirit of the community. We're a community first and a marketplace second.

And if we have become so large that you don't know who to trust (and I don't think we have), then the Marketplace should be scrapped or limited to members who have posted enough/been registered long enough to know a few names and faces.

I'm done repeating myself.

technicolor

Jun 19, 2006, 07:56 PM

What you characterize as "playing pretend" I would call living by the spirit of the community. We're a community first and a marketplace second.

And if we have become so large that you don't know who to trust (and I don't think we have), then the Marketplace should be scrapped or limited to members who have posted enough/been registered long enough to know a few names and faces.

I'm done repeating myself.

the marketplace being restricted
isnt a bad idea

and it says on the front page that this board has more than 70K registered users.....
im sure some are dupes, inactives, or never post....

that is still alot of members
who could potentially utilize the marketplace
more than enough
for the knowing each other clause to be moot at this point

rdowns

Jun 19, 2006, 08:17 PM

At least I know what a 'through passenger' is :p

That was hysterical.

Up Yours ™

rdowns

Jun 19, 2006, 08:26 PM

Yeah, and that got negative feedback from people because it was stupid apparently.

It's still archived here if MR wants to use it:
http://amacgenius.com/portfolio/mr/

:rolleyes:.

No, it got negative feedback because you originally had a MR logo on the page and made it appear as if it were a MR sanctioned list.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=173520&highlight=feedback