13" macbook pro

[AudiGuy]

hey guys. i want to get an intel macbook pro but i want somthing like my 12"g4 or smaller. do you think apple will make a 12" or 13" macbook pro soon? i dont like the macbooks and the pros are too big.

[comictimes]

I sorta doubt it... weren't they saying after the realease of the 17" that "the macbook pro family is now complete" or something?

Maybe I'm completely wrong but that's my thought on it.

[macgeek2005]

Unfortunetly, Apple, in it's stupidity, decided to stop selling the one laptop that sold 20 units for every 1 17" laptop that sold.

[LittleJoe]

hey guys. i want to get an intel macbook pro but i want somthing like my 12"g4 or smaller. do you think apple will make a 12" or 13" macbook pro soon? i dont like the macbooks and the pros are too big.
Apple is confident that anyone that really wants a SMALL laptop bad enough will find the MacBook (13") well suited to satisfy their needs at a very reasonable price, so I highly highly doubt youll see a 13" mbp

[w_parietti22]

hey guys. i want to get an intel macbook pro but i want somthing like my 12"g4 or smaller. do you think apple will make a 12" or 13" macbook pro soon? i dont like the macbooks and the pros are too big.

Nope. Apple mixed the lines together and IMO the high-end MB is good enough. If they made a 13" MBP it would basically be the same thing in a silver case. There's no point.

[T-Stex]

It's not going to happen. There's not a big enough gap between the top of the line MacBook, and the specs for a 13" MacBook Pro. Plus, all the ads talk about the laptop line being complete. I wouldn't expect one any time soon.

[Maxiseller]

The thing is; being logical about it, there really is no need for a 13 inch MBP. Or if there is a need, it's not a massive market.

I personally applaud Apple for putting the best they have into a small consumer machine. They have very cleverly managed to avoid the whole "arggghhh, the ibook is catching up to the powerbook" situation by defining clear roles for the respective units.

If you're a pro: You need a graphics card...you need a big screen - BAM! there you have it.

If you're a consumer: You need consumerish things: email, web, office etc...you don't need a graphics card - BAM! Save Loads and buy a strong machine that will outlive most XP/Vista portables in sheer longevity.

The only people who suffer are gamers. My answer (although I love a little C & C generals) is that if you love games, buy a MBP. It really is that simple!

[Josias]

Why would you wanna 13" MBP? What would it be? Same processor, RAM 'n sh*t. It would be in a silvercase, have a backlit keyboard, and perhaps a 64 MB X1600. So? What would you need it for? The MB has overall nearly same performance benchmarks as MBP. BTW, they won't, proven here (http://www.apple.com/macbook/). "Meet the family, now complete".

[codo]

If the black MacBook had a dedicated GPU - that would fix all problems.

[Killyp]

Like a small MacBook pro then? Wouldn't all us MacBook Pro owners be kinder annoyed that we just spent £1500 and up on a laptop when you can get virtually the same thing for £750, but smaller?

[yah00z]

if there was a 13.3 inch MBP with a better video card than the current MB, and a case that does not stain after two weeks, i would have probably purchased one. instead i went with the 2.16 15 inch MBP with 256 ATi x1600, 2 GIG RAM and the 100 GIG 7200.

I like the MBP case much, much better.

[Spanky Deluxe]

As long as there is no macbook with a dedicated graphics card I don't think the MacBook replaced the 12" PB.

They should make a 13" MBP as the 12" PB should always have been, a decent graphics card with dual link out, a 7200rpm drive, dual layer superdrive, no border around the border of the screen, i.e. like the 15" and 17" mbps, backlit keyboard.

I'd buy that in a heartbeat!

[codo]

Like a small MacBook pro then? Wouldn't all us MacBook Pro owners be kinder annoyed that we just spent £1500 and up on a laptop when you can get virtually the same thing for £750, but smaller?

Not at all - There are other "features" that differentiate the two product lines. I won’t buy an MBP simply because it’s too big - I want a smallish laptop that just slides into my backpack with enough power to run Final Cut on an external monitor when I’m editing. Arguably the MacBook does this, but it’s not ideal with its integrated graphics. So if I want a Mac laptop, sorry "notebook", either way I go, I won’t be 100% happy with the product, which is a shame. Torn.

Buying a MacBook in early September... *crosses fingers* Come on Apple, give me my GPU!

[BlizzardBomb]

Unfortunetly, Apple, in it's stupidity, decided to stop selling the one laptop that sold 20 units for every 1 17" laptop that sold.

You got any proof for this claim?

[codo]

You got any proof for this claim?

His eyes. My eyes. Everyone's eyes. We all see more 12"ers than 17"ers around the place. Certainly, I know many students with a 12" PowerBook, but no one with a 17".

[McBain]

The "Family now complete" thing makes me think there won't be one, but that makes me sad. I have a 12" Powerbook and I love it. I bought my fiancee a 13" MacBook and even though I can see it's faster than my computer in every way, I still prefer this.

Why? I think it comes down to the smaller form factor, the lower weight and the keyboard. I absolutely love this keyboard.

I would love a MacBook Pro at 13" - or even smaller.

[Flowbee]

His eyes. My eyes. Everyone's eyes. We all see more 12"ers than 17"ers around the place. Certainly, I know many students with a 12" PowerBook, but no one with a 17".

Maybe you see more of them "around the palce" because the 12-inch is more portable... hmmm? If you have a 17-incher, you probably wont want to bring it to class and Starbucks every day.

[codo]

Maybe you see more of them "around the palce" because the 12-inch is more portable... hmmm? If you want to bring your notebook to class and Starbucks every day, you're not going to buy the 17-incher.

Obviously - But that’s my experience. Can you say honestly you know more people with 17 than 12?

[Flowbee]

Obviously - But that’s my experience. Can you say honestly you know more people with 17 than 12?

Yes.

[mkrishnan]

His eyes. My eyes. Everyone's eyes. We all see more 12"ers than 17"ers around the place. Certainly, I know many students with a 12" PowerBook, but no one with a 17".

20x sounds hard to believe, but I think it's widely believed that the 12" was the largest seller in the family. I don't know about the iBook, although I see predominantly 12" ones.... But then again a 12" iBook could be a G3 or a G4, right, whereas a 14" one is only a G4?

[codo]

Yes.

I want to believe you, I find it hard, but I will.

Even if I am wrong, hasn’t Apple always "prided" its self in education and made up a large proportion of its market share and profit.

If students want a 13" MBP, we should get :p Apple should makes computers its customers want, not what it thinks we want. Many of us have demanding graphic needs, and crave portability. It’s not a crime to want a product to suit both, nor should we feel guilty about being annoyed Apple aren’t providing – Apple is not a charity.


20x sounds hard to believe, but I think it's widely believed that the 12" was the largest seller in the family.

Forgive me; I wasn’t suggesting 20x was an accurate figure. I was implying that I feel the 12" model is more popular.

[batman123]

Yes.

lol told him.

I personally believe that they will not bring in a 13" mbp because of the complete family thing, and because the macbook and pro are now even closer together specs wise.

I do however wish that they would lol ;) That would be the end to all my decisions (macbook or pro...:confused: ) You see i need to carry a smallish notebook around all day and use it on a limited space (school u see ;) ) but i need the power to edit photos, play the occasional, but high powered, game (cough - quake 4) and handle alot of data for school, photos and music. So, what i really need is a smaller Pro.

Shame it wont happen...:( so i will probably have to just cope with the extra size and slight exess in weight for the pro... :)

Batman. :D

[codo]

That would be the end to all my decisions (macbook or pro...:confused: ) You see i need to carry a smallish notebook around all day and use it on a limited space (school u see ;) ) but i need the power to edit photos, play the occasional, but high powered, game (cough - quake 4) and handle alot of data for school, photos and music. So, what i really need is a smaller Pro.

Exactly! Give us our 13" Pro!

[dongmin]

I want a smallish laptop that just slides into my backpack with enough power to run Final Cut on an external monitor when I’m editing. Arguably the MacBook does this, but it’s not ideal with its integrated graphics.Everyone mentions the integrated graphics has the back breaker, but there are very few instances where the IG really cripples the performance of the MB. Benchmarks show that the graphics hardware makes ZERO difference when it comes to FCP.

http://creativemac.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=43717

Even with 3D apps where you'd expect the discrete graphics to give you a big boost, the advantage is minimal.

http://creativemac.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=45392#

Remember that the 12" PowerBook never had the best graphics hardware either. It lagged behind the 15" and 17" PowerBooks and was only marginally better than the 12" iBooks.

I agree that the PowerBooks were nicer, with the aluminum finish, backlit keyboard, etc. But as far as performance and functionality is concerned, I just don't see how a pro 13" would really differentiate itself from the cheaper consumer version.

Now, since we have 17", 15", and 13" laptops, I wouldn't mind seeing a 11" subnote. The MacBooks are an improvement over the iBooks in almost every way except for the larger form factor. Seeing how packed in the insides are, Apple probably didn't have much of a choice. But I'd like to see Apple introduce a 11" subnote (with a 1028 x 768 display) that maybe takes out the optical drive and uses a smaller battery to get at the smaller form factor. Give it an aluminum finish and market it to the Road Warriors as the ultimate complement to your desktops, as opposed to a desktop replacement which the MacBooks basically are.

[Spanky Deluxe]

I certainly see way more 12" PBs than their bigger brethren, even the 15" PBs and that's had a longer life than the 12"ers.

I don't know anyone in RL who would even consider a 17" MBP. Some like the idea of getting a 15" MBP but of those half only say that because there isn't a smaller MBP and the 15 will have to do.
Its the integrated graphics and the cheaper build that put most people I know off the MacBooks. The girls love them but the guys want to play games. I mean they want to play current games at decent framerates and they want to be able to play next year's games. The MB may be ok for the occasional non FPS dependant game such as WoW but anything more and it can't keep up. By 'cheaper build' above I don't mean that they're actually built with cheap stuff, I mean that they feel cheaper. The keyboard feels cheap (I'm not talking about how good or not good it is, I'm talking about how it feels) and there's just too much plastic around the place. The MBPs have a very thin border around the lcd panel whereas the MBs have quite a thick border, just like cheap widescreen Dell laptops with smaller screens built into chassis that can take larger ones.
Also I know a good number of people that would simply prefer it in aluminium. They're fashion conscious students and the alu look is simply way more bling. Funnily enough I don't know a single person that's liked a black MB in the flesh. They all thought it reminded them of a cheap old computer from back in the day. :S

[generik]

Unfortunetly, Apple, in it's stupidity, decided to stop selling the one laptop that sold 20 units for every 1 17" laptop that sold.

Nah, they did the sums, they realise that switching to plastic will yield them more profit$ out of these said 20.

[Dr_Maybe]

Yes.

Me too.

[HckySo]

I personally thought the 12" PowerBooks were adorable. If I was a college student looking for the right small laptop and the MacBook Pro was 13" I would buy it because of the looks and the case. With my old PowerBook I was not half as afraid I am to hurt this MacBook.

[DevilsRejection]

personally i hope they offer an 11 inch macbook that's even smaller

5.2 pounds is freaking RIDICULOUS

[doctor pangloss]

, I wouldn't mind seeing a 11" subnote.

I love my 12"PB for the size and sweet keyboard. I also have a 12" ibook and while it's certainly a fine computer it's bulkier than the 12"PB.
Both are a little bulkier than I'd prefer. I carry the PB around a lot.
I think there's a market for a 10-11" sub-notebook.
A friend of mine has a Nokia 9300i (http://www.nokia-asia.com/nokia/0,,79527,00.html) cell phone that essentially a subnote but it's too small and the keyboard tiny. Very slick unit none the less.
I think some kind of Ipod/subnote/cellphone might be on the horizon.

[Demon Hunter]

I love my MacBook, but it's nearly as big as the old 15" TiBook! Besides that, the notebook line is perfect...

[celebrian23]

If I had a dollar for every one of these threads I could have quite a good start on my nintendo ds fund :)

[lord patton]

It's not going to happen. There's not a big enough gap between the top of the line MacBook, and the specs for a 13" MacBook Pro. Plus, all the ads talk about the laptop line being complete. I wouldn't expect one any time soon.

True, there isn't room to differentiate between an MB and a MBP at 13". Yet.

When Merom comes out, as well as the new Intel integrated graphics (GMA 965, I think it's called), there will be plenty of room.

It's anyone's guess as to whether it would happen, but if it was my call, on the day that Merom ships (and Yonah's price drops), we'd see this line-up

15" and 17" MBPs get the Merom.
13" MacBooks don't, but drop $100 in price.
new 13" MBP with Merom and higher end graphics (still integrated, though).

Apple chose not to throw the lowest Yonahs into the MB, and that's probably good. But once Intel brings out the next gen, there will be plenty of room to differentiate 13" MB and MBPs.

(Actually, MBs wouldn't drop price under any scenario before the college free iPod deal ends in September).

[unixfool]

Funnily enough I don't know a single person that's liked a black MB in the flesh. They all thought it reminded them of a cheap old computer from back in the day. :S

I know quite a few who do like the black MB. I myself would have opted for one but...read my sig. :)

I observed a few at the local Apple store. They definitely didn't look cheap or old. How many old lappies do you see that are so small in length X width X height? Or is it the color? I dunno, but I can't remember the last time I saw a modern BLACK thin 13" notebook, especially from Apple.

[Stampyhead]

If I had a dollar for every one of these threads I could have quite a good start on my nintendo ds fund :)
Maybe more threads like this will show Apple that people really want a 13" MBP. I love my 12" Powerbook and I'm very sad that it won't be updated like the rest of them were. It's great because I can plug it into a monitor while at home and have a decent sized computer, and also have an ultra portable laptop for when I travel. Sure the Macbook is a good machine, but the truth is I don't want a plastic computer. Although the chances aren't great, I'm hoping that someday Apple will change their mind and bring back the laptop for people that need professional level computing power in a smaller form factor.

[dornoforpyros]

a 1024 x 768 resolution is horrible, I think we've seen the last of that resolution from apple....unless they get it onto an iPod :p

[stunna]

arent all the new mac laptops one inch thick?

[solaris]

arent all the new mac laptops one inch thick?
Nope, they are both over one inch thick:
MacBook -> Height: 1.08 inches (2.75 cm)
MacBook Pro -> Height: 1.02 inches (2.59 cm)

1.0 inch = 2.54 cm. :p

[batman123]

I dunno, but I can't remember the last time I saw a modern BLACK thin 13" notebook, especially from Apple.

Sony Vaio S Series, now that was a damn sexy machine, also with a 13.3" and now there is the even more sexy SZ Series. So there you have it, thin, wide and black. I love those Vaios...:rolleyes:

Anyway, im not slating Mac, they beat Vaio in almost every respect. But we do need a smaller MBP, im not saying that a 11" subnotebook wouln't be great but, what i am after requires a smaller that 15.4" screen like a 13.3" but without the MAHOOSIVE border which is pants :( Know waht im talking bout...;)

Batman.

[YS2003]

I just wish MB at least sport the PC card slot as that would increase the expandability (such as WAN card). I also like how Apple designed the upgradability for Ram and Hard Drive for MB as it seems it is very easy to do so almost by anyone with normal intelligence.

By the way, I saw the white pull strip when you pull out the OEM hard drive from MB. When you install the new hard drive, how do you attach that white strip? Is it attached to the OEM hard drive with glue? Is so, how do you take care of that part? I think if you just push in the new HD, it may be difficult to pull it out with that pull strip.

[jamesi]

hey guys. i want to get an intel macbook pro but i want somthing like my 12"g4 or smaller. do you think apple will make a 12" or 13" macbook pro soon? i dont like the macbooks and the pros are too big.

it will never happen

[codo]

it will never happen

How can you possibly say that?

Do some searching and you will find the very same being said about Apple moving to Intel processors or using Integrated Graphics.

There are few occasions when the word "never" can be used when predicting the future - Especially with technology. If there is a market, and there clearly is (Hello Apple?!?), then they would be pretty stupid not to fill it.

[batman123]

How can you possibly say that?

Do some searching and you will find the very same being said about Apple moving to Intel processors or using Integrated Graphics.

There are few occasions when the word "never" can be used when predicting the future - Especially with technology. If there is a market, and there clearly is (Hello Apple?!?), then they would be pretty stupid not to fill it.

Well said Codo :D
Yes...hello apple, we all want it so build it! :rolleyes:

[lexus]

short answer = NO

[Voidness]

Everyone mentions the integrated graphics has the back breaker, but there are very few instances where the IG really cripples the performance of the MB. Benchmarks show that the graphics hardware makes ZERO difference when it comes to FCP.
Very few instances? Maybe, but actually they are important ones, like when the UI on my old iBook is smoother than the one on a 2 month old MacBook (Dashboard, Exposé, etc), and when the GMA offloads all the work it's supposed to do to the CPU.

The reason why the Macbook is on par with the Macbook Pro in terms of rendering speed despite the integrated graphics, is simply because those applications are not designed to use the GPU for rendering. Any task that requires full GPU acceleration will the Macbook lag behind miserably.

Remember that the 12" PowerBook never had the best graphics hardware either. It lagged behind the 15" and 17" PowerBooks and was only marginally better than the 12" iBooks.
Actually, no, the last iBook had a better GPU than the 12" Powerbook.

Anyhow, I personally expect Apple to release a small Macbook Pro, even though they said "The Family, Now Complete". But we're talking about the same company that said: "Don't expect a video capable iPod anytime soon", and "We're not going Intel", and so forth :)

(I know all my post is purely subjective, with no tangible proof for my claims. But I'm quite sure of everything I said :p )

[tekmoe]

Who says a new child cannot be born?

I would really, really, really love to own a small 13" MacBook Pro. I went to the Apple store last night and I had the mindset of wanting to purchase a black MacBook. After looking at them for a good 15 minutes, I decided I just can't pull myself away from the sexy design of the PowerBook/MacBook Pro. The MacBook just looks cheap compared to a MacBook Pro. Sorry to say it but it really does. I've owned 4 PowerBooks during my Mac days and each one has totally womped all over the iBooks.

In the end, I may just end up purchasing another 12" PowerBook if I can find one at a closeout price. The current 12" I have was taken from me by my adorable girlfriend. :(

[Silentwave]

it would be nice.... it may be 13" or smaller and it may run hot as a pizza oven, but it would be nice. Apple doesn't have the chips to differentiate adequately at this point but you neever know, with Merom around the corner they will have the ability.....

[emotion]

I think it's unlikely that Apple will step into another 12" ibook/powerbook situation again and produce a 13" macbook pro.

I do think that they might end up producing a 11.1" ws macbook pro at some point. I think there is definitely a market for it.

I'm currently looking for a replacement for my 12" pbook but the black macbook isn't quite there for me (close but not quite and the price premium for the same spec as white is a little silly).

[bbrosemer]

I think it's unlikely that Apple will step into another 12" ibook/powerbook situation again and produce a 13" macbook pro.

I do think that they might end up producing a 11.1" ws macbook pro at some point. I think there is definitely a market for it.

I'm currently looking for a replacement for my 12" pbook but the black macbook isn't quite there for me (close but not quite and the price premium for the same spec as white is a little silly).
Where would the keys go.

[emotion]

Where would the keys go.

In front of the screen like other ultraportables.

[dongmin]

In front of the screen like other ultraportables.This is something you'd have to compromise for the compact form factor. The 12" iBook had a full-size keyboard which took up the full width. So you'd have to scale down the keys or makes the end keys (tab, caps, shift, etc.) less wide.

[Over Achiever]

This is something you'd have to compromise for the compact form factor. The 12" iBook had a full-size keyboard which took up the full width. So you'd have to scale down the keys or makes the end keys (tab, caps, shift, etc.) less wide.Not so if it's an 11.1" WIDE screen display =)

[wmmk]

Not so if it's an 11.1" WIDE screen display =)
good idea!
i wanna 11" widescreen MBP ultraportable with mereom SO BAD:D

[milozauckerman]

If Apple goes the sub-notebook route, they should try to nail the tablet market. No one's come out with the 'killer app' in that realm and everyone I know would love to have one. Students who'd like to carry a MacTab to class and take handwritten notes directly into iWork, raise your hand. Sooner or later the iPod bubble will burst, innovate some more.



I could see Apple altering the MacBook lineup a little bit, in two ways:

differentiating the BlackBook further from its fellows (to justify the surcharge) - optional matte screen (PLEASE), discrete graphics, 1 512MB SO-DIMM stock.

or

offering the the black throughout the MB line, and simply offering a top-shelf MB with those features.

[emotion]

This is something you'd have to compromise for the compact form factor. The 12" iBook had a full-size keyboard which took up the full width. So you'd have to scale down the keys or makes the end keys (tab, caps, shift, etc.) less wide.

Obviously. Fine by me. It's not like other ultraportables don't exist.

[batman123]

Stop talking about an 11.1 incher...it would be nice, but the thread is bout the 13" which would be soooo much better and more usefull...:rolleyes:

BTW- I also do think that a tablet would be a fab idea from apple. As said, not many companies make decent tablets...so...apple...

Batman.

[emotion]

Stop talking about an 11.1 incher...it would be nice, but the thread is bout the 13" which would be soooo much better and more usefull...:rolleyes:

We're saying a 13" mbp is highly unlikely and a 11.1 is more probable. That's all.

[amin]

I want a small MB Pro. I want a graphics card, backlit keyboard, etc. I had a 12" PB before my current 15" PB, and I miss the portability. I don't want to settle in any way as a result of having a smaller model. I never did like that the 12" PB was crippled. I'd be happy to pay $2500+ (academic pricing) for a smaller MB Pro with all the goodies. As soon as something like this comes out, I'm buying it. If it doesn't come out soon, I will have to make a difficult decision between continuing to lug around a big MBP or the feature-limited MB :(.

[JackSYi]

I want a small MB Pro. I want a graphics card, backlit keyboard, etc. I had a 12" PB before my current 15" PB, and I miss the portability. I don't want to settle in any way as a result of having a smaller model. I never did like that the 12" PB was crippled. I'd be happy to pay $2500+ (academic pricing) for a smaller MB Pro with all the goodies. As soon as something like this comes out, I'm buying it. If it doesn't come out soon, I will have to make a difficult decision between continuing to lug around a big MBP or the feature-limited MB :(.

I completely agree with you. I would be more than happy to pay the money for a smaller MBP.

[OutThere]

Even if the family is complete, no protection is 100%, right? There are always mistakes. :p ;)

I don't care about the lighted keyboard, the PC card slot, digital audio out...whatever.

I want a tiny-ass, metal laptop with a dedicated graphics card.

For me it's all about portability, but I've had both a powerbook and an iBook and the metal of the powerbook is infinitely nicer to use than on the iBook.

Also, tablets are a joke and Apple really shouldn't bother with them. I'd rather see further R&D on current and other products than bothering with a tablet.