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MacRumors
Feb 27, 2003, 05:44 AM
This Appleinsider thread (http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=003103) reports on a blurb posted on Apple's traning site (Learn and Earn). In this blurb, an Apple "iShot" Digital Camera is mentioned. SpyMac (http://www.spymac.com/comments.php?id=339_0_5_0_C) posts a quote:

"iLife is a fully integrated solution for digital media and includes:
Apple software for projects containing digital music, digital photographs, digital video editing and DVD production. With the iPod, the Apple iShot digital camera and the new Apple SuperDrive..."



Niknar
Feb 27, 2003, 05:56 AM
Wooohhooo!

A 40GB, Firewire 800 Camera would be nice :-)

I have been waiting for a Apple Camera for a long time.

Stike
Feb 27, 2003, 06:00 AM
Could it be? A digital camera from Apple? Maybe with Firewire? Integrated HD? iPod-Design???

I am not sure what to think of this...

mangoman
Feb 27, 2003, 06:08 AM
I'll buy.

Let me guess, like the new iPods, it's gonna get release "NEXT TUESDAY!"

:D

MrMacMan
Feb 27, 2003, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by mangoman
I'll buy.

Let me guess, like the new iPods, it's gonna get release "NEXT TUESDAY!"

:D

No nono. It is supposto be release 'LAST PAST TUESDAY'.
hehe.

It will come... maybe.

FelixDerKater
Feb 27, 2003, 07:36 AM
I don't know about that name. It sound slike some sort of vaccine.

It might be good if they collaborated with Canon on the design/features. It would also be nice if the HD were removable, so if you fill that up, you can swap it out for another.

synp
Feb 27, 2003, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by Niknar
Wooohhooo!

A 40GB, Firewire 800 Camera would be nice :-)

I have been waiting for a Apple Camera for a long time.

Why? Apple would use a stock lens from Canon, a stock sensor from Sony, some nice-looking plastic of its own design and firmware from the sensor mfg. What's good about that?

This would be an extreme low-end camera (2-3MP) with a low-end lens. Anybody with real interest in photography would buy something else. I just don't see Apple producing a better camera than Nikon, Canon, Olympus or Sony.

iJon
Feb 27, 2003, 07:49 AM
dont get to excited. apple learn and earn does this alot to see if you really know your apple stuff, of course in this situation the ishot wouldnt exsist. this could be a mistake and be real, or they just be testing use learners to see if apple really makes a product like this. should be interesting.

iJon

DaveGee
Feb 27, 2003, 08:13 AM
One thing that seems strange...

(from the quote)

"Apple software for projects containing digital music, digital photographs, digital video editing and DVD production. With the iPod, the Apple iShot digital camera and the new Apple SuperDrive..."

With the iPod.
The Apple iShot digital camera
and the new Apple SuperDrive...

1 - why isn't the page calling it 'Apple iPod'
2 - why is the 'Apple SuperDrive' billed as new and the Apple iShot digital camera not?

Yea there could be any number of reasons for this but it seems kinda strange when you re-read it.

Also I've yet to see the FULL TEXT of that page... was it in the form of a QUIZ and this was just one of a number of multiple choice answers (this one being a WRONG answer)? I dunno...

Dave

moosecat
Feb 27, 2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by synp
Why? Apple would use a stock lens from Canon, a stock sensor from Sony, some nice-looking plastic of its own design and firmware from the sensor mfg. What's good about that?

This would be an extreme low-end camera (2-3MP) with a low-end lens. Anybody with real interest in photography would buy something else. I just don't see Apple producing a better camera than Nikon, Canon, Olympus or Sony.

As a film and digital photography buff, I agree. Apple has already given us software that makes virtually any digital camera incredibly easy-to-use with the Mac -- I can't imagine what an Apple camera would bring to the table. It would likely be a competent, stylish, but ultimately typical digital camera that might generate a tiny share of a huge market dominated by long-time imaging companies.

Right now, I can choose from any number of extremely high-quality cameras from established photography companies, and use it effortlessly with my Mac. Why would I want this to change?

The digital camera market is so well developed now, at all pricing and quality tiers, that Apple won't be able to establish a foothold with elegance or sleekness (a la iPod -- which emerged in a far younger and less well-developed market).

Apple has probably missed its chance to grab a meaningful share of the camera market.

<Prepares to extract foot from mouth when Apple releases something amazing and innovative.>

johnalex731
Feb 27, 2003, 08:34 AM
Need I remind everyone that apple had prviously sold their own digital cameras? I actually have one of the windows versions of the camera at my disposal. It's kind neat. I post a pic asap

Le Big Mac
Feb 27, 2003, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by moosecat
. . . .
The digital camera market is so well developed now, at all pricing and quality tiers, that Apple won't be able to establish a foothold with elegance or sleekness (a la iPod -- which emerged in a far younger and less well-developed market).

. . .



I fully agree. What can apple offer in this field? It's not going to get into manufacturing hardware, and a digicam's software is basically irrelevant (that is, apple couldn't add value to what a digital camera has). So, at most you'd end up with a repackaged sony or canon digicam, or a strapped-together camera using components from various manufacturers. Such an item would be DOA.

It's far from the ipod which was, and is still, innovative. While expensive, it's still the best large-capacity MP3 player. Compare that to Apple's abandonment of printers. They realized it was better to leave that to HP, Epson, and the rest.

FelixDerKater
Feb 27, 2003, 08:46 AM
The biggest problem is getting a quality product with at least 3MP or 4MP resolution, adding the HD, and still keeping the cost low enough for the target market.

.a
Feb 27, 2003, 09:40 AM
...and then i would be happy, if they rewrite iphoto2 - this app crashes almost every time i want to capture pics from my canon ixus.
.a

pudrik
Feb 27, 2003, 10:00 AM
People have been speculating about a video iPod, and there have been many good reasons given why this would not be a good product. But imagine this: 40GB iPod, small color screen, firewire. What could it do? Display video, record TV shows...

Take pictures. A LOT of pictures! Just add a decent CCD and a bit more RAM and you have a killer (although expensive) digital camera. You wouldn't need to swap drives (come on, 40 GB is a lot of photos); it could probably take short mpeg videos as well. Compare this to the top-of-the-line Sony cameras. The good ones cost upwards of $600, they take video and photos, and they can at most store 1 GB with a very expensive memory stick. A HDD camera could blow them away. And since it has iPod roots, it could also play music.

Although I think the source is suspect, for the reasons mentioned above, the camera idea is one that has not received enough speculation, and one that makes a lot more sense.

MacWhispers
Feb 27, 2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by .a
...and then i would be happy, if they rewrite iphoto2 - this app crashes almost every time i want to capture pics from my canon ixus.
.a

At the moment, I know nothign more about this "product" than anyone else here, but I can use my imagination a bit.

Has anyone pondered what could be done with the HDD on such a camera, with such an enormous capacity, and with it linked straight to control software on the Mac through 1394b? It ameks you think about the "camera" as more than just a place to dump photos as they're shot, and get offloaded as quickly as possible.

Apple brought some very subtle added features to the MP3 music player, and those subtleties have gone on to create a market leading product.

I wonder why so many people seem to think that those same types of subtle design and usage improvements are not available in a digital camera?

cubist
Feb 27, 2003, 10:13 AM
A later response shows that the mention of the iShot is in an incorrect answer in a multiple-choice question.

Good "ishot", Arn, putting it on page 2.

DaveGee
Feb 27, 2003, 10:15 AM
We can CLOSE this silly topic

As much as I wish it coulda been true... I just found out the REAL format of the text found on the Apple Learn and Earn website (a site to help sales people learn more about Apple products)..

Here it is...

-------
Question No.6:
iLife is a completely integrated solution for digital media and contains _______

a) Applications from Apple for digital projects with digital music, digital photography, digital video editing and DVD production.
b) An iPod, an Apple iShot digital camera and the new Apple SuperDrive
c) The professional video applications from Apple as well as Adobe Photoshop.
d) One year of free digital photo editing at numerous large companies
-------

So as you can see the CORRECT answer is A and the rest are just BS to try and 'trick' the person (any REAL mac user that couldn't get this right should turn in his computer).

Oh well... I guess we can see why this is on 'page 2' in the first place...

Dave

unclepain
Feb 27, 2003, 10:22 AM
A hard drive would be a boon for the digital camera business and I think it would also benefit the digital video market as well (not to mention the PDA market) I would love to have a DV cam that recorded straight to an internal hard drive and could export the clips through Firewire. A 40 gig drive could hold about 3 hours of footage before needing to offload. That's 3 times more footage than most DV tapes hold and you can get that footage on your drive a WHOLE lot faster than importing it through iMovie. Why hasn't someone already come to market with this? Price only?

MacBandit
Feb 27, 2003, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
No nono. It is supposto be release 'LAST PAST TUESDAY'.
hehe.

It will come... maybe.

You're both wrong. The most likely day is the second tuesday of next week.

pyrotoaster
Feb 27, 2003, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by FelixDerKater
I don't know about that name. It sound slike some sort of vaccine.
They should call it the QuickTake 300, or maybe the iTake, but that sounds like shoplifting at an Apple store.

As for those who say this is impossible, or more correctly, say it's "IMPOSSIBLE!!!," I think you should just keep an open mind. Is this incredibly likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.

Apple has every reason to be just a little more daring the consumer electronics market. The success of the iPod is more than enough confidence to produce a digital camera, or an iNewton, or a coffee grinder. We're in a position where we'll just have to wait and see. And speculate, of course. ;)

Yes, if Apple did make a FireWire digital camera that uses a hard drive, I'd buy one. :p

DeusOmnis
Feb 27, 2003, 11:47 AM
haha, DaveGee found the right answer. Also, try going to www.ishot.com apple would have aquired it if they were making it.

rainman::|:|
Feb 27, 2003, 12:05 PM
if apple made a coffee grinder, i'd definitely buy one--

pnw

unclepain
Feb 27, 2003, 12:17 PM
Well, SpyMac has clarified things a bit. The iShot is a "fictional" device listed in an incorrect multiple choice answer to one of the learn and earn quizzes. I still think that using a HDD in a camera or DV cam is an idea that should come to market. Will it be from Apple? Who knows.... actually Steve knows.

moosecat
Feb 27, 2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
if apple made a coffee grinder, i'd definitely buy one--

pnw

What about a USB-enabled coffee cup?

http://www.dct-net.co.jp/special/usb_hot.html

P-Worm
Feb 27, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by FelixDerKater
I don't know about that name. It sound slike some sort of vaccine.

It might be good if they collaborated with Canon on the design/features. It would also be nice if the HD were removable, so if you fill that up, you can swap it out for another.

How about iSnap

Or better yet, iSnapDawg :D

P-Worm

jimjiminyjim
Feb 27, 2003, 06:42 PM
When I saw "iShot" I thought that maybe apple was done with iapps. Oh well. I don't see why they'd want to make a digital camera. I guess they used to make printers. They could make scanners and cameras too. Seems a little odd to me. I won't buy one unless it comes attached to an iPod (I've seen every other rumor about them, haven't you?).

Jim

johnalex731
Feb 27, 2003, 07:21 PM
Apple did issue a Digital cam back in 1994 it was called the Quicktake, Wanna se it, go here


http://www.epi-centre.com/reports/9403cdi.html

shadowfax
Feb 27, 2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by P-Worm
How about iSnap?

iShot--apple's venture into the world of firearms--or alternately, bob marley songs--iShot the sheriff (but not the deputy)

iSnap--better, but i still think of mental patients. i mean, especially for apple. snapping is something that a lot of 150-170 IQ people do. and you know about that IQ and Apple users;).

it's hard to name a camera well with an i.
iShutterbug (shudder)
iFlash (oh dear god!)
iCam (i can too!)

bunkersville
Feb 27, 2003, 09:56 PM
iFilm, maybe?

shadowfax
Feb 27, 2003, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by bunkersville
iFilm, maybe?

for a digital camera?

bunkersville
Feb 27, 2003, 10:42 PM
ok, eFilm then.

shadowfax
Feb 27, 2003, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by bunkersville
ok, eFilm then.

i think the issue lies in the "Film" rather than in the "i." when i think of film, i think of a movie, really, these days. there's no film involved in a digital camera. i guess you could still call it "film," just to harken back to the "good ol' days" of analog photography, but that doesn't (to me) strike the "convenience" chord you probably want in an "ease of use" product to pair with iPhoto. in all honesty, though, i'd rather not see apple venture into this venue.

bunkersville
Feb 27, 2003, 11:12 PM
But then again, what does "pod" have to do with music? :)


It doesn't matter to me if Apple enters this market, as long as they do it well and as innovatively and creatively as they have with other products (iPod, iMac, etc.) then there's a very good chance of them slicing out a piece of the pie for themselves.

iJon
Feb 27, 2003, 11:17 PM
i wonder what it would look like if they made one, a nice scroll wheel to go through pictures. ah the wonders.

iJon

samsflagdrummer
Feb 27, 2003, 11:18 PM
I agree. It would be better for them to not make any digital cameras/camcorders. I'm sure they would be too expensive for the "ease of use" crowd, and too automatic for the "pro" group. They also would probably get some low-end stock stuff from canon/sony/ect. Anyway, I'm fine with my Canon S230 and Sony camcorder.

shadowfax
Feb 27, 2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by iJon
i wonder what it would look like if they made one, a nice scroll wheel to go through pictures. ah the wonders.

iJon

lol, that would be incredible, i must admit. a 6 megapixel digital camera with a 5 GB 1.8 inch drive and a firmware that could fly through your photo library... what is that, about 950 6 megapixel shots? dang, that would go for 1500-2000$ at least, though.

iJon
Feb 27, 2003, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
lol, that would be incredible, i must admit. a 6 megapixel digital camera with a 5 GB 1.8 inch drive and a firmware that could fly through your photo library... what is that, about 950 6 megapixel shots? dang, that would go for 1500-2000$ at least, though.
yes, im still think on the ipod scroll. that would so awesome. i use my elph and its easy but man a scroll would just be awesome. we should have a contest for the coolest apple camera drawing.

iJon

shadowfax
Feb 27, 2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by iJon
yes, im still think on the ipod scroll. that would so awesome. i use my elph and its easy but man a scroll would just be awesome. we should have a contest for the coolest apple camera drawing.

iJon

the only problem i see is, do you think the graphic renderer could make it scroll through that big of a library fast enough (with thumbnails)? i would think something like that would need a really big cache of thumbnails loaded into a rather large RAM. i am seeing a need for a BIG lithium polymer batter on this thing. what do you think?

iJon
Feb 27, 2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
the only problem i see is, do you think the graphic renderer could make it scroll through that big of a library fast enough (with thumbnails)? i would think something like that would need a really big cache of thumbnails loaded into a rather large RAM. i am seeing a need for a BIG lithium polymer batter on this thing. what do you think?
i have no idea, i thinking more creative right now then technically possible. I'm sure scrolling large color pictures would take a lot to accomplish, because it takes a second to switch pictures on my elph 230, so imagine scrolling wouldnt be that easy.

iJon

shadowfax
Feb 28, 2003, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by iJon
i have no idea, i thinking more creative right now then technically possible. I'm sure scrolling large color pictures would take a lot to accomplish, because it takes a second to switch pictures on my elph 230, so imagine scrolling wouldnt be that easy.

iJon

I understand. but maybe they could manage, say, a 2-3 MB RAM-type cache and hold little ~4-6 KB thumbnails of each. that would make access pretty fast. as far as, say, actually displaying them, maybe it could be sped up by decreasing to grayscale during actual scrolling. ultimately, i bet it would need a pretty expensive embedded chip.

Megaquad
Feb 28, 2003, 05:40 AM
I imagine iShot as a small USB or Firewire webcam for use in iChat and such. Who knows..

whooleytoo
Feb 28, 2003, 09:14 AM
The usual classy Apple/Ives look and feel, clear/white/chrome. A superb battery life (possibly requiring two batteries), so that it can have a large colour LCD. This would also allow it to be used as a portable media player.

It would have a internal bay, or an external clip so that an iPod could be slotted in for additional storage. A change could be made to the iPod software so the photos/clips could be previewed (albeit at low res in b/w) on the iPod when it's not attached.

Bonus points if it had Bluetooth/Airport and Rendevous, so it could upload the photos/clips when within range of my home machine...

Well, I did say my *dream* camera.. :)

Mike.

porovaara
Mar 2, 2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by iJon
i have no idea, i thinking more creative right now then technically possible. I'm sure scrolling large color pictures would take a lot to accomplish, because it takes a second to switch pictures on my elph 230, so imagine scrolling wouldnt be that easy.

iJon

This wouldn't be so hard, really. I have a Minolta DImage 7i and it scrolls threw the pics as fast as one can push the buttons. Also if you needed it to be really fast the camera could just create a small thumbnail DB of each shot, this would take very little space on the memory card.

achmafooma
Mar 3, 2003, 08:17 AM
While I recognize that there is no such product in the works (as far as we can tell), I have to chime in on the name ideas that have been put up on the board.

If Apple were to come out with a digital camera, why not call it the "iPhoto Camera"?

That way you make it really clear that it's a camera and a program on the computer, it will help to bring them together in people's minds.

It would just have to be played up that the iPhoto program works with the iPhoto Camera AND lots of other ones too, so people don't think the two require one another.

Kid Red
Mar 3, 2003, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by DeusOmnis
haha, DaveGee found the right answer. Also, try going to www.ishot.com apple would have aquired it if they were making it.

Not to argue the topic, but does Apple own iphoto.com, imovie.com, ical.com, imac.com, idvd.com, sherlock.com, imagecapture.com, and so on?

minux
Mar 15, 2003, 07:35 PM
This is stupid, give us Apple Printers again!

Mike

New Guy
Mar 16, 2003, 07:47 PM
Wouldn't it have made more sense for Apple to call its camera iPhoto and the iPhoto program something more like iView or Album. I mean its the camera that takes the photos and you use iPhoto to view them. I like how they use the generic names for programs like Mail and Address Book. Album or Photo Album would fit right in. Besides isn't the "i" thing getting a little stale?