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jc0481
Jun 21, 2006, 04:44 PM
That macs are only good for graphics yes the ol macs are only good for graphics dilemma. I have told people that graphics are the end result of any computer system. How can I respond back and win the argument with legitimate proof ? I don't have my Imac yet still saving up for it. I know there will be new ones available in a couple of months probably be getting those ones. My three friends are mac bashers but I just want to show them the Mac and make the decision for themselves. I don't want to force them just show them they have a choice :) I just need your help fighting this myth. I know I can convert some other people I have met in my life. Thanks

dukebound85
Jun 21, 2006, 05:04 PM
That macs are only good for graphics yes the ol macs are only good for graphics dilemma. I have told people that graphics are the end result of any computer system. How can I respond back and win the argument with legitimate proof ? I don't have my Imac yet still saving up for it. I know there will be new ones available in a couple of months probably be getting those ones. My three friends are mac bashers but I just want to show them the Mac and make the decision for themselves. I don't want to force them just show them they have a choice :) I just need your help fighting this myth. I know I can convert some other people I have met in my life. Thanks


I dunno why you care what your friends think on something as unimportant as computers. I care much more about what my friends think of a particular girl or even car lol than a computer. If it works for your needs then leave it at that

jc0481
Jun 21, 2006, 05:14 PM
[Moderator note: threads merged. Please do not start duplicate threads.]

treblah
Jun 21, 2006, 05:23 PM
I care much more about what my friends think of a particular girl or even car lol than a computer.

Good one. :D

God I hope you were kidding.

JurgenWigg
Jun 21, 2006, 05:25 PM
Show them Expose, boot camp, make a webpage in front of them (with pictures), show them the marvels of iPhoto, and don't forget spotlight!

Oh, and the abundent lack of viruses!

Eraserhead
Jun 21, 2006, 05:27 PM
You should buy whatever computer is best for you... Are you friends gamers? Also do they know much about computers? It seems to happen a lot (or they build their own computer), with anti Apple people, they just think they only have one mouse button and don't run MS office.

normally I don't try and convert people, just show them your computer when you get it they may be impressed.

Dane D.
Jun 29, 2006, 10:54 AM
I too have the same dilemma. I'm a member of a game clan and a new member posted the following:
OS wars are so cool but follow some simple rules and everyone can be happy.
Rule 1. If you are a graphic creator get a MAC
Rule 2. If you run http servers with php and sql get linux
Rule 3. For EVERYTHING ELSE use MS.

Open source is great but it is usually writen by geeks and geeks hate to write help files, they have an attitude of if you can't work it then you don't need it.
MAC OS is great and stable but has VERY limited compatibility and software so you get stuck with options. ( as a graphics design machine it owns everything )
Linux is built for running servers and is now becoming prety good with user friendliness as it has a gui these days but it still has a limited amount of software for everyday use i.e email web surfing and the odd game it will work fine but 90% of games are designed for DirectX which linux doesn't have.
Now the king of all is MS its as simple as that.
MS is what brought 90% of pc's into the home, it does everything has great help files and no matter what you want to use the pc for there is software available for it from biginner level to expert.
Now which MS OS do we choose from the current versions i.e win2k or winXP? Simple answer is winXP but the PRO version is a must, it does everything and is very reliable as long as it has fairly good hardware. What makes it crash is dumb people who have to change to the latest and greatest drivers for everything just because they are new even if thier current drivers work fine ( BIG MISTAKE ). NEW doesn't always mean better it more oftem means contains more bugs, stick with a driver set that is working and follow the code " if it isn't broke don't fix it".
And to answer the huge question of why the need for a good firewall if running windows is simple because its so damn popular it gets attacked more than the other minority OS's

and this:
First don't missunderstand me I never said mac was bad or linux was bad , what I did say was the strength of the mac is in graphic design and it is limited simply because I cannot go to the avergage high street store and buy software for it or even better find 10 different pieces of software that will do the same job and so allow me to choose the one I want.
As for linux again I never said it was bad either I said its strength is in running servers and I also said for every day usage it works well but again is limited in software availability and in hardware support ( yes I know this is the hardware vendors for not writing drivers for it but then why should they waste money developing drivers for an OS that isn't popular enough ).
Windows is king for the simple fact that it is ease of use abundance of software and it has the best hardware support ( all of which are because of its popularity ) oh!! and it makes the pc price reasonable.
Windows only week point is the virus and spyware crap that flies around , which is only there because of its popularity and MS haters who want to bring down MS in order to give thier OS a chance in the market.
BUT If the alternative OS's which don't have virus problems were even 20% as popular then the virus problem would come.
Yes you are quite correct in the fact that I don't use mac and I havent used it since around 1990, I do run both linux and windows on several different machines as I have to for theie individual strengths but I can tell you for sure that linux is no more reliable than MS when used as an every day PC.

Now I am done said my bit and still not slated another OS, but as for my fragging ability then these days that would probably leave a lot to be desired as I haven't played UT in any variety for a few years now but I do play a mean game of solitaire.

It pains me to read PC peps posts because I believe most of their Mac info is out-dated, wrong or they just re-hash what they have heard or read. They are so blind with MS crap they can't even admit there are alternatives to MS. My way of dealing with them is to counter-point their points and possibly show them if I can.

dornoforpyros
Jun 29, 2006, 11:43 AM
who cares? Graphics are more fun than spreadsheets anyways :p

Honestly it's not that big a deal, yeah me and my friends have some good natured ribbing at each others OS but at the end off the day it doesn't really matter. Yes, it would be nice if we lived in a windows free world, but we don't.

So get your mac, enjoy it, love it, but don't get too concerned when people bash it.

tristan
Jun 29, 2006, 11:44 AM
Apple, for all its great marketing, has some major problems in positioning, that's why they're doing the "I'm a Mac" ads. Those stereotypes have been around since System 7 - Macs are for graphics. That's based upon the industry positioning of more than twenty years! (Remember MacPaint and how much better it was than anything Windows had?) Then Macs have the "easy to use" reputation, which backfired because if you already figured out your PC, why would you switch to a Mac? Apple also tried positioning in terms of sheer power (Risc supercomputers) but that also backfired when the PowerPC chips didn't keep up.

Apple is now positioning its stuff in terms of design, creativity, and eye candy, which is good positioning, but they have a ways to go. Ironically this doesn't take into account Unix and developers, which I believe is a big reason for their success. A lot of people I know in the IT industry bought Macs because its a great Unix platform that still gives you a fantastic GUI- but then some abandoned it because it doesn't have as good Java development support.

In terms of what people think, seriously don't waste a lot of time caring about what people think, that gets you nowhere and forces you to live life by other people's expectations. But philosophy of life aside, just focus on your computer's capabilities - my Mac is virus-proof, my has fantastic ergonomics, doesn't crash, has tons of great software, runs a Unix OS, and always puts me first in line for new technologies like Airport, Bluetooth, DVD burning, Digital Photography, etc, and just frees me from the headaches and ugliness of Windows. I use my computer every day for the things that are important to me, and I bought the best one that was available to me at the time - an Apple Powerbook of course.

dpaanlka
Jun 29, 2006, 11:44 AM
Most, I mean a HUGE gigantic majority of PC geeks, have never ever used a Macintosh. People are always afraid of what they do not understand.

I generally don't get into these arguments as I don't really hang out with anyone that is into computers.

portent
Jun 29, 2006, 03:30 PM
I do no graphics work whatsoever. I'm not "creative" or "artistic" or any of that. I use my computer(s) for "normal" stuff, and I don't care about any supposed graphics advantages.

My computer is a Mac because it does all the normal stuff just as easily as Windows, only without the potential headaches. With Windows, I have to take steps to keep my machine from flaking out. On a Mac, I'd have to take steps to force machine to flake out.

portent
Jun 29, 2006, 03:30 PM
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MisterMe
Jun 29, 2006, 10:00 PM
I do no graphics work whatsoever. I'm not "creative" or "artistic" or any of that. I use my computer(s) for "normal" stuff, and I don't care about any supposed graphics advantages.

My computer is a Mac because it does all the normal stuff just as easily as Windows, only without the potential headaches. With Windows, I have to take steps to keep my machine from flaking out. On a Mac, I'd have to take steps to force machine to flake out.I beg to differ. If you do anything original, then you are creative. Consider yard work, for example. Is there anything more menial than mowing the lawn? Have you ever seen the lawn mowed in a baseball stadium?