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IJ Reilly
Jun 25, 2006, 12:03 PM
Higher than the U.S. estimate but thought to be undercounted, the tally is equivalent to 570,000 Americans killed in three years.

BAGHDAD — At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies — a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration.

Many more Iraqis are believed to have been killed but not counted because of serious lapses in recording deaths in the chaotic first year after the invasion, when there was no functioning Iraqi government, and continued spotty reporting nationwide since.

The toll, which is mostly of civilians but probably also includes some security forces and insurgents, is daunting: Proportionately, it is equivalent to 570,000 Americans being killed nationwide in the last three years.

In the same period, at least 2,520 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq.

Iraqi officials involved in compiling the statistics say violent deaths in some regions have been grossly undercounted, notably in the troubled province of Al Anbar in the west. Health workers there are unable to compile the data because of violence, security crackdowns, electrical shortages and failing telephone networks.

The Health Ministry acknowledged the undercount. In addition, the ministry said its figures exclude the three northern provinces of the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan because Kurdish officials do not provide death toll figures to the government in Baghdad.

In the three years since Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled, the Bush administration has rarely offered civilian death tolls. Last year, President Bush said he believed that "30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis."

Nongovernmental organizations have made estimates by tallying media accounts; The Times attempted to reach a comprehensive figure by obtaining statistics from the Baghdad morgue and the Health Ministry and checking those numbers against a sampling of local health departments for possible undercounts.

The Health Ministry gathers numbers from hospitals in the capital and the outlying provinces. If a victim of violence dies at a hospital or arrives dead, medical officials issue a death certificate. Relatives claim the body directly from the hospital and arrange for a speedy burial in keeping with Muslim beliefs.

If the morgue receives a body — usually those deemed suspicious deaths — officials there issue the death certificate.

Health Ministry officials said that because death certificates are issued and counted separately, the two data sets are not overlapping.

The Baghdad morgue received 30,204 bodies from 2003 through mid-2006, while the Health Ministry said it had documented 18,933 deaths from "military clashes" and "terrorist attacks" from April 5, 2004, to June 1, 2006. Together, the toll reaches 49,137.

However, samples obtained from local health departments in other provinces show an undercount that brings the total well beyond 50,000. The figure also does not include deaths outside Baghdad in the first year of the invasion.

The documented cases show a country descending further into violence.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-deathtoll25jun25,0,4970736.story



iGary
Jun 25, 2006, 12:06 PM
At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently

Did we expect them to die any other way?

2nyRiggz
Jun 25, 2006, 12:20 PM
Did we expect them to die any other way?

I know right.....theres only one way of dying if someone puts a bullet in you or blow you up right...


Bless

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 25, 2006, 12:51 PM
And everyone of those people had family or friends who would be happy to avenge those deaths. Iraq is a no win.

skunk
Jun 25, 2006, 01:23 PM
And everyone of those people had family or friends who would be happy to avenge those deaths. Iraq is a no win.Especially for the Iraqis. Halliburton, on the other hand, must be quite happy.

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 25, 2006, 01:35 PM
Not only Haliburton but all those Pentagon companies that make anything the military may use. Parts,equipment,new rockets,bombs,ammo,tanks,etc etc. They make billions and we the taxpayer get the bill. For.........Oh yeah WMDs,or was it fight them there not here, no nation building,no whats the current spin?:confused:

zimv20
Jun 25, 2006, 02:10 PM
that's the first i've seen an estimate higher than that determined by iraqbodycount (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/), which is near 40k. they use a different method of determination: local media reports.

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 25, 2006, 02:14 PM
Also a direct hit by a weapon can sometimes leave nothing, I suspect the number is slightly higher.

solvs
Jun 26, 2006, 02:18 AM
It's far higher than that. I doubt it's gone down since I last checked over a year ago. They must have changed the way they tabulate the deaths. And what constitutes a "war" death.

Dont Hurt Me
Jun 26, 2006, 07:57 AM
It's far higher than that. I doubt it's gone down since I last checked over a year ago. They must have changed the way they tabulate the deaths. And what constitutes a "war" death.Those are the games they have been playing on many issues only the public is to stupid to look closer.
So Iraq is asking us to go, top generals are saying the same yet the draft dodgers running the show in Washington want to stay the course calling everyone else opposed to this imperial rule as cutting & running. Only problem is the rudder has been broken for years. Congress & president are clueless. So many dead and in the end we will have established is a Shiite Iraqi theocracy. watch it happen. This war did nothing for the U.S. but it allowed Bin Laden and his pals to get away. Oh, it drove the Oil markets crazy with record profits.

skunk
Jun 26, 2006, 09:54 AM
Those are the games they have been playing on many issues only the public is to stupid to look closer.
So Iraq is asking us to go, top generals are saying the same yet the draft dodgers running the show in Washington want to stay the course calling everyone else opposed to this imperial rule as cutting & running. Only problem is the rudder has been broken for years. Congress & president are clueless. So many dead and in the end we will have established a Shiite Iraqi theocracy. watch it happen. This war did nothing for the U.S. but it allowed Bin Laden and his pals to get away. Oh, it drove the Oil markets crazy with record profits.You sum it up very well, DHM, and in inimitable style. :)

mactastic
Jun 26, 2006, 01:47 PM
the tally is equivalent to 570,000 Americans killed in three years.
Hey, does anyone think that if 570,000 Americans were killed violently in three years, (and a Democratic president was in power) that the GOP footsoldiers would be out asking why the news stories aren't showing all the good news that's happening in the States?