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Flanline
Jun 27, 2006, 03:10 PM
As I said...

133MB for my Macbook. It's a biggie.

Makosuke
Jun 27, 2006, 03:16 PM
So it is (MBP, also 133MB). Woah, for an incremental update, that's HUGE.

I wonder if it's automatically doing a "combo" install on the newer MacBooks and Pros, since they haven't undergone an update at all yet.

skoker
Jun 27, 2006, 03:18 PM
37 MB PPC update.

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:18 PM
The Usual Rundown

The 10.4.7 Update is recommended for all users and includes general operating system fixes, as well as specific fixes for the following applications and technologies. It includes fixes for:

- preventing AFP deadlocks and dropped connections
- saving Adobe and Quark documents to AFP mounted volumes
- Bluetooth file transfers, pairing and connecting to a Bluetooth mouse, and syncing to mobile phones
- audio playback in QuickTime, iTunes, Final Cut Pro, and Soundtrack applications
- ensuring icons are spaced correctly when viewed on desktop
- determining the space required to burn folders
- iChat audio and video connectivity, creating chat rooms when using AIM
- importing files into Keynote 3
- PDF workflows when using iCal and iPhoto
- reliable use of Automator actions within workflows
- importing and removing fonts in Font Book
- syncing addresses, bookmarks, calendar events and files to .Mac
- compatibility with third party applications and devices
- previous standalone security updates

For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n303771.

For detailed information on Security Updates, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798.

My MacBook says also 133mb.

celebrian23
Jun 27, 2006, 03:18 PM
69ish MBs on my mbp :p

lamina
Jun 27, 2006, 03:19 PM
39.8MB for my PPC PB and 64.9MB for my Intel iMac.

Finally!

lonepilgrim
Jun 27, 2006, 03:19 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Now available via Software Update:
64.9MB here on the Intel iMac

Makosuke
Jun 27, 2006, 03:20 PM
Well, the Combo updater page is up on Apple's site, but the links to the downloads don't work yet (pretty much par for the course for the first day, if memory serves):

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303772

thejadedmonkey
Jun 27, 2006, 03:20 PM
Does it have the iSync 2.3 update in it?

celebrian23
Jun 27, 2006, 03:21 PM
64.9MB on mbp. Nothing that sparks my interest really :p

w8ing4intelmacs
Jun 27, 2006, 03:21 PM
Does it include the two finger right click for MacBook Pros?

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 03:21 PM
:mad: I hope my celly works with isync now!

Griffindor73
Jun 27, 2006, 03:22 PM
Hopefully this will get rid of the strange background noises I get when I import songs into iTunes!

nomad01
Jun 27, 2006, 03:22 PM
64.9MB here on the Intel iMac

133MB here on a new MacBook Pro.

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:22 PM
One thing I noticed in the description page on the Apple site is this:

You may experience unexpected results if you have third-party system software modifications installed, or if you've modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)

Guess that means folks who use Shapeshifter and the likes should be careful when updating.

mark!
Jun 27, 2006, 03:23 PM
Does it include the two finger right click for MacBook Pros?

It's suppose to. I'm downloading it now but it is taking forever. :(

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 03:23 PM
that's one hellova update
133MB here on a new MacBook Pro.

EricNau
Jun 27, 2006, 03:23 PM
- ensuring icons are spaced correctly when viewed on desktop
It took them this long to get it right? :confused:

Applespider
Jun 27, 2006, 03:24 PM
Took a long time to go from the blue screen immediately after startup to the desktop and bring up the menu bar... It happened but it was a while.

No other problems though

iBrow
Jun 27, 2006, 03:24 PM
Finally! :rolleyes: 39.8 MB on my PPC Mac mini.

nomad01
Jun 27, 2006, 03:24 PM
that's one hellova update

Yeah I know. It's downloading pretty quickly here though thankfully.

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 03:26 PM
I'm back up and running...reboot took four minutes on my 1.67 GHz PB. A little bit of concern about the length of time it spent on the blue screen, but the desktop eventually came up. Safari now at 2.0.4...haven't had a chance to look around at anything else.

51434

celebrian23
Jun 27, 2006, 03:26 PM
darn my slow connection

10MB down, 55 to go.... :p

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 03:28 PM
Anyone have a Windows Smartphone to test out iSync with.:D

danielwsmithee
Jun 27, 2006, 03:28 PM
Unfortanatly they do not list the "Firewire Bug." The whole computer freezes on intel based macs when used with certain firewire chipsets.

Orlando Furioso
Jun 27, 2006, 03:29 PM
"- ensuring icons are spaced correctly when viewed on desktop"


Finally, this has been bugging me to no end (I hope this fixed what I think it does). Crosses fingers. =)

Nope, still broken... BOOOOOOO.

lexus
Jun 27, 2006, 03:30 PM
No update to iSync and I do not know about 15" MBP right click yet.

Bern
Jun 27, 2006, 03:31 PM
I think I'll wait until the Apple's server is free. I prefer to use the combo updates and it's 215 mb.

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:31 PM
102mb/133mb.

Just a friendly reminder, PPC or Intel - after the update is done downloading and before you hit restart, you should open Disk Utility and Repair Your Permissions before you restart and after.

I go a bit further and whip out my Install Disc, and Repair both Permissions and the Disk.

truz
Jun 27, 2006, 03:32 PM
Downloading and Installing now.. Let's cross fingers and hope nothing major happens like the last update..

My download went quite fast tho for this update.. I seen the popup and went to this board to check others who have installed and make sure nothing major happened and by the time I went to go check on the download process after reading this forum it was completed :) 64mb download.. restarting now......

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 03:32 PM
SHeesh, I wan't to use my phone with iSync.
No update to iSync and I do not know about 15" MBP right click yet.

Makosuke
Jun 27, 2006, 03:33 PM
Interesting... after installing 10.4.7 on a 17" MBP, Software Update now shows "MacBook Pro SMC Firmware Update 1.1". The descriptions says it improves fan behavior, specifically on 17" MBPs. It wasn't there before.

I wasn't having any fan problems before, but let's give it a go and see what changes...

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 03:33 PM
I go a bit further and whip out my Install Disc, and Repair both Permissions and the Disk.

DON'T do this...by repairing permission according to BOM on the install disc, you can revert permissions to out-of-date ones. Always repair permissions according to the BOMs on your hard drive. Not that it actually does anything most of the time...it's a nice security blanket though.

slackersonly
Jun 27, 2006, 03:33 PM
i am getting a very slow download and all over the place.
from 30 minutes to 2 hours.

to test i downloaded something else (small so it wouldnt tax the connection long) and had very fast downloads elsewhere.

i though isync update was really needed.....wonder why it is missing. :mad:

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 03:33 PM
Another thread about 10.4.7 being ready for download, why don't we close one.:rolleyes:

oh yeah, they just did.

I thought 215MB is quite large for an OS combo update.

oh yeah, Just in case you couldn't be bothered to read the first one...
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=212392

lonepilgrim
Jun 27, 2006, 03:34 PM
64.9MB here on the Intel iMac
Back up and running - I have noticed almost no difference. No problems though.

AlBDamned
Jun 27, 2006, 03:34 PM
crikey the world and his wife must be downloading this - the 39.3MB download is saying two hours on my 8Mb connection!

Applespider
Jun 27, 2006, 03:34 PM
Just a friendly reminder, PPC or Intel - after the update is done downloading and before you hit restart, you should open Disk Utility and Repair Your Permissions before you restart and after.

I go a bit further and whip out my Install Disc, and Repair both Permissions and the Disk.

Rubbish... (http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions) which can actually cause more problems (http://daringfireball.net/2004/12/software_update)...[/QUOTE]

hyperpasta
Jun 27, 2006, 03:35 PM
Two updates to go 'til Leopard. I have my money on late this year or January of next.

Bradley W
Jun 27, 2006, 03:36 PM
_

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 03:36 PM
No update to iSync and I do not know about 15" MBP right click yet.

iSync IS updated to version 2.3...I don't use it, so I can't say how it performs.

Mesa Dynamics
Jun 27, 2006, 03:36 PM
Does it include the two finger right click for MacBook Pros?

Yes. Works nicely, but a bit awkward (two fingers down on pad and then click)

lonepilgrim
Jun 27, 2006, 03:37 PM
Two updates to go 'til Leopard. I have my money on late this year or January of next.
Why do you say that -- two updates? How do you know how many updates there will be?

ITASOR
Jun 27, 2006, 03:38 PM
Two updates to go 'til Leopard. I have my money on late this year or January of next.

Hahahahahahaha....there's been like 500 threads about this...they are NOT decimals...they're version numbers. 10.4.10 is not the same as 10.4.1...it has just been coincidence that the highest was 9.

jsw
Jun 27, 2006, 03:38 PM
Why do you say that -- two updates? How do you know how many updates there will be?
Because of a misguided belief that 10.4.9 must come out and must be the last update.

Updates could end here at 10.4.7 or continue to 10.4.36. There is no reason they must end at 10.4.9.

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:39 PM
Rubbish... (http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions) which can actually cause more problems (http://daringfireball.net/2004/12/software_update)...

*Ejects install disc before restart*. :o

LaMerVipere
Jun 27, 2006, 03:40 PM
149MB on my PPC Mac; Jesus Mary!

machappymeal
Jun 27, 2006, 03:41 PM
Back up and running well on a MacBook. 133mb download.

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 03:42 PM
Safari seems much faster. :D


*runs and ducks*

lamina
Jun 27, 2006, 03:43 PM
Is anyone having issues with their time and BT and AirPort icons not showing up anymore at the top right?

I set it manually and it still doesn't work!

Peace
Jun 27, 2006, 03:43 PM
Safari seems much faster. :D


*runs and ducks*


Hey!! It is more "robust"..

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:44 PM
Update downloaded, see you on the other side...

craigatkinson
Jun 27, 2006, 03:44 PM
Are they not planning on adding the double click feature to the powerbook line? I'll be mad if they don't.

Anonymous Freak
Jun 27, 2006, 03:45 PM
64.9MB on my 2.0 GHz rev.a 15" MacBook Pro, 39.8MB on my 1.25 GHz 2004 eMac and 867 MHz rev.a 12" PowerBook G4. All have 10.4.6 already.

Going to run the updates and report back.

edit: Oh, and I already have the 'two-finger click' hack on my MacBook Pro, so I won't be able to confirm if this update adds it officially or not.

Makosuke
Jun 27, 2006, 03:47 PM
Well, the SMC Firmware update does nothing noticible to the fans on my 17" one way or the other. I wasn't having heat or moo or noise problems before, and there doesn't seem to be anything different now--processor temps are about the same (mid 50s at idle, low 80s at full load on both cores), and there's still no noticible noise.

No harm done, though.

Now here's waiting for an OS update that will properly clock the Core Duo down to 1GHz when it's not doing much--THAT would be a nice feature for battery life, though I don't expect to see it until at least 10.5 (.4.7 did nothing to this)

kevmbpro
Jun 27, 2006, 03:47 PM
Yes - 2 finger right click!
Yay!

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 03:48 PM
102mb/133mb.

Just a friendly reminder, PPC or Intel - after the update is done downloading and before you hit restart, you should open Disk Utility and Repair Your Permissions before you restart and after.

I go a bit further and whip out my Install Disc, and Repair both Permissions and the Disk.

Poppycock, but thanks anyway.

http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions
http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions_voodoo

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 03:50 PM
as if.... :p

Downloading. Not incredibly fast but still, it's chugging along. I'll let you know once the download is preparing to install. :)

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:50 PM
Update downloaded, see you on the other side...

Update done, very quick restart actually, not 4 minutes like some mentioned.

http://mr.amacgenius.com/10.4.7.png

Poppycock, but thanks anyway.

http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions
http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions_voodoo

Those were pointed out to me already, thank you.

ITASOR
Jun 27, 2006, 03:51 PM
installed here! wish I could get me that right click feature on my iBook!

CompUSAMacNerd
Jun 27, 2006, 03:51 PM
39.8MB download for me on my G5 1.6 :)

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 03:52 PM
Rubbish... (http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions) which can actually cause more problems (http://daringfireball.net/2004/12/software_update)...[/QUOTE]

Holy crap see what happens when you question the gods, the thread is eating itself.

I just posted that , but while I was typing and posting you already typed it and posted it. It must be some sort of dual reality caused by some kinda permissions issue.

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 03:53 PM
Update done, very quick restart actually, not 4 minutes like some mentioned.

http://mr.amacgenius.com/10.4.7.png



Those were pointed out to me already, thank you.
Yeah sorry, I was having some issues with reality

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 03:53 PM
installed here! wish I could get me that right click feature on my iBook!

You can, it's called Ctrl+Click or spend $1099 on a MacBook ;).

VanNess
Jun 27, 2006, 03:55 PM
The Widget memory bug is still there, at least on PPC. After a system update like this, widget memory balloons to about 2x - 3x normal size. Seems to be related to optimization process (prebinding) but I'm not sure about that.

In any event, restarting, or logging out/in, or killing the dock and relaunching dashboard cures the problem and widget memory returns to their usual size for good until the next time the system is updated (usually, an update to the OS such as this or running prebinding manually).

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 03:55 PM
Holy crap see what happens when you question the gods, the thread is eating itself.

I just posted that , but while I was typing and posting you already typed it and posted it. It must be some sort of dual reality caused by some kinda permissions issue.

It took you 13 minutes to post it? :confused:

You need to type faster if you're going to keep with the forums on the day of a new release!! :D

Pistol Pete
Jun 27, 2006, 03:55 PM
working as normal as my imac was before the update.

(its working well)

m-dogg
Jun 27, 2006, 03:56 PM
Yes - 2 finger right click!
Yay!

Can anyone confirm if this is available on powerbooks?

Or is it just macbooks/macbook pros?

Thanks - Sean

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 03:56 PM
No worries here...

ensee
Jun 27, 2006, 03:56 PM
Done.

iSync 2.3 is there and more importantly the new Safari lets you into hotmail and I think it supports SVG files now - they used to be a bit flakey.

But how do you get into an AIM chat room? I clicked on the links on this page (http://www.aim.com/chats.adp) but just get that "thunk" error noise when iChat opens.

Throwing this meat out might stop the Mac Panthers being hungry for Leopard for at least an evening.

But yeah, no complaints

jonat8
Jun 27, 2006, 03:56 PM
39.8Mb on my 12" iBook. Working fine :)

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 03:56 PM
Can anyone confirm if this is available on powerbooks?

Or is it just macbooks/macbook pros?

Thanks - Sean

No on PB's.

acircularmotive
Jun 27, 2006, 03:57 PM
Downloading le update.. woo !

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 03:57 PM
That's a BEAST of a machine you have there.
No worries here...

hyperpasta
Jun 27, 2006, 03:57 PM
Because of a misguided belief that 10.4.9 must come out and must be the last update.

Updates could end here at 10.4.7 or continue to 10.4.36. There is no reason they must end at 10.4.9.

They could. But they never have...

saxondale.
Jun 27, 2006, 03:58 PM
Odd, my fan has kicked in, really loud. My GPU ran at 85c on average, CPU about 65c, HDD 55c but now everything is running lower because the fan has kicked in. GPU is at 57c, CPU 56c, HDD 47c. Has this update fixed my fan or something? i have never heard it in my life, even at 85c, it never kicks on. Now, i cant hear it, and my temps are much better. I will report and see if they go back up

Also...

Why does the update say (delta)?

jholzner
Jun 27, 2006, 03:58 PM
Because of a misguided belief that 10.4.9 must come out and must be the last update.

Updates could end here at 10.4.7 or continue to 10.4.36. There is no reason they must end at 10.4.9.

While that may be true, if memory serves they always have ended at 10.x.9

craigatkinson
Jun 27, 2006, 03:58 PM
Looks as if it is only available on the new laptops. I downloaded the update onto my powerbook, and sure enough, no double click feature. I'm officially mad.

Can anyone confirm if this is available on powerbooks?

Or is it just macbooks/macbook pros?

Thanks - Sean

Diatribe
Jun 27, 2006, 03:58 PM
Does mail.app finally hide on start-up?

kevmbpro
Jun 27, 2006, 03:59 PM
Actually, you can just tap the pad with 2 fingers.

Yes. Works nicely, but a bit awkward (two fingers down on pad and then click)

celebrian23
Jun 27, 2006, 03:59 PM
20 minutes later I'm finally done! Yay :D :D : Wish me luck...*restarts*

m-dogg
Jun 27, 2006, 03:59 PM
You can, it's called Ctrl+Click or spend $1099 on a MacBook ;).

Well, those aren't the only options! :)

This is what I'm currently using on my PB to avoid using that pesky control key: One Finger Snap (http://www.oldjewelsoftware.com/products/onefingersnap/index.html)

No on PB's.

Looks as if it is only available on the new laptops. I downloaded the update onto my powerbook, and sure enough, no double click feature. I'm officially mad.

Bummer. Thanks for checking.

Peace
Jun 27, 2006, 04:01 PM
Odd, my fan has kicked in, really loud. My GPU ran at 85c on average, CPU about 65c, HDD 55c but now everything is running lower because the fan has kicked in. GPU is at 57c, CPU 56c, HDD 47c. Has this update fixed my fan or something? i have never heard it in my life, even at 85c, it never kicks on. Now, i cant hear it, and my temps are much better. I will report and see if they go back up

Also...

Why does the update say (delta)?


Like Apple says on their update site the delta is for people running an immediate version like 10.4.6 only.The Combo is for people running 10.4.0-10.4.6.

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 04:02 PM
While that may be true, if memory serves they always have ended at 10.x.9

Wrong, Jaguar (10.2) ended on the 10.2.8 update.

kevmbpro
Jun 27, 2006, 04:02 PM
Poppycock, but thanks anyway.

http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions
http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions_voodoo

Yeah - pretty insane coming from someone calling themselves "a mac genius"

hayesk
Jun 27, 2006, 04:03 PM
I'm back up and running...reboot took four minutes on my 1.67 GHz PB. A little bit of concern about the length of time it spent on the blue screen, but the desktop eventually came up.

System updates usually trigger driver cache rebuilds and other such things. A long startup after an update is expected.

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 04:03 PM
Wrong, Jaguar (10.2) ended on the 10.2.8 update.

Woohoo, now a firmware update to kill the whine and victory. :D

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 04:04 PM
Wrong, Jaguar (10.2) ended on the 10.2.8 update.

And Puma to .5 and Cheetah to .4...

Object-X
Jun 27, 2006, 04:04 PM
Only two points to go before Leapord! Can't wait. I think they will ship this year.

QCassidy352
Jun 27, 2006, 04:04 PM
I'm loathe to install this. My macbook is finally running silently and happily (though with a "hack'), and I don't really want to screw that up unless someone confirms that this includes a firmware update that will fix the mooing.

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 04:04 PM
Only two points to go before Leapord! Can't wait. I think they will ship this year.

Please stop saying things like this...ugh.

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 04:05 PM
System updates usually trigger driver cache rebuilds and other such things. A long startup after an update is expected.

I didn't have one. I had a normal installation. :) Very fast too. This clicking thing is awesome, but a little difficult. I tend to tap after ending of scrolling so this takes some work getting used to.

Now if they can get it to do that in Windows. :D

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 04:06 PM
I'm loathe to install this. My macbook is finally running silently and happily (though with a "hack'), and I don't really want to screw that up unless someone confirms that this includes a firmware update that will fix the mooing.

As I noted earlier, if this hack is a third party you may want to be careful if you go through with the update.

You may experience unexpected results if you have third-party system software modifications installed, or if you've modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)

Edit: Couldn't you just update then reinstall/download the hack again? :rolleyes:

mark!
Jun 27, 2006, 04:06 PM
Right Click With 2 Fingers Is Now Available On Early 15" Macbook Pros After The Update.

celebrian23
Jun 27, 2006, 04:07 PM
How do I do the right click thing?

jholzner
Jun 27, 2006, 04:07 PM
Wrong, Jaguar (10.2) ended on the 10.2.8 update.

I stand corrected. According to Wikipedia 10.1 only went to 10.1.5.

JackSYi
Jun 27, 2006, 04:08 PM
Can anyone with a MacBook tell if the kernel panics upon unplugging the headphones has been fixed?

mark!
Jun 27, 2006, 04:08 PM
How do I do the right click thing?

Do the update and go to system preferences and then mouse & keyboards & then go to trackpad and check the thingy that says 2 finger right click.

philipj
Jun 27, 2006, 04:08 PM
Hi all,

I ran Software Update as normal, had a 133MB download, and after downloading it gave me an error about installing, something about being unable to open the archive. I thought that was strange so tried to download it again and got the same error. Then I closed software update. I tried opening software update again, and the System Preferences icon would bounce once and then nothing would happen. I tried logging out of my account to see if logging back in would help, but it sat there at the blue screen with a spinner. I got tired of waiting and tried to reboot, and it sits there at the grey screen with the Apple logo and a spinner.

Pretty weird! Gonna have to fix it when I get home from work and get at my install disc. Hope this didn't happen to anyone else.

Peace
Jun 27, 2006, 04:08 PM
One can scroll up and down and sideways with two fingers also.

As an addendum.For those that are doing the dual-boot thing there might be problems so watch out!!

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 04:09 PM
How do I do the right click thing?

Go into System Prefs, then Mouse and Keyboard, then you'll see the following:

http://mr.amacgenius.com/trackc1.png

Then make sure the following is checked:

http://mr.amacgenius.com/trackc2.png

Then enjoy.

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 04:09 PM
It took you 13 minutes to post it? :confused:

You need to type faster if you're going to keep with the forums on the day of a new release!! :D

yeah that's another issue I need to sort. but mostly the delay was remembering where I read that really good 'lay the bugger to rest once and for all' article so I could link to it in a big smug git of a post and at the expense of amacgenius, (who was really only trying to be polite and considerate) sit back and admire my handywork.

That's what happens when you mess with this karma stuff. Don't meddle with things you don't understand... and ...leave yer permissions alone, otherwise the wind could change and you'll be stuck like that.

amacgenius
Jun 27, 2006, 04:10 PM
Can anyone with a MacBook tell if the kernel panics upon unplugging the headphones has been fixed?

Hmm. I've never heard of that one, I plugin my speakers/headphones everyday with no problems ever since I got my MacBook.

solomania9
Jun 27, 2006, 04:11 PM
http://www.thecleverest.com/tenpointfourpointseven.jpg

celebrian23
Jun 27, 2006, 04:11 PM
Do the update and go to system preferences and then mouse & keyboards & then go to trackpad and check the thingy that says 2 finger right click.
Thanks that's a pretty awesome feature :)

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 04:11 PM
Hey, does the update let me heal the blind and feed the hungry with my PowerMac? :D

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 04:12 PM
Hew, does the update let me heal the blind and feed the hungry with my PowerMac? :D

With your PowerMac? Absolutely...it's the most powerful one on Earth.

Applespider
Jun 27, 2006, 04:12 PM
yeah that's another issue I need to sort. but mostly the delay was remembering where I read that really good 'lay the bugger to rest once and for all' article so I could link to it in a big smug git of a post

See I knew it was Daring Fireball so just googled for 'repair permissions software update' and it was the first two results up.. ;)

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 04:13 PM
10.4.7 installed, and all is well.

Two-finger right-click on my early(ish) MBP working nicely.

Off to check for any updated version of Saft for the new Safari. If it's still too soon, I'll do the ol' hack to Saft to tweak its version recognition.

wheeeeeeeee!

Diatribe
Jun 27, 2006, 04:14 PM
Again, can anyone please check whether mail.app hides on start-up now?

liketom
Jun 27, 2006, 04:15 PM
Hey, does the update let me heal the blind and feed the hungry with my PowerMac? :D
:D nope

i'm still waiting for the 3 finger right click and save as feature;)

Aldus
Jun 27, 2006, 04:15 PM
I didn't have one. I had a normal installation. :) Very fast too. This clicking thing is awesome, but a little difficult. I tend to tap after ending of scrolling so this takes some work getting used to.

Now if they can get it to do that in Windows. :D

They can: it works perfectly in Parallels :-)

Anonymous Freak
Jun 27, 2006, 04:15 PM
Startup took significantly longer than usual, on all machines, but subsequent restarts are as fast as they were under 10.4.6. No major changes, as far as I can tell. No speed improvements, nothing.

Oooh, let's see if they fixed the 'usb-device-in-expresscard-slot-prevents-sleep' issue! Nope. Still wakes right back up, complaining that I removed the device.

Oh well, nothing obvious to me so far. I'll report back in a couple days.

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 04:15 PM
See I knew it was Daring Fireball so just googled for 'repair permissions software update' and it was the first two results up.. ;)

DF rocks!

A tranquil river of level-headedness in the turbulent waters of Mac-dom.

(JG's just got his next batch of DF t-shirts in. woohoo!)

SilentPanda
Jun 27, 2006, 04:15 PM
I'm still investigating a bit but I can't seem to play Quicktime Trailers from Apple's web site. I tried to play both the 1080i HD and Large format trailers of Spider Man 3. I also tried a few other older trailers I know I had watched after clearing my cache. It locked up my computer all times I tried. I couldn't even bring up the force quit menu although I didn't have a kernel panic.

Quicktime itself launches fine (7.newest decimal) and I can play movie trailers in iTunes from the store. This leads me to believe it's Safari and not Quicktime. I have Pith Helmet installed but it currently disables itself at launch since it doesn't recognize the new version of Safari.

Not a huge deal but just wondering if anybody else has encountered this.

iMac Core Duo 2.0 with 2GB of RAM, 256 MB Video RAM.

Edit: Hrmph. Just tried it on my Powerbook 1.5ghz and it played the trailer just fine post update. Must be a "me" problem then. Maybe I'll try the combo updater...

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 04:17 PM
Can anyone verify this?
As an addendum.For those that are doing the dual-boot thing there might be problems so watch out!!

QCassidy352
Jun 27, 2006, 04:18 PM
As I noted earlier, if this hack is a third party you may want to be careful if you go through with the update.



Edit: Couldn't you just update then reinstall/download the hack again? :rolleyes:

yeah... but why? what exactly is this update doing for me? And why risk the possibility that apple somehow "broke" the hack (as has happened before)?

Anonymous Freak
Jun 27, 2006, 04:18 PM
One can scroll up and down and sideways with two fingers also.

As an addendum.For those that are doing the dual-boot thing there might be problems so watch out!!

You could always two-finger scroll on the MacBook Pro, it was the two-finger click that wasn't present until the later MacBook Pro and the 'just plain' MacBook. (Heck, two-finger scroll was present as early as the rev.c Aluminum PowerBook G4s, and could even be hacked in to the rev.b's.)

No problems with Boot Camp.

Again, can anyone please check whether mail.app hides on start-up now?

Nope, comes up big. (iChat doesn't hide, either.)

Mac_Freak
Jun 27, 2006, 04:22 PM
Again, can anyone please check whether mail.app hides on start-up now?
Mail doesn't hide for me. :(

dang, too late!!!

mithlonder
Jun 27, 2006, 04:24 PM
I'm the owner of a white macbook with 2GB of RAM,

The update ran perfectly, took longer to reboot as always..

First the bad news,

the whine is still there, and I can hear it even after starting Photobooth (which used to fixed the issue before), but it now sounds like something's frying inside the AC.

Now the good ones:

I used to have kernel panics 50% of the time I unplugged the speakers from the machine, after the update I tried to plug/unplug them several times and no problems at all!

The dock isn't magnifying itself anymore, even though it works, if I pass the mouse over it the icons don't zoom anymore, but everything else in the dock works fine (trying to -move- the icon around the dock actually does the trick).

UPDATE: The dock works fine again after a second restart

mduser63
Jun 27, 2006, 04:24 PM
Only 39.4 MB on my 12" 1.33 GHz PowerBook. The restart didn't seem to take too long either. I'm doing work on my iMac right now, so I'll wait until this evening to update it.

http://www.villainousturtle.com/misc/update.png

Peace
Jun 27, 2006, 04:24 PM
You could always two-finger scroll on the MacBook Pro, it was the two-finger click that wasn't present until the later MacBook Pro and the 'just plain' MacBook. (Heck, two-finger scroll was present as early as the rev.c Aluminum PowerBook G4s, and could even be hacked in to the rev.b's.)

No problems with Boot Camp.


ahh..ok...Last PPC Mac I had was the rev.a..

And I said "might" not "will"

Diatribe
Jun 27, 2006, 04:25 PM
Nope, comes up big. (iChat doesn't hide, either.)

Mail doesn't hide for me. :(

dang, too late!!!


First of all thx a lot for checking guys. :)

Second, WTF APPLE? Is it that ********* hard to fix a glitch like that after 7!!!!!!!!!! ********* revisions? After I have sent in like a gazillion bug reports regarding that issue? Damn it, I'm losing faith here. :mad:

garethh
Jun 27, 2006, 04:26 PM
Oh dear. Mail on my iMac no longer seems to be able to connect to my IMAP account. I wonder what it has messed up.

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 04:26 PM
First of all thx a lot for checking guys. :)

Second, WTF APPLE? Is it that ********* hard to fix a glitch like that after 7!!!!!!!!!! ********* revisions? After I have sent in like a gazillion bug reports regarding that issue? Damn it, I'm losing faith here. :mad:

Tell us how you really feel. :D

Diatribe
Jun 27, 2006, 04:27 PM
Tell us how you really feel. :D

Hehe, sorry had to. :D

Multimedia
Jun 27, 2006, 04:27 PM
PPC:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1047comboppc.html

Intel:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1047combointel.htmlMuchas Gracias Amigos. :D

brepublican
Jun 27, 2006, 04:28 PM
Don't seem to be too many problems... apart from the dude who's MacBook died :(

*crosses fingers*

plinden
Jun 27, 2006, 04:29 PM
One thing I noticed in the description page on the Apple site is this:

You may experience unexpected results if you have third-party system software modifications installed, or if you've modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)

Guess that means folks who use Shapeshifter and the likes should be careful when updating.
Has anyone with Parallels installed tried the update? I'd hate to be the guinea pig.

amac4me
Jun 27, 2006, 04:31 PM
Anyone know the URL for the PPC Combo Updater?

PPC:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1047comboppc.html

Intel:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1047combointel.html

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 04:35 PM
Has anyone with Parallels installed tried the update? I'd hate to be the guinea pig.

Parallels is fine!

I'd suggest the Parallels is an OS addition, not a modification. It does not modify system files in any way. Rather, it simply loads a kernel extension. Nothing to run for the hills over :D

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 04:36 PM
My CPU whine got worse. :(

Mr. DG
Jun 27, 2006, 04:38 PM
do i need to install this? my intel mac mini is running fine. Still havent done the SMC firmware update 1.00 from a month or so ago. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Security updates i'm all for (though the sheer amount drove me away from windows), but i can't see anything on the apple list of updates that i need.

Bitman
Jun 27, 2006, 04:39 PM
8 Minutes from start of download to posting this message. 2.5 G5 39MB update. Everything working fine.

darwin022
Jun 27, 2006, 04:41 PM
My update was 133MB. Downloaded in about 1 minute (on a nice 24Mbps connection, ~3.1MB/sec), 17" MBP

Initial impressions: I wish I hadn't. Machine froze on shutdown and I had to power it off. Machine took about 4x longer than normal to reboot and log in. Subsequent reboots were about normal speed again.

Computer is running rather slowly right now, I'm hoping that changes.

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 04:42 PM
Did anyone mention a double bong?

Leondunkleyc
Jun 27, 2006, 04:43 PM
.

Unorthodox
Jun 27, 2006, 04:44 PM
The spotlight icon in the menu bar doesn't work.
Bummer, man.

Edit: Nothing a little login and out didn't fix though.
It seems to logout in and out faster.

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 04:46 PM
Oh brother. Does anyone know how to flash the update back to 10.4.6? Cuz the CPU whine got significantly worse (i had to bump QuietMBP from 150 to 100).

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 04:47 PM
The spotlight icon in the menu bar doesn't work.
Bummer, man.

Works for me.

darwin022
Jun 27, 2006, 04:47 PM
Oh brother. Does anyone know how to flash the update back to 10.4.6? Cuz the CPU whine got significantly worse (i had to bump QuietMBP from 150 to 100).
Archive and install.

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 04:47 PM
Did anyone mention a double bong?

10.4.6 was a double restart.

MattyMac
Jun 27, 2006, 04:49 PM
Im posting on my moms macbook now, but my powerbook has been on the blue screen with the spinning circle (not beachball) for over a half hour. I dont think this is normal. How do I stop this???

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 04:49 PM
Archive and install.

I don't plan on doing it, I just want to know how to do it. :o

Unorthodox
Jun 27, 2006, 04:50 PM
Oh brother. Does anyone know how to flash the update back to 10.4.6? Cuz the CPU whine got significantly worse (i had to bump QuietMBP from 150 to 100).
Go here (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/) and do a search for "10.4.6" or scroll thorough the list and find it.

reckless_0001
Jun 27, 2006, 04:51 PM
They didn't fix this with 10.4.6 so I thought 10.4.7 for sure... but no.

The newer webkit won't let me use this form...
http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/television/tvlistings/results.aspx

I have reported, it works in the nightly webkit and has for quite some time.. so... WTF?

skoker
Jun 27, 2006, 04:52 PM
Im posting on my moms macbook now, but my powerbook has been on the blue screen with the spinning circle (not beachball) for over a half hour. I dont think this is normal. How do I stop this???

Uh, no, not normal.

BTW, I'm loving the amount of amacgenius ownage in this thread. Keep up the good work guys!

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 04:52 PM
Im posting on my moms macbook now, but my powerbook has been on the blue screen with the spinning circle (not beachball) for over a half hour. I dont think this is normal. How do I stop this???


Is that during the shutdown just after the update's installed and downloaded?

This has happened to me a couple of times over the years too. Usually I'm really not patient enough to wait even 10mins, let alone 1/2 hour! I'd just hold the power button down until it powers off, then start it back up. Don't get scared during the long pause at the grey Apple logo at startup... now that's a really bad time to force a power-off, because it's at that point that the new files are being installed.

(edit) standard disclaimer: just because I've got away with it doesn't mean you certainly will :) But after 1/2 an hour.... what else is there to do?!

iGary
Jun 27, 2006, 04:54 PM
BTW, I'm loving the amount of amacgenius ownage in this thread. Keep up the good work guys!

LMAO!!

*falls down laughing* :D

brepublican
Jun 27, 2006, 04:55 PM
Im posting on my moms macbook now, but my powerbook has been on the blue screen with the spinning circle (not beachball) for over a half hour. I dont think this is normal. How do I stop this???
Oooo. Not so good. I'm posting on a Dell (yeah, I know) bc my PB is just booting up. It's *just* gone past the blue screen. Phew!

EDIT: Took less than 2 min

heyb
Jun 27, 2006, 04:56 PM
About 10 minutes to download update for my mac mini and also the iPhoto update.

Flowbee
Jun 27, 2006, 04:56 PM
Hey, does the update let me heal the blind and feed the hungry with my PowerMac? :D

I think Bill Gates is way ahead of Jobs on that one... :D

MattyMac
Jun 27, 2006, 04:57 PM
Is that during the shutdown just after the update's installed and downloaded?

This has happened to me a couple of times over the years too. Usually I'm really not patient enough to wait even 10mins, let alone 1/2 hour! I'd just hold the power button down until it powers off, then start it back up. Don't get scared during the long pause at the grey Apple logo at startup... now that's a really bad time to force a power-off, because it's at that point that the new files are being installed.
I think it was during shutdown...I just held the power button down no and am starting it up. Hopefully I didnt mess anything up.
Thanks for the advice!

DaveTheGrey
Jun 27, 2006, 04:58 PM
update went fine on my 12" PB, 1GHz, 1,256 Gig RAM, 100 Gig HD

transparentdock doesn't work anymore. guess 10.4.6 was just luck...

for all those disappointed pb and ibook users who want that "2 finger rightclick" feature:

iScroll2 (http://iscroll2.sourceforge.net/)

it also includes the "2 finger scroll" feature

dave

MattyMac
Jun 27, 2006, 04:59 PM
I think it was during shutdown...I just held the power button down no and am starting it up. Hopefully I didnt mess anything up.
Thanks for the advice!
Apple set up assistant came on...is that normal??

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 04:59 PM
I think it was during shutdown...I just held the power button down no and am starting it up. Hopefully I didnt mess anything up.
Thanks for the advice!

Ah, it'll be fine!

(five years on a Mac, and not a single forced reinstall due to OS bustage)

... I think I might be tempting fate :D

brepublican
Jun 27, 2006, 05:00 PM
update went fine on my 12" PB, 1GHz, 1,256 Gig RAM, 100 Gig HD

transparentdock doesn't work anymore. guess 10.4.6 was just luck...

for all those disappointed pb and ibook users who want that "2 finger rightclick" feature:

iScroll2 (http://iscroll2.sourceforge.net/)

it also includes the "2 finger scroll" feature

dave
What do you use to make your dock transparent? I use ClearDock and its working without any problems.

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 05:01 PM
Apple set up assistant came on...is that normal??

*spoke too soon*

*ducks!* *runs!*

Err. That doesn't usually happen....

Let us know how it goes :O

kettle
Jun 27, 2006, 05:01 PM
10.4.6 was a double restart.

Yeah, but I had that when I upgraded to 10.4.6

I had it again when I did 10.4.6 to 10.4.7 using the combo. Do you think it would be built in incase I was updating from 10.4.0 to 10.4.7?

anyone else using the combo?

bluebomberman
Jun 27, 2006, 05:03 PM
I'm probably the only one who cares, but Inkwell works in Firefox!

And I can finally use my Wacom tablet w/Spotlight!

EDIT: Never mind; my tablet works with the Spotlight window about 5% of the time. Ugh. Not much better than 0%.

MattyMac
Jun 27, 2006, 05:03 PM
*spoke too soon*

*ducks!* *runs!*

Err. That doesn't usually happen....

Let us know how it goes :O
I gave it the standard info and then it says there was an error in attempting to setup my dotmac account. I ALREADY HAVE A DOT MAC...Weird!!

Everything seems to be ok though about this mac says 10.4.7...etc.

Anything else I should check?

Stridder44
Jun 27, 2006, 05:03 PM
I understand the repairing permissions thing now, but do you think downloading the combo updater is better than simply using Software Update?


I know some people do but it sounds like more voodoo to me.

MagicBoy
Jun 27, 2006, 05:03 PM
I'm getting no new software updates when I run Software updater. Any idea why?

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 05:04 PM
I'm probably the only one who cares, but Inkwell works in Firefox!

And I can finally use my Wacom tablet w/Spotlight!

Cool. I was thinking of picking up an el-cheapo wacom tablet from eBay. I'm no artiste, so it'd be mainly for novelty value... good to hear it's actively being improved in OS X point-releases.

DaveTheGrey
Jun 27, 2006, 05:05 PM
What do you use to make your dock transparent? I use ClearDock and its working without any problems.

Im using transparentdock (http://www.freerangemac.com/) ;)
it also alloweds me to slow down the animationspeed of the dock.
but thanks for the hint.

dave

MattyMac
Jun 27, 2006, 05:05 PM
Im back posting on my PB now..hopefully everything is OK.

brepublican
Jun 27, 2006, 05:05 PM
I understand the repairing permissions thing now, but do you think downloading the combo updater is better than simply using Software Update?
I have always used software update and never had any problems. Except with 10.4.5 which sort of ruined my Finder and iPod updater... but all is well at the mo

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 05:08 PM
I gave it the standard info and then it says there was an error in attempting to setup my dotmac account. I ALREADY HAVE A DOT MAC...Weird!!

Everything seems to be ok though about this mac says 10.4.7...etc.

Anything else I should check?

*phew!*

Glad to hear it looks OK. At the back of my mind, I seem to remember Setup Assistant re-running for some users occasionally after updates, but I've not heard of it for a few years... possibly not since 10.2 or early 10.3.

Although I don't place much stock in running Repair Permissions as a part of regular maintenance, if I were you I'd probably give it a run in your situation... just to tidy up any loose ends. What does everyone else think?

acircularmotive
Jun 27, 2006, 05:09 PM
Installed the update.. although had to do the download manually.. oddly enough it didn't appear in my Software Update (?)... but anyway, that aside.. surprised the macbook moo hasn't been solved - checked Software Update following install of the update, and no firmware/fix has been listed as of yet - guess we'll have to wait.

How's the update handling on other Macbook's?

satty
Jun 27, 2006, 05:10 PM
The ad-blocker pithhelmet is not working with Safari 2.0.4. That will be a pain in the bottom and a sore for my eyes for the next couple of days or weeks :mad:

MattyMac
Jun 27, 2006, 05:10 PM
*phew!*

Glad to hear it looks OK. At the back of my mind, I seem to remember Setup Assistant re-running for some users occasionally after updates, but I've not heard of it for a few years... possibly not since 10.2 or early 10.3.

Although I don't place much stock in running Repair Permissions as a part of regular maintenance, if I were you I'd probably give it a run in your situation... just to tidy up any loose ends. What does everyone else think?
Should I do this...how do I do this?

Multimedia
Jun 27, 2006, 05:13 PM
I understand the repairing permissions thing now, but do you think downloading the combo updater is better than simply using Software Update?

I know some people do but it sounds like more voodoo to me.You never know. I figure the Combo is checking moe stuff. But I have no idea really. It's just as easy to run the Combo as it is the incremental so why take the risk the incremental will overlook something not included in it?

After 2 reboots beyond the install I report the Quad takes 25 seconds to go from restart to tone and another 1 minute 5 seconds back to the desktop.

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 05:14 PM
Should I do this...how do I do this?

I'd hold off to see if your Mac's behaving itself properly, and also to give others on the forum to chime in with their opinions. But should you want to, run Disk Utility from /Applications/Utilities. Then, highlight your startup volume in the left pane. You'll see a Verify Disk Permissions button, which will scan the volume's permissions for discrepancies, but not actually modify anything. Repair Disk Permissions will actually 'correct' those discrepances.

Might be worth doing the 'Verify' just to see what it comes back with.

The Senator
Jun 27, 2006, 05:14 PM
Did this update fix anyones airport problems on their macbookpro???

like dropping connections and range problems???

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 05:17 PM
Did this update fix anyones airport problems on their macbookpro???

like dropping connections and range problems???

The range has something to do with the casing being aluminum and I don't think so....

naderby
Jun 27, 2006, 05:18 PM
I'm holding off until that unconfirmed report of IMAP problems in 10.4.7. is checked over.

Please help if you can.

MagicBoy
Jun 27, 2006, 05:19 PM
I'm getting no new software updates when I run Software updater. Any idea why?


I'll shut up now - just popped up a reminder!

64Mb and about 2 minutes :D

FasterSoonerNow
Jun 27, 2006, 05:20 PM
Well, I just installed 10.4.7 on my iMac G5 w/ iSight.

Restarted... And now the fan is spinning non-stop. Woohoo. Thanks, Apple! :mad:

jesaja
Jun 27, 2006, 05:23 PM
I have no problems whatsoever connecting to my Imap servers (3 different ones...)

And everything else seems ok too (MBP 1,83; 1,5; 80) :)

Jojo

brepublican
Jun 27, 2006, 05:23 PM
I'll shut up now - just popped up a reminder!

64Mb and about 2 minutes :D
Haha, I was gonna ask if you were running Jaguar or Panther! One of my friends has Jaguar and he kept asking me why he was getting any updates...

displaced
Jun 27, 2006, 05:25 PM
New version of Saft compatible with 10.4.7's Safari is available!
http://haoli.dnsalias.com/2006/06/28.html#saft834

joeboy_45101
Jun 27, 2006, 05:27 PM
It looks like Safari is acting better now. I used to have a problem with the browser randomly freezing up but now it's working just fine. Everything else seems to be running just fine.

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 05:29 PM
Just finished upgrading, no problems with the dual boot!:D

Killyp
Jun 27, 2006, 05:30 PM
okay, I had some SERIOUS problems here!!!!!


I downloaded it all fine (took about 10 minutes for a 64.9 Mb download) and click Install and it gave me a Kernel Panic. Got me worried, but upon booting back up it looked normal, no damage done. Went back into Software Update and lowe and behold, there it was waiting for me to click Install again. I clicked that, and just left it to it's own devices. Did the install inside OS X fine, no problems there and then it went into the blue screen. Now I know that some people said it takes a while for the blue screen to go away, but is it really meant to take TWO HOURS? no no no I don't think so. Anyways, I took a (big) risk and held down the power for 4 secs and booted it back up again. It took (a bit) longer than normal to start up, but OS X is running fine now (that's what I'm on at the moment) and it says OS X 10.4.7 in the About This Mac window.

Should I do anything just to check it's all fine? I'm running check disk permissions at the moment...

robbents99
Jun 27, 2006, 05:33 PM
Updated my ppc pBook. No problems here.

jaxstate
Jun 27, 2006, 05:35 PM
Still no support for my Windows Mobile Smartphone :(

w8ing4intelmacs
Jun 27, 2006, 05:36 PM
for all those disappointed pb and ibook users who want that "2 finger rightclick" feature:

iScroll2 (http://iscroll2.sourceforge.net/)


Unfortunately, iscroll2 doesn't work with ppc ibook/powerbooks with the scrolling trackpad.

reckless_0001
Jun 27, 2006, 05:39 PM
Unfortunately, iscroll2 doesn't work with ppc ibook/powerbooks with the scrolling trackpad.

yah, but this one works...

http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/

I've used this on my G3 iBook

mmzplanet
Jun 27, 2006, 05:41 PM
39.8 for an 1.9 GHz - iMac G5 (built in iSight)

I have 2 IMAP accounts... I'll let ya know what happens there. Also, I am hoping iSync will work with my LG.

w8ing4intelmacs
Jun 27, 2006, 05:43 PM
yah, but this one works...

http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/


unfortunately, sidetrack costs money.

reckless_0001
Jun 27, 2006, 05:44 PM
unfortunately, sidetrack costs money.

If you don't mind the occasional reminder, it does what you want.

garethh
Jun 27, 2006, 05:45 PM
I have 2 IMAP accounts... I'll let ya know what happens there.

Please do, because it has broken mine :(

WillMak
Jun 27, 2006, 05:46 PM
Well, I just installed 10.4.7 on my iMac G5 w/ iSight.

Restarted... And now the fan is spinning non-stop. Woohoo. Thanks, Apple! :mad:

uhhhh...so should we not d/l this? does this fix the moo?

Mac Fly (film)
Jun 27, 2006, 05:47 PM
Anybody else expirence issues with this after update?
I think that's the only issue for me. Performance is better in Dash.. though.

reckless_0001
Jun 27, 2006, 05:47 PM
Please do, because it has broken mine :(

No probs with both of my IMAP accounts, however it did ask me if I wanted to update my keychains stuff to which I said 'change all'.. might just be a keychain prob for you IMAPers with that prob.

marcol
Jun 27, 2006, 05:49 PM
I'm holding off until that unconfirmed report of IMAP problems in 10.4.7. is checked over.

Please help if you can.

Seems fine. Receiving, moving and deleting messages work for me. Can't test sending from home (workplace smtp server blocks outside traffic).

EDIT: I allowed the Keychain changes reckless 0001 mentioned too

garethh
Jun 27, 2006, 05:50 PM
No probs with both of my IMAP accounts, however it did ask me if I wanted to update my keychains stuff to which I said 'change all'.. might just be a keychain prob for you IMAPers with that prob.

I clicked that too, but it stopped working anyway. Thunderbird is fine though, so it's not my network connection.

Menhir
Jun 27, 2006, 05:53 PM
iMac G4 here - 39.2 MB file.

Downloaded and installed with no issues so far. It did take longer than normal on the grey boot up screen with the apple logo, but went through just fine after a couple minutes.

HumanJHawkins
Jun 27, 2006, 05:53 PM
No worries here...

NO WORRIES?????

The update obviously turned your Quad G5 2.5GHz machine with 8GB of RAM into a dual 1.67 GHz with only 2 GB RAM. I'd be worried as heck! :D

mmzplanet
Jun 27, 2006, 05:56 PM
No problem with IMAP for me.

Still no LG phone support :( At least with the VX9800 anyway.

emaja
Jun 27, 2006, 05:59 PM
NO WORRIES?????

The update obviously turned your Quad G5 2.5GHz machine with 8GB of RAM into a dual 1.67 GHz with only 2 GB RAM. I'd be worried as heck! :D

I nearly spit orange juice out of my nose on that one! Thanks for the laugh!

wmmk
Jun 27, 2006, 06:00 PM
wait, if i changed a ton of icons, will i be OK?

QCassidy352
Jun 27, 2006, 06:01 PM
I'm the owner of a white macbook with 2GB of RAM,


First the bad news,

the whine is still there, and I can hear it even after starting Photobooth (which used to fixed the issue before), but it now sounds like something's frying inside the AC.

Worrisome... very worrisome. :eek:

Oh brother. Does anyone know how to flash the update back to 10.4.6? Cuz the CPU whine got significantly worse (i had to bump QuietMBP from 150 to 100).

ok, that does it... I am NOT installing this update until I know more!!

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 06:05 PM
Worrisome... very worrisome. :eek:



ok, that does it... I am NOT installing this update until I know more!!

Ah...the beauty of MagicNoiseKiller. Simply delete the updated keyboard, and use that joker, and bye-bye whine. Ah!!!!!!:D:D:D:D

emw
Jun 27, 2006, 06:05 PM
The whine issues could be related to 10.4.7 being more efficient with CPU usage, no?

Also, try exchanging your adapter - worked for me to eliminate the whine.

I'm going to hold off upgrading until I'm back in town. I hate to do a major upgrade on the road.

cantthinkofone
Jun 27, 2006, 06:05 PM
39.8 for me. does any one know if this fixes the volume problem with itunes? the one where it will switch to left or right for no reason?

Iroganai
Jun 27, 2006, 06:07 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, but do you know what the app
/System/Library/CoreServices/VerifiedDownloadAgent.app
is doing ? Did it exist with 10.4.6 ?

Kabeyun
Jun 27, 2006, 06:08 PM
As has been noted here, the native two-finger-tap-to-perform-a-right-click driver is part of the 10.4.7 upgrade. I wonder why Appple doesn't mention a thing about it in the software description.

Anyway, happy to have it as part of the OS, although John the Geek's driver replacement worked fine.

-K

The Red Wolf
Jun 27, 2006, 06:08 PM
Updating now! Give me update now! Arg! Download faster I'm not bloody enough! More bleeding edge! (38.9 for the PowerPC Mini)

~Rotwulf~

MBP123
Jun 27, 2006, 06:08 PM
Ah...the beauty of MagicNoiseKiller. Simply delete the updated keyboard, and use that joker, and bye-bye whine. Ah!!!!!!:D:D:D:D


what do you mean delete the updated keyboard? how do i do that? im about to reinstall 10.4.6 if i cant get rid of this whine

encro
Jun 27, 2006, 06:10 PM
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303771

Mail

POP accounts you create will no longer begin with the "Remove copy from server after retrieving a message..." preference setting turned off.


Yay! Thanks Apple.

This is going to make like much easier. ISP's have been complaining to Apple about this behaviour being disabled for quite a while now. This should definitely reduce a lot of mailbox over quota issues for many people. I don't have time to download the update before I leave for work but I wonder what the default removal time is set to now?


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303771

Syncing

Improves support for Motorola cell phones that sync via iSync and Bluetooth

Addresses an issue for Mac OS X 10.4.6 in which you might not be able to sync via iSync 2.2 with Sony Ericsson k700i or S700i phones.


Awesome, now I should hopefully be able to get my friends crap V3 to sync via bluetooth.

Glad to see the SE Sync Issue fixed also as this is also something thats started to happen with the S700i lately :)

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 06:11 PM
what do you mean delete the updated keyboard? how do i do that? im about to reinstall 10.4.6 if i cant get rid of this whine

This is all thanks to the great and wonderful Sushi. ;)

http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-197138.html

Follow the instructions to the letter. ;)

w8ing4intelmacs
Jun 27, 2006, 06:14 PM
If you don't mind the occasional reminder, it does what you want.

i mind.

bigcreek
Jun 27, 2006, 06:14 PM
Seems to run cooler than before. (Maybe a lot cooler) Fans run, but that's okay with me.

2-finger tap is great.

Awesome !

Week 12 15 " MBP

mtrctyjoe
Jun 27, 2006, 06:14 PM
So I guess safari will remain the slowest browser on the planet with poor multimedia capability? I hate that my $299 Dell with IE surfs the web 25% faster then my mac. Hate it.

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 06:15 PM
So I guess safari will remain the slowest browser on the planet with poor multimedia capability? I hate that my $299 Dell with IE surfs the web 25% faster then my mac. Hate it.

Yes. Safari is much faster!!!! :eek:

Who said it wasn't?

MacRumorUser
Jun 27, 2006, 06:16 PM
Black MacBook

133mb, machine making NO moo noises, no whines... But then it wasnt with 10.4.6 either so I don't know what my point is :p

Was there no graphics driver updates with this release, strange as usually there's always one with the new update.

iTwitch
Jun 27, 2006, 06:17 PM
Just finished, 7 minute download, 2-3 minute install and 4 minutes to reboot. All seems well on my trusty G4 iBook.

BTW, why doesn't my start up disk show in the 'About ...' box?

VanNess
Jun 27, 2006, 06:18 PM
Looks like the scrolling bug in Safari pertaining to some embedded flash content (where flash content would lag slightly behind the rest of the page when scrolled) introduced in Flash 8 (http://www.kaourantin.net/archive/2005_07_01_flashgraphics_archive.html) seems to have been fixed - finally. (FWIW, I'm using the latest beta of Flash 9)

The issue didn't seem to effect mozilla based browsers.

encro
Jun 27, 2006, 06:19 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, but do you know what the app
/System/Library/CoreServices/VerifiedDownloadAgent.app
is doing ? Did it exist with 10.4.6 ?


It's new and part of the 10.4.7 update:
"You can now verify whether or not a Dashboard widget you downloaded is the same version as a widget featured on (www.apple.com) before installing it.

There is also:
/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/VerifiedDownloadPlugin.plugin

MacRumorUser
Jun 27, 2006, 06:21 PM
Just finished, 7 minute download, 2-3 minute install and 4 minutes to reboot. All seems well on my trusty G4 iBook.

BTW, why doesn't my start up disk show in the 'About ...' box?

How do you get the funky customised apple and tiger info???

Unorthodox
Jun 27, 2006, 06:21 PM
Just finished, 7 minute download, 2-3 minute install and 4 minutes to reboot. All seems well on my trusty G4 iBook.

BTW, why doesn't my start up disk show in the 'About ...' box?
How did you change the Apple logo in your "About this Mac" window?

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 06:23 PM
How do you get the funky customised apple and tiger info???

They have the PPC, we have the Intel. So naturally, we get a better looking about this mac screen. ;)

though that could be it, you never know, i just pulled bull out of my bum

garethh
Jun 27, 2006, 06:26 PM
Just an update on my IMAP problems... I booted from my backup HD under 10.4.6 and it works fine. So I am quite confused as to why there are problems under 10.4.7. Oh well.

mmzplanet
Jun 27, 2006, 06:29 PM
Just an update on my IMAP problems... I booted from my backup HD under 10.4.6 and it works fine. So I am quite confused as to why there are problems under 10.4.7. Oh well.

I am using IMAP on 10.4.7 with no problems at all. The only action taken after the reboot was that I selected "Change All" on my keychain when prompted.

mike.b
Jun 27, 2006, 06:32 PM
ok, did the update, it`s all fine. The only thing (and most expected with this update for me) that i just can`t understand :mad: is why :confused: they only allow nokia 9300i in iSync and not 9300.

They are almost identical phones, 9300i has wireless network adapter. and don`t tell me it was too hard to do it. This is so uncool.

benthewraith
Jun 27, 2006, 06:37 PM
ok, did the update, it`s all fine. The only thing (and most expected with this update for me) that i just can`t understand :mad: is why :confused: they only allow nokia 9300i in iSync and not 9300.

They are almost identical phones, 9300i has wireless network adapter. and don`t tell me it was too hard to do it. This is so uncool.

Why won't they work on my LG bluetooth phone. :mad:

it5five
Jun 27, 2006, 06:38 PM
Took a long time to go from the blue screen immediately after startup to the desktop and bring up the menu bar... It happened but it was a while.

No other problems though

Glad to see I wasn't the only one that happened to. Better not happen every time I turn my MB on.

Also, my MB is still mooing.

bwanac
Jun 27, 2006, 06:40 PM
No big news here.

Oh wells.

Piscinero
Jun 27, 2006, 06:43 PM
They could. But they never have...

Actually Panther was the only version of os X to go to 10.3.9. Check the fact please.

Piscinero
Jun 27, 2006, 06:44 PM
While that may be true, if memory serves they always have ended at 10.x.9

Memory doesn't serve you, Panther was the only one to go to 10.3.9. Ooops.

MacRumorUser
Jun 27, 2006, 06:46 PM
^ Split post personality disorder ^ :D

EagerDragon
Jun 27, 2006, 06:47 PM
It is probably my imagination, but the screen looks like it has more contrast after the re-boot and the icon descriptions in the desktop look sharper. More than likely my imagination.

MacRumorUser
Jun 27, 2006, 06:49 PM
It is probably my imagination, but the screen looks like it has more contrast after the re-boot and the icon descriptions in the desktop look sharper. More than likely my imagination.

On what machine ? Are you sure it's not just a re-calibration of color, that's possible I guess.

hulugu
Jun 27, 2006, 06:50 PM
Hey, does the update let me heal the blind and feed the hungry with my PowerMac? :D

What and take away all the glory from Leopard? I don't think so. :D


G4 PowerMac appears fine. I'll check on my Powerbooks soon.

tosoil
Jun 27, 2006, 06:54 PM
Those who get worse whine after the update,

I believe the answer is in the following.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2231486&

Please let me know how it worked...

TiBookG4/5
Jun 27, 2006, 06:55 PM
Yay! Thanks Apple.

This is going to make like much easier. ISP's have been complaining to Apple about this behaviour being disabled for quite a while now. This should definitely reduce a lot of mailbox over quota issues for many people. I don't have time to download the update before I leave for work but I wonder what the default removal time is set to now?



Awesome, now I should hopefully be able to get my friends crap V3 to sync via bluetooth.

Glad to see the SE Sync Issue fixed also as this is also something thats started to happen with the S700i lately :)

Actually this change in Mail behavior is not welcomed by all. Before Apple changed the default setting to off for "Remove copy from server after retrieving a message:" I frequently lost all of my emails that were intentionally saved (backed up) on my server. I am annoyed that this option is now on when new POP Accounts are crated. When any user completes the set up for a new POP Account, Mail automatically begins downloading emails before any user can go to the Advanced Preferences tab and disable this option prior to emails being removed from the server. I suppose the only way to prevent this is to create POP Accounts when the computer is unplugged from a network connection.

The correct thing Apple should have done is to place this option in the set up for POP Accounts. Additionally Mail should not attempt to connect to the server and begin downloading emails immediately after the POP Account settings are configured.


PS. The updates to iSync are completely silly and useless. I hope Apple has plans to add support for more common phones that large numbers of people own. Virtually the entire list of supported phones is composed of completely obsolete handsets and devices.

posguy99
Jun 27, 2006, 06:59 PM
DON'T do this...by repairing permission according to BOM on the install disc, you can revert permissions to out-of-date ones. Always repair permissions according to the BOMs on your hard drive. Not that it actually does anything most of the time...it's a nice security blanket though.

Where do people continue to get this silly-season stuff? A repair permissions operation *always* uses the information available on the volume you're repairing, *not* on the volume you're booted from.

EagerDragon
Jun 27, 2006, 07:01 PM
:D nope

i'm still waiting for the 3 finger right click and save as feature;)

If you sell it and donate the money you can help world hunger.

EagerDragon
Jun 27, 2006, 07:05 PM
On what machine ? Are you sure it's not just a re-calibration of color, that's possible I guess.

Seems have more contrast. Machine is PB 15, 1.67

encro
Jun 27, 2006, 07:16 PM
I am annoyed that this option is now on when new POP Accounts are crated. When any user completes the set up for a new POP Account, Mail automatically begins downloading emails before any user can go to the Advanced Preferences tab and disable this option prior to emails being removed from the server. I suppose the only way to prevent this is to create POP Accounts when the computer is unplugged from a network connection.

The correct thing Apple should have done is to place this option in the set up for POP Accounts. Additionally Mail should not attempt to connect to the server and begin downloading emails immediately after the POP Account settings are configured.


True, that would have been more appropriate in the mail setup assistant. I assume you are also aware that you can do a manual config by holding option(alt) and clicking the add account button as a workaround?

nathan2301
Jun 27, 2006, 07:19 PM
Working flawlessly for me. No adverse affects with Bootcamp and Vista running.

All is working as expected :) PHEW!!

No support for my Sony Ericsson M600i though :(

Baron58
Jun 27, 2006, 07:23 PM
DON'T do this...by repairing permission according to BOM on the install disc, you can revert permissions to out-of-date ones. Always repair permissions according to the BOMs on your hard drive. Not that it actually does anything most of the time...it's a nice security blanket though.


WRONG. In 10.4.x, the BOMs on the drive being repaired are the ones refereced, to prevent exactly that problem.

This change may have been in 10.3.x as well, but it's definitely in 10.4.x. Looking for the reference on it....

Anonymous Freak
Jun 27, 2006, 07:23 PM
Still no support for my Windows Mobile Smartphone :(

Try Mark/Space (http://www.missingsync.com/)'s The Missing Sync. Works great for unsupported PDAs. It's $40 download ($50 if they also ship you a CD,) but it's worth it. I've used it for three PDAs in a row now, and have never had a problem. Heck, unlike iSync, it reminds you that you haven't synced in a while, and has a status menu item that gives you quick access.

autrefois
Jun 27, 2006, 07:29 PM
Downloaded and installed with no problems to Mail IMAP accounts or anything else so far.

Someone complained about not fixing spacing on desktop icons for 6 updates. I still can't believe the French software update still says "Installation de Installation de [...]" (basically the equivalent of saying "Installing installing [...]") every time it updates anything. Oh well.

cgc
Jun 27, 2006, 07:32 PM
My computer crashes after waking from sleep with 10.4.7.

p0intblank
Jun 27, 2006, 07:33 PM
I downloaded it and everything seems to be fine... except for Transparent Dock. :( It's not working.

WildCowboy
Jun 27, 2006, 07:33 PM
Where do people continue to get this silly-season stuff? A repair permissions operation *always* uses the information available on the volume you're repairing, *not* on the volume you're booted from.

WRONG. In 10.4.x, the BOMs on the drive being repaired are the ones refereced, to prevent exactly that problem.

This change may have been in 10.3.x as well, but it's definitely in 10.4.x. Looking for the reference on it....

Based on my scanning, you are both correct. Guess there's a lot of misinformation out there, including in our own MacGuides article (http://guides.macrumors.com/Repairing_Permissions) on the topic. Thanks for setting me straight. :o

Since permissions are repaired based on the BOMs of the target disk, there is of course no good reason to repair permissions from the install disc anyway unless things are so screwed up on your machine that you are unable to do it while booted.

sporothrix
Jun 27, 2006, 07:36 PM
my mbp seems to be running a bit better. there's no lag when i open non rosetta programs anymore. On 10.4.6 my computer would lock up for about a half second when using tigerlaunch but no there's no delay. So as far as I see the computer seems to be smoother.

WillMak
Jun 27, 2006, 07:39 PM
Any reports of this update fixing the moo?