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macgeek2005
Jun 28, 2006, 01:34 AM
I'm looking for any articles or documents that explain or interpret exactly what part Steve Jobs played in whatever he did with computers and revolutions and such.

Was he behind everything that got the computer to the way it is today?

Did he single handedly bring the world from CD players to MP3 players?

Did he invent the first music player for a computer that stores all your music in it?

So coming down to the point.... what exactly did he do? What would have happened if he did not do what he did?

Thanks.

kretzy
Jun 28, 2006, 01:39 AM
Read the Wikipedia article about him. I think it's a good summary of everything he's done.

mad jew
Jun 28, 2006, 01:43 AM
Steve Jobs represents Apple and therefore gets a lot of the credit for their achievements but also a lot of the flack for their faults. He has made a lot of good decisions in recent history and has in my opinion, led the company extremely well. Having said that, a lot of the credit must also go to his team of engineers, designers and marketers. :)

kretzy
Jun 28, 2006, 01:46 AM
Yeah MJ makes a good point. I doubt that he is solely responsible for anything he has been credited with, however I get the impression that much of his contribution is his vision of what people want/need/will want/need and then being able to bring it all to fruition with the help of many along the way.

Peace
Jun 28, 2006, 02:01 AM
Steve Jobs has a pretty good knack for knowing what the computer industry wants in a computer..

dextertangocci
Jun 28, 2006, 03:28 AM
Try www.thankyousteve.com, and click on links. I'm sure I saw a biography of Steve there, as well as photos and videos.

GimmeSlack12
Jun 29, 2006, 08:46 AM
Steve Jobs has a pretty good knack for knowing what the computer industry wants in a computer..
I think that sums it up pretty well.

It isn't that he took a screwdriver and some metal and made an iPod. It's that he pushed for the iPod. He pushed the Mac OS. He pushes ideas that people will go for. He recognizes that simple is better. Some agree and some don't, but you can't ignore that he has changed things.

jdechko
Jun 30, 2006, 10:21 AM
It isn't that he took a screwdriver and some metal and made an iPod. It's that he pushed for the iPod. He pushed the Mac OS. He pushes ideas that people will go for. He recognizes that simple is better. Some agree and some don't, but you can't ignore that he has changed things.

On a similar note, Steve Jobs (and subsequently Apple) took devices that already existed (Computers, Portable music/video players) and made them better. Not only that but Jobs and Apple got these devices to the mass public (IE: The Apple I and II were some of, if not the, first mass-marketed personal computers; the iPod is the "best" mp3 player on the market).

Also, the first version of MS office was originally released on Mac. In fact, 3 out of the first 4 versions of Office were mac versions. :) So I guess you could say that Apple even helped Microsoft a little bit in the beginning.

SilentPanda
Jun 30, 2006, 11:00 AM
Read the book or get the audiobook from iTunes, "The Second Coming of Steve Jobs"... lots of info there...

jsw
Jun 30, 2006, 11:12 AM
Ask your uncle (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2430881&postcount=1). :rolleyes:

Is there some particular reason you can't use Google or Wiki?

imacintel
Jun 30, 2006, 11:20 AM
Ask your uncle (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2430881&postcount=1). :rolleyes:

Is there some particular reason you can't use Google or Wiki?

Exactly.

Serves him/her right to be banned.

jelloshotsrule
Jun 30, 2006, 11:41 AM
Exactly.

Serves him/her right to be banned.

i'm not sure one gets banned for making crazy claims about inside information....

netdog
Jun 30, 2006, 11:46 AM
Steve Jobs has a pretty good knack for knowing what the computer industry wants in a computer..

I think he is great at targeting a particular sector of the market and what that crowd wants and is willing to pay a premium for.

While the successful of these innovations do trickle down to Windows and Windows machines, by that time, the Apple sector expect more again. Steve tends to deliver what we want...imaginative tech in beautiful packages. And yes, I do think that he drives the company to hit those standards.

jsw
Jun 30, 2006, 11:49 AM
i'm not sure one gets banned for making crazy claims about inside information.... Correct... that's not why he was banned. And his ban is not permanent.

redAPPLE
Jun 30, 2006, 12:09 PM
Ask your uncle (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2430881&postcount=1). :rolleyes:

Is there some particular reason you can't use Google or Wiki?

his "uncle" is busy leaking the new revolutionary iPods. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=213166) :D

Xander562
Jun 30, 2006, 12:55 PM
i think Steve Jobs was/is mainly a good businessman. From the wikipedia article it seems that Wozniak was the one with real ideas about computing i.e. circuit boards and such. and all steve did was see the potential and ask him co-found a company.

Timepass
Jun 30, 2006, 01:08 PM
I dont give Steve Jobs credit for apples ideas. I highly doute he came up with many if any of them. That another team that does it.

What I do give him credit for is he gave apple direction again and gives them a direction to go. He is a good leader and he leading apple to where they need to go. A good leader does not need to come up with any ideas to be good at it. But they have to be good at giving a group direction to head in and a know how to deliegate task. They shouldnt have there hand in everything or tell everything how it should be done. At least to me. I always veiw a good leader as some one who can see if a path is heading in wrong direction. Lead by giving general direction and let the fine details and finer points be handed by the person who doing them.

He gave apple a general direction to head in. Something it needed becasue it didnt have a vision and that what he help apple form.

As for businessman yeah he good but he has a lot of issues that prevent him from being a great businessman. As bad as it sounds an example of a Great Businessman is Bill Gates. The good businessman will always get one of those lucky breaks but it knowing how to use that lucky break to it full potintion Jobs did that Gates did it as well.

Chaszmyr
Jun 30, 2006, 01:22 PM
I dont give Steve Jobs credit for apples ideas. I highly doute he came up with many if any of them. That another team that does it.

There are probably some he comes up with, but that number is probably the vast minority. You are correct about that. However, Apple develops far more products than make it to the market, and they make many prototypes of products before they are released... Steve Jobs is the guy that decides if a product is suited for release or not, and he pushes his teams to always make better products.

Timepass
Jun 30, 2006, 01:28 PM
There are probably some he comes up with, but that number is probably the vast minority. You are correct about that. However, Apple develops far more products than make it to the market, and they make many prototypes of products before they are released... Steve Jobs is the guy that decides if a product is suited for release or not, and he pushes his teams to always make better products.


see I dont even thing that. Desiding everything like that is way to hands on and general enough for a head of a company. They handle everything in a general since. If he does stuff like that then it just shows some of his huge flaws os a CEO. He can ax some ideas but I think a lot of the stuff is handled buy underlines. He pushes the company to keep moving and the other teams but apple huge so everything is done in a very general since of the world.

Like an example could be the iPod. Some past on to jobs a good idea would be lets make a hard drive MP3 player. Jobs says ok and from there he doesnt have much play in the iPod delevpoment. He may ok the final design but a lot of the stuff I dont think he makes the final call on it. Other groups do that.

Chaszmyr
Jun 30, 2006, 01:38 PM
see I dont even thing that. Desiding everything like that is way to hands on and general enough for a head of a company. They handle everything in a general since. If he does stuff like that then it just shows some of his huge flaws os a CEO. He can ax some ideas but I think a lot of the stuff is handled buy underlines. He pushes the company to keep moving and the other teams but apple huge so everything is done in a very general since of the world.

Different CEOs handle their job differently. I've seen a handful of interviews that suggest Steve does what I said. One that comes to mind was an interview a a few years back, where Ive said he showed Jobs his design for the new G4 iMac that looked like a slimmed down G3 iMac, and Jobs sent him back to the drawing board.

Apple employees are none for having a sort of love-hate relationship with Jobs. He goes around looking at their work, and if he doesn't like it he's not afraid to yell at them. I even had one Apple employee say to me "you always know when Steve is on campus because you can hear the yelling."

commonpeople
Jun 30, 2006, 01:42 PM
Steve Jobs writes every line of every Mac OS release. FACT.

Steve Jobs personally designs the circuit boards inside every Mac. FACT.

Steve Jobs handles all the Apple orders over the internet and packs each Mac into its cardboard box. FACT.

Steve Jobs does all the artwork and designs and runs the Apple website. FACT.

Now you know.

imacintel
Jun 30, 2006, 01:45 PM
Steve Jobs is much more in to ideas and making them happen rather than Wozzy who is how it all works.

Timepass
Jun 30, 2006, 02:12 PM
Different CEOs handle their job differently. I've seen a handful of interviews that suggest Steve does what I said. One that comes to mind was an interview a a few years back, where Ive said he showed Jobs his design for the new G4 iMac that looked like a slimmed down G3 iMac, and Jobs sent him back to the drawing board.

Apple employees are none for having a sort of love-hate relationship with Jobs. He goes around looking at their work, and if he doesn't like it he's not afraid to yell at them. I even had one Apple employee say to me "you always know when Steve is on campus because you can hear the yelling."


hmm yeah that what I figure and yeah makes me think pretty low of him as a leader in that way. I dont think a good leader should have to go to yelling all the time. I dont think demolizing some one is the way to make them work better. But that does fit with his personallity of having a stick up his rear and his own argents will be his undoing and ultamately his failure. It has costed him heavily in the past. It was the reason apple fired him in the past (something needed to be done other wise he would of killed apple. I beleive even Jobs has stated that).

HGW
Jul 1, 2006, 10:03 AM
steve jobs decided that a personal computer belonged in the average household when they just belonged to big industry.

and that's the core of apple

smwatson
Jul 1, 2006, 11:24 AM
steve jobs decided that a personal computer belonged in the average household when they just belonged to big industry.

and that's the core of apple

Preach! ;)

Verto
Jul 1, 2006, 01:21 PM
Steve Jobs writes every line of every Mac OS release. FACT.

Steve Jobs personally designs the circuit boards inside every Mac. FACT.

Steve Jobs handles all the Apple orders over the internet and packs each Mac into its cardboard box. FACT.

Steve Jobs does all the artwork and designs and runs the Apple website. FACT.

Now you know.

:D

FragTek
Jul 1, 2006, 01:28 PM
There's a movie called "Pirates of Silicon Valley" which does a pretty good job portraying the whole computer revolution and how both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were involved. It's a pretty darn good movie... I don't know if you can rent it or not, it was a made for TV production IIRC.

I have it if anyone is interested in seeing it.

Thomas Veil
Jul 2, 2006, 11:23 AM
Steve has VISION.

When computers were DOS and worked with keyboards, he came up with the GUI and mouse. True, he borrowed those ideas from other companies, but who brought them to fruition?

When people visualized computers mostly as business machines, who made them fun to use in the home?

When portable devices meant mostly things like Palm Pilots, who came up with the iPod?

When they said it was impossible to come up with a music-selling business model that would satisfy customers and the industry, who invented iTMS?

No, he doesn't do the work himself. But he sure as hell knows how to point the company in the right direction.

Chaszmyr
Jul 2, 2006, 03:20 PM
Steve Jobs writes every line of every Mac OS release. FACT.

Steve Jobs personally designs the circuit boards inside every Mac. FACT.

Steve Jobs handles all the Apple orders over the internet and packs each Mac into its cardboard box. FACT.

Steve Jobs does all the artwork and designs and runs the Apple website. FACT.

Steve Jobs can beat up Chuck Norris. FACT.

:p

Chaszmyr
Jul 2, 2006, 03:22 PM
When they said it was impossible to come up with a music-selling business model that would satisfy customers and the industry, who invented iTMS?

No, he doesn't do the work himself. But he sure as hell knows how to point the company in the right direction.

I don't agree with all of your earlier points, especially the iPod one, but this one about iTMS is good. According to all the reports, Steve Jobs personally went and met with all the record industry executives to convince them iTMS was a good idea.

Malfoy
Jul 2, 2006, 04:21 PM
Steve has VISION.

When computers were DOS and worked with keyboards, he came up with the GUI and mouse. True, he borrowed those ideas from other companies, but who brought them to fruition?

When people visualized computers mostly as business machines, who made them fun to use in the home?

When portable devices meant mostly things like Palm Pilots, who came up with the iPod?

When they said it was impossible to come up with a music-selling business model that would satisfy customers and the industry, who invented iTMS?

No, he doesn't do the work himself. But he sure as hell knows how to point the company in the right direction.


Who brought it to fruition? MS. Apple may have had a better implementation of a GUI(and even I find that hard to swallow) but MS really brought it to the masses.

Before iPod there was Rio. They made good players. iPod just came right when Mp3s were becoming a much bigger deal. To say ipod changed portable devices is like saying mp3s were nothing before napster.

As for a model that pleases both RIAA and the industry ehhh thats a stretch. They tolerate it. I would hardly called the industry pleased with it. They are a bit too vocal to be pleased with it.

Thomas Veil
Jul 2, 2006, 05:08 PM
Who brought it to fruition? MS. Apple may have had a better implementation of a GUI(and even I find that hard to swallow) but MS really brought it to the masses.Then this must be wrong:

The GUI familiar to most of us today is either the Macintosh or the Windows operating systems. Their applications originated at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Laboratory in the late 1970s. Apple used it in their first Macintosh computers. Later, Microsoft built on many of Apple's ideas in their first version of the Windows operating system for IBM-compatible PCs.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface

Before iPod there was Rio. They made good players. iPod just came right when Mp3s were becoming a much bigger deal. To say ipod changed portable devices is like saying mp3s were nothing before napster.Yeah, there were other mp3 players, but nothing really grabbed the public's imagination like the iPod. You may feel differently. (shrugs)

As for a model that pleases both RIAA and the industry ehhh thats a stretch. They tolerate it. I would hardly called the industry pleased with it. They are a bit too vocal to be pleased with it.Again, Steve got the music industry to go along with it when others didn't. Later arguments about profit margins are, well, later arguments about profit margins.

IJ Reilly
Jul 2, 2006, 07:04 PM
There's a movie called "Pirates of Silicon Valley" which does a pretty good job portraying the whole computer revolution and how both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were involved. It's a pretty darn good movie... I don't know if you can rent it or not, it was a made for TV production IIRC.

I have it if anyone is interested in seeing it.

It's entertaining, but as history, it's pretty weak, as are most TV versions of reality.

I'd suggest reading "Accidental Empires" by Robert X. Cringely. Also very entertaining, but as far as I've been able to determine, also accurate.

wmmk
Jul 2, 2006, 11:12 PM
Steve Jobs is much more in to ideas and making them happen rather than Wozzy who is how it all works.
partly true, but steve wozniak hasn't worked at apple for quite a while now.