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IJ Reilly
Jun 28, 2006, 07:08 PM
From Bloomberg News
June 28, 2006

Microsoft Corp. said one of the most anticipated features of its next Windows operating system, planned for a separate release next year, had been canceled.

Microsoft had planned to ship the WinFS file system shortly after Windows Vista, which is slated to reach stores in January. In a weblog entry Friday, Quentin Clark, an executive on the project, wrote that WinFS would not ship separately. Some of it will be rolled into a later product.

WinFS was considered by investors to be the crucial feature that would spur upgrades to Vista when Microsoft separated the technologies in 2004 to complete Vista by 2006. The cancellation is the latest change involving Vista, which is running more than two years late and requiring Microsoft to revamp parts of the product and drop some features.

"This was the major feature of Windows Vista," said Joe Wilcox, an analyst at Jupiter Research. "It was part of the operating system and it was an opportunity for developers. Spreading it out into other things that might appear someday is not the same thing."

Microsoft shares rose 4 cents to $22.86.

WinFS was designed to change the way certain types of data, including photos, e-mails and music, were categorized to simplify searches for related files stored in different programs. Some of that categorization is also possible using personal computer search programs from Microsoft and Google Inc., Wilcox said.

Some of the WinFS technology will be rolled into the next version of Microsoft's SQL database server, code-named Katmai, Clark wrote in his posting.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-micro28jun28,1,5902784.story?

iGary
Jun 28, 2006, 07:17 PM
Ooops...just goes to show you...garbage in garbage out.

Chundles
Jun 28, 2006, 07:17 PM
Well go-lleey that's a sur-prise!!!
http://www.stevenshiles.com/gomer11.jpg

Bern
Jun 28, 2006, 07:29 PM
So to be honest Vista is just going to be XP Pro with bubbly, transparent icons and some OS X like features and the users will be telling us in a few years time that MS had it first. :p

Bill Gates
Jun 28, 2006, 09:13 PM
There's another reason not to upgrade my XP boxes. They'd barely run Vista anyway since it's so darn resource intensive.

IJ Reilly
Jun 28, 2006, 10:04 PM
Well go-lleey that's a sur-prise!!!

:D Now tell me, how does an Aussie know about Gomer?

benthewraith
Jun 28, 2006, 10:10 PM
There's another reason not to upgrade my XP boxes. They'd barely run Vista anyway since it's so darn resource intensive.

Considering Vista recommends a GIG of RAM, Windows Vista can bite my arse. After reading about everything from Vista, I'm glad I made the switch to Mac. :)

Chundles
Jun 28, 2006, 10:16 PM
:D Now tell me, how does an Aussie know about Gomer?

1. It was on TV here too.
2. I spent my early childhood in Phoenix AZ.
3. There aren't many TV shows that haven't made it down here.

Don't make me bust out and F-Troop reference, no matter how fitting it may be to MSoft's approach to making software.

CoMpX
Jun 28, 2006, 10:17 PM
Microsoft really doesn't know what they are doing do they? I mean look how disorganized they must be! TWO YEARS off schedule AND they had to drop some major features.

Apple has no problem rolling out a new OS about every year. It's things like this that really make we wonder why Windows is the majority, and Macs are the minority. People need to stop being such PCheads, and open their eyes because there IS something better out there.

I'm sorry, it just really frustrates me that people put up with crap like this from Microsoft, and still think Macs are crappy.:mad:

IJ Reilly
Jun 28, 2006, 10:23 PM
1. It was on TV here too.
2. I spent my early childhood in Phoenix AZ.
3. There aren't many TV shows that haven't made it down here.

Don't make me bust out and F-Troop reference, no matter how fitting it may be to MSoft's approach to making software.

Well you gots sum gud ed-u-cation there son.

Number one is the shocker. Of all the American TV, it always seems to be the most lame-brained stuff that finds its way to other countries. It makes me a little queasy to think about it.

dmw007
Jun 28, 2006, 10:32 PM
Ooops...just goes to show you...garbage in garbage out.


Yep, that is pretty much the case iGary.


So to be honest Vista is just going to be XP Pro with bubbly, transparent icons and some OS X like features and the users will be telling us in a few years time that MS had it first. :p


I think you just hit the nail on the head Bern. :rolleyes: :)

MisterMe
Jun 28, 2006, 10:36 PM
That WinFS has been cancelled as part of Vista is hardly surprising. I have asserted for the record that Vista will never ship.

dmw007
Jun 28, 2006, 10:55 PM
That WinFS has been cancelled as part of Vista is hardly surprising. I have asserted for the record that Vista will never ship.


You may very well be proven right at the rate M$ is going MisterMe. ;) :D

Bill Gates
Jun 28, 2006, 10:56 PM
That WinFS has been cancelled as part of Vista is hardly surprising. I have asserted for the record that Vista will never ship.
Vista will ship as a simple theme pack for Windows XP SP5 as part of Microsoft Plus! for Windows XP, 2012 Edition.

dmw007
Jun 28, 2006, 11:10 PM
Vista will ship as a simple theme pack for Windows XP SP5 as part of Microsoft Plus! for Windows XP, 2012 Edition.


LOL :D


Of course by that time, Apple will have obtained a whopping 85%+ market share and M$ will be on the verge of bankruptcy. ;) :D

xparaparafreakx
Jun 28, 2006, 11:15 PM
I installed Vista while waiting for XP Pro to ship and it isnt all that. Vista is candy coated XP with too many problems, one being open gl.

Bill Gates
Jun 28, 2006, 11:19 PM
LOL :D


Of course by that time, Apple will have obtained a whopping 85%+ market share and M$ will be on the verge of bankruptcy. ;) :D
On the verge, but not bankrupt. Microsoft and Apple will sign a 5 year agreement. Here are the details that I have learned from a dear friend with a flux capacitor:

-Apple will purchase $150 million worth of non-voting shares of Microsoft stock
-Safari will be the default browser in Windows
-Apple will produce the iWork suite for Windows for at least 5 years
-Both companies will sign a cross-licensing agreement, with the bulk of it detailing how Apple will allow Microsoft to replace it's antiquated "Blue Screen of Death" with any new Mac OS kernel panic messages as they're developed

I'd tell you more but I've got to go wax my Delorean. Oh wait...

dmw007
Jun 28, 2006, 11:27 PM
On the verge, but not bankrupt. Microsoft and Apple will sign a 5 year agreement. Here are the details that I have learned from a dear friend with a flux capacitor:

-Apple will purchase $150 million worth of non-voting shares of Microsoft stock
-Safari will be the default browser in Windows
-Apple will produce the iWork suite for Windows for at least 5 years
-Both companies will sign a cross-licensing agreement, with the bulk of it detailing how Apple will allow Microsoft to replace it's antiquated "Blue Screen of Death" with any new Mac OS kernel panic messages as they're developed

I'd tell you more but I've got to go wax my Delorean. Oh wait...

Sounds great Bill Gates! ;) :D



BTW, what kind of gas mileage does your Delorean get? ;)

Bill Gates
Jun 28, 2006, 11:29 PM
Sounds great Bill Gates! ;) :D



BTW, what kind of gas mileage does your Delorean get? ;)
Well I've converted it to run on food scraps (in case you didn't already know), but in relative terms I can go approximately 5 miles on one banana peel. She seems to like the octane boost provided by old Windows 95 CD's, which 'up' the mileage to 10 miles per banana peel per CD.

CubaTBird
Jun 28, 2006, 11:32 PM
microsoft cancels a feature in windows only to bust out and advertise a new one on their windows vista site. you watch. ;)

yg17
Jun 28, 2006, 11:40 PM
So, is WinFS being pushed back to the version of Windows after Vista? Great, we won't be seeing it until the year 2074

IJ Reilly
Jun 29, 2006, 12:21 AM
So, is WinFS being pushed back to the version of Windows after Vista? Great, we won't be seeing it until the year 2074

I think the plan is to keep cutting planned features until what's left is what they've already got finished, and call it Windows Vista. And who will disagree?

It's like the joke about carving a sculpture of an elephant from a block of stone. You simply hammer off everything that doesn't look like an elephant.

MisterMe
Jun 29, 2006, 08:40 AM
So, is WinFS being pushed back to the version of Windows after Vista? Great, we won't be seeing it until the year 2074No. It is being incorporated into MySQL (http://idoel.smilejogja.com/).

dmw007
Jun 29, 2006, 09:01 AM
Well I've converted it to run on food scraps (in case you didn't already know), but in relative terms I can go approximately 5 miles on one banana peel. She seems to like the octane boost provided by old Windows 95 CD's, which 'up' the mileage to 10 miles per banana peel per CD.

Awesome, I gotta get me one of those cars. ;) :D

So, is WinFS being pushed back to the version of Windows after Vista? Great, we won't be seeing it until the year 2074

No, I fear we wont see WinFS until at least then yg17. :rolleyes: ;)

balamw
Jun 29, 2006, 09:02 AM
No. It is being incorporated into MySQL (http://idoel.smilejogja.com/).
You mean SQL Server. Parts will also make it into Visual Studio.

http://blogs.msdn.com/winfs/

The big news here is that WinFS is dead as a part of the OS. Being that it has been promised in one form or another since before Win NT4 it's a big change for MS.

B

gloss
Jun 29, 2006, 09:53 AM
Well you gots sum gud ed-u-cation there son.

Number one is the shocker. Of all the American TV, it always seems to be the most lame-brained stuff that finds its way to other countries. It makes me a little queasy to think about it.

Except that the Andy Griffith Show is one of the greatest sitcoms of all time. Watch your tongue.

dornoforpyros
Jun 29, 2006, 09:54 AM
Vista is like Santa Claus or the easter bunny at this point.

It's a story made up by Microsoft & tech writers to make little children happy, but eventually they have to know the truth that Vista isn't real :p

IJ Reilly
Jun 29, 2006, 10:11 AM
The big news here is that WinFS is dead as a part of the OS. Being that it has been promised in one form or another since before Win NT4 it's a big change for MS.

No big change. It's vaporware -- standard operating procedure for Microsoft.

dmw007
Jun 29, 2006, 09:06 PM
Vista is like Santa Claus or the easter bunny at this point.

It's a story made up by Microsoft & tech writers to make little children happy, but eventually they have to know the truth that Vista isn't real :p


That was without doubt the best Vista analogy I have ever heard! Thanks for the laugh dornoforpyros. :D :)