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MacRumors
Jun 28, 2006, 09:21 PM
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Blogger user "Reality Resized (http://realres.blogspot.com/)" has posted (http://realres.blogspot.com/2006/06/just-what-you-want-to-see.html) what he/she claims is a video of Mac OS 10.5 "Leopard" in action. The video is relatively short, albeit longer than fake Video iPod mockup movies (http://guides.macrumors.com/Gallery_of_Video_iPod_Mockups) that have surfaced over the past year. Notable depictions in the video are a tabbed, solid-metal Finder interface, as well as what appears to be slightly more system menu selection effects.

The demonstration was run on an iMac G5 1.6 GHz with 1.25 GB of RAM. While the movie is certainly more promising than last week's fake screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/06/20060623081820.shtml), there is no hard evidence that the movie is legit and MacRumors cannot independently verify its authenticity at this time.

Credit to Leopardtracker.com (http://www.leopardtracker.com/) for discovering the video.

Digg this story (http://digg.com/apple/Leopard_In_Action_A_Movie)

katie ta achoo
Jun 28, 2006, 09:25 PM
Looks nice... the tabbed browsing, I like!!

Also, 1.25 gigs of ram.. *drool*

kretzy
Jun 28, 2006, 09:27 PM
Looks good and real! I think the Finder looks the same as iTunes, GUI wise.

iGary
Jun 28, 2006, 09:27 PM
Well, I think we can safely say that a lot of the leaks we're seeing have some similarities that will see the light of day.

idea_hamster
Jun 28, 2006, 09:28 PM
Holy Blair Witch, Batman -- that video stinks! :eek:

Of course, it can't be just Photoshop. It could, however be a tough full-screen video project....

2nyRiggz
Jun 28, 2006, 09:29 PM
I'm interested now.....looks nice.



Bless

DeathChill
Jun 28, 2006, 09:32 PM
The tabbed browsing and solid colour interface is nice, but nothing too great to show off in this video.

Super Dave
Jun 28, 2006, 09:32 PM
Holy Blair Witch, Batman -- that video stinks! :eek:

Of course, it can't be just Photoshop. It could, however be a tough full-screen video project....

I think it is a fake video. Why on earth would they show NOTHING but the tabbed browsing. Because it takes too much work.

David:cool:

i4k20c
Jun 28, 2006, 09:33 PM
Well, I think we can safely say that a lot of the leaks we're seeing have some similarities that will see the light of day.

:) I been noticing that too, all these rumored pics and such that have been showing up seem to have alot of similiarties to them.. can't wait for the expo! :D

Stella
Jun 28, 2006, 09:34 PM
It looks fairly good, but can be easily mocked up using XCode.

trainguy77
Jun 28, 2006, 09:34 PM
It could be real. However, if it is real it should be off the net within a day. As soon as apple's lawyers find it....

jimsowden
Jun 28, 2006, 09:35 PM
Direct Link:
http://www.box.net/public/q6nmdg6ndg

iGary
Jun 28, 2006, 09:37 PM
It looks fairly good, but can be easily mocked up using XCode.

Well it would have to be a big conspiracy...

1. All the "fakes" have consistent interface (all like iTunes).

2. All the "fakes" have tabbed browsing in the Finder.

You could be right, but I think these will be new features.

Stella
Jun 28, 2006, 09:39 PM
Well it would have to be a big conspiracy...

1. All the "fakes" have consistent interface (all like iTunes).

2. All the "fakes" have tabbed browsing in the Finder.

You could be right, but I think these will be new features.

Its been strongly rumoured that finder will have tabs... hence all the fakes show them.

The consistent interface has also been recently rumoured.

So, really, it doesn't take a genius to mock something up , using the rumours as guidelines.

I am right about "its easy to mock up a GUI in XCode" :-D

boncellis
Jun 28, 2006, 09:40 PM
I don't know why I expected more from an Apple fan's version of grainy surveillance video...

Enough people in the world share common sense notions like a unified metal GUI interface to make this real or fake, so I don't think it really matters if the video is legit or not--Apple will get it right and finally implement a consistent theme.

I'd rather see a video of the fake Address Book/iCal thing from earlier this week.

EricNau
Jun 28, 2006, 09:40 PM
Real or not, that video really isn't all that interesting IMO.

I hope tabbed finder isn't the most exciting new feature in Leopard. I really can't see myself utilizing this feature.

There should be another option on the poll: "Don't Care"

xfiftyfour
Jun 28, 2006, 09:41 PM
eh, i don't know about real or fake, but I'm with DeathChill on this one.. the tabbed browsing is cool, but really nothing *amazing* was shown.

pianodude123
Jun 28, 2006, 09:41 PM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!

Also, if it was real...wouldnt she show us more of the OS such as...well...idk...other stuff?

yankeefan24
Jun 28, 2006, 09:46 PM
I am saying fake. In the beginning, look at the dock. From what you can see, no new applications.

mi5moav
Jun 28, 2006, 09:48 PM
filerun, macintosh explorer or pathfinder all allow for tabs. I realy doubt this is real show us ichat or even better yet the calculator!!

fawlty
Jun 28, 2006, 09:49 PM
Yet another refurbishment of the non-spatial Finder, sigh.

decksnap
Jun 28, 2006, 09:50 PM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!

Also, if it was real...wouldnt she show us more of the OS such as...well...idk...other stuff?

Huh? Mine appears immediately. Yours doesn't? :confused:

SpAtZ
Jun 28, 2006, 09:51 PM
I am saying fake. In the beginning, look at the dock. From what you can see, no new applications.

Also the "apple" color is the same.

MacRumoron
Jun 28, 2006, 09:55 PM
the finder looks MUCH better.. and the tabs will be very useful (if this is real) :eek:

johnbro23
Jun 28, 2006, 10:00 PM
Huh? Mine appears immediately. Yours doesn't? :confused:
Same - less ram (1gb) + faster processor (2.16ghz) than video = instant finder window.

swingerofbirch
Jun 28, 2006, 10:01 PM
I'd say fake, why would it say pre-release instead of the build number? And the second reason I hope it's fake is that it seems inelegant to have to title the sidebar with the title "sidebar." Even "source" would be better.

longofest
Jun 28, 2006, 10:02 PM
In case the link goes down, a mirror is now available:

http://www.longofest.net/leopard.mov

Chundles
Jun 28, 2006, 10:05 PM
Fake, real, who cares. That video is as boring as bat *****, if I were leaking a video I'd be showing all the coolest stuff, not just a UI fix up and tabbed Finder. Seriously, big freaking whoop about a tabbed Finder.

Show us the good stuff.

MacAddict1978
Jun 28, 2006, 10:05 PM
I say fake.... on the "about" screen, it simply says 10.5 prerelease.
Uh, never beta tested Apple Software before, but um, never saw beta software that didn't have some kind of version or revision number for tracking purposes.

Especially since different beta versions are usually seeded so not everyone is really testing all the same exact things.

Not to mention.... one of the only really credible things known to be changing in 10.5 is a refresh to the dock. That dock sure looked the same.

WildCowboy
Jun 28, 2006, 10:05 PM
I'd say fake, why would it say pre-release instead of the build number?

That's what they did with Tiger...you get the build number when you click on the text.

Jiddick ExRex
Jun 28, 2006, 10:09 PM
Suxxorxs. If this was a real video, why not show some real sugar instead of some x-coded gui crap with tabbed browsing? C'mon, this is utter crap. Even if it was real, who cares? Leopard has to come up with something better than this. Looks like a cheap porn video, although lacking all the interesting parts.

celebi23
Jun 28, 2006, 10:09 PM
I say fake.... on the "about" screen, it simply says 10.5 prerelease.
Uh, never beta tested Apple Software before, but um, never saw beta software that didn't have some kind of version or revision number for tracking purposes.

Especially since different beta versions are usually seeded so not everyone is really testing all the same exact things.

Not to mention.... one of the only really credible things known to be changing in 10.5 is a refresh to the dock. That dock sure looked the same.


A quick google search found this: http://blog.dermk4vw.com/files/page0-1002-full.jpg

from this page: http://blog.dermk4vw.com/archives/200501.html

thejadedmonkey
Jun 28, 2006, 10:14 PM
The video's real alright, but is it really leapord. I say not.. I'm betting it's that finder app that's not actually finder, skinned a bit, and then a video was taken. At least the dude remembered X-Code on there..

corywoolf
Jun 28, 2006, 10:17 PM
:confused:

richdun
Jun 28, 2006, 10:17 PM
When does all Intel happen? Isn't PPC support supposed to be dropped from 10.5 or 10.6?

Stella
Jun 28, 2006, 10:22 PM
When does all Intel happen? Isn't PPC support supposed to be dropped from 10.5 or 10.6?

There is no chance in hell Apple are going to drop PPC for 10.5.

10.6? Well, G3s are still supported..... to this day.

Depends on the time gap - my ( unimportant ) guess is yes.

No one outside of Apple knows ( who can tell us ).

treblah
Jun 28, 2006, 10:23 PM
When does all Intel happen? Isn't PPC support supposed to be dropped from 10.5 or 10.6?

Never? Why would they go to all Intel when they have UB of everything? Those Quads are not going to be totally worthless for at least 4 or 5 years. :)


I think it's real. Probably a very early version. Maybe from last year…

Chundles
Jun 28, 2006, 10:23 PM
When does all Intel happen? Isn't PPC support supposed to be dropped from 10.5 or 10.6?

Not for ages. A huge percentage of Macs in the wild are PPC, I'm talking 90something percent. PPC support won't be disappearing for a long time yet. I wouldn't be surprised if G3 support was dropped with 10.5 as it was for iLife '06 but when you consider that the most powerful Mac on the market is a PPC still, it wouldn't make sense to drop PPC support just yet.

10.7 may go G5 only and 10.8 may be Intel only but 10.5 and 10.6 will definitely be Universal. That is if Apple decide to drop PPC - they may not, who knows.

Superdrive
Jun 28, 2006, 10:26 PM
I don't buy it. The sidebar is titled "Sidebar". There's gonna have to be a lot more to see in August than what these fakes depict. Also, why would anyone have Leopard running in such a situation. It just doesn't add up.

Edit: I still fail to see why everyone gets so hot over a tabbed Finder. Exposé does more for window management than tabs could. Besides shouldn't we be working towards a non-hierarchical system at some point where tabs won't be necessary?

refulgentis
Jun 28, 2006, 10:28 PM
As more of a general comment, I'll be really disappointed if this is what 10.5 ends up looking like. It seems like more of a step-back in the eye candy department, especially when compared to Vista. I know that its still more functional and useful than Vista, but I was really hoping for built-in virtualization and transparency, and based on Looprumors, Apple Insider, and this video, it looks like none of this will happen. All of these features would be necessary for Mac to really become a legitimate alternative to Windows in the eye of the public.

I recently switched, with a 17" MBP, and I couldn't be happier. Almost everyone I talk to who asks me about buying a new PC, I recommend a Mac to, and if 10.5 supported virtualization and had transparency, Vista and the Windows platform would become basically irrelavent and I think you would see people switching in droves.

Hopefully this is fake, or at least just intended to show off tabs in finder. If one of the top 3 advancements in 10.5 come September is still just tabs in the finder window, I'm not sure OS X can still keep claiming to be far in advance of Vista once it comes out.

GFLPraxis
Jun 28, 2006, 10:28 PM
Hmmm...would be tough to fake, but the lack of a build number has me wondering.

D3LM3L
Jun 28, 2006, 10:31 PM
The metal gradient of the Finder window is much nicer than the one in UNO.

mark!
Jun 28, 2006, 10:34 PM
UGH who uses their iMac in an elevator?

On a serious note, WHY the hell is Apple keeping these ugly pin-stripe folders. They better rework this :mad: If the only thing that changes is the stuff being ''unified'' I'm not upgrading :mad:

Pistol Pete
Jun 28, 2006, 10:44 PM
yay thats the same specs as my imac!

haha

dansgil
Jun 28, 2006, 10:44 PM
UGH who uses their iMac in an elevator?

On a serious note, WHY the hell is Apple keeping these ugly pin-stripe folders. They better rework this :mad: If the only thing that changes is the stuff being ''unified'' I'm not upgrading :mad:

I don't like the look of the folders either. That's why I use CandyBar (http://www.panic.com/candybar/).

DMataic
Jun 28, 2006, 10:46 PM
I think one of the main dead giveaways that this is fake, is that the fact that the icon for ICal is the same date as the current one.

Now please correct me if i am wrong, but these have changed each new release, right?

p0intblank
Jun 28, 2006, 10:46 PM
It looks real, but most likely is not. Tabbed browsing does look very nice, though! :)

Chundles
Jun 28, 2006, 10:49 PM
I think one of the main dead giveaways that this is fake, is that the fact that the icon for ICal is the same date as the current one.

Now please correct me if i am wrong, but these have changed each new release, right?

Don't think so, iCal came out on July 17th and the icon has shown that date ever since. In 10.3 when you opened it the date on the icon would change to the current date and hold it even after you quit the programme. In 10.4 when you open iCal it shows the current date but goes back to Jul 17 when you quit.

VanNess
Jun 28, 2006, 10:50 PM
I'm going along with "who cares?" vote. Real or not, that clip is a snoozefest.

And somehow I can't picture Jobs getting up on stage in August and saying "You know, after Spotlight we knew what we had to do - tabs!" I mean, if tabs were that big of a deal, you don't need to wait for Leopard, you can get 'em now with the rather amazing, feature-rich Finder alternative Pathfinder (http://www.cocoatech.com/pf4/), which I have a feeling Apple will be emulating at least to some extent in Leopard.

Just for the record, I don't use Pathfinder - at least not yet. But I get more and more tempted as they continue to refine it.

CoMpX
Jun 28, 2006, 10:58 PM
:confused:

Isn't that just the transition as the tab bar comes down? He/she clicks new tap and it animates as the new tab comes down. No?

Superdrive
Jun 28, 2006, 11:00 PM
As more of a general comment, I'll be really disappointed if this is what 10.5 ends up looking like. It seems like more of a step-back in the eye candy department, especially when compared to Vista. <snip>

Ah, Mac users got their fill of transparency shortly after XP came out. As each revision of OS X has come around, the transparency and pinstripes have faded away as small things like zooming windows, exposť, and dashboard effects have been created.

Kingsly
Jun 28, 2006, 11:00 PM
Mhhhmmm the solid metal look os soo sexy.

I hope when Steve demos a real video, it includes that.

dongmin
Jun 28, 2006, 11:05 PM
I know that its still more functional and useful than Vista, but I was really hoping for built-in virtualization and transparency, and based on Looprumors, Apple Insider, and this video, it looks like none of this will happen. All of these features would be necessary for Mac to really become a legitimate alternative to Windows in the eye of the public.

1. Virtualization is rumored to be included in Leopard.

2. What's so great about 'transparency'? I don't see anything partifularly useful about it. Apple has actually toned down the transparency in each iteration of OS X; the original OS X had a lot more.

ErikGrim
Jun 28, 2006, 11:08 PM
Looks nice... the tabbed browsing, I like!!

Also, 1.25 gigs of ram.. *drool*:confused: 1.25 is considered a small amount of RAM these days. I have 2 gig myself in my iMac.

ErikGrim
Jun 28, 2006, 11:10 PM
Mhhhmmm the solid metal look os soo sexy.

I hope when Steve demos a real video, it includes that.You can get that here today. Now (http://gui.interacto.net).

johnbro23
Jun 28, 2006, 11:12 PM
Something to note:

The finder and about window "fade" in.

Use the scrub in quicktime to see it in slow motion. That feature is definitely new. In my mind, this actually adds some credibility.

mark!
Jun 28, 2006, 11:12 PM
You can get that here today. Now (http://gui.interacto.net).

UNO is annoying...it makes rounded edges square, and the icons smaller.

i hate it. rawr.

refulgentis
Jun 28, 2006, 11:15 PM
1. Virtualization is rumored to be included in Leopard.

2. What's so great about 'transparency'? I don't see anything partifularly useful about it. Apple has actually toned down the transparency in each iteration of OS X; the original OS X had a lot more.
Its not a *huge* deal to me, but the press over the next year for Vista will include transparency as a major feature. Just offering it would be a good move for Apple, any perceived "backwardness" in OS X will keep it backwards in the mind of the general public.

Also, I know virtualization is widely rumored, but it's mostly from disreputable sources who aren't very affirmative about it (i.e. Cringely). For Looprumors, who seemed to be spot on according to Appleinsider, and Appleinsider itself, to not mention virtualization at all scares me.

curmi
Jun 28, 2006, 11:15 PM
Wow! All this time, and that's the best Apple could do with the Finder?

We're gonna need something more compelling than that to compete against Vista. Or even just to get Mac users impressed enough to upgrade.

I know some people love tabs. They love the in Safari. They love them in iChat. I personally love them in Safari (though think Omni did it better in Omniweb), and dislike them in iChat. Don't particularly see a need for them in the Finder - but that's just me.

Let's hope that is a fake. Or at least the most minor of updates in 10.5 and there are heaps of very cool features still to be shown.

theheadguy
Jun 28, 2006, 11:20 PM
I think it is a fake video. Why on earth would they show NOTHING but the tabbed browsing. Because it takes too much work.

David:cool:

Bingo. :D

Superdrive
Jun 28, 2006, 11:21 PM
Something to note:

The finder and about window "fade" in.

Use the scrub in quicktime to see it in slow motion. That feature is definitely new. In my mind, this actually adds some credibility.
The menu also fades in too. One thing I noticed with the menu is the lack of the triple blink upon selection of "About this Mac." The blue (selection) fades out as the new window pops up. I still think we're dealing with a fake.

LimeiBook86
Jun 28, 2006, 11:22 PM
Looks nice... the tabbed browsing, I like!!

Also, 1.25 gigs of ram.. *drool*
Took the words out of my mouth ;) Tabbed browsing definitely looks awesome! :D

sisyphus
Jun 28, 2006, 11:24 PM
Real or not this really isn't exciting. Is it a nice feature, probably.

However it is about as informative as knowing that one of the new Mac Pros is going to come with a 250GB HD.

If real, do you know what this actually proves? That, yes, somebody out there actually has a beta version of 10.5... OMG, tHaT RuLz, be still my beating heart...:rolleyes:

Put my vote in the don't care column.

JackSYi
Jun 28, 2006, 11:26 PM
It's Real.

ErikGrim
Jun 28, 2006, 11:27 PM
UNO is annoying...it makes rounded edges square, and the icons smaller.

i hate it. rawr.You must be kidding. It does not make rounded edges square for one. And sure it reduces the size of the apple and spotlight by 1px (which I'm not happy about myself either), but the end result is not having to look at fu-king brushed metal AND have a nice unified UI. That's priceless!

mark!
Jun 28, 2006, 11:29 PM
You must be kidding. It does not make rounded edges square for one. And sure it reduces the size of the apple and spotlight by 1px (which I'm not happy about myself either), but the end result is not having to look at fu-king brushed metal AND have a nice unified UI. That's priceless!

It does on Intel...


FOR ONE.

CubaTBird
Jun 28, 2006, 11:30 PM
i think that video is for real home dogs :o

jlange
Jun 28, 2006, 11:36 PM
The menu also fades in too. One thing I noticed with the menu is the lack of the triple blink upon selection of "About this Mac." The blue (selection) fades out as the new window pops up. I still think we're dealing with a fake.

Just for the record -- the About this Mac does triple blink. I put my vote down as real.

But, in a semi-unrelated topic, I don't think Apple will combine iCal and Address Book. Although, they might call it "iPeople" They can add the VoIP I've been hearing of...and they might as well throw iChat in there. Now look, four apps bundled into one tiny little bite-sized piece!





just a fifteen-year-old's point of view, take it as you like.

truz
Jun 28, 2006, 11:39 PM
The new features look cool and will come handy. I'm also interested in a new interface as I'm not a long time mac user but I'm already sick of the burshed metal.

jlange
Jun 28, 2006, 11:43 PM
With all of these possible fakes coming out, will we not believe when Steve actually shows us 10.5? Sort of a mac-who-cried-wolf thing?

inkswamp
Jun 28, 2006, 11:46 PM
Well it would have to be a big conspiracy...

1. All the "fakes" have consistent interface (all like iTunes).

2. All the "fakes" have tabbed browsing in the Finder.

You could be right, but I think these will be new features.

Maybe all the fakes are being done by people in-the-know who want to get the word out without showing the real thing. It would explain the consistency in some of these things.

appleguru1
Jun 28, 2006, 11:47 PM
No, it's real.. Just installed the pre-release today.. fun to play with :)

http://www.appleguru.org/panther.png

Peace
Jun 28, 2006, 11:49 PM
Maybe all the fakes are being done by people in-the-know who want to get the word out without showing the real thing. It would explain the consistency in some of these things.


These fakes are being done by the same group of friends or online buddies.
10.5 does not say "Pre-Release"

SiliconAddict
Jun 28, 2006, 11:53 PM
Fake....

reason #1 - crappy video. How hard would it be to set the damn thing on a stack of books and swivel it? At this point I call fake on anything that is grainy, hard to read, out of focus, or generally could be mistaken for bigfoot. Its 2006 for god sake. My craptastic camera phone that came free with signing up with sprint can do a better job then this.

Reason #2 - The About this Mac screen Before and after pictures....
Itís hard to depict in a simple screen shot but it jumps from the Mac menu to the about this Mac screen in a way that screams OMG fake.

nagromme
Jun 28, 2006, 11:54 PM
Another Fake vote from me. A good fake, might be real, but I have to take a stand! :p

The fade-in on the menu is a terrible idea. Instant response is better. So why the fade? Because a faker was going nuts adding little fades to everything :)

The one thing this is evidence of: Director runs OK in Rosetta ;)

inkswamp
Jun 29, 2006, 12:00 AM
These fakes are being done by the same group of friends or online buddies.

If that's true, that very, very sad. I can't imagine people wasting their time in such a frivolous way... and for what? To fool a few people so you can sit around and high-five each other? I don't get it. What does someone get out of that? :confused:

ezekielrage_99
Jun 29, 2006, 12:00 AM
Fake.....


Seriously even Big Foot and UFOs have more credible evidence than this.......

I work as an Imagery Analyst and if someone handed me this footage first I would put it in the bin and second I would be ripping them to pieces for wasting my time.

Why do people put this crap on the internet:confused:

yojitani
Jun 29, 2006, 12:04 AM
No, it's real.. Just installed the pre-release today.. fun to play with :)

http://www.appleguru.org/panther.png


ha ha! on a pentium 4. riiiight;)

yt

bretm
Jun 29, 2006, 12:06 AM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!

Also, if it was real...wouldnt she show us more of the OS such as...well...idk...other stuff?

Errrr my G4 dual 1gig is as fast or faster.

inkswamp
Jun 29, 2006, 12:06 AM
I must be getting good at spotting fakes. I'll throw my two cents in on the "fake" vote.

Something's hokey about this. Watch the cursor movement. It's very smooth and very straight as it goes from point-to-point, as if it's being manipulated by something other than a person. When I move my cursor, it's jerky and fast and slow and all over the place. This cursor is almost robotically smooth in ways that screams fake to me. Whoever suggested that Director might have been used here (or some other similar software) is probably right.

VicMacs
Jun 29, 2006, 12:08 AM
theres gotta be someone with real evidence of leopard...

ezekielrage_99
Jun 29, 2006, 12:12 AM
theres gotta be someone with real evidence of leopard...

His name is Steve Jobs

Stridder44
Jun 29, 2006, 12:41 AM
Real or not, that video really isn't all that interesting IMO.

I hope tabbed finder isn't the most exciting new feature in Leopard. I really can't see myself utilizing this feature.

There should be another option on the poll: "Don't Care"


Agreed. If this really is things to come then Im not that impressed.

Stridder44
Jun 29, 2006, 12:44 AM
Fake.....


Seriously even Big Foot and UFOs have more credible evidence than this.......

I work as an Imagery Analyst and if someone handed me this footage first I would put it in the bin and second I would be ripping them to pieces for wasting my time.

Why do people put this crap on the internet:confused:


Not trying to argue but do you have any evidence? What makes this video garbage? Again Im sure you actually are an imagery analyst so Im just asking if you could tell us what's wrong with it, and I hope you're right too...Im not that impressed with this video.

Abstract
Jun 29, 2006, 12:48 AM
I think it is a fake video. Why on earth would they show NOTHING but the tabbed browsing. Because it takes too much work.

David:cool:

That's what I thought as well.

Lets face it.......many people could probably GUESS(!) that tabbed browsing and more consistent GUI would be in the next revision. If this video is indeed accurate, it's probably just coincidence.

Show me something hard to fake.

Bradley W
Jun 29, 2006, 01:04 AM
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ezekielrage_99
Jun 29, 2006, 01:19 AM
Not trying to argue but do you have any evidence? What makes this video garbage? Again Im sure you actually are an imagery analyst so Im just asking if you could tell us what's wrong with it, and I hope you're right too...Im not that impressed with this video.

I'm just saying video footage of the low rez kind of shake kind doesn't make credible evidence. If I had to make an informed decision if it was real or fake my professional training would steer me towards fake for these reasons:
1) low rez and less than 45 seconds of footage.
2) it does not elaborate on any new feature, just on previous fakes (the tabs thing).
3) the items on the dock look identical to the previous 10.4
4) the mac looks like it's running too smooth for actual computer operation of a new unreleased OS. I'm thinking it's a hi-rez retouched video playing on the mac, you can get these video retouch results very easy in programs like Combustion, Shake, Motion, etc.....
5) the cursor keeps disappearing in some shots, no continuity of the mouse movement for the operations of the user. The cursor appears from no where to select the Macintosh HDD icon, there should be at least some blur or sight of it coming into frame, it just appears. (like bigfoot or a UFO)
6) And the over use of leopard labled on as much as possible, ok I get they are trying to sell the Mac OS 10.5 thing, that also was a little suss.

Well that's my USD$0.02

Windowlicker
Jun 29, 2006, 01:21 AM
Looks good and real! I think the Finder looks the same as iTunes, GUI wise.

I don't care if it's real or not. The tabs in Finder really seem like a good application. Think about being able to drag stuff upon the tabs and the tab would come on top. Much easier than for example starting to drag, then use exposť to see the folder you wanna get into etc etc..

Only about one month to go to see what's really in the works :)

Xephian
Jun 29, 2006, 01:48 AM
Looks more like a fake.

redAPPLE
Jun 29, 2006, 01:49 AM
i believe the tabbed finder would be a no-brainer feature.

Evangelion
Jun 29, 2006, 01:51 AM
I hope tabbed finder isn't the most exciting new feature in Leopard.

I think that the most exciting new feature in Leopard is going to be virtualization. Unless Apple surprises me with something even better

I really can't see myself utilizing this feature.

Konqueror (http://konqueror.org/) is a tabbed filemanager (and more), and I love that feature :). Moving files between two different places is very easy, and you could do it in just one window.

Evangelion
Jun 29, 2006, 01:55 AM
I don't like the look of the folders either. That's why I use CandyBar (http://www.panic.com/candybar/).

Is it really so that you need to pay money for the privilege of changing the appearance of the folders? It just boggles the mind!

JackSYi
Jun 29, 2006, 01:59 AM
If it is fake. Its a great one.

Marky Sharky
Jun 29, 2006, 02:10 AM
Fake or not? Does it really matter?

I just hope that Apple come up with something impressive for Leopard. A tabbed finder isn't going to get me excited enough to rush out and buy an upgrade when it goes on sale. Even if this is genuine, I hardly think that this one, minor, improvement would warrant the whole team of Apple executives that have been announced. Surely this points to many more changes?

We will just have to wait for WWDC.

sam10685
Jun 29, 2006, 02:19 AM
fake. apple doesn't reveal stuff like this prior to an expo.

fenixx
Jun 29, 2006, 04:04 AM
nm, mirror now posted.

Rule
Jun 29, 2006, 05:18 AM
Konqueror (http://konqueror.org/) is a tabbed filemanager (and more), and I love that feature :). Moving files between two different places is very easy, and you could do it in just one window.

Am I the only one who moves files in one window just by dragging them to the HDD icon and further down the directory structure? I don't see the advantage of tabbed finder. It's not like Apple to follow what everybody else does.

Oh and by the way: Fake!

Rule
Jun 29, 2006, 05:19 AM
Is there something wrong with the voting system? 50/50 voting seems fake to me :D

JRomero
Jun 29, 2006, 05:26 AM
I have been scowering Flickr, and I came across this... posted today!

http://flickr.com/photos/99633095@N00/177579968/

mark88
Jun 29, 2006, 05:29 AM
Maybe it's just me but if that is the new Finder, visually it looks bland. This new dark plastic style doesn't suite everything IMO.

Rule
Jun 29, 2006, 05:38 AM
I have been scowering Flickr, and I came across this... posted today!

http://flickr.com/photos/99633095@N00/177579968/

If that's true, I'm switching back to windows. The doc is one of the advantages OS X has over Windows.

corywoolf
Jun 29, 2006, 06:07 AM
Isn't that just the transition as the tab bar comes down? He/she clicks new tap and it animates as the new tab comes down. No?

Yes, but it isn't even an even transition. Doesn't look right to me.

Evangelion
Jun 29, 2006, 06:18 AM
Am I the only one who moves files in one window just by dragging them to the HDD icon and further down the directory structure?

Well, you could do that. But it could be quite tedious. First you go to the folder where you want to copy from. The you "drill down" to the folder where you want to to copy to. Then yo go back to some other folder where yuo want to copy from, and then drill back to the destination. Tabs would make that whole lot easier. Just open the source, and drag the files to the tab. Alternatively, you could use two windows and drag between them.

I don't see the advantage of tabbed finder. It's not like Apple to follow what everybody else does.

Is this a case of not doing something for the sole reason that someone else did it first? By that logic OS X would not have fast user switching or tabbed web-broswer.

If someone comes up with a useful feature that genuinely helps users, what's the harm in implementing it? Yes, there might be people who do not use the feature, but there would be others that do. Not everyone uses the video-chatting in OS X for example, but it made sense to implement that feature.

Evangelion
Jun 29, 2006, 06:21 AM
If that's true, I'm switching back to windows. The doc is one of the advantages OS X has over Windows.

Well, Dock isn't THAT great in the end. But anyway, the menu in that screenshot looks like Butler (http://www.petermaurer.de/nasi.php?thema=butler&id=butlerhelpers&sprache=english), so I would vote "fake" on that one.

generik
Jun 29, 2006, 06:36 AM
As more of a general comment, I'll be really disappointed if this is what 10.5 ends up looking like. It seems like more of a step-back in the eye candy department, especially when compared to Vista. I know that its still more functional and useful than Vista, but I was really hoping for built-in virtualization and transparency, and based on Looprumors, Apple Insider, and this video, it looks like none of this will happen. All of these features would be necessary for Mac to really become a legitimate alternative to Windows in the eye of the public.

I recently switched, with a 17" MBP, and I couldn't be happier. Almost everyone I talk to who asks me about buying a new PC, I recommend a Mac to, and if 10.5 supported virtualization and had transparency, Vista and the Windows platform would become basically irrelavent and I think you would see people switching in droves.

Hopefully this is fake, or at least just intended to show off tabs in finder. If one of the top 3 advancements in 10.5 come September is still just tabs in the finder window, I'm not sure OS X can still keep claiming to be far in advance of Vista once it comes out.

What's the deal with transparency?

No, seriously. It is confusing as hell if you take a look at some of the beta screenshots, it is virtually impossible to tell which is the active window when your screen is stacked full of them.

lavem
Jun 29, 2006, 07:12 AM
Here is another link (http://www.csjunky.com/downloads/leopard.mov) to the movie.

iGary
Jun 29, 2006, 07:14 AM
I can't believe so many people think this is fake. :confused:

p0intblank
Jun 29, 2006, 07:25 AM
If that's true, I'm switching back to windows. The doc is one of the advantages OS X has over Windows.

Do you honestly think Apple would drop the Dock just like that? Especially in favor for a basic menu? No, it's not happening. That's like going to the Windows Start Menu.

CellarDoor
Jun 29, 2006, 07:29 AM
...I know some people love tabs. They love the in Safari. They love them in iChat. I personally love them in Safari (though think Omni did it better in Omniweb), and dislike them in iChat. Don't particularly see a need for them in the Finder - but that's just me....

Adium has a fantastic implementation of tabs. I love the drag out and drag in feature. I would love to see that in safari, but I think it would require too much processor guts to render web pages that you are dragging out and adding to windows. If that isn't a issue than I say full steam ahead. tabs are cool. Especially when it comes to chatting. I hate having 20 chat windows open at once. With adium I only have one window. I think I'll continue to use adium, even if ichat gets tabs. It's just too awesome and customizable not to. When I get my fancy merom macbook pro I'll feel compelled to make use of vid conferencing, so I'll be using ichat for that. It might suck me back in.

amacgenius
Jun 29, 2006, 07:42 AM
Huh? Mine appears immediately. Yours doesn't? :confused:

Same, but I'm on a MacBook, so who knows.

Peace
Jun 29, 2006, 07:55 AM
I can't believe so many people think this is fake. :confused:


I can't believe so many people think this is real.:confused:


Got to keep it even!!

svenas1
Jun 29, 2006, 08:16 AM
I can't believe so many people think this is fake. :confused:

exactly.. I'm voting true as well.

Low video quality ? This movie was not taken by the developer who owns the Mac, rather by his buddy / son / whoever who knows the guy and, just as the other bloke is out, whips out his mobile phone and does a quick screenie.

Just my guess.

We'll know soon...

stunna
Jun 29, 2006, 08:17 AM
This is what we call a teaser :)

mcnaugha
Jun 29, 2006, 08:23 AM
I have to raise the old "tabs break Apple's Human Interface Guidelines" debate. Unless Apple intends to update and publish a new edition of these or like Safari, disable them in Preferences by default. Tabs are a nice idea, but somehow it feels cheap.

A lot of people are discounting this because it looks too samey to Tiger. I have been a pre-release tester for Apple since the mid-90s right up to today. It has to be said that literally every early pre-release of Mac OS and Mac OS X looked pretty much the same as its predecessor because the engineers/designers hold back (or simply haven't finalised) the appearance. It can take several months into the development cycle (or even in the last few builds) before you see the final look and feel stuff. Quite often you see things in pre-releases that are pulled before the final release too. One good old fashioned example is the Appearance Themes which were intended to ship in Mac OS 8.5 but were pulled at the last minute. So the fact that this shoddy video shows a very Tiger-like feel, isn't evidence that it is a fake.

As a pre-release testing cycle has not begun in any shape or form, and won't until after Steve Jobs' keynote in August, any leaks could only come from the actual engineering team working on Leopard. It's standard practice at this stage for no copies to leave the hands/department because as we all can imagine; Steve would create hellfire. Would engineering risk leaking this information? I'm not convinced. But what I will say, is that I like to theorise on marketing conspiracies across any industry. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that this could be a carefully staged leak to begin the hype for Leopard and WWDC. Oops, someone stole my sex tape... and by the way I have a new movie and album out next week.

Mammoth
Jun 29, 2006, 08:28 AM
Oh yeah, I evened out the score. Why should it be fake? Perhaps it's an older build?

MacTT
Jun 29, 2006, 08:35 AM
That iTunes interface looks really bad.

Now I don't want to make the switch. :rolleyes:

50548
Jun 29, 2006, 08:42 AM
The video is obviously REAL, since it's almost impossible for someone to fake a video of tabbed browsing on the Finder...

However, if a tabbed Finder is all we're gonna see, I surely won't pay 120 bucks for it...

morespce54
Jun 29, 2006, 08:52 AM
Also the "apple" color is the same.
well... the "apple" color has been the same for a while now (10.2-10.4)...
Aa far as I remember..

mandis
Jun 29, 2006, 08:54 AM
The video is obviously REAL, since it's almost impossible for someone to fake a video of tabbed browsing on the Finder...

However, if a tabbed Finder is all we're gonna see, I surely won't pay 120 bucks for it...

The video looks real to me. It doesn't show anything dramatic anyway so no reason why somebody should fake it.

The FINDER needs a tree diagram on the side. Remember windows explorer? That was the most practical way to manage my files back in the day when i was using windows 2000.

There is nothing wrong with copying from Microsoft Mr Jobs. WTH they do it all the time... :p

Evangelion
Jun 29, 2006, 08:54 AM
However, if a tabbed Finder is all we're gonna see, I surely won't pay 120 bucks for it...

What makes you think that it's the only new feature?

balofagus
Jun 29, 2006, 08:55 AM
Just my input. When he right clicks on 'Macintosh HD' it says copy 'leopard' in the little menu, but when I click on my hard drive (which I renamed to iBook G4) it says iBook G4. I don't know how important this is. I'm gonna have to say fake.

EDIT Boy did I get that wrong, he doesn't right click on Macintosh HD he clicks on the Home icon 'leopard' :|

jackc
Jun 29, 2006, 08:57 AM
I hope it's fake. Shouldn't the Finder be controlled by brain waves or something?

brepublican
Jun 29, 2006, 09:02 AM
If that's true, I'm switching back to windows. The doc is one of the advantages OS X has over Windows.
Seriously. That Apple Menu is way tooo long.

And if you're going to make a fake, at least make it a little bit more interesting! I mean, gosh.
(btw, I voted real by mistake)

longofest
Jun 29, 2006, 09:14 AM
Okay, so I'm a geek and I've been having fun watching the first mirror that we posted (which is my personal website) swell and saturate with the demand placed upon it. For those that are interested, here are some preliminary statistics that I have gathered from having hosted that file pretty much on my own until recently, when the other mirrors were posted.

Total bandwidth for leopard.mov: 13.414 GBytes
Crude Breakdown by Country (other than US):
Deutschland/Germany: 7%, 1.1 GBytes served
UK, Italy, France: 3%, 407-496 MBytes served
User Agents (approximate numbers):
26.5% using Safari
13.7% using Firefox or Mozilla
12.77% using Quicktime (opening URL in quicktime I guess)
2% using Internet Explorer (good job folks)
Other sites apprarently linking:
Kodawarison, macuarium, mac4ever, macnn forums, maku.or.tv, 99mac.se, italiamac.it, tuaw, mactecnews

morespce54
Jun 29, 2006, 09:23 AM
I have been scowering Flickr, and I came across this... posted today!

http://flickr.com/photos/99633095@N00/177579968/

No way... I have like 10 zillions apps on my dock... How could they all fit in?
Do tell me "the spotlight way" (with a little "more" button...)
That would be soooo bad IMO...

mcnaugha
Jun 29, 2006, 09:29 AM
well... the "apple" color has been the same for a while now (10.2-10.4)...
Aa far as I remember..

While the color has been similar, the Apple logos have changed in design from 10.2 to 10.3 and then to 10.4. The 10.4 one seems flatter with additional shading to its predecessor. This brings it into line with the Spotlight icon design.

I guess everyone anticipates Leopard will see another redesigned Apple logo on the Apple Menu.

crees!
Jun 29, 2006, 09:35 AM
As more of a general comment, I'll be really disappointed if this is what 10.5 ends up looking like. It seems like more of a step-back in the eye candy department, especially when compared to Vista. I know that its still more functional and useful than Vista, but I was really hoping for built-in virtualization and transparency, and based on Looprumors, Apple Insider, and this video, it looks like none of this will happen. All of these features would be necessary for Mac to really become a legitimate alternative to Windows in the eye of the public.

I recently switched, with a 17" MBP, and I couldn't be happier. Almost everyone I talk to who asks me about buying a new PC, I recommend a Mac to, and if 10.5 supported virtualization and had transparency, Vista and the Windows platform would become basically irrelavent and I think you would see people switching in droves.

Hopefully this is fake, or at least just intended to show off tabs in finder. If one of the top 3 advancements in 10.5 come September is still just tabs in the finder window, I'm not sure OS X can still keep claiming to be far in advance of Vista once it comes out.

Talk about quick to judge. Slow the train down!
All this video showed was Finder with tabs and the About window. If you think this 1 minute video highlights everything new to 10.5 you're grossly mistaken. I swear, some of you guys act like you belong with a herd of sheep.

mcnaugha
Jun 29, 2006, 09:35 AM
I also have to say how easy it is to change your SystemVersion.plist file - the one which feeds "About This Mac". I don't think there is any point in people even showing this as though it is a secure source of info.

SiliconAddict
Jun 29, 2006, 09:36 AM
If that's true, I'm switching back to windows. The doc is one of the advantages OS X has over Windows.


Not really. But whatever.

encro
Jun 29, 2006, 09:36 AM
I have been scowering Flickr, and I came across this... posted today!

http://flickr.com/photos/99633095@N00/177579968/


I'm guessing this is simply FruitMenu by Unsanity with a little bit of minor photoshop work on extending the apple menu background right out to the edge.

Fake.

Formally Cool
Jun 29, 2006, 09:39 AM
I'm guessing this is simply FruitMenu by Unsanity with a little bit of minor photoshop work on extending the apple menu background right out to the edge.

Fake.

Very fake! It's actually a Butler menu and a bit of Photoshop work.

Mainyehc
Jun 29, 2006, 09:48 AM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!

Also, if it was real...wouldnt she show us more of the OS such as...well...idk...other stuff?

Don't forget the memory. With 1,25 GB of RAM an iMac G5 can be VERY responsive. On my rev. A iMac, with the same amount of memory, the Finder is very snappy (to the point that that Mac HD link you mention opens instantaneously), and this is while folding and having a lot of apps open (Mail, Safari, Mercury, iChat and iTunes). :rolleyes:

zakatov
Jun 29, 2006, 09:48 AM
anyone have a mirror to the original video?

crees!
Jun 29, 2006, 09:56 AM
Wow! All this time, and that's the best Apple could do with the Finder?

We're gonna need something more compelling than that to compete against Vista. Or even just to get Mac users impressed enough to upgrade.
You know, a bunch of you really deserve a strangulation*. Don't worry, your fears will be answered. Tabbed-Finder is ALL we're going to get with 10.5. Nothing more, nothing less. $130 for TABS! I can't wait to empty my wallet for this one.

Disclaimer:
Sarcasm tags not needed as it should be pretty evident of my tone.

*Strangulation not included in sarcasm.

crees!
Jun 29, 2006, 10:03 AM
Do you honestly think Apple would drop the Dock just like that? Especially in favor for a basic menu? No, it's not happening. That's like going to the Windows Start Menu.

Yea, like clicking "Start" so you can "Shutdown". I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :D

p0intblank
Jun 29, 2006, 10:05 AM
It's amazing how so many people are so quick to judge. I can assure you this... Apple is NOT getting rid of the Dock, not until OS 11 at least. Ever hear of the 'Hide Dock' option? :rolleyes:

And what makes some of you think Apple is including tabbed browsing in the Finder as the only new feature? Do you HONESTLY think Apple is that naive? Certainly not. Sometimes people need to think more clearly before posting their replies.

I'm sorry if I seem so negative, but I speak the truth. Relaaaaax!

Edit: creese!, I never looked at it that way. Very amusing! :D

50548
Jun 29, 2006, 10:09 AM
The video looks real to me. It doesn't show anything dramatic anyway so no reason why somebody should fake it.

The FINDER needs a tree diagram on the side. Remember windows explorer? That was the most practical way to manage my files back in the day when i was using windows 2000.

There is nothing wrong with copying from Microsoft Mr Jobs. WTH they do it all the time... :p

No, please...the tree thing in Windows Explorer was one of the most loathed and confusing features ever to appear in an OS...you click on one side and you see something else on the other side...and then you click on a folder and it only shows files on the right...no, thanks...I hope Apple DOESN'T make the same mistakes MS did.

50548
Jun 29, 2006, 10:10 AM
What makes you think that it's the only new feature?

I don't think that...I just hope it's not the "hottest" feature to appear on Leopard... :rolleyes:

Mainyehc
Jun 29, 2006, 10:14 AM
5) the cursor keeps disappearing in some shots, no continuity of the mouse movement for the operations of the user. The cursor appears from no where to select the Macintosh HDD icon, there should be at least some blur or sight of it coming into frame, it just appears. (like bigfoot or a UFO)

Not true... If you look closely, on slow motion (or scrubbing), you can clearly see the cursor going past the Applications sidebar shortcut. That's what usually happens when you move the cursor too quickly on OS X, its movement won't be fully displayed, just a couple of frames of it.

princealfie
Jun 29, 2006, 10:26 AM
way fake than the hummmmm of well, a hummmmmmmmmmmm. Not real, not elegant, not even funny. :eek:

dextertangocci
Jun 29, 2006, 10:29 AM
If it was real, I'm sure they would have made the video longer.

know-it-all5
Jun 29, 2006, 10:31 AM
i found this article while browsing through some leopard news.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/50236.html

anyhow... i think this really shows the importance of leapord. This is an oppurtunity for apple to really show whhat its capable of.


this also leads me too believe that the video is probably a fake, because im betting finder will be a little bit more advanced. there needs to be some pretty awesome features in leopard to catch windows users eyes. mac needs to really take advantage.

JDOG_
Jun 29, 2006, 10:48 AM
Movie looks real to me, and frankly it's about time we start getting some good leaks...the rumor mills seem to have been dry for a few years now. Ship needs some holes!

patseguin
Jun 29, 2006, 10:49 AM
i found this article while browsing through some leopard news.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/50236.html

anyhow... i think this really shows the importance of leapord. This is an oppurtunity for apple to really show whhat its capable of.


this also leads me too believe that the video is probably a fake, because im betting finder will be a little bit more advanced. there needs to be some pretty awesome features in leopard to catch windows users eyes. mac needs to really take advantage.

That article was an excellent read.

I don't see how the video could be fake. Maybe it's an early alpha or something. However, if it was real, you would think Apple Legal would have had it taken down immediately.

MacsomJRR
Jun 29, 2006, 10:55 AM
...that it is such a short video and all that they show is the tabbed browsing feature along with the GUI changes. I loved uses tabs in safari so I'm glad to see that this feature is coming to finder. Its a shame they didn't show more although the lack of other videos and the short unremarkable nature of this one suggests it is probably a fake.

can't wait til august! :D

jbcaro
Jun 29, 2006, 11:03 AM
Yea, like clicking "Start" so you can "Shutdown". I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :D


Like throwing a disk with all of your hard work on it into the trash can to eject the disk. I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :rolleyes:

jbcaro

dagger01
Jun 29, 2006, 11:09 AM
If this is real, couldn't they have picked something more exciting than tabbed Finder browsing to highlight in a video that violates their NDA and could get them sent to court? Sorry, seems too canned and not different enough to be believable as 10.5. I seriously doubt that anyone outside of Apple's internal labs even has access to 10.5. It's still too raw from what I've heard. I say this one is fake; a Director or Flash spoof.

know-it-all5
Jun 29, 2006, 11:11 AM
Like throwing a disk with all of your hard work on it into the trash can to eject the disk. I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :rolleyes:

jbcaro

I dont know, as weird as that is it kinda makes sense. your getting it out of your computer. remember, putting something in the trash dont kill it. it just stops the availability of it being used. same with dragging a disc down there. if its ejected it cant be used,it doesnt destroy the disc though. another step needs to be put in place to destroy the disc, just like a folder in the trash. a disc can be cracked in half, and the trash can be deleted/securely deleted.:p

CavemanUK
Jun 29, 2006, 11:13 AM
Like throwing a disk with all of your hard work on it into the trash can to eject the disk. I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :rolleyes:

jbcaro

Touche (http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac_ads2/touche_480x376.mov) ;)

macaddict06
Jun 29, 2006, 11:22 AM
Touche (http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac_ads2/touche_480x376.mov) ;)
Hahaha, excellent.
Tangental to the story at hand, but:
Why doe the touche ad say that you need to purchase Parallels Software? I understand the need to buy Windows (well, not really, I think an OS that old should be freeware, expecially if it's THAT craptastic), but can't you just use BootCamp?:confused:

Cheers,
Macaddict06

jbcaro
Jun 29, 2006, 11:25 AM
I dont know, as weird as that is it kinda makes sense. your getting it out of your computer. remember, putting something in the trash dont kill it. it just stops the availability of it being used. same with dragging a disc down there. if its ejected it cant be used,it doesnt destroy the disc though. another step needs to be put in place to destroy the disc, just like a folder in the trash. a disc can be cracked in half, and the trash can be deleted/securely deleted.:p

Yes, I understand how it works, but lets say that I am working on a paper for school. When I am done for the day, I don't put everything I have just worked on (my notebook) into the "Trash". Apple should have come up with a more user intuitive method for disk ejection. If I want ot throw something away I put it in the trash. I can recover until I take the trash out to the curb, but I don't want to be throwing things away that I know I want to keep. It is not intuitive for the new Mac user. This was especially true when the Mac first came out and the GUI was new to everyone. I am just surprised that they have left it that way for 22 years. Throwing things away that you want to keep was not intuitive then and it still isn't today.

I also know that you can eject the disk other ways. It just shouldn't be done using the trash can.

jbcaro

bobber205
Jun 29, 2006, 11:26 AM
Anybody that downloaded the movie... can you host it somwhere else. The bandwidth is way gone. ;)

jbcaro
Jun 29, 2006, 11:30 AM
Hahaha, excellent.
Tangental to the story at hand, but:
Why doe the touche ad say that you need to purchase Parallels Software? I understand the need to buy Windows (well, not really, I think an OS that old should be freeware, expecially if it's THAT craptastic), but can't you just use BootCamp?:confused:

Cheers,
Macaddict06

Possibly because Apple doesn't officially support Boot Camp. It's in Beta right now.

jbcaro

bobber205
Jun 29, 2006, 11:33 AM
Yes, I understand how it works, but lets say that I am working on a paper for school. When I am done for the day, I don't put everything I have just worked on (my notebook) into the "Trash". Apple should have come up with a more user intuitive method for disk ejection. If I want ot throw something away I put it in the trash. I can recover until I take the trash out to the curb, but I don't want to be throwing things away that I know I want to keep. It is not intuitive for the new Mac user. This was especially true when the Mac first came out and the GUI was new to everyone. I am just surprised that they have left it that way for 22 years. Throwing things away that you want to keep was not intuitive then and it still isn't today.

I also know that you can eject the disk other ways. It just shouldn't be done using the trash can.

jbcaro

Dude, when you are dragging a volume, the trash changes to an eject symbol, not a trash. So yeah, problem solved. :D

CavemanUK
Jun 29, 2006, 11:36 AM
Hahaha, excellent.
Tangental to the story at hand, but:
Why doe the touche ad say that you need to purchase Parallels Software? I understand the need to buy Windows (well, not really, I think an OS that old should be freeware, expecially if it's THAT craptastic), but can't you just use BootCamp?:confused:

Cheers,
Macaddict06

I think its because bootcamp is only able to dual-boot where as the parallels software can run windows at the same time as os x so you can use windows and mac software at the same time.

jholzner
Jun 29, 2006, 11:39 AM
Like throwing a disk with all of your hard work on it into the trash can to eject the disk. I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :rolleyes:

jbcaro

Well actually, in 10.4 at least, you don't throw it in the trash. If you select a disc to eject the trash can turns to the eject symbol. I think anyway. I'm at work right now so I can't check.

[edit] bobber205 beat me to it.

CavemanUK
Jun 29, 2006, 11:45 AM
Well actually, in 10.4 at least, you don't throw it in the trash. If you select a disc to eject the trash can turns to the eject symbol. I think anyway. I'm at work right now so I can't check.

[edit] bobber205 beat me to it.

yep thats what happens...

being objective about this, i have to say it doesnt feel like its the correct place for the eject option to be... like the guy says, you are dragging potentially important data over the area that was the trashcan.. but i cant honestly say i know a better way of doing it. maybe when you drag a volume, the eject icon could magically appear either in the dock (away from the trashcan) or floating above the desktop...

Stella
Jun 29, 2006, 11:46 AM
I can't believe so many people think this is fake. :confused:

I can't believe there are so many gulliable people out there?

The Finder will be overhauled in 10.5 - if the rumours are correct - the Finder in the video appeared the same, apart from tabbed browsing.

If this was a real video why not show more new functionality, plus functionality that would be difficult to fake.

Caitlyn
Jun 29, 2006, 11:48 AM
I dunno though. It would take a person a long time to make a video like this if it were fake, and why would they go to ALL that trouble if it was a fake? I mean, I guess you could say the same for photoshopped pics, but those are a lot easier to create. As iGary said, there have been a lot of similarities in the mockups lately. I guess we'll just have to wait until August to see.

dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 11:55 AM
The Finder will be overhauled in 10.6 - if the rumours are correct...

10.6? Crap! That's like at least 2 years away. :mad: ;)

Kid Red
Jun 29, 2006, 11:56 AM
A short video because maybe it was taken WITH A PHONE?!

Seems real to me. That would be a TON of work to do the tabbed browsing just to make a mock video?

dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 11:58 AM
A short video because maybe it was taken WITH A PHONE?!

Seems real to me. That would be a TON of work to do the tabbed browsing just to make a mock video?

I'm waiting for the "Making Of" video...

Jimmni
Jun 29, 2006, 11:59 AM
A lot of trouble? Someone with even moderate xCode skills could knock up something like this in less than an hour. This is barely any harder than a photoshop, and to a programmer type much, much easier.

There's only 1 bit of programming being done here - the tabs. They wouldn't even need to go to the trouble of programming file listing behaviour into their fake app - they could just use a screenshot of the folders shown in icon view. The only programming required would be right click menu, the creation of the tabs, and the highlighting of the locations on the sidebar. There is NOTHING in this video that couldn't be faked with ease.

Fake fake fakety fake.

macaddict06
Jun 29, 2006, 12:00 PM
Ok yeah, that makes sense. It's just funny because I never noticed it before - probably because I was too busy laughing my ass of at John Hodgeman...

jbcaro
Jun 29, 2006, 12:03 PM
yep thats what happens...

being objective about this, i have to say it doesnt feel like its the correct place for the eject option to be... like the guy says, you are dragging potentially important data over the area that was the trashcan.. but i cant honestly say i know a better way of doing it. maybe when you drag a volume, the eject icon could magically appear either in the dock (away from the trashcan) or floating above the desktop...


Yes, the icon does change to the eject icon when the disk is placed over it. But if you are new to a Mac (Apple is always trying to get PC'ers to switch) you may not realize that you have to put it over the trash to get the eject message. Anyway, most of my complaints were aimed at its history and why it is still done that way. I do like the idea of a seperate dock item that appears when a mounted volume is there.

Looked up trash and trashcan in thesaurus and nowhere does it also mean eject. Means a lot of things and has a lot of synonyms but none of them give the impression that all of your data will be there when you try to access it at another time.

Wikipedia says the trashcan is a place for deleted files.

jbcaro

Snowy_River
Jun 29, 2006, 12:05 PM
i found this article while browsing through some leopard news.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/50236.html

anyhow... i think this really shows the importance of leapord. This is an oppurtunity for apple to really show whhat its capable of.


this also leads me too believe that the video is probably a fake, because im betting finder will be a little bit more advanced. there needs to be some pretty awesome features in leopard to catch windows users eyes. mac needs to really take advantage.


What's with this comment:
...but if what I'm reading is right, it too has run into problems and won't show up until late 2007...

Late 2007? And Windows has already missed being able to ship in 2006? Don't we have another half of 2006 ahead of us? And, what is he reading about Leopard that's telling him they've run into problems? I try to keep up on these things and I haven't heard any hints that this might be the case. And even if they were delayed, why would that delay end up being a full year?

No, without better references to his sources, I'm not buying what this guy is selling.

Oh, and since when is Leopard based on Vista?

nagromme
Jun 29, 2006, 12:21 PM
Dude, when you are dragging a volume, the trash changes to an eject symbol, not a trash. So yeah, problem solved. :D

Or just... choose Eject :D Dragging to the Dock has never been the only method.

4God
Jun 29, 2006, 12:22 PM
I just have three things to say: FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. :rolleyes:

Stella
Jun 29, 2006, 12:22 PM
10.6? Crap! That's like at least 2 years away. :mad: ;)

Sorry, thats a typo - it should have been 10.5 :-)

CrazyWingman
Jun 29, 2006, 12:30 PM
Yes, the icon does change to the eject icon when the disk is placed over it. But if you are new to a Mac (Apple is always trying to get PC'ers to switch) you may not realize that you have to put it over the trash to get the eject message.

So, I happen to agree that dragging a disk to trash to eject it is a bad metaphore. However, it seems like you're being purposely obtuse here. At least on 10.4.6 (what I have loaded), the trash bin changes to an eject icon when you start dragging, not when "the disk is placed over it". So, if the user makes it as far as clicking & dragging the volume somewhere, they have a chance of noticing the new eject icon.

I'm not saying it's perfect. But, it seems like you're trying to be purposely obtuse about the issue (Windows fanboy?).

Anyway, most of my complaints were aimed at its history and why it is still done that way.

Fine, then use the past tense, or comment on how the system actually works with today's version.

Looked up trash and trashcan in thesaurus and nowhere does it also mean eject.

Hmmm...I just looked up trash and trash can in the thesaurus (thesaurus.reference.com - don't have my Mac next to me right now) and nowhere is it also a synonym for delete (what the name of the key that does the same thing is) or remove (what some other operating systems call purging a file from disk). Despite this, it is pretty obvious to most people (and obvious to even more with a short explanation) that dragging a file to the trash should delete it. Metaphores != synonyms.

...feeding the OT trolls...
-CrazyWingman

bobber205
Jun 29, 2006, 12:31 PM
Or just... choose Eject :D Dragging to the Dock has never been the only method.

I always press Apple-E.

jayb2000
Jun 29, 2006, 12:32 PM
What's with this comment:


Late 2007? And Windows has already missed being able to ship in 2006? Don't we have another half of 2006 ahead of us? And, what is he reading about Leopard that's telling him they've run into problems? I try to keep up on these things and I haven't heard any hints that this might be the case. And even if they were delayed, why would that delay end up being a full year?

No, without better references to his sources, I'm not buying what this guy is selling.

Oh, and since when is Leopard based on Vista?


http://enderle.iwethey.org/

macaddict06
Jun 29, 2006, 12:43 PM
Trash or eject button, your data or removal, come on.
Are we really wasting space on the forums with this? If you think its dumb to use the trash can, go file>>eject. And don't say anything about switchers, more than likey they go file>>eject first, since they are more than likely not to use the trash, out of Windows habit.
In any case, I'm sorry, but from an outsider's view to this argument, I don't see it getting us anywhere. Whether we conclude that it is, infact, destroying your hard work, or perhaps decide that it is sensible, we are still arguing about something miniscule and ultimately, unimportant.
In the meantime, can we worry about what we are learning about Leopard, or what we may expect, as this thread's title should imply?

Cheers,
Macaddict06

know-it-all5
Jun 29, 2006, 12:48 PM
What's with this comment:


Late 2007? And Windows has already missed being able to ship in 2006? Don't we have another half of 2006 ahead of us? And, what is he reading about Leopard that's telling him they've run into problems? I try to keep up on these things and I haven't heard any hints that this might be the case. And even if they were delayed, why would that delay end up being a full year?

No, without better references to his sources, I'm not buying what this guy is selling.

Oh, and since when is Leopard based on Vista?

this is an older article. whne it was written there was a few rumors that leopard could be delayed. recent rumor have suggested the opposite, saying that leopard could be released even prior to macworld 07.

I wouldnt worry if i were you.

Evangelion
Jun 29, 2006, 12:49 PM
I dont know, as weird as that is it kinda makes sense.

And "Start ==> Shutdown" also "kinda makes sense". I mean, I start the process of shutting down the computer.

swingerofbirch
Jun 29, 2006, 12:51 PM
There's a hidden Mac OS X feature to have an eject menu bar item....I believe I added it once using TinkerTool.

It could come in handy....I use a wireless keyboard/mouse without an eject key, so if I want to open the drive when nothing is in it, I have been in the habit of opening iTunes to get access to that eject button on the lower right hand corner.

Paranoidmarvin
Jun 29, 2006, 12:52 PM
Same - less ram (1gb) + faster processor (2.16ghz) than video = instant finder window.
I have a 1.5ghz Powerbook with 1gb of RAM, and it is instant on mine!
Looks interesting, fairly convincing as well - just wish the real thing will hurry up, and make a better impression than Tiger!

Sharkus
Jun 29, 2006, 12:52 PM
With regards to the "About this Mac" shot. What I'd like to see is video of the person clicking on the "10.5 Pre-Release" text so we can see "build number".

If I still had the 10.4.7 seed, or even the 10.4.0 GM seed, installed, I'd check and see what the default text stated. I'm fairly sure the builds would have the build number clearly visible, but if not, all you have to do in any 10.4.x release is click on the version text and it'll cycle between; Version number, build number, machine serial number (if it has one).

Of course, seeing the build number doesn't tell us much, as if it's a fake they could have hacked the finder to put in whatever they liked.

Eniregnat
Jun 29, 2006, 01:06 PM
This is real.

I participated in a pre-release test for Universal Access. Apple does a number of pre-release tests of its software to people that they feel could help them refine the product before it goes master. What I partisapated in was a partial Panther pre-relase for the UA.

It's kind of a craps shoot. If there are problems, youíre screwed. It is impossible to undo a pre-release install with reinstalling. Apple also invited me to give them the names of anybody that I thought would be interested. The builds come from via a download, and include a feed back application.

If I remember correctly the About This Mac, screen had the words pre-release, but also build number. Go figure. If this is the last UI test, then perhaps it wouldnít have a build number. Seems real to me.

I donít think Apple is too worried about leaks concerning Lepord.

Tabbed O.S. browsing,-that goes back to Windows 3.1 and a product called TabWorks, I think. I had it on an old Compaq.

Chef Medeski
Jun 29, 2006, 01:16 PM
Silly people, tabbed browsing is way too advanced for Leopard, they are going to put it into Cougar (10.6 for all those that don't work at Apple, geez get on the info bus)

Thats why the video is so crappy, because it the dungeons of Infinite Loop where they keep all future releases of Mac OS X in their incubators (do you actually think they haven't made all the releases yet, they just stagger adding features that we want to make more profit). But to protect the releases the cast a magnetic field around them so all videos come out grainy, slightly distorted, and with vanishing mouse clicks. And the whole reason the mouse is so nice is because its shock :eek: the fabled bluetooth Super Mouse ( I ... mean.... Mighty Mouse... yeah there will be no name change....)

So... I hoped I enlightened all you non-Apple engineers or those Apple engineers who actualy signed that stupid confidential contract... hah what a joke!!

At least I know I delighted myself for the morning. :D

adamfilip
Jun 29, 2006, 01:27 PM
A lot of trouble? Someone with even moderate xCode skills could knock up something like this in less than an hour. This is barely any harder than a photoshop, and to a programmer type much, much easier..

ok well please someone recreate this video in an hour

jriveractu
Jun 29, 2006, 01:27 PM
me thinks it's fake ... just as all those "real video ipod" videos ... just as Guns N' Roses's "Chinese Democracy" :D

hayesk
Jun 29, 2006, 01:35 PM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!


I think it's fake, but it's not way too responsive. My 1GHz PowerBook G4 can switch file lists immediately - just as fast or faster than the video showed.

Maybe you need more RAM.

Formally Cool
Jun 29, 2006, 01:37 PM
Here's another one:

http://leomancini.net/leopard.mov

A bit of iSync action for you this time!

50548
Jun 29, 2006, 01:47 PM
I just have three things to say: FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. :rolleyes:

Again...how could you fake that? I am still waiting for the answer...

zang
Jun 29, 2006, 01:52 PM
Here's another one:

http://leomancini.net/leopard.mov

A bit of iSync action for you this time!


Yeah, if that's an Apple app, it has some of the most horrid design of any apple application ever. Icons aren't evenly spaced, unprofessional looking and just plain gaudy.

dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 01:55 PM
Again...how could you fake that? I am still waiting for the answer...

One might start by reading this article: How to: Create your own Leopard screenshots/videos (http://dustin.waterfallsw.com/2006/06/how-to-create-your-own-leopard.html)

mrparet
Jun 29, 2006, 01:55 PM
I'm pretty sure Apple will continue to use the iSync icon as a start button to sync the devices not to mention the fact that that iSync logo is large, and disportionate. Also, where's the option so sync ALL the devices at once? Hmm?

Did anyone notice that according to the system specs, that is a tablet Leopard is running on?

benthewraith
Jun 29, 2006, 02:05 PM
Here's another one:

http://leomancini.net/leopard.mov

A bit of iSync action for you this time!

What is a Macpad?

Snowy_River
Jun 29, 2006, 02:33 PM
Here's another one:

http://leomancini.net/leopard.mov

A bit of iSync action for you this time!

It's not working for me...

I download the movie and get

"Error opening movie
The movie could not be opened."

playaj82
Jun 29, 2006, 02:40 PM
I have to agree that these are fake, but they do have a point.

The engineers at Apple are creative people when it comes to adding features to an operating system, but they could always use help.

I like people putting up the "pretend Leopard" screenshots 2 months before the WWDC.

Maybe these pretend ideas will help the holier than thou Apple software engineers come up with some stuff they never thought about for future releases.

By the way, Apple legal would be banging down the doors of every person posting "real" screenshots of Leopard. Can someone say NDA? I'm sure everything is ok when the most highly anticipated Apple release of the past two years somehow gets leaked ahead of time.

Give me a break

tiramisu
Jun 29, 2006, 02:52 PM
it's easy to feel it's a fake. just take screenshots from safari and finder
combine it in adobe flash and record the whole with a cam.... :rolleyes:

dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 03:00 PM
Maybe these pretend ideas will help the holier than thou Apple software engineers come up with some stuff they never thought about for future releases.

What makes you think Apple's software engineers are "holier than thou"? :confused:

playaj82
Jun 29, 2006, 03:15 PM
What makes you think Apple's software engineers are "holier than thou"? :confused:

Well you have the entire nerd community praising you for coming up with the next big software feature that has changed our lives, I would just imagine you feel pretty important.

Maybe not God, but perhaps Demi-God

I have nothing against them, don't get me wrong.

iProd
Jun 29, 2006, 03:15 PM
I lol'd

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j310/iProd2/owned.png

hoppo99
Jun 29, 2006, 04:10 PM
As the videos haven't been taken down due to pressure from Apple's legal department we can safely assume that they are fakes, just the screenshots from last week.

I can't imagine that tabbed browsing in the finder is going to be one of Leopard's headline features anyway, let alone a feature at all. The video only features it because it has generally been assumed to be a feature of Leopard and is relatively easy to fake taking elements from iTunes, Safari and the Finder itself. I think we can rest assured that Apple has some really exciting features up its sleeve, plus we only had Tiger leaks a matter of a few days before features such as Dashboard being demonstrated.

HGW
Jun 29, 2006, 04:22 PM
the finder sucks with or without tabbed browsing.

its a dinosaur.

shawnce
Jun 29, 2006, 04:24 PM
I lol'd

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j310/iProd2/owned.png

Sorry missing what you are laughing about... care to explain?

Just maybe the year is 1904? (but in playing video is sure looks like 1983-2006)

Philberttheduck
Jun 29, 2006, 05:10 PM
It reads 1993(?) to 2004 at the bottom.

Bengt77
Jun 29, 2006, 05:16 PM
Don't forget the memory. With 1,25 GB of RAM an iMac G5 can be VERY responsive. On my rev. A iMac, with the same amount of memory, the Finder is very snappy (to the point that that Mac HD link you mention opens instantaneously), and this is while folding and having a lot of apps open (Mail, Safari, Mercury, iChat and iTunes). :rolleyes:
Whoa! I also have a rev. A iMac, just like you, but where do I put that whopping 1.25GB of RAM in it? Also, mine isn't quite as responsive as what you say yours is, or as the one in the video. Will a G3 233MHz even be able to run Leopard?!...

;) :p :D

hyperpasta
Jun 29, 2006, 05:19 PM
It reads 1993(?) to 2004 at the bottom.

If true, it's fake.

HGW
Jun 29, 2006, 05:54 PM
It reads 1993(?) to 2004 at the bottom.

my moneys on 1983 when the finder was created

nofear1az
Jun 29, 2006, 06:26 PM
Well, if this is all Apple could do to improve the Finder after this length of time... I am sorely not impressed.

I remember hearing rumors about Apple actually creating alot of improvements to the Finder. I hope this is not all they did: add color to the sidebar and tabbed Finder.... don't get me wrong, these are nice improvements and all but ones that could take less than a month to do, not 2 yrs.

I hope on the *official* Leopard, they have improved the Finder as much as PathFinder looks. That would be darn cool. I know how Apple likes to keep things really simplified but it hurts us users that like some more control/power over things. Why not even implement a Preference for a Finder Basic or Finder Professional. That way, you have both and can satisfy both sides of the camps. Kinda like they already do with DVD Studio Pro.

Apple: Please don't let Leopard out as boring as this video looks....please!!!

ilikeninjas90
Jun 29, 2006, 06:35 PM
the leopard seems alright to me

still better than previous ones

HGW
Jun 29, 2006, 06:56 PM
Well, if this is all Apple could do to improve the Finder after this length of time... I am sorely not impressed.

I remember hearing rumors about Apple actually creating alot of improvements to the Finder. I hope this is not all they did: add color to the sidebar and tabbed Finder.... don't get me wrong, these are nice improvements and all but ones that could take less than a month to do, not 2 yrs.

I hope on the *official* Leopard, they have improved the Finder as much as PathFinder looks. That would be darn cool. I know how Apple likes to keep things really simplified but it hurts us users that like some more control/power over things. Why not even implement a Preference for a Finder Basic or Finder Professional. That way, you have both and can satisfy both sides of the camps. Kinda like they already do with DVD Studio Pro.

Apple: Please don't let Leopard out as boring as this video looks....please!!!


completley agree, not impressed

Kuru Kuru
Jun 29, 2006, 06:58 PM
Not just that I'm not impressed (though I have been waiting effing ages for tabs), but did anyone else wonder why it was running on an iMac G5 (with a PPC processor) and not a new Intel mac (which you would think it would be designed for, given the hardware switch over)? What kind of sense would that make, even in its preliminary stages? Or had they not planned on making the OS processor-exclusive yet?

dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 07:01 PM
Not just that I'm not impressed (though I have been waiting effing ages for tabs), but did anyone else wonder why it was running on an iMac G5 (with a PPC processor) and not a new Intel mac (which you would think it would be designed for, given the hardware switch over)? What kind of sense would that make, even in its preliminary stages? Or had they not planned on making the OS processor-exclusive yet?

Are you saying you think Leopard will only run in Intel Macs? Yeah, right...

081440
Jun 29, 2006, 08:23 PM
Looks fake to me. They would have shown more plus the dock would have had some new apps in it. (both things obviously stated many times before)

shawnce
Jun 29, 2006, 10:18 PM
It reads 1993(?) to 2004 at the bottom.
No that is what you think you see... :)

If you watch the video or pick other frames you can see all kinds of dates (including 2006). In other words attempting to look at single frame in a video stream with motion blur taking place and then compressed to hell and trying to make a judgement is... well not really useful. :)

Stella
Jun 29, 2006, 11:10 PM
The fakers had G5's...

If you think 10.5 is going to be only Intel, then you'd better think again.. There are more PPC macs than Intel. Apple ARE NOT GOING TO DROP PPC FOR THE FORE-SEEABLE FUTURE!


Not just that I'm not impressed (though I have been waiting effing ages for tabs), but did anyone else wonder why it was running on an iMac G5 (with a PPC processor) and not a new Intel mac (which you would think it would be designed for, given the hardware switch over)? What kind of sense would that make, even in its preliminary stages? Or had they not planned on making the OS processor-exclusive yet?

Sirin
Jun 29, 2006, 11:59 PM
The video's out of bandwidth. Anybody have a seperate mirror?

iProd
Jun 30, 2006, 04:00 AM
Apple ARE NOT GOING TO DROP PPC FOR THE FORE-SEEABLE FUTURE!

Er, technically they already did :D. Or do you mean development? :)

svenas1
Jun 30, 2006, 04:17 AM
A short video because maybe it was taken WITH A PHONE?!

Seems real to me. That would be a TON of work to do the tabbed browsing just to make a mock video?

exactly... all you guys whining about low video quality...

nowhere does it say it was HIS computer ... maybe just his pals...

no NDA to break...

Stella
Jun 30, 2006, 06:22 AM
Er, technically they already did :D. Or do you mean development? :)

LOL -

Dev.

steve_hill4
Jun 30, 2006, 06:29 AM
my moneys on 1983 when the finder was created
Yes 1993 makes no sense. It's most likely going to say 1983-2006, in the same way Finder currently says 1983-2005.

nate13
Jun 30, 2006, 06:39 AM
just a thought on the finder window discussion... isnt a rumored feature of Leopard supposed to be prefetching? otherwise if he did this more than once, and since he only has one app apparently open, it should open instantianously :p . same thing happens to me on a 1ghz iMac... 3 trys and its instantanous. As for leopard... if this is all that they are going to offer then, i hate to say it, but vista is looking a tad better. apple has to up their game just a tad :rolleyes: ;)

amacgenius
Jun 30, 2006, 07:26 AM
I just noticed something, the whole "Sidebar" idea is perfectly plausible, just look at iPhoto's sidebar.

If this has been mentioned sorry, I searched the thread for "iPhoto" and nothing came up.

http://mr.amacgenius.com/source.png

dnedved
Jun 30, 2006, 07:27 AM
The FINDER needs a tree diagram on the side.

I'm with you 100%. Every time I find myself either having to open 2 finder windows, or having to wait and drill down through my entire directory structure I find myself very annoyed that such a superior OS has such an inferior file system gui.

Make it turned off by default, whatever. Just give me a single window where I can see the source and destination folders at the same time, even if they're not parents/children of each other!!!

It's not just Winders 95+ that has a tree view, it's every major x-windows file browser gui as well.

Oh, and I'm giving tabs a thumbs-up. Because of the lack of a tree view, I'm always having new finder windows pop up every time I do the drill-down routine. They multiply like rabbits! At least keeping them in one window will help the desktop stay more manageable. (But I'd be MUCH happier with a tree view!!!)

50548
Jun 30, 2006, 07:52 AM
my moneys on 1983 when the finder was created

Exactly...the copyright note on the Finder reads 1983-2005 in every Mac.

50548
Jun 30, 2006, 07:54 AM
I'm with you 100%. Every time I find myself either having to open 2 finder windows, or having to wait and drill down through my entire directory structure I find myself very annoyed that such a superior OS has such an inferior file system gui.

Make it turned off by default, whatever. Just give me a single window where I can see the source and destination folders at the same time, even if they're not parents/children of each other!!!

It's not just Winders 95+ that has a tree view, it's every major x-windows file browser gui as well.

Oh, and I'm giving tabs a thumbs-up. Because of the lack of a tree view, I'm always having new finder windows pop up every time I do the drill-down routine. They multiply like rabbits! At least keeping them in one window will help the desktop stay more manageable. (But I'd be MUCH happier with a tree view!!!)

Hell no...tree view on the Finder would be like copying the worst from Windows...no, please...it's one of the most confusing features ever on Windows Explorer.

StrongBad
Jun 30, 2006, 10:50 AM
Here's another one:

http://leomancini.net/leopard.mov



jeez, you guys need to look for the details that actually prove (without a doubt) that it's fake.

Like this clip runs 1:05 in duration, but the clock never changes from 4:42 PM. So unless this person lives somewhere where minutes are skewed, this whole clip (and the person sharing it) has been debunked.

Snowy_River
Jun 30, 2006, 11:03 AM
Yes 1993 makes no sense. It's most likely going to say 1983-2006, in the same way Finder currently says 1983-2005.

2005?

Mine says "1983-2006". Maybe this is new with 10.4.7?

HGW
Jun 30, 2006, 11:07 AM
also i find opening two windows irritating.

maybe the bottom half of the finder could incorporate a columns view of where you are going, and that could be independant also.

the sidebar idea was available before panther (you just had to drag things to the topbar instead) shame on apple for making us pay for that ugrade.

i would like to see apple use the apple menu for more and keep the use of finder to a minimal (turn it into a pro app)

trinityrubicon
Jun 30, 2006, 11:16 AM
It's not real.

1. The Finder window is simply a hacked Path Finder. All you have to do is get rid of the Finder icon from the Dock's plist and change Path Finder's icon to the Finder's. It's in System/Library/CoreServices/Finder/Finder.icns.

2. The "About this Mac" box's system version can be hacked too. Go to System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist and you can change it to say "Version 10.5 Pre-Release".

3. If he's testing Leopard, doesn't it seem kinda strange that he only provides one video and no kind of demonstration of the features besides the Finder? And why is the video so short? It's only out of unwillingness to make more videos.

4. Anybody who's testing Leopard would be rich enough to get himself some good Mac screen recorder software.

5. I'm confused why anybody would believe this is real after all of the fake screenshots posted in the last couple of weeks (including my own (http://trinityrubicon.blogspot.com/2006/06/mac-os-x-105-leopard-screenshots.html)</a>).

DaveGee
Jun 30, 2006, 11:20 AM
jeez, you guys need to look for the details that actually prove (without a doubt) that it's fake.

Like this clip runs 1:05 in duration, but the clock never changes from 4:42 PM. So unless this person lives somewhere where minutes are skewed, this whole clip (and the person sharing it) has been debunked.

Huh....

What video are you looking at? Not once did I see the upper right corner of the screen (where I'm assuming you are seeing a clock that never changes it's time). Do the mirrors have some kind of re-edited mov where we aren't seeing the whole frame?

Oh and the mirrored clip is a mere 28 seconds long (not 1 min 5 sec)

Dave

milatchi
Jun 30, 2006, 12:23 PM
Ooh, I hope it's real. Tabbed anything is great. Even TaBbed soda.

:rolleyes:

4God
Jun 30, 2006, 01:24 PM
Again...how could you fake that? I am still waiting for the answer...

Xcode and how 'bout this:

It's not real.

1. The Finder window is simply a hacked Path Finder. All you have to do is get rid of the Finder icon from the Dock's plist and change Path Finder's icon to the Finder's. It's in System/Library/CoreServices/Finder/Finder.icns.

2. The "About this Mac" box's system version can be hacked too. Go to System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist and you can change it to say "Version 10.5 Pre-Release".

3. If he's testing Leopard, doesn't it seem kinda strange that he only provides one video and no kind of demonstration of the features besides the Finder? And why is the video so short? It's only out of unwillingness to make more videos.

4. Anybody who's testing Leopard would be rich enough to get himself some good Mac screen recorder software.

5. I'm confused why anybody would believe this is real after all of the fake screenshots posted in the last couple of weeks (including my own (http://trinityrubicon.blogspot.com/2006/06/mac-os-x-105-leopard-screenshots.html)</a>).


and this:

It reads 1993(?) to 2004 at the bottom.

JRomero
Jun 30, 2006, 07:48 PM
Another photo I have found on Flickr...

http://flickr.com/photos/34716852@N00/178582809/

Here is the translation of the description:

I discovered a nice (however unspectacular feature) in the new
leopard. The Apple thinks of us. There is now a KW specification in
iCal. Nicely, but the hammer in iCal betrayal I still not, perhaps
next week.

ahuman7341
Jun 30, 2006, 08:00 PM
Xcode and how 'bout this:

and this:

you cant add tabs to the finder window in Xcode, the main finder window is not a .nib therefore not editable with interface builder.

Im pretty confident it says 1983-2006 there.

But I think its fake.

trainguy77
Jun 30, 2006, 09:01 PM
http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/06/tabbed_finder_window/

This person never did explain how they did it. Maybe they photoshoped it maybe not.

ahuman7341
Jul 1, 2006, 06:15 AM
That one is obviously fake they didn't even align the brushed metal tecture to the rest of the finder window when they photoshopped it.

funkychunkz
Jul 1, 2006, 07:41 AM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!


It's called a feature: in this case speed. Finder acceleration is one rumored thing to be in 10.5. Currently browsing sucks.

DaveGee
Jul 1, 2006, 03:41 PM
It's called a feature: in this case speed. Finder acceleration is one rumored thing to be in 10.5. Currently browsing sucks.


It could also be attributed to simply format-installing the OS for the first time. It's quite amazing just how 'ZIPPY' everything is right after you do that (no matter what OS you're running). :D

Dave

21stcenturykid
Jul 1, 2006, 05:26 PM
maybe im an imbesile (that is highly possible!) but even through my limited mac experience ive noticed that the apple icon in the top left of the screen changes its looks with everynew OS that is released. and the one that is on the video is exactly the same as Tiger's maybe thats nothing but it could be more evidence for it being fake? correct me if im wrong please

bobber205
Jul 1, 2006, 05:43 PM
It doesn't always change.

I don't think it did from 10.2 to 10.3

21stcenturykid
Jul 1, 2006, 05:54 PM
It doesn't always change.

I don't think it did from 10.2 to 10.3
well there u go...imbesile :P haha oh well that was a waste of a post

JosiahPB
Jul 2, 2006, 12:28 PM
Why are so many people excited about a movie? There are leopards in Zoos all over the world...

paz117
Jul 3, 2006, 11:50 AM
Guys. If this hasn't been said before (too lazy to look through all the posts) Thats an iMac, and it says G5 1.6GHz. Whats going on there??

Fake.

HGW
Jul 3, 2006, 04:14 PM
Guys. If this hasn't been said before (too lazy to look through all the posts) Thats an iMac, and it says G5 1.6GHz. Whats going on there??

Fake.

nonsense

81% of statistics are made up on the spot

trainguy77
Jul 3, 2006, 04:15 PM
nonsense

81% of statistics are made up on the spot
And only 10% of people will believe that.

ezekielrage_99
Jul 4, 2006, 02:19 AM
And only 10% of people will believe that.

Yeah and after all you can use facts to prove anything ;)

OdduWon
Jul 4, 2006, 10:01 PM
i like the tabs. i think that the "solid Metal" looks more like the flat almost graident grey "metal" of the current itunes. would be cool to see "chunkier" metal in 10.5

MikeTheC
Jul 9, 2006, 07:24 PM
Looks fake. Way too responsive for an imac G5 1.6. Even my powermac G5 doesnt explore new windows that quickly. Notice as soon as she/he clicked on the mac HD link, it appeared immediately!

Also, if it was real...wouldnt she show us more of the OS such as...well...idk...other stuff?
Really? My 1.6GHz PB G4 does, even when running in Reduced CPU mode.

Click - bam! Click - bam!

Seriously, maybe you should check for HD fragmentation or something else taking up CPU cycles.