Over 90% Of Devs Say PS3 Is Too Pricy [Archive]

MacRumorUser

Jul 2, 2006, 07:45 AM

Only 90% ? WTF rich ass 10% doing.... :D

That's why they are trying to make out its a computer, and we'll all be happy to spend more money on BTO models...

Sony the world has plenty of computers running proper operating systems with plenty of applications and support, we dont need a crippled linux PS3, what the world wanted was a console - that's right a CONSOLE - Sony ye bunch of langers...

Killyp

Jul 2, 2006, 07:56 AM

Does the PS3 use Linux?

MacRumorUser

Jul 2, 2006, 08:02 AM

Does the PS3 use Linux?

It uses a Sony flavoured Linux. Even better...... :D

Killyp

Jul 2, 2006, 08:15 AM

So it's going to be hugely overpriced and looks like it's all plastic?

MacRumorUser

Jul 2, 2006, 08:18 AM

So it's going to be hugely overpriced and looks like it's all plastic?

Errm well theres a reason for that design..

http://www.sonyplaystation3news.com/images/ps3-grill.jpg

Mmmmmm Sony..............
With the PS3's patented design, the fat drains straight from the grill and into your mouth. :)

raggedjimmi

Jul 2, 2006, 08:35 AM

Whoever made that image smiles constantly.

This is huge news. forget all these Sony quotes, this takes the bullet. if the glaring majority of devs say PS3 is too expensive then uh-ohs. but which do they mean -

Too expensive to develop for? This is huge as it would isolate much 3rd party support instantly. The exact area that Nintendo, and less so Microsoft are enticing with downloadable games and cheaper games.

Too expensive to buy the console? The dev has spent a fortune making this game only to reap little reward back. Which mostly means a port and possible drop of support for the system.

PS3? Welcome to N64 world. Which wasn't a bad system, heck I was in the pocket money ages with the N64 so I couldn't afford many games anyways.
Anybody else seeing this as reversing Sony's philosophy on games? cheap console, cheap games to overpriced everything?

GFLPraxis

Jul 2, 2006, 01:09 PM

Does the PS3 use Linux?

The PS3 can boot a Linux desktop, according to Sony.

2nyRiggz

Jul 2, 2006, 04:22 PM

The PS3 can boot a Linux desktop, according to Sony.

We'll see what they got in store for us.....we don't know much about the machine except the price tag...and some other crap

Lets see if our brand new PS3 comes with a keyboard and mouse too...

Bless

chairguru22

Jul 2, 2006, 04:25 PM

raggedjimmi

Jul 2, 2006, 04:37 PM

Yea, Sony trying to pawn the PS3 off as a PC to avoid UK taxes. Brilliant! Fair play though, they had a good idea. I'm sure Nintendo and MS have thought of it too. but the way they tried soooo hard to convince the world it's a computer. hell, the Linux distro was probably only there to backup Sony's claims. now this whole tax thing has been resolved (it's a console, according to the Lord Justice guy) I wonder if Sony will follow through on their promise?

Zac

Jul 2, 2006, 04:41 PM

It is similiar to Jaffa Cakes, and that the company tried to say they where cakes and not biscuits to avoid people having to pay taxes on them in the UK.

viccles

Jul 2, 2006, 04:41 PM

I definitely don't have $1000 to pay for a PS3. Thats how mow much they are preordering them here

thegreatluke

Jul 2, 2006, 04:56 PM

I definitely don't have $1000 to pay for a PS3. Thats how mow much they are preordering them here
Where do you live, if I may ask?

raggedjimmi

Jul 2, 2006, 04:57 PM

It is similiar to Jaffa Cakes, and that the company tried to say they where cakes and not biscuits to avoid people having to pay taxes on them in the UK.

Seriously?! haha. I always wondered about the name. shame they're delicious :o

GFLPraxis

Jul 2, 2006, 05:35 PM

Mord

Jul 2, 2006, 06:12 PM

sony will soon enough realize that linux will open them completely up to home brew, ala psp and thus axe it and release some crippled sony OS which can just about launch a browser and manage files.

GFLPraxis

Jul 2, 2006, 08:17 PM

sony will soon enough realize that linux will open them completely up to home brew, ala psp and thus axe it and release some crippled sony OS which can just about launch a browser and manage files.

What's wrong with homebrew? As long as it is running atop of Linux and barred from booting directly on the hardware, it can't be used to pirate PS3 games, and there's no reason to block it. The entire reason Sony blocks PSP homebrew is not because the applications, but the pirates that use the same methods.

Mord

Jul 2, 2006, 08:50 PM

GFLPraxis

Jul 2, 2006, 09:47 PM

In this case Sony wants people to get Blu-ray. If that means letting people waste their time on homebrew, so be it- as long as it helps the PS3 do well in the marketplace and doesn't allow piracy, Sony'll probably be fine with it.

climhazzard85

Jul 2, 2006, 10:53 PM

The fact that the Wii is one of the cheapest consoles ever produced to develop for (not to mention cheap for consumers) might help them surpass Sony this generation. I mean really at this point, who wouldn't love to see that? Sony has become way too greedy. This winter will definitely be interesting.

Counterfit

Jul 2, 2006, 11:35 PM

They ruled that the PS2 is a console. No decision on the PS3 yet- and if the PS3 ships with an OS...
Well, the XBox and GameCube had some semblance of an OS...

sam10685

Jul 2, 2006, 11:47 PM

CONSOLE FOR VIDEO GAMES.

yeah, dude... if i want a computer, i'll save a little more and get a butt-kicking Mac-mini. much more worth the money. if i want to play video games, i do not want to spend $600.

sam10685

Jul 2, 2006, 11:49 PM

Well, the XBox and GameCube had some semblance of an OS...

if the gamecube has an OS, the PS2 has more of one.

Chundles

Jul 2, 2006, 11:52 PM

Here the low-end one with the 20GB hard drive and NO HDMI output is going to be at the high end of $800, the top range model with the 60GB HDD is going to be $999.

The original Playstation was $799 when it first came out so the jump up isn't huge, the 360 is ~$650 and the Wii will be between $300 and $400.

NewbieNerd

Jul 3, 2006, 12:29 AM

personally i love homebrew, but sony does not, the more homebrew people run the less games they buy in their naive eyes, but it brings more users to the console and makes it the more popular choice meaning more sales in the long run, i just have very little faith in sony.

Both arguments have merit, and I don't think it is perfectly clear that the benefits of homebrew to Sony are greater than the negatives. Does supported homebrew really attract a lot of customers that wouldn't have otherwise purchased vs. unsupported? Doubt it. The success of Blu-Ray is a little more important.

greatdevourer

Jul 3, 2006, 01:11 AM

What's wrong with homebrew? As long as it is running atop of Linux and barred from booting directly on the hardware, it can't be used to pirate PS3 games, and there's no reason to block it. The entire reason Sony blocks PSP homebrew is not because the applications, but the pirates that use the same methods. You're forgetting something. If people buy their consoles just to run homebrew, that's however much it is (not sure for the PSP) down the drain. Now, as you've said, for the PS3, that matters not as much, but for the PSP it's a big factor

GFLPraxis

Jul 3, 2006, 01:32 AM

You're forgetting something. If people buy their consoles just to run homebrew, that's however much it is (not sure for the PSP) down the drain. Now, as you've said, for the PS3, that matters not as much, but for the PSP it's a big factor

Sony'll take the PS3 loss and declare it worth it if the result is the death of HD-DVD. And if you own a PS3 you'll probably buy games for it eventually :)

As for the PSP- you're right, and that's why Sony is vigilantly blocking homebrew on it :)

I hope Nintendo either supports homebrew on the Wii or makes it very easy for independent developers to get dev kits (the later is more likely) so we can see tons of free/cheap indie stuff.

greatdevourer

Jul 3, 2006, 01:59 AM

I hope Nintendo either supports homebrew on the Wii or makes it very easy for independent developers to get dev kits (the later is more likely) so we can see tons of free/cheap indie stuff. The press keeps on saying $2000, which (although way out of many of our price ranges) sounds very very cool :cool:

raggedjimmi

Jul 3, 2006, 02:22 AM

Didn't they say it had dropped below the $2k price? Like $1700 or something. Either way it's very, very cheap. Nintendo don't just intend getting a Wii into peoples homes but a dev kit into studios.

GFLPraxis

Jul 3, 2006, 03:59 AM

Didn't they say it had dropped below the $2k price? Like $1700 or something. Either way it's very, very cheap. Nintendo don't just intend getting a Wii into peoples homes but a dev kit into studios.

That was a conversion of the Japanese price.

I know it's cheap, but Nintendo has in the past been VERY picky about where they send their dev kits- one of the pickiest companies in the world. I'm not worried about the price, I'm worried about who Nintendo will allow to get the dev kits.

The press keeps on saying $2000, which (although way out of many of our price ranges) sounds very very cool

Sounds like a good investment. Less than a PowerMac, yet its a full development environment for a next-gen (or should I say new-gen?) console that'll be standard for the next five years. If you produce a single virtual console title, sell it for $2 and get 1,000 people to buy it out of sheer curiousity, you've made back your investment.

Mord

Jul 3, 2006, 06:08 AM

Both arguments have merit, and I don't think it is perfectly clear that the benefits of homebrew to Sony are greater than the negatives. Does supported homebrew really attract a lot of customers that wouldn't have otherwise purchased vs. unsupported? Doubt it. The success of Blu-Ray is a little more important.

people underestimate the geek factor, geeks are who write about consoles online, geeks are who recommend systems to people, the psp would be dead if it were not for homebrew due it's lack of good games for the first few months of release.

raggedjimmi

Jul 3, 2006, 10:13 AM

Speaking of PSP homebrew - firmware downgraders are now available for version 2+ systems. snarl Sony!

Mord

Jul 3, 2006, 10:22 AM

i know, i'd like a psp, or a DS lite, but both have flaws i cant live with and i just know i would never use them, i prefer playing advance wars on an emulator on my macbook screen over a tiny ass handheld and thier are no psp games i'm interested in compared to the lite with it's one game i like advance wars.

Jaffa Cake

Jul 3, 2006, 10:48 AM

It is similiar to Jaffa Cakes, and that the company tried to say they where cakes and not biscuits to avoid people having to pay taxes on them in the UK.I couldn't possibly comment. :D

Mord

Jul 3, 2006, 10:55 AM

Jaffa Cake

Jul 3, 2006, 10:58 AM

jafa cakes are cakes, cakes are soft and spongy, what makes a cake is if you press on it it'll come back, biscuits do not they crumble and break, macaroons can sometimes have this property but they are more like a quasi cake-buiscuit.Jaffa Cakes go hard when they go stale, like cakes, whereas biscuits go soft and soggy.

j26

Jul 3, 2006, 11:01 AM

jafa cakes are cakes, cakes are soft and spongy, what makes a cake is if you press on it it'll come back, biscuits do not they crumble and break, macaroons can sometimes have this property but they are more like a quasi cake-buiscuit.

No they're not. Here's the official word (Look at the First FAQ (http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/index.php3))

Mord

Jul 3, 2006, 11:08 AM

it says they are not biscuits, which concurs with my hypothesis. who dunks jaffa cakes into thier tea?

2nyRiggz

Jul 3, 2006, 11:10 AM

We talking about cakes now.....I like johnny cake and chocolate cake...hook it up!

Bless

MacRumorUser

Jul 3, 2006, 11:13 AM

I'm a bit of a sad git for knowing this but!!

The defining factor for government tax purposes to differentiate between a biscuit and a cake - is how it goes off - when stale.

A biscuit will always go soft when stale/off
A cake will alwats go hard when stale/off

Cakes have no VAT at all
General Biscuits (your digetsives, rich tea) have no VAT

However luxury biscuits (those with chocolate on) do have VAT

McVities in order to prove that that the Jaffa cake was indeed a cake and not a biscuit, baked a 12" Jafa Cake and let it go stale and presented it to the VAT crowd to prove indeed that it did go HARD and not soft.

Hence the Jaffa was indeed classed a Cake for VAT.

God I am sad....

Jaffa Cake

Jul 3, 2006, 11:17 AM

God I am sad....Nothing sad about it at all. I salute your Jaffa Cake knowledge, sir – you're totally spot on. ;)

raggedjimmi

Jul 3, 2006, 12:13 PM

God I am sad....

No, MacVities were for making a 12" Jaffa Cake to prove a point :eek:

I wonder how long it would take for the PS3 to go stale? *opens gates*

and I still want some Jaffa Cakes.

2nyRiggz

Jul 3, 2006, 02:10 PM

I wonder how long it would take for the PS3 to go stale? *opens gates*

Three days longer than the Wii Wii:) (Don't think wee last long at all in hot areas)*shuts gate*
Chocolate macVities are awesome...

Bless

jaxstate

Jul 3, 2006, 09:41 PM

raggedjimmi

Jul 4, 2006, 05:46 AM

brand loyalty means little in todays fickle market. as I think it might have been quoted already

"It's like Coke Cola decided to leave the soft drinks market entirely and start producing fine wines"

Take Atari. Very popular brand, especially in America. Yet look at what they did with the Jaguar. Or even closer to home, look at the Japan only PSX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_%28DVR%29) (The PS2 with a media centre built in), it was a tremendous flop and is massively similar to the whole PS3 situation.
Nobody wanted the media centre capabilities. People just wanted the games machine, hence the big PS2 sales and the tiny PSX sales.

Macnoviz

Jul 4, 2006, 06:05 AM

Anyone seen the eight days trailer? They say those are in-game, non prerendered graphics, and if that's true, I'm buying a PS3 just for that. It's bloddy amazing.

Also, you get a blu ray player, and my guess is that eventually blu-ray will win the next format war.

All together, I think the PS3 will be worth it's price, and maybe even have an early price drop within the first year

Speaking of consoles, any guesses when we will get an updated Pippin?

raggedjimmi

Jul 4, 2006, 06:13 AM

Whether that's after the 5th million or 6th million unit is sold, that's super arguable and they're going to have to lifecycle price the hardware in a way that brings it to the masses, I would think relatively soon, because it is expensive. For a lot of families that's too expensive.

Sega and Ubisoft have now publicly expressed a danger over the price tag of the PS3.

But in retaliation to ALL this lack of 3rd party support the PS3 is experiencing, guess what Sony had this to say? It's a real humour moment again.

The days of locking up exclusive content from a third party and having that be key to your strategy is really a dangerous road to go down because I think with the cost of development, not many developers can afford to do exclusivity. So, really what defines the uniqueness of a platform from a software standpoint are the offerings that you have from first party.

Sony fans deny all you want. The PS3's bread and butter is in 3rd party. its what got Sony where they are today, as well as cheap machines. oh.
Sony's strategy might be a smart one. They might be trying to reverse the PS1/2 situation of having a squillion games - 5 only being good. With those boosted developer costs and difficulty in programming they would effectively stop that surge of crapness from flowing in. Aka, The N64 scenario.

Oh, and to the above poster. Price drop? Highly unlikely. They're already taking a huge financial loss with the PS3. It costs around $700-$800 to produce and they're selling for $500 (I think, I don't know the US price exactly). A price drop anytime soon will be very unlikely, unless of course the BR films cost a crap load or the games do. Again, PSP scenario. Sell a console at a loss and charge over the odds for a CD based game, costing more than a cart based game. GTA:LCS is £30 for PSP (http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&sku=387113), £15 for the PS2 (http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&sku=490578) version. or 40 and £20 respectively in shop. EXPLAIN PLEASE.

steelfist

Jul 4, 2006, 08:54 AM

ps3 might be a repeat of history. anybody knew about the pipin? it was 3 years ahead of it's time but it was twice as expensive as comparable systems, which made it a failure.

and guess what.... pipin was apple's product, their first try into the gaming market.

raggedjimmi

Jul 4, 2006, 10:00 AM

Anyone seen the eight days trailer? They say those are in-game, non prerendered graphics, and if that's true, I'm buying a PS3 just for that. It's bloddy amazing.

Great, another 3rd person shooting game. GTA and Driver told me that wasn't a great genre (don't get me wrong GTA isn't bad, but the running/shooting bit was poor). And who can forget the terrible repeated cinematic cliches of throwing a lighter into petrol and walking away. all in slow motion mind.
nah.

Haoshiro

Jul 4, 2006, 10:07 AM

Reguardless, the PS3 will not be a failure. Too many people love Playstation. I do believe the console wars will be way closer between MS and Sony, but there is no way the PS3 will fail. (and I'm a XBOX owner not a Sony fanboy)

Perhaps PS3 will not fail thanks to blind brand loyalty. However it will be the company that can most appeal to new customers (who have little or no brand bias) that will likely be the big "winner" here. So far this really seems to be Nintendo's Wii.

Sony is actually in a tough spot because the are the industry leader at this point. They have lots of room to do worse rather then better.

So when you consider that they will probably lose more customers then they gain due to pricing alone it definitely isn't the best outlook.

My guess is that Sony is taking that risk now rather then later, with hopes that their huge customer base will ensure them a victory for Blu-ray. Their install base is probably at it's largest ever at this point so they can use that to brute force Blu-ray into a successful position, and while they will ultimately do worse this generation then any other they will resume being competitive in the next, with their Blu-ray success helping drive the PS4 (and then cheaper new design PS3).

That's speculation, of course. But for this generation I don't think there is much doubt they are going to lose more customers and money then they ever have. It's also likely that they know this, and it is a risk they are taking for a reason (else they are all just insane, which is still possible).

2nyRiggz

Jul 4, 2006, 10:12 AM

Great, another 3rd person shooting game. GTA and Driver told me that wasn't a great genre (don't get me wrong GTA isn't bad, but the running/shooting bit was poor). And who can forget the terrible repeated cinematic cliches of throwing a lighter into petrol and walking away. all in slow motion mind.
nah.

Yea ok?...That game looks good and since none of us played it yet we won't know the gameplay...there are a lot of great 3rd person shooting game(Freedom Fighters for example). Most all of these games run on the same cliches over and over and over again so you get the point.

The naughty dog game looks awesome.....

Bless

Macnoviz

Jul 4, 2006, 10:46 AM

Great, another 3rd person shooting game. GTA and Driver told me that wasn't a great genre (don't get me wrong GTA isn't bad, but the running/shooting bit was poor). And who can forget the terrible repeated cinematic cliches of throwing a lighter into petrol and walking away. all in slow motion mind.
nah.

I wasn't talking about the gameplay/storytelling/originality, but simply the stunning graphics, maybe stunning is an overused word, but for any experienced gamer (I wasn't a Mac user all my life) you can say that this game's graphics are unlike anything we've ever seen. The image is unbelievably smooth, and the movement is incredibly realistic (even for MoCap)
That's what makes this trailer the biggest surprise of E3