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yg17
Jul 6, 2006, 10:49 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/us/05liberty.html?th&emc=th

Lady Liberty Trades In Some Trappings
MEMPHIS, July 4 — On Independence Day, Lady Liberty was born again.

As the congregation of the World Overcomers Outreach Ministries Church looked on and its pastor, Apostle Alton R. Williams, presided, a brown shroud much like a burqa was pulled away to reveal a giant statue of the Lady, but with the Ten Commandments under one arm and "Jehovah" inscribed on her crown.

And in place of a torch, she held aloft a large gold cross, as if to ward off the pawnshops, the car dealerships and the discount furniture outlets at the busy corner of Kirby Parkway and Winchester that is her home. A single tear graced her cheek.

It was not clear if she was crying because of her new home, her new identity as a symbol of religion or, as the pastor said, America's increasing godlessness. But although big cheers went up from the few hundred onlookers at the unveiling, and some people even wore foam Lady Liberty crowns bearing Christian slogans, she was not universally welcomed.

Most of the customers at the Dixie Queen food counter near the church viewed the statue as a cheap attention grab, said Guardia Nelson, 27, who works there.

"It's a big issue," Ms. Nelson said. "Liberty's supposed to have a fire, not a cross."

Elena Martinez, a loan officer visiting Memphis from Houston, said her family was speechless at the sight.

"The Statue of Liberty has a different meaning for the country," Ms. Martinez said. "It doesn't need to be used in a religious sense."

At the pizza place next door, Amanda Houston pronounced the combination of the Statue of Liberty and Christianity "ridiculous," though her co-worker Landon Condit was far less critical: "I can't see anything wrong with it. This is the Bible Belt."

The Statue of Liberation Through Christ, as she is called, stands 72 feet tall from the base of her pedestal to the tip of her cross. She was the idea of Mr. Williams, a very successful pastor whose church, World Overcomers, qualifies as mega: it has a school, a bowling alley, a roller rink, a bookstore and, he said, 12,000 members.

The pastor is not shy. His church has bought full-page advertisements in The Commercial Appeal, the Memphis daily, condemning homosexuality. At the World Overcomers' previous location, neighbors complained that trees were felled unnecessarily; Mr. Williams said it had to be done so that people could see the church from the road.

The statue, inspired by a Memphis church that has three giant crosses, strikes him as "a creative means of just really letting people know that God is the foundation of our nation," he said.

Mr. Williams has written several books and pamphlets analyzing a variety of matters, among them patriotism and the original intent of the founding fathers.

In "The Meaning of the Statue of Liberation Through Christ: Reconnecting Patriotism With Christianity," he explains that the teardrop on his Lady is God's response to what he calls the nation's ills, including legalized abortion, a lack of prayer in schools and the country's "promotion of expressions of New Age, Wicca, secularism and humanism." In another book, he said Hurricane Katrina was retribution for New Orleans's embrace of sin.

Mr. Williams said his statue's essential point was that Christianity should be the guiding ethos of the nation. But because the church he leads is predominantly black, as is he, there is an added dimension to the message.

In "From Slavery to Lady Liberty: Lady Liberty's African Connection: The Key to Black America's Liberation," he pointed out that the real Statue of Liberty wears a broken shackle around one ankle, and revisited evidence that the statue, a gift from France, was originally intended not to welcome immigrants but to celebrate the emancipation of slaves.

"Many blacks are not patriotic, and they are not patriotic because of the history of our nation," Mr. Williams said in an interview at the church, in the richly appointed sitting room he uses to receive visitors. "It's good for our people to know that the nation has something for them as well."

To critics who say there are better ways to spend $260,000, Mr. Williams responds that his church gives millions to the needy and says he views the statue as outreach: "I personally feel that the answer for the poor is Jesus Christ."

To celebrate the Fourth of July, a good crowd gathered on the church grounds for free hamburgers and grape soda, carnival rides, a barbecue cook-off and entertainment. Children ate sno-cones, and a small army of volunteers and members of the staff darted around on bicycles and golf carts, dressed in white polo shirts. But the main event was the unveiling, preceded by speeches, prayers and consecrations.

"I decree the spirit of conviction on this intersection," Mr. Williams boomed from a podium decorated with red, white and blue bunting. "This statue proves that Jesus Christ is Lord over America, he is Lord over Tennessee, he is Lord over Memphis."

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/07/04/us/05liberty.large1.jpg


They're against burning the flag, but they're OK with desecrating the Statue of Liberty with crosses :rolleyes:



Josh
Jul 6, 2006, 10:54 AM
They're against burning the flag, but they're OK with desecrating the Statue of Liberty with crosses :rolleyes:

...or desecrating crosses with the Statue of Liberty.

Queso
Jul 6, 2006, 10:55 AM
And you Americans wonder why we Europeans laugh at you so much? That's such a naff thing to do, even chavvy when you think about it :D

dornoforpyros
Jul 6, 2006, 10:56 AM
wow...$260,000 for that...

To critics who say there are better ways to spend $260,000, Mr. Williams responds that his church gives millions to the needy and says he views the statue as outreach: "I personally feel that the answer for the poor is Jesus Christ."


Well Jesus don't pay the rent (well maybe this this guy it does) and Jesus doesn't stop muggings, rapes, starvation and death on the streets. But yeah, spending all that money on a mash up with the statue of liberty, that'll help.

Reminds me of that episode of the simpsons when Mr.Burns financed the church after homer/bart burnt the old one down.

Chundles
Jul 6, 2006, 11:04 AM
What is it with religion and a general lack of good taste?

Ben Folds said it well, in his quiet little song about Jesus returning to earth in the USA and finding a place that's cashing in on everything he did (or didn't) do but can't recognise him when they see him.

That statue is the final representation that religion has succumbed to total hypocrisy.

And ya know what? There'll probably be something worse to whinge about next week on the same subject. What a depressing time it is...:rolleyes:

Black&Tan
Jul 6, 2006, 11:38 AM
Wow. I just don't know what to say. That is so...inappropriate. Where do we draw the line? I'm all for celebrating one's faith, but this is just offensive.

someguy
Jul 6, 2006, 11:42 AM
In another book, he said Hurricane Katrina was retribution for New Orleans's embrace of sin.
So, when will Las Vegas be destroyed by God?

Thomas Veil
Jul 6, 2006, 11:47 AM
The statue, inspired by a Memphis church that has three giant crosses, strikes him as "a creative means of just really letting people know that God is the foundation of our nation," he said.For cryin' out loud, God is not the foundation of our nation. Get that through your thick ****ing heads already!!

And people wonder why the rest of us think of religious types as brainwashed fanatics??

As for this...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/07/04/us/05liberty.large1.jpg

...that's just creepy.

Might at least be funny if someone erected a statue of Dracula facing it.

mactastic
Jul 6, 2006, 11:50 AM
So how many of our brave Senators will stand up and defend the desecration of our Lady Liberty with a constitutional amendment?

I wonder if that's because the one who voted for and supported the flag-burning amendment weren't motivated so much by reverence for the flag as by reverence for reelection...

Black&Tan
Jul 6, 2006, 12:03 PM
...and yet the 10 Commandments are being removed from courthouses???

treblah
Jul 6, 2006, 12:12 PM
Ben Folds said it well, in his quiet little song about Jesus returning to earth in the USA and finding a place that's cashing in on everything he did (or didn't) do but can't recognise him when they see him.

You are thinking of 'Jesusland' from Songs for Silverman. Ben Folds is a genius. :)

zimv20
Jul 6, 2006, 12:26 PM
the article did not prepare me for how garish the thing is. it looks like something satirical, straight out of the simpsons, maybe.

but -- i'll protect that guy's right to build ugly statues. as for protection from his membership, he's on his own.

Motley
Jul 6, 2006, 12:36 PM
How gaudy.

Personally I think a big "Buddy Christ" statue would have looked better.

CorvusCamenarum
Jul 6, 2006, 01:25 PM
This just in - America is *not* God's country of choice. I'm not sure which irritates me more - the Southern Baptist culture in which I had to grow up, or the loons who act like America is their religion and give real Christians a bad name.

atszyman
Jul 6, 2006, 01:27 PM
They're against burning the flag, but they're OK with desecrating the Statue of Liberty with crosses :rolleyes:

No, no, no...

It's only desecration if you don't agree with the statement (just like activist judges).

If I were to super impose a cross on the flag with the field of stars replaced by the tablets for the Ten Commandments, that would be fine. If George Bush signs my flag, that's fine.

But if I burn the same flag that's desecration... Or if I let John Kerry sign it...

vniow
Jul 6, 2006, 01:38 PM
Can't we here in California secede or something? Or are we stuck in the same country as these people for good?

mactastic
Jul 6, 2006, 01:57 PM
...and yet the 10 Commandments are being removed from courthouses???
Huh? Public versus private. Totally different issue.

This guy has every right to do this on his private property as long as he's not violating any city ordinances by doing so. I don't care if this sits there forever personally.

I do find it ironic that our government would see fit to try to pass a constitutional amendment against flag burning, but will ignore the rampant instances of Statue of Liberty desecration since it's not good politics to go after the Christians in this country.

And I do find it interesting that none of our supposedly 'far left' members have called for this guy to leave 'our country' yet we've had righties make that argument when the flag was burned. And that makes who "angrier"?

count chocula
Jul 6, 2006, 02:01 PM
And you Americans wonder why we Europeans laugh at you so much? That's such a naff thing to do, even chavvy when you think about it :D
i dont wonder. our president is a monkey, people do stupid stuff like this, etc. i would be laughing too if i were in your shoes. :o

Ugg
Jul 6, 2006, 02:01 PM
Does anyone remember Robert Mapplethorpe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mapplethorpe) and his cross in a pot of urine? There are plenty of other examples of artists who've taken "liberties" with icons.

Here is a mock statue of Liberty in Greifswald, Germany. gw will be just a few kilometers away from it when he goes to visit Angie.

http://www.deutsche-welle.de/image/0,,2061980_4,00.jpg

Is this one any better than the one in TN?

Queso
Jul 6, 2006, 02:03 PM
Here is a mock statue of Liberty in Greifswald, Germany. gw will be just a few kilometers away from it when he goes to visit Angie.

IMG

Is this one any better than the one in TN?
That is just hilarious!!! Who says Germans don't have a sense of humour?

:D :D :D

zimv20
Jul 6, 2006, 02:20 PM
Does anyone remember Robert Mapplethorpe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mapplethorpe) and his cross in a pot of urine?
that was Piss Christ, by Andres Serrano.

dornoforpyros
Jul 6, 2006, 02:20 PM
Can't we here in California secede or something? Or are we stuck in the same country as these people for good?


Come to Canada! We've got it all! Gay Marriages (well for now), Semi-Legal pot, our phones aren't tapped, and we don't carry guns!

scem0
Jul 6, 2006, 02:23 PM
wow that is hideous. Something makes me want to drape it with a robe of flowers. :D

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cslewis
Jul 6, 2006, 08:07 PM
I feel that they're both disgusting. The middle-finger one bothers me more, though... It's an insult to immigrants, to the French, to New York City, and to every American citizen whose family immigrated. What lovely Germans. :)

skunk
Jul 6, 2006, 08:24 PM
I feel that they're both disgusting. The middle-finger one bothers me more, though... It's an insult to immigrants, to the French, to New York City, and to every American citizen whose family immigrated. What lovely Germans. :)It's not an insult to anyone who knows that laurels are not for resting on.

Ugg
Jul 6, 2006, 09:45 PM
I feel that they're both disgusting. The middle-finger one bothers me more, though... It's an insult to immigrants, to the French, to New York City, and to every American citizen whose family immigrated. What lovely Germans. :)

Get over it. The statue was designed for the musical Hair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(musical)) being staged at the Baltic Theater (http://www.theater-vorpommern.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=seiten&file=index&pagename=hair) in Greifswald. I don't know if the statue was in the original production but Hair sort of took the world by storm with its nudity and desecration of the US flag. It was written by Americans and staged in 1968, in part as a war protest. So, the Germans are therefore insulting the Americans with something the Americans made to insult the Americans.

mischief
Jul 9, 2006, 02:22 PM
If the neocons want to replace the spirit of Liberty with a Cumean Sibyl lofting Sol Invictus and bearing the "Thou Shalt Not Violate, Dummys Edition", So Be It. They can put as many symbols-beyond-their-comprehension out there as they want, I'll just laugh all the harder.

tristan
Jul 9, 2006, 04:40 PM
This is the statue of liberty's twin sister - the statue of scary fundamentalism.

XNine
Jul 9, 2006, 05:10 PM
burn that ****ing thing to the ground. Though that one statue does have nice breasts...

solvs
Jul 10, 2006, 01:16 AM
burn that ****ing thing to the ground.
So they can claim further persecution? I don't think so. Better just to ridicule. Just because it's stupid and completely against what she stands for, doesn't mean it isn't protected free speech. It is stupid though. God has no place in politics. Especially their version of God.

Superdrive
Jul 10, 2006, 02:11 AM
They should have gone with plan B.

Thomas Veil
Jul 10, 2006, 07:00 AM
"Oh my god...they finally did it. You maniacs! Damn you! God damn you all to Hell!"

skunk
Jul 10, 2006, 07:06 AM
Nice.

:D