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leekohler
Jul 10, 2006, 09:56 PM
They'll stop at nothing. This is beyond scary.

http://my.earthlink.net/article/pol?guid=20060710/44b1d0c0_3421_1334520060710-572558310

BOSTON - The same court that made Massachusetts the first U.S. state to legalize same-sex marriage ruled that a proposal for a constitutional amendment that could ban future gay marriages can move forward.

The ruling came Monday on a lawsuit brought by gay-rights supporters who argued that Attorney General Tom Reilly was wrong to certify the question because the state's constitution bars any citizen-initiated amendment that seeks to reverse a judicial ruling.

The Supreme Judicial Court rejected that argument, paving the way for the state Legislature to take up the question during a constitutional convention Wednesday. The question would have to be approved by two consecutive legislative sessions before it could be placed on the 2008 ballot. Supporters need to win the votes of 50 lawmakers - 25 percent of the Legislature - in both sessions.

The same court, in a landmark 2003 ruling, cleared the way for same-sex marriages to begin in Massachusetts in May 2004. More than 8,000 gay and lesbian couples have married.

The Legislature has been grappling with same-sex marriage ever since, balancing the views of people who believe marriage should be limited to the one-man, one-woman definition; those who believe gays and lesbians should be allowed to have civil unions but not marriages; and those who believe all couples should be allowed to marry regardless of sexual orientation.

In its ruling Monday, the high court said the proposed amendment - which would restrict marriage to between one man and one woman - is not a reversal of its earlier ruling legalizing gay marriage, because it would leave intact the marriages of same-sex couples who already had wed.

"The underlying substantive law is simply changed to reflect the present intentions of the people, and that new law will be applied thereafter in any subsequent case or cases," the court said in its unanimous ruling.

But Justice John M. Greaney, in a concurring opinion, warned that approving the amendment would clearly be discriminatory because it would remove the rights of same-sex couples to receive the legal, social and financial benefits of marriage.

"The only effect of a positive vote will be to make same-sex couples, and their families, unequal to everyone else; this is discrimination in its rawest form," Greaney wrote.

Lee Swislow, executive director of Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, which filed the lawsuit, said the fight is not over.

"So now, obviously, the focus is going to turn to the Legislature, which has a chance on Wednesday during the constitutional convention to do the right thing and defeat this amendment," she said.

Supporters of the amendment predicted they will have enough votes to win the first round of approval from the Legislature: "We are comfortably in excess of 50 votes," said Kris Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

Also on Monday, a California appeals court heard arguments over whether that state's ban on same-sex marriage should be upheld. The state is appealing a San Francisco judge's decision last year that cleared the way for California to follow Massachusetts in allowing same-sex couples to wed. Gay nuptials have been put on hold pending the appeal.

The three-judge panel has 90 days to issue a ruling, but any decision is expected to be appealed to the California Supreme Court.



scem0
Jul 10, 2006, 10:05 PM
In its ruling Monday, the high court said the proposed amendment - which would restrict marriage to between one man and one woman - is not a reversal of its earlier ruling legalizing gay marriage, because it would leave intact the marriages of same-sex couples who already had wed.

That pisses me off. It's a ****ing reversal.

Ugh, it'll never end :(.

e

leekohler
Jul 10, 2006, 10:09 PM
In its ruling Monday, the high court said the proposed amendment - which would restrict marriage to between one man and one woman - is not a reversal of its earlier ruling legalizing gay marriage, because it would leave intact the marriages of same-sex couples who already had wed.

That pisses me off. It's a ****ing reversal.

Ugh, it'll never end :(.

e

Of course not. The fundies won't rest until we're put in concentration camps or "cured". They hate us.

scem0
Jul 10, 2006, 10:12 PM
No they "love" us and know what's better for us than we do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let's go to Canada :).

e

leekohler
Jul 10, 2006, 10:14 PM
No they "love" us and know what's better for us than we do. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let's go to Canada :).

e

Oh Canada! :) Sounds good to me.

scem0
Jul 10, 2006, 10:20 PM
*packs bags*

but seriously, this is major ********. Homos could marry, now they can't. That's a reversal of a judicial ruling. And the "state's constitution bars any citizen-initiated amendment that seeks to reverse a judicial ruling." :mad:

e

Danksi
Jul 10, 2006, 11:27 PM
Oh Canada! :) Sounds good to me.

Nothing to see here....

leekohler
Jul 10, 2006, 11:53 PM
Nothing to see here....

And what makes you say that? Do you really think that gay marriage in Massachusetts is safe or do you just not care?

Danksi
Jul 10, 2006, 11:57 PM
And what makes you say that? Do you really think that gay marriage in Massachusetts is safe or do you just not care?

Nothing to see here - in Canada. (kidding)

leekohler
Jul 10, 2006, 11:58 PM
Nothing to see here - in Canada. (kidding)

Ha! Definitely don't downplay your country. I've been there a few times and I think it's beautiful.

Danksi
Jul 11, 2006, 12:00 AM
Ha! Definitely don't downplay your country. I've been there a few times and I think it's beautiful.

Exactly, don't tell everyone, they'll ALL want to come live here... just come visit and spend lots of money ;)

solvs
Jul 11, 2006, 01:32 AM
A quick Google search on gay marriage shows that it, and things like immigration and other pet projects of the fundies, are starting to loose steam already. They just aren't polling as high as they used to. People have other, more important things on their minds and just don't care enough about things that don't have anything to do with them. There's still an alarmingly high amount of people who are against it, but a surprising majority that don't want our elected officials wasting their time making new laws against it. Or ruining the Constitution with new Amendments. Just like the flag burning thing.

Not saying everyone is suddenly going to become all tolerant and stuff, but the pendulum is swinging back the other direction. They went too far, now comes the backlash. It's just taking a lot longer than some of us wanted it to. Which is a bit depressing.

eva01
Jul 11, 2006, 08:46 AM
I will register to vote just for this one vote in 08 if it comes to that.

And i will make sure i get as many people as possible to vote for gay marriages

scem0
Jul 11, 2006, 08:53 AM
Thank You.

I think the backlash if this were to pass would be stunning. The state of Massachusetts would be flooded with letters from angry homos.

e

codo
Jul 11, 2006, 09:05 AM
Do you have an equivalent to the "civil union" they introduced here in the UK last year? It's basically a marriage in everything but name, wouldn’t want to upset the church elders, would we?

So like, a civil union gives a gay couple all the same legal rights as a straight married couple, its just not performed as a "marriage" service. Do you already have this? And the argument is whether or not gay couples can get it recognised as a religiously binding marriage, or is this argument over just legal rights as a couple?

If its legal thing - Isn’t it part of the American constitution that people can’t be unfairly discriminated etc? How can it just be "over looked" when the government find it convenient? It just doesn’t make sense. Homophobia should have disappeared with slavery.

eva01
Jul 11, 2006, 09:09 AM
Thank You.

I think the backlash if this were to pass would be stunning. The state of Massachusetts would be flooded with letters from angry homos.

e

oh trust me they will be getting angry letters from me as well

I say as many homosexual people as possible move here by 08 to vote in case it gets that far

eva01
Jul 11, 2006, 09:29 AM
Well I just fired off a letter to our lovely attorney General

Queso
Jul 11, 2006, 10:41 AM
Do you have an equivalent to the "civil union" they introduced here in the UK last year? It's basically a marriage in everything but name, wouldn’t want to upset the church elders, would we?
They don't in the US, because the Religious Right still dogmatically believe that being gay is a "lifestyle choice", that if you have an attraction to someone of the same sex it is Satan testing you, and that every gay person who doesn't spend their life lying to themselves and everyone around them just to fit in should do the decent thing for society and go swing from a tree.

All together now :-

"O say can you see, by the dawn's early light..."

scem0
Jul 11, 2006, 10:49 AM
Do you have an equivalent to the "civil union" they introduced here in the UK last year? It's basically a marriage in everything but name, wouldn’t want to upset the church elders, would we?


some states have civil unions but they are ********. They don't give the same rights as marriage gives. They are just a very pitiful form of appeasement here in the states.

e

leekohler
Jul 11, 2006, 11:13 AM
Do you have an equivalent to the "civil union" they introduced here in the UK last year? It's basically a marriage in everything but name, wouldn’t want to upset the church elders, would we?

So like, a civil union gives a gay couple all the same legal rights as a straight married couple, its just not performed as a "marriage" service. Do you already have this? And the argument is whether or not gay couples can get it recognised as a religiously binding marriage, or is this argument over just legal rights as a couple?

If its legal thing - Isn’t it part of the American constitution that people can’t be unfairly discriminated etc? How can it just be "over looked" when the government find it convenient? It just doesn’t make sense. Homophobia should have disappeared with slavery.

You have a lot to learn about the US. Religious nutcases have most of the power here. And yes, the Constitution is overlooked when convenient.

Josh
Jul 11, 2006, 11:15 AM
I'm going to Mass. (Boston) Saturday.

If you hear of naked construction workers burning flags....it wasn't me :p

(I'll be the cowboy)

mactastic
Jul 11, 2006, 03:45 PM
Damn activist judges...