Who Says that OS X Doesn't crash?

[awulf]

OS X crashes a lot for me especially on my home computer, I usually get the Beach Ball spinning for ever and nothing works except for moving around the curser. At home I can sometimes recover my computer from another unix machine through SSH but that doesn't always work. Sometimes my computers HD does some hard-work, and then the computer just Logs out.

In these cases the computer didn't 'Crash' but if you loose your work do to it logging out automatically or bringing up the Beach Ball of Death, I would call these cases a Crash.

Maybe I am just cursed.

OS X computers that I have crashed: PM 466 (10.2), iMac G3 600 (Graphite)(10.2), eMac 800 (10.2), iMac DV 400 (10.1), iMac SE 600 (Snow)(10.1)

[howard]

i've had programs crash on me a few times for whatever reason. os x hasn't fully crashed on me that much...actually only a few times and it was because of some weird thing it had going with a usb hub. so i stopped using it. os x DOES crash, just very rarely, at least for me.

[mac15]

I've never had X crash on me for the hell of it, never ever had, I've had crashes due to bum drivers with hardware.

So for me X has never died in its own

[MacBandit]

Sounds like it must be related to something you are installing or using.

I have never had the problems that you are noting.

[.a]

i use os x everyday for one year - crashed about 6 times - 4 times because of usb/bluetooth adapter - the other two times i really do not know - and twice there was no mousecursor on the screen visible (really strange, i relaunched the finder (really tricky one without seeing your mousecursor!) but that did not help) so i had to restart...

in the end: os x is very stable - os 9 crashed everyday (...) and last week i sat in front of windows 98 and wanted to switch the screen resolution, and guess what: it crashed! :)

lang lebe os x! :)

.a

[sageenos]

I've had about two series of crashes since I got my powerbook...the computer would totally lock up, so I would reboot, work for a couple minutes, then it would happen again. I just shut my computer down for a few minutes before I booted again and it worked fine.

[Stike]

My OS 10.2 crashes (we are talking kernel panic here) only every few months, and only during heavy load and many open apps that are not really secure. (alpha, beta, whatdaheck)

The last crash was new year, the crash before was August...

[e-coli]

Jaguar has never crashed on me even once. I'd say you have a hardware problem.

[tylerellwood]

I get kernal panics every once in a while, mainly because of FCP trying to gain camera control from my miniDV.

[swampdonky]

It's funny, but not haha funny - when you get your new superfast dual G4 plug it in and starts making that kinda clunky sound - the beach ball starts spinnning as you try to copy your files to the hard drive and it stalls - not just for seconds, but minutes! It's not funny when you waste all day trying to resolve this issue with the vendor and apple and have to send the shiny new superfast dual g4 back to where it came from.:mad:

[Mr. MacPhisto]

I've been running on an iBook 700 with Combo for six months on Jaguar and have never had a crash. Programs have failed, and it has sometimes seemed like the OS would crash. I'd hit CMD-OPT-ESC and nothing would come up, but if I waited 20-30 seconds, the force quit dialogue would appear and I'd just kill the problem program.

I've also tried to kill OS X through the terminal by hogging up the memory and giving the interface very, very little to work with (we're talking in the low Ks, below 128). I've managed to crash linux a couple of times doing this, but the three times I've done it in X, I've been able to force quite the terminal to stop the problem. Granted, it did take over 5 minutes for force quit to come up, but it still did come up and the machine didn't crash. If you manage your computer properly and don't load it up with bad programs, then X should stay pretty solid.

It's working even better now that I've upgraded from 256 MB to 640 MB. Before it did have some problems running my Spiderman game properly, but now everything works quite well, included VPC - at least as well as can be expected.

[gerror]

In the beginning had a few crashes with my flatpanel. But since I'm using 10.23 and now 10.24 I think I didn't had one

[Pedro Estarque]

My only crash in this machine ( iMac G3 600) was last year running VPC 6, Photoshop ( 90 % RAM allocation) and AfterEffects at the same time. VPC is very buggy in my opinion. It has corrupted my image drive and I have to forcequit it periodically. Only use it for Kazaa.

[whooleytoo]

I performed an upgrade-install of 10.2 on a G3/350 and it was extremely unstable, several kernel panics, spinning pizzas etc..

On a clean install on a new 17" iMac, I've only had a couple of issues; if you leave some volumes (especially Samba volumes) mounted for a long time, it can bring the system to it's knees so you have to hard-reboot or power down & up. (Apple is aware of this problem, but I've no idea when a fix is due).

I've noticed twice recently too, my screensaver has frozen when I came back to my machine. Tried all the various escape routes, but eventually had to reboot. On the second occasion, I just left the machine in the 'frozen' state for 5 minutes, and the screensaver eventually just resumed by itself.. weird..

Mike.

[sparkleytone]

i just had to reboot for the first time in 21 days. My iBook 600 runs supremely stable in OS X. The only reason I even rebooted was because a badly scratched cd was locking the system and i didnt have time to wait for it. I needed to study, so I rebooted.

[awulf]

My user interface crashed twice today. First in the morning the Computers HD was spinning like mad and the Beach ball was spinning and everything else was frozen (time, dock, everything) but I could move that beach ball around. So I pushed the reset button. And again tonight I launched MS Word and then word got stuck on the splash screen, and as I clicked to the dock to force quit, the Dock crashed, the same happened as I clicked to any other app. iTunes kept playing until the song finished and didn't go onto the next one. I SSHed my computer from my dads and killed a whole heap of apps, including window manager etc. The computer logged out but got stuck in the blue back ground (still with the beach ball), in the SSH terminal I could see the computer opening up Login. After not succeeding to recover the machine I typed reboot.

I don't mind if this happens once in a while but, it crashes too many times for a UNIX based OS. (almost as bad as OS 9).

I have noticed my HD having some difficulties, like making some scratching sounds when trying to access a certain part of the disk (which was some where where prefs were kept because I lost some) The HD now only scratches when I run a surface scan and then Drive 10 tells me the media failed and I need to back up and reformat my HD and do the surface scan again.

Could it be corrupt OS creating these problems?

I've done a Hardware check with the 'Apple Hardware Test' CD not too long ago, I might just try it again.

[Raiden]

Ive had only 1 crash, in 10.1. Too bad it destroyed my harddrive. :(

And we believe someone, and not something, engineered the whole thing, so it wasnt the OS's fault. (conspiracy!)

[jaguarx]

Nevert had a crach on my powerbook. Ever. Even compared to win2k which is considered pretty danr stable, OSX seems damn stable to me.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I have been using X for 2 years and yes i have had crashes but never the whole OS. just the app running at the time. Usaully this is with a lot going on at the same time. I have found OSX to be the best OS i have ever used and think its Great. Those with crashes should make sure they are running newest version of their software apps and have Lots of good clean memory. OsX loves memory and with lots of it osX will love you. Just my nickels worth.

[iPegboy]

Only a couple of applications have gone down, but it's been since last May and my iBook 600 combo has not crashed.

[macmax]

even when my system was not well installed ,10.2.4 fixed my crashes.
the tech that installed jag,a friend of mine stopped the process in the middle and then started it again, i was out of town and he never told me, i wonder how it worked.

now it works perfect thou i will reinstall it next week

[Taft]

Originally posted by awulf
My user interface crashed twice today. First in the morning the Computers HD was spinning like mad and the Beach ball was spinning and everything else was frozen (time, dock, everything) but I could move that beach ball around. So I pushed the reset button. And again tonight I launched MS Word and then word got stuck on the splash screen, and as I clicked to the dock to force quit, the Dock crashed, the same happened as I clicked to any other app. iTunes kept playing until the song finished and didn't go onto the next one. I SSHed my computer from my dads and killed a whole heap of apps, including window manager etc. The computer logged out but got stuck in the blue back ground (still with the beach ball), in the SSH terminal I could see the computer opening up Login. After not succeeding to recover the machine I typed reboot.

I don't mind if this happens once in a while but, it crashes too many times for a UNIX based OS. (almost as bad as OS 9).

I have noticed my HD having some difficulties, like making some scratching sounds when trying to access a certain part of the disk (which was some where where prefs were kept because I lost some) The HD now only scratches when I run a surface scan and then Drive 10 tells me the media failed and I need to back up and reformat my HD and do the surface scan again.

Could it be corrupt OS creating these problems?

I've done a Hardware check with the 'Apple Hardware Test' CD not too long ago, I might just try it again.

It sounds like you have a serious harddisk problem. Hard disks shouldn't make scraping or scratching noises.

You should look into geting it repaired (ie. gettting the drive replaced). Also, for the short term, you should try starting in single-user mode and running fsck. This probably won't do squat because you've already used Drive 10, but you could try it.

Taft

[jkojima]

I used to get kernel panics several times a day on my new PB 867 Titanium. Nothing, including a complete wipe of the hard drive and reinstallation of the OS, would fix the problem. Then I pulled the generic brand 512MB RAM module I added to the system. It has been a week now with no crashes.

I guess the moral of this story is that hardware can be the root of some problems.

The secondary moral is that I made a dumb purchase and should have gone with name brand memory for my Apple. From now on, it gets only the best! :-)

[DakotaGuy]

I have NEVER had my iBook crash in any version of OSX and I never seem to have to force quit any programs on it. It has been amazing! I use it everyday at my desk when I teach and take it with me other places. It is the most stable computer I have ever used.

My iMac DV has been running fine with OSX well over a year. In over a year of running it I have had two kernel panics. One in OSX 10.1 which was really nasty and scrolled all this stuff over my screen which was really scarry. And just a couple of days ago while running several programs including a file sharing client, OS 10.2 went down hard, dimming the screen and giving me the restart now prompt. I don't think anything is wrong. 2 crashes in 15 months of running OSX is not bad.

[Chrisnorth]

I waited for Jaguar before upgrading to OSX and for the most part I've been very pleased. There is absolutely no doubt that OSX is a much more robust and capable operating system. Being able to access UNIX shell commands and functionality is also a bonus. However, when you read marketing hype about a crash free operating system, you just have to smell sulphur. I've never heard of a crash free OS, and I'm not sure that it's possible.

I think the English language has been twisted somewhat to make the claim, and in my opinion a kernel Panic or a system crash are effectively the same. Also, a complete GUI crash, which seems more common than kernel panics, is still a crash if it leaves the user in a position where a reboot is required.

I'd like to see Apple impliment a keystoke combination like Window's cmnd+alt+delete that would bring up a some kind of task manager to address anything short of a kernel panic. This would include a Windowing system crash. If this already exists within OSX, can someone elaborate on it?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Chrisnorth
I waited for Jaguar before upgrading to OSX and for the most part I've been very pleased. There is absolutely no doubt that OSX is a much more robust and capable operating system. Being able to access UNIX shell commands and functionality is also a bonus. However, when you read marketing hype about a crash free operating system, you just have to smell sulphur. I've never heard of a crash free OS, and I'm not sure that it's possible.

I think the English language has been twisted somewhat to make the claim, and in my opinion a kernel Panic or a system crash are effectively the same. Also, a complete GUI crash, which seems more common than kernel panics, is still a crash if it leaves the user in a position where a reboot is required.

I'd like to see Apple impliment a keystoke combination like Window's cmnd+alt+delete that would bring up a some kind of task manager to address anything short of a kernel panic. This would include a Windowing system crash. If this already exists within OSX, can someone elaborate on it?

I've been running 10.2 since the day it was released and on only one occasion has the system crashed in such a way that it required a reboot. The only problems I ever have are with poorly written apps. Those same apps in 9 would force me to reboot at least once a day but not in X.

[Chrisnorth]

Originally posted by MacBandit
I've been running 10.2 since the day it was released and on only one occasion has the system crashed in such a way that it required a reboot. The only problems I ever have are with poorly written apps. Those same apps in 9 would force me to reboot at least once a day but not in X.

I suppose that I should qualify my remarks by adding that OSX has been generally quite stable on my iMac. I've had approximately three kernel panics and maybe five GUI failures since installing the OS, so less than ten forced reboots. Of course, all have been caused by badly bahaving apps, but what's an operating system without an app? Most operating systems will beahave flawlessly if you don't use any applications...

[janey]

nobody ever said that os x doesn't crash people just say it's stable, very stable.
In one year with a Power Mac:
3 kernel panics and several forced reboots which were mainly done on purpose by me and my having too much fun tinkering with the OS and writing fun software
In one year with Windows 98:
Too many BSOD's to count, sometimes because i right clicked a folder :rolleyes:
In one year with Windows 2k and XP:
Constant crashing and formatting of hard drives.
Now tell me which operating system is better :rolleyes: :) ;) :p

[scem0]

if OS X is crashing often, then you've got a problem. OS X has
crashed twice for me out of all the years I've been using it.

[saabmp3]

Originally posted by Chrisnorth
I'd like to see Apple impliment a keystoke combination like Window's cmnd+alt+delete that would bring up a some kind of task manager to address anything short of a kernel panic. This would include a Windowing system crash. If this already exists within OSX, can someone elaborate on it?

Command + Option + Escape. Try it out, I think that's your command alt delete right there.

BEN

[scem0]

Originally posted by saabmp3
Command + Option + Escape. Try it out, I think that's your command alt delete right there.

BEN

if any problems are encountered in OS X this will fix 99% of them.
The other 1% you will have to restart for. That is why most people
have restarted their Macs (Running OS X) because of errors.

[stromie952]

I have had similar experiences to most here with very good stability and very few reboots. Except for a faulty 256MB RAM stick I had in my iBook, it causes innumerable kernal panics during reboot. Like others have said, only buy name brand RAM like Crucial or Kingston etc.

The only other crashes I have had were resulting from SMB shared drives. They occasionally brought down the system, but other than that it has been remarkably good

[Datazoid]

Originally posted by Chrisnorth
I'd like to see Apple impliment a keystoke combination like Window's cmnd+alt+delete that would bring up a some kind of task manager to address anything short of a kernel panic. This would include a Windowing system crash.

Search on http://www.versiontracker.com for a program called escapepod, this gives you ctrl-alt-delete (backspace button, not the delete under the help button), as well as shift-ctrl-alt-delete to kill the dock and command-ctrl-alt-delete to force-logout. These commands all kill programs automatically, without the need for GUI response.

I was having similar problems to the original poster with my 17" iMac until I got more RAM (upgraded from 256 to 768), at which point the random lockups ceased. I would highly suggest a RAM upgrade if this has not been done already. But, for the occasional unpreventable interface lockups, I have found escapepod indispensible.

[Computer_Phreak]

to the person with grinding and scratching sounds from your HD:

backup all your files ASAP and either purchase a new hard drive or get the one you have replaced if its under warranty. That, and not OS X, is your crashing problem.

[Chrisnorth]

Originally posted by übergeek
nobody ever said that os x doesn't crash people just say it's stable, very stable.
In one year with a Power Mac:
3 kernel panics and several forced reboots which were mainly done on purpose by me and my having too much fun tinkering with the OS and writing fun software
In one year with Windows 98:
Too many BSOD's to count, sometimes because i right clicked a folder :rolleyes:
In one year with Windows 2k and XP:
Constant crashing and formatting of hard drives.
Now tell me which operating system is better

I wouldn't suggest that Windows is even in the same league as OSX. Frankly, I wouldn't trade my Mac for weeks of reformatting recalcitrant PC's without some mighty fine enducements. Like you,übergeek , the crashes that I have experienced have been caused by my own exerimentation with untried apps. For the most part OSX has been very stable and enjoyable to use.

Oh, and describing the ocasional kernel panic is a much greater pleasure that ranting about the many anoyances on your average Windows macine!:)

Also, thanks to Saabmp3, scem0, and Datazoid for your suggestions.

[tjwett]

i get crashes all the time, mostly beachball hangups that never end. the best thing about OS X is that Force Quit actually works, as long as it's not the Finder that's hung up. if the Finder is stuck i usually have to do a forced restart. i fix permissions all the time and keep my HD very "clean". the weirdest one i get is when ever i try to shut down, all it does is go back to the Log In screen and i have no USB activity at all, so no mouse either, and i then have to force power down. i haven't had a normal shut down since installing Jaguar. it even happens when i'm just running any old application too. just a crash and straight back to the Log In screen. it's a drag.

[mmmdreg]

I've had one kernel panic in my life...and never apart from that has the computer totally locked up..

[tjwett]

Originally posted by tjwett
i get crashes all the time, mostly beachball hangups that never end. the best thing about OS X is that Force Quit actually works, as long as it's not the Finder that's hung up. if the Finder is stuck i usually have to do a forced restart. i fix permissions all the time and keep my HD very "clean". the weirdest one i get is when ever i try to shut down, all it does is go back to the Log In screen and i have no USB activity at all, so no mouse either, and i then have to force power down. i haven't had a normal shut down since installing Jaguar. it even happens when i'm just running any old application too. just a crash and straight back to the Log In screen. it's a drag. i also get apps crashing left and right, althoguh i haven't had a visible kernal panic in a while like in 10.1

[tjwett]

oops, sorry about the above. i meant to edit my original post. tried to delete it but it wouldn't let me. my bad...

[KingArthur]

Hmmmmm, well, since I have started using WinXP on my laptop (upgraded from 2000 which crashed on me all the time), well, the only major crash was my own fault. I accidently removed the CD-RW drive instead of the battery, and that brings up the blue screen of death. Oh, wait, I have done one other thing to make it crash (also my fault), well I got really angry with it b/c although the computer was connected to the net, none of my programs including IE recognized that I was connected, so I got really angry b/c I had to do something important on it, and I threw the laptop on the couch and punched it;) Not somthing to do to a laptop. It survived, though, but it brought up the blue screen of death (which is to be understood). Other than that, the biggest problem I have had with WinXP is that, although the whole system doesn't go down, certain features randomly go down, and I have to restart the computer to get them back. That is REALLY annoying. Also, if you do have to do a forced restart, the computer is horrible at having corrupted system files on the HD and that screws things up until you can fix them.

All in all, I am impressed with XP compaired to what I expected from MS. I still would rather have a Mac any ol' day! Currently, I want to restart b/c the scroll feature of the track-pad has stopped working, but I am downloading stuff via WinMX and don't want to have to find sources all over again;). My syste has been up for two and a half days straight, and I have had problems with the modem and this. Ugh. XP annoys me

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by tjwett
i get crashes all the time, mostly beachball hangups that never end. the best thing about OS X is that Force Quit actually works, as long as it's not the Finder that's hung up. if the Finder is stuck i usually have to do a forced restart. i fix permissions all the time and keep my HD very "clean". the weirdest one i get is when ever i try to shut down, all it does is go back to the Log In screen and i have no USB activity at all, so no mouse either, and i then have to force power down. i haven't had a normal shut down since installing Jaguar. it even happens when i'm just running any old application too. just a crash and straight back to the Log In screen. it's a drag.

Did you do a clean install of 10.2? Do you have any system add-ons or hacks installed? Are you running a supported system?

[tjwett]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Did you do a clean install of 10.2? Do you have any system add-ons or hacks installed? Are you running a supported system?

sure did. jag was installed on a totally clean HD, even erased the binaries and everything. i have no hacks or kracked software at all. all i run is industry standard apps; illustrator, photoshop, final cut, after effects, Logic, quark, mail, and safari. that's pretty much it. maybe text edit once in a while. this is a workstation so i don't run Limewire or anything like that on it. it's a 733 Quicksilver w/1.5 gigs Viking RAM. i've had the hardware checked by a certified Apple tech and everything is in order. i've never had these problems running in 9.2.2 or even 10.1 for that matter. i love jag but it just makes me nervous, i save and backup my work all the time. maybe it's my machine but i will never get rid of it because i need to boot into OS9 all the time. oh well...

[technocoy]

in response to the original post...

it seems to me you are having the most problems with the spinny beach ball...

it also appears that the majority of the systems you are running it on are older.

I work as a graphics and design proffessional doing everything from cleaner and after effects, to photoshop, indesign and flash MX and Director.

My company runs many older machines as well as many brand spanking new ones. My co-worker and i have been running X for about a year and a half now with maybe 6 system crashes total on our main work machines... i love it more every day!

however, i also have noticed that any sub g4 and some earlier g4's are very likely to get the spinny beachball into infinity... just my opinion,
but i would say if you are running OS X on anything earlier than the white LED G4's (or an upgraded machine) you are asking for trouble. (for power users, anyway. I would say this doesn't apply for those who surf and type)

simply put: OS X is the most stable user friendly OS on the market. If you are having problems with it it is from untested software or drivers, or hardware failures.

sorry for the rant!!

Technocoy:D

[VegetaPunk]

I do. LOL
The only times I have had my computer crash in OS X were.

1) in the early versions of OS X just after the beta was released
-It crashed a few time not much though, was still a little buggy at that time

2) when I was beta testing for shadow bane, I couldnt make a charater without it crashing, *shakes fist in shadowBanes direction*:mad:

[mymemory]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Sounds like it must be related to something you are installing or using.

I have never had the problems that you are noting.


Crashes are always because of that my friend, unless you mean trowing your computer of the balcony:D

BTW, OSX crashed on me the first time I was using it, I mean the first hour. That is why I may do the jump where there is no other way.

[trose]

Ive owned OSX for 4 Months and have had 4 system crashes. 2 of which were last night.

It was really frustrating...spinning beachball, but I KNEW that the computer was still working. Force quit didnt bring anything up, and the last folder I clicked was still bouncing. So I forced reboot..and about half hour later it did it again. Argh. I havent installed anything new,maybe was just a fluke.

All in all im very happy with X, and its stability is my favorite factor. 9 was just horrible for crashing....just a usual thing to have to restart multiple times in a week. WindowsXP is good, but not nearly as stable as X. At work Id say the XP machine I use for 3 hours a day crashes 1-2 a month. Compare that to the 4 crashes of X on my Mac I use for 6+ hours a day for 4 months.

[Eckslusive]

the only programs that crash on me is MSN Messenger and MS Office X. WHAT A SURPRISE! They are both Microsoft products. And I'm not lying just so i can pick on them. Its true.
The only time that OS X has crashed for me was when i was connected to a server and the server turned off and then X tried to find it and it couldn't so it just sat there. But after 5 minutes, it went back to normal. Didn't even have to shut it down.

[awulf]

I found ouy my computer crashes once it gets disconnected from Dial-up internet, It's harddisk rattles on very hard the screen freezes, escapepod can'tdo anything, and I can't SSH my computer over the network.

I sometimes leave the computer on over night to download files.
______________
The Hardware test didn't fail, so it has to be the corrupted OS. I have found that a few of my settings have dissapeared (this happend earlier on), The Dock, Address book contacts and some other things that I can't remember.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by awulf
I found ouy my computer crashes once it gets disconnected from Dial-up internet, It's harddisk rattles on very hard the screen freezes, escapepod can'tdo anything, and I can't SSH my computer over the network.

I sometimes leave the computer on over night to download files.
______________
The Hardware test didn't fail, so it has to be the corrupted OS. I have found that a few of my settings have dissapeared (this happend earlier on), The Dock, Address book contacts and some other things that I can't remember.

Have you ever used or installed any Norton Utility product? Also your hard drive should NOT rattle.

[Flynnstone]

I have never had a kernel panic, but I have effectively hung the machine. On a FP iMac, I was running a game and the game hung, but since the game had taken control of the keyboard and screen, there was no way to get control back, so I thought at first. What I did was to enable remote login. Next time I hung the iMac, I logged in from my W2K machine using SSH, found the offending task (using ps), killed it and the iMac was back, no problem and still stable.

I have run into the spinning beachball, with a unresponsive system on my DP PMac 867. It seemed to be due to Retrospect (the backup program). I remote login, and the machine is fine again.

I do have one strange behaviour on my DP PMac. Occasionally my mouse jumps across the screen. I've tried two different mice. The original clear mouse and a three button Logitech scroll mouse.
Any ideas? Not a problem, but somewhat annoying.
:confused:

[Flynnstone]

Is Nortons a blessing or a curse on OS X?

I use Nortons on my Windoze machines. If I didn't I would really be in trouble. Viruses etc.
But it is not without its problems. When you move files around on the windows machine, the norton file checking utility (SVC something) bloats (& bloats & bloats) pretty soon Nortons have locked away a good portion of the physical memory. The simple solution ( the solution to most windoze problems) is a reboot.

[samsflagdrummer]

I can count the number of times that Mac OS X has crashed on one hand. I would have to agree with some of the people here and say that it has to do with hardware/beta software.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Flynnstone
Is Nortons a blessing or a curse on OS X?

I use Nortons on my Windoze machines. If I didn't I would really be in trouble. Viruses etc.
But it is not without its problems. When you move files around on the windows machine, the norton file checking utility (SVC something) bloats (& bloats & bloats) pretty soon Nortons have locked away a good portion of the physical memory. The simple solution ( the solution to most windoze problems) is a reboot.

Norton is an OSX virus. Of course not literally but it has a very similar affect. Norton doesn't give you the option of installing select parts of the package in OSX like it use to in OS9. It makes you install everything including the filesaver and unerase programs. These require the system kernel to be modified and appears to really screw everything up. I had to reformat and reinstall OSX after battling multiple system failures (not crashes simply things wouldn't work). These all started soon after installing Norton. Also Norton has not been rewritten for OSX yet. It has simply been patched to work with OSX without (supposedly) screwing up the file structure and system components. If you know anything about Norton you will know that it was patched to work with OS9 and HSF+ when they came out. So in affect Norton is now a patch upon a patch and in my feelings is not a safe and reliable program to perform any repairs on an OSX system even when avoiding an installation.

[awulf]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Norton is an OSX virus. Of course not literally but it has a very similar affect. Norton doesn't give you the option of installing select parts of the package in OSX like it use to in OS9. It makes you install everything including the filesaver and unerase programs. These require the system kernel to be modified and appears to really screw everything up. I had to reformat and reinstall OSX after battling multiple system failures (not crashes simply things wouldn't work). These all started soon after installing Norton. Also Norton has not been rewritten for OSX yet. It has simply been patched to work with OSX without (supposedly) screwing up the file structure and system components. If you know anything about Norton you will know that it was patched to work with OS9 and HSF+ when they came out. So in affect Norton is now a patch upon a patch and in my feelings is not a safe and reliable program to perform any repairs on an OSX system even when avoiding an installation.


Does that include Norton Antivirus and Norton Personal Firewall?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by awulf
Does that include Norton Antivirus and Norton Personal Firewall?

I don't know. I personally have put a ban on all Symantec OSX products for the time being. I have done this out of protection for my system even though I have a great desire to support Symantec as I live just a couple miles from there world head quarters.