BootCamp Updated to 1.0.2 [Archive]

MacRumors

Jul 12, 2006, 09:36 AM

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According to MacFixIt (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2006071115244887): [quote][i]Apple has quietly released version 1.0.2 of its beta Boot Camp software for running Windows XP on Intel-based Macs.

Apple has provided no documentation regarding enhancements in this release. The disk image download itself has a modification date of July 10th (yesterday) at 9:17 AM, but the files therein -- including BootCampAssistant.pkg, the installer for the Boot Camp Assistant -- carries a modification date of June 19th.

The new release is available as a standalone download from Apple's Boot Camp page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/publicbeta.html).

thejadedmonkey

Jul 12, 2006, 09:38 AM

Maybe someone was bored over there in Cupertino... :confused:

toughboy

Jul 12, 2006, 09:47 AM

So, whats new???

displaced

Jul 12, 2006, 09:55 AM

Has anyone downloaded the new package and burnt the Windows driver CD?

It'd be great to see if Apple have actually updated any of the device drivers, or if this is simply a tweak to the Assistant.

Spanky Deluxe

Jul 12, 2006, 10:25 AM

ISight drivers would be nice. Or maybe they've made drivers so that Windows 'moo's and 'whine's as well!! :p

2Sticky

Jul 12, 2006, 10:37 AM

ISight drivers would be nice.

Not this time I'm affraid.

coorspate

Jul 12, 2006, 10:40 AM

Nothing has changed as far as i can tell. tried to install all the unknown hardware in the device manager and no luck. it had to have changed something but i cant figure out what.

mrichmon

Jul 12, 2006, 10:46 AM

It'd be great to see if Apple have actually updated any of the device drivers, or if this is simply a tweak to the Assistant.

Updated drivers for WiFi can be downloaded directly from the chipset manufacturer: http://tw2005.giga-byte.com/Communication/Support/Driver/Driver_Wireless_GN-WI01HT.htm

The updated drivers provide a much wider range of authentication protocols and a handly WiFi utility that gives you information on your WiFi signal, allows you to tweak options and setup auto-switching profiles for different networks.

topgunn

Jul 12, 2006, 11:22 AM

Obviously they are preparing for the upcoming Mac Pro release. ;)

scotto07

Jul 12, 2006, 11:40 AM

Obviously they are preparing for the upcoming Mac Pro release. ;)

I agree with topgunn that they are repairing to release some hardware that boot camp needs to support. :) :)

applekid

Jul 12, 2006, 12:33 PM

Any idea if the speakers turn off if you plug-in headphones? My only peeve with Boot Camp at the moment is the audio drivers.

Would be nice if the backlit keyboard worked with the MacBook Pro.

Backtothemac

Jul 12, 2006, 12:44 PM

Has anyone tried to install Vista with it? That would be a neat addition.

Kingsly

Jul 12, 2006, 01:07 PM

yeah, the only thing wrong that i can see is the weird audio driver... downloading now and praying for a fix.

bigandy

Jul 12, 2006, 01:13 PM

Has anyone tried to install Vista with it? That would be a neat addition.

my guess is that that's pretty pointless until vista is actually released, given microsoft's fetish for changing things all the time.

CANEHDN

Jul 12, 2006, 02:53 PM

jaw04005

Jul 12, 2006, 03:03 PM

yellow

Jul 12, 2006, 03:07 PM

Could be.

It would be nice if it included a fix for the whole non-screensaver/sleep screen issues on the MBP.

Holy ****.. that install fixed the lack of screen saver support in Windows on my MBP! Why????

Nermal

Jul 12, 2006, 03:30 PM

yeah, the only thing wrong that i can see is the weird audio driver... downloading now and praying for a fix.

It's not fixed.

Hunts121

Jul 12, 2006, 04:03 PM

It might have something to do with the BootCamp issues related to the new $899 education iMac. I believe upon install using the original BootCamp version, Windows "saw" the iMac as a notebook, not desktop.

well aside from its hard drive, it almost is. ;) A mobile chip, notebook memory and I'm not sure but I think the graphics chip is the mobility variety as well. :D

iBunny

Jul 12, 2006, 04:52 PM

Obviously they are preparing for the upcoming Mac Pro release. ;)

I agree completly. With Quad Core (Dual Woodcrest) MacPros comming out... and who knows what other good hardware. They needed to descretly update boot camp. <3

I Heart Apple... Now my 20 inch IntelliMac is going to be obsolete soon :( well not really, but I always need the latest and greatest hardware... sigh.

SiliconAddict

Jul 12, 2006, 11:44 PM

So, whats new???

Not a dang thing as far as I can tell. I downloaded and installed the new driver package. Didn't update a single driver. Video: nope, audio: nope, USB: nope, bluetooth: nope, iSight support...heck nope. The brightness stepping issue? Nope. WIFI? Nope. In short they haven't done jack with anything that is obvious. :( All the while suspend is flaky as **** on my MBP...but is like a rock on my ThinkPad. Apple needs to hire some people at Intel to do some driver development for them because so far I'm NOT impressed. even less so with power management under XP on my MBP.
My biggest fear is that Apple is going to intentionally neuter Windows on the Mac simply to make OS X look like the faster more stable OS. (Which IMHO both are on = footing.) I mean seriously I've never seen XP take so long to boot. On a relativity new Dell it takes less then 15 second from first seeing the Windows boot screen until you get the logon screen. On a MBP it takes....well I haven't timed it but its **** of a lot longer. Part of me thinks Apple did a crappy job with their CSM for EFI. Because other then that there really is no reason for it taking so bloody long to boot.
That being said I’m having my cake and eating it too. Windows runs. I can use streets and trips 2006 with GPS, and I can use all the in house Windows apps that I need to do my job. Its not a perfect world but it will do…which I think is what Apple is thinking as well. :(

SiliconAddict

Jul 12, 2006, 11:58 PM

I agree completly. With Quad Core (Dual Woodcrest) MacPros comming out... and who knows what other good hardware. They needed to descretly update boot camp. <3

There is no reason why Apple would need to update BootCamp for a new Mac. Boot Camp is nothing more then a boot manager/loader. Realistically this update was because of all the headaches that people were having when they first installed BC....correct me if I'm wrong but weren’t there a few people who had their install of OS X blown away and could only boot into XP?

Nermal

Jul 13, 2006, 01:49 AM

I mean seriously I've never seen XP take so long to boot. On a relativity new Dell it takes less then 15 second from first seeing the Windows boot screen until you get the logon screen. On a MBP it takes....well I haven't timed it but its **** of a lot longer.

I haven't timed my iMac, but it can't be much longer than 15 seconds.

Edit: OK, I had nothing better to do, so I timed it. 35 seconds. That's significantly faster than the 2.8 GHz XP boxes we have at work, which take a good 3-5 minutes. If I remember, I'll time mine tomorrow just to check.

Edit: Finally remembered, it took 3:15.

Jul 13, 2006, 05:34 AM

Does anyone have the issue of the keyboard not working while in XP using bootcamp? I have to unplug and replug in the keyboard all the time. It's annoying. I wonder if this has been fixed with this update.

If it's been fixed, can I just install the new version or do I have to reload XP?

omg never thought it would be a general problem. Happens here too and it's quite annoying. It just happens for no reason! But after the plug thing when ou turn xp off or restart it pops a lovely blue screen that stays for... less than a second. I'll have my cell phone near for next time to read the screen.:rolleyes:

mrichmon

Jul 13, 2006, 05:38 AM

correct me if I'm wrong but weren’t there a few people who had their install of OS X blown away and could only boot into XP?

In many (possibly all) of those cases the problem was user error in that the user instructed the Windows installer to either wipe the OS X partition or inadvertantly installed Windows over the top of the OS X partition.

topgunn

Jul 13, 2006, 07:38 AM

Not a dang thing as far as I can tell. I downloaded and installed the new driver package. Didn't update a single driver. Video: nope, audio: nope, USB: nope, bluetooth: nope, iSight support...heck nope. The brightness stepping issue? Nope. WIFI? Nope.
There is no reason why Apple would need to update BootCamp for a new Mac. Boot Camp is nothing more then a boot manager/loader.
Thats funny. If Boot Camp is nothing more than a boot manager, why would you check to see if you drivers were updated? Oh, thats right. Boot Camp includes Windows drivers, too. So if a new Mac included say a new chipset or a X1900 or RAID support, Apple would probably want to update Boot Camp.

omg never thought it would be a general problem. Happens here too and it's quite annoying. It just happens for no reason! But after the plug thing when ou turn xp off or restart it pops a lovely blue screen that stays for... less than a second. I'll have my cell phone near for next time to read the screen.:rolleyes:
Do you other USB devices plugged in especially something that draws more power like a portable hard drive or something? I have a 2.5" HD that I use with my iMac. Sometimes when I plug it in I get a message about a power surge on the USB port or something like that and afterwards my keyboard and mouse won't work until I unplug them and plug them back in. By the way, I don't have this problem on my Gateway laptop.

AVR2

Jul 13, 2006, 08:06 AM

My biggest fear is that Apple is going to intentionally neuter Windows on the Mac

I don't think they are. I think that the reason BootCamp is missing various key elements is simple economics : if Apple had given us everything we wanted in BootCamp as part of the beta, they'd have been removing a significant incentive for people to upgrade to Leopard.

Tiger is more than good enough for me; unless 10.5 is something truly spectacular, I wouldn't see myself rushing to buy it for any reason other than an all-singing all-dancing BootCamp.

Jul 13, 2006, 09:34 AM

Do you other USB devices plugged in especially something that draws more power like a portable hard drive or something? I have a 2.5" HD that I use with my iMac. Sometimes when I plug it in I get a message about a power surge on the USB port or something like that and afterwards my keyboard and mouse won't work until I unplug them and plug them back in. By the way, I don't have this problem on my Gateway laptop.

hi, no, don't have an external hdd, maybe sometimes it happens with the ipod plugged, but it can happen without it too

kyleaa

Jul 13, 2006, 11:54 AM

In many (possibly all) of those cases the problem was user error in that the user instructed the Windows installer to either wipe the OS X partition or inadvertantly installed Windows over the top of the OS X partition.

My iMac started booting into windows by default after the install, I could see someone not reading the documentation about holding down option at boot and believing t hat they couldn't get into Mac OSX. The startup disk control panel in my XP is all messed up and doesnt work at all, so if it weren't for option a problem could have ensued...

And in my opinion, my iMac boots windows faster than any windows computer I have ever used, including 2.4gHz+ Pentium 4s.

mrichmon

Jul 13, 2006, 01:21 PM

Thats funny. If Boot Camp is nothing more than a boot manager, why would you check to see if you drivers were updated? Oh, thats right. Boot Camp includes Windows drivers, too. So if a new Mac included say a new chipset or a X1900 or RAID support, Apple would probably want to update Boot Camp.

BootCamp contains a CD image of Windows drivers that BootCamp will burn to a CDR for you. However the only function that BootCamp provides that directly relates to getting Windows installed is repartitioning of the drive.

Driver support using Apple supplied drivers for Windows is minimal at best. There is also no reason why Apple could not or would not simply release an updated CD image for the Windows drivers. Releasing drivers for unannounced hardware is a sure way for Apple to leak their upcoming models and given Apple's historical level of secrecy about new products this is very unlikely.

Peace

Jul 13, 2006, 01:33 PM

The only difference between Boot Camp 1.0 and Boot Camp 1.0.2 is the wording in the instructions for installing it.Apple did it to help noobs better understand how it's done.This is why the update is a 1.0.2 instead of a 1.1

ewinemiller

Jul 13, 2006, 02:17 PM

And in my opinion, my iMac boots windows faster than any windows computer I have ever used, including 2.4gHz+ Pentium 4s.

I certainly hope so! A 2.4 ghz Pentium 4 was top of the line in what 2001?

thejadedmonkey

Jul 13, 2006, 02:38 PM

whenpaulsparks

Jul 14, 2006, 10:36 AM

yellow

Jul 14, 2006, 12:07 PM

if this actually does fix the fact that the screen saver doesn't start, that'd be great. i haven't noticed the problem with my macbook, but then again i usually close it before it would go to a screen saver. but the intel imac 20" that i use at my office never goes to sleep when running windows and the screen saver never comes on, and i worry about the screen's life.

Sorry, I'd edited the wrong post.

The windows application Input Remapper (http://www.olofsson.info/), which help remap keys and right-clicks for Windows on Macs, for whatever reason fixed the broken (on my MBP) screensaver & screen power-off & Active Directory lock-screen GPO. I've not had time to test why or how, but that's all I installed that could have fixed it.

Hugh

Jul 15, 2006, 07:55 AM

That's strange that you are having Screen Saver problems (and Sleep mode). I have a MacMini Single Core and both of those features work for me with no problems.

As for the booting of Windows XP. It boots faster then my 2.8Mhz Celeron D. Not to mention some games work better on my Mini as well.

Hugh

if this actually does fix the fact that the screen saver doesn't start, that'd be great. i haven't noticed the problem with my macbook, but then again i usually close it before it would go to a screen saver. but the intel imac 20" that i use at my office never goes to sleep when running windows and the screen saver never comes on, and i worry about the screen's life.

modShade

Jul 15, 2006, 04:07 PM

One thing I noticed since I had to whipe my HDD and get the new bootcamp. When you go to format the Windows side, it no longer allows you to format as FAT, only NTFS.

ironic23

Jul 16, 2006, 06:31 PM

One thing I noticed since I had to whipe my HDD and get the new bootcamp. When you go to format the Windows side, it no longer allows you to format as FAT, only NTFS.

Wow, that's bad if you'd like to read your windows partition from mac os x. Can anyone else confirm this?

mrichmon

Jul 16, 2006, 07:44 PM

Wow, that's bad if you'd like to read your windows partition from mac os x. Can anyone else confirm this?

If you want to read your Windows partition from OS X then there is not a problem formating the Windows partition as NTFS. OS X can read NTFS without a problem. It is a problem if you want to write to the Windows partition from OS X.

I've just reinstalled Windows on my USB drive without using BootCamp. Before installing Windows I used Disk Utility to partition the drive into two partitions marking the partitions as MS-DOS partitions. During the Windows installation I formatted the install partition as NTFS with the intention of formating the second partition using FAT once I finished the installation of Windows. I installed the Apple drivers that shipped as part of the first release of BootCamp.

When the installation of Windows was complete I found that Windows would only let me format the second partition using NTFS. I found that I could modify the partition table using GParted to set the partition type to FAT32. After that change Windows would give me the option of formating use FAT or using NTFS.

cbigfoot1987

Jul 17, 2006, 12:00 AM

BETA

Enough said

jbernie

Jul 17, 2006, 02:48 AM

BETA

Enough said

Actually you forgot one thing.... FREE

you get what you paid for. :)

yellow

Jul 17, 2006, 12:45 PM

That's strange that you are having Screen Saver problems (and Sleep mode). I have a MacMini Single Core and both of those features work for me with no problems.

This is a problem only with MBPs.

JQW

Jul 17, 2006, 03:58 PM

One thing I noticed since I had to whipe my HDD and get the new bootcamp. When you go to format the Windows side, it no longer allows you to format as FAT, only NTFS.

The Windows installer will only allow NTFS if installing on partitions over 32GB. This is due to limitations in FAT.

I bet that this is happening here.

7on

Jul 17, 2006, 04:21 PM

The Windows installer will only allow NTFS if installing on partitions over 32GB. This is due to limitations in FAT.

I bet that this is happening here.

A limitation in WINDOWS. Linux can format FAT over 32GB and Windows will install correctly onto it.

JackSYi

Jul 17, 2006, 04:24 PM

Actually you forgot one thing.... FREE

you get what you paid for. :)

:)

jaxstate

Jul 18, 2006, 03:54 PM

It took you 3:15 to boot up a 2.8Ghz XP box:rolleyes: . It takes about 1:30 seconds on my 600Mhz Celeron XP box.
I haven't timed my iMac, but it can't be much longer than 15 seconds.

Edit: OK, I had nothing better to do, so I timed it. 35 seconds. That's significantly faster than the 2.8 GHz XP boxes we have at work, which take a good 3-5 minutes. If I remember, I'll time mine tomorrow just to check.

Edit: Finally remembered, it took 3:15.

Puppies

Jul 19, 2006, 11:05 AM

It took you 3:15 to boot up a 2.8Ghz XP box:rolleyes: . It takes about 1:30 seconds on my 600Mhz Celeron XP box.

Yeah, the only systems I've seen that take that long to boot Windows are servers. Some of them take FOREVER, and go through trillions of BIOS screens, etc.

But standard hardware running Windows boots really fast. There's no way a normal 2.8GHz Windows system could take 3:15 to boot unless something was drastically wrong.

modShade

Jul 20, 2006, 02:56 PM

The Windows installer will only allow NTFS if installing on partitions over 32GB. This is due to limitations in FAT.

I bet that this is happening here.

Yep, just realized that. When I first did Bootcamp I gave the windows side 30GB and this time I did 35.

And even though BootCamp may be free, I still paid for Windows XP Pro as well as the computer itself and I've very pleased with the performance.

I actually don't mind booting into Windows over the virtualization until they get to the point where it can run Windows at FULL speed without booting into it.

glassbathroom

Jul 26, 2006, 09:44 AM

I actually don't mind booting into Windows over the virtualization until they get to the point where it can run Windows at FULL speed without booting into it.

You are my kind of dreamer. I do hope you are right.:)

oober_freak

Jul 26, 2006, 12:03 PM

... unless something was drastically wrong.

or unless there were 10 programs at startup. :p

That includes the dreaded Norton AV

Jo-Kun

Jul 28, 2006, 11:35 AM

Has anyone tried to install Vista with it? That would be a neat addition.

yep vista is running on mine...

one big issue with Bootcamp... they say you can 'undo' the partitioning... well so much for the truth... you can't... bootcamp refuses to do anything to it now, just adiveses me to reformat it into one and retry :p

vista has the 'moo' allso on my Macbook LOL

now I'm stuck with this vista and NO software to run on it hahah, hey maybe I can look for those old PC games I have and see if they work...

o and my airport has a driver (windowsupdate gave me one...)

RichP

Jul 29, 2006, 01:56 PM

Sorry, I'd edited the wrong post.

The windows application Input Remapper (http://www.olofsson.info/), which help remap keys and right-clicks for Windows on Macs, for whatever reason fixed the broken (on my MBP) screensaver & screen power-off & Active Directory lock-screen GPO. I've not had time to test why or how, but that's all I installed that could have fixed it.

That fixed my lack of screen saver and screen shutoff as well. Interesting.

imacintel

Jul 29, 2006, 02:24 PM

Maybe this is hinting leopard...;)

Peace

Jul 29, 2006, 03:28 PM

yep vista is running on mine...

one big issue with Bootcamp... they say you can 'undo' the partitioning... well so much for the truth... you can't... bootcamp refuses to do anything to it now, just adiveses me to reformat it into one and retry :p

vista has the 'moo' allso on my Macbook LOL

now I'm stuck with this vista and NO software to run on it hahah, hey maybe I can look for those old PC games I have and see if they work...

o and my airport has a driver (windowsupdate gave me one...)

So you're saying the bootcamp update 1.0.2 drivers disk now works with Vista?.In otherwords,the appledriver install disk will install on Vista correct?