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MACDRIVE
Jul 13, 2006, 02:22 AM
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/12/business/auto.php


By Nick Bunkley The New York Times

Published: July 12, 2006



DETROIT Can the mystique of a British sports car be recreated by a Chinese company in America's heartland?
That is the bet by Nanjing Automobile Group, which plans to resurrect the fabled MG marque in a demonstration of how truly global the automotive industry has become.
Nanjing, which purchased the assets of the bankrupt MG Rover Group last year, is aiming to be the first Chinese carmaker to open a factory in the United States. At a news conference on Wednesday in Oklahoma, the company announced plans to build a newly designed MG TF Coupe there starting in 2008. It said that the coupe would compete with cars like the Mazda Miata, which sells for between $20,000 and $25,000.
It will also assemble a convertible TF Roadster version at MG's shuttered factory in Longbridge, England, and three sedan models in China. American and European operations for MG Motors is to be based in Oklahoma City, a few hours' drive from the new factory in Ardmore, Oklahoma.
MG's rebirth under Nanjing, which said that it had $2 billion in financing for the endeavor, comes as Chinese companies are setting their sights on the United States, the world's largest car market.
Several Chinese carmakers have said that they are two to three years away from exporting vehicles to the United States. One, Geely Automobile, displayed a $10,000 sedan at this year's Detroit auto show, although the car fell short of American safety and emissions standards.
Geely and Chery Automobile, a state- owned company that has sparred with General Motors over the similarity of its name to the Chevy nickname for the Chevrolet brand, plan to sell cars in the United States in 2008. Only Nanjing, however, has said that it intended to build vehicles outside China, where it would face higher labor costs than in its home country.
"We want to be a global company," said Duke Hale, a former executive at Mazda, Isuzu and Lotus who will be chief executive of MG Motors. "We don't want to be a company that simply exports out of China. We don't want to be seen as just another Chinese car company."
Nanjing also is unique among the Chinese car companies in its plan to revive an established brand with a Western following. Hale called that a critical advantage the company held over its Chinese rivals.
"I've got a brand name that still resonates," he said.
The company said that its lineup would be true to MG's heritage, to the delight of enthusiasts like Roger Parker, a technical consultant with the MG Owners' Club.
The club, run out of a large MG parts shop near Cambridge, England, has about 40,000 members worldwide. Many live in the United States, despite the brand's 26-year absence there.
"If they don't get the product right, they will certainly do damage that will be difficult to recover from," said Parker, whom Nanjing officials consulted about their plans. "It's clear that they are very committed and very conscious of the rich history that they have bought."
MG's limited appeal would ensure that Nanjing remained merely a niche player in the United States. However, construction of the first Chinese auto plant in the United States, which would create more than 500 jobs, carries a great deal of symbolism about the industry's future.
"It wasn't very long ago that nobody believed the Japanese would build plants in the United States," said David Davis, who co-founded Automobile magazine and runs an online publication for car lovers called Winding Road. After Lee Iacocca, the brash chairman of Chrysler, challenged them to do so, Davis added, "They did, and they blew everyone's pants off."
MG, originally called Morris Garages, began selling cars in the 1920s. Its iconic TC convertible was a big hit in the United States after servicemen grew attached to earlier MG models in Europe during World War II.
"MG was really an integral part of the foreign car revolution that started in the late '40s and early '50s," Davis said. "They weren't terribly good cars, but they were so different and they were so much fun to drive that we all forgave them for their lack of reliability."
The brand withdrew from the U.S. market in 1980. Sales continued elsewhere as ownership passed through several hands, including Honda and Bayerische Motoren Werke, until production ceased in April 2005 and all 6,000 workers at the factory in England were let go.
"It's the first sports car that I remember as a child," said Paul Fucito, who grew up around the corner from an MG dealership in New Jersey and remembers its closing. A spokesman for George Washington University, Fucito has never lost hope that he will one day own an MG and participates in several online forums devoted to the brand.
Several automakers have capitalized on demand for nostalgic nameplates in recent years, including BMW with its modernized Mini Cooper and Ford with the Mustang. Chevrolet has been deluged with requests to bring back the Camaro.
Jeremy Anwyl, president of Edmunds.com, a Web site that advises consumers about buying cars, said MG had the potential to join the list of successfully resurrected marques, so long as Nanjing kept quality high and prices low. "It's not just a question of slapping an MG brand on something and expecting it to be an automatic success," he said.
Anwyl said he expected to see the new MG models sporting the brand's recognizable vertical grille and octagonal logo but without the flaws that made early models frustrating yet endearing.
"Hopefully some of the electrical problems you wouldn't bring back," he said. "If you really want to go for nostalgia, you put on a leaky roof."
Shanghai Auto sells affiliate
Shanghai Automotive Industry, the Chinese government-owned partner of General Motors and Volkswagen, said Wednesday it had sold its auto manufacturing assets to its publicly traded affiliate, The Associated Press reported from Shanghai.
The deal, worth about 20 billion yuan, or $2.5 billion, would result in the core assets of SAIC being included in Shanghai Automotive, which has shares on the Shanghai Stock Exchange.
The deal dovetails with China's efforts to beef up the quality of assets listed on the stock exchanges following shareholding reforms that shifted billions of dollars in nontradable, mostly state-owned shares into the market.



aquajet
Jul 13, 2006, 02:35 AM
I've fond childhood memories of my father and me riding in his sky blue MGB roadster cross country. We probably spent nearly as much time under the car as on the road. :rolleyes:

Indeed we'll see whether or not the allure of these lovable little buckets can be recaptured.

BTW, this thread probably doesn't need to be in the politics forum.

DZ/015
Jul 13, 2006, 02:37 AM
BTW, this thread probably doesn't need to be in the politics forum.

After a few posts, it will need to be. This is just more proof of the intertwined economies that China and the US have.

Also, I wouldn't mind a cheap MG roadster.

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 13, 2006, 07:10 AM
I happen to have a MGB 1980, I would love to see it born again in the states but having the Chineese do it worrys me. MGB rules:D

Peterkro
Jul 13, 2006, 07:15 AM
Maybe the Chinese can engineer it so it doesn't break down every other journey.Here's hoping.

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 13, 2006, 07:27 AM
Maybe the Chinese can engineer it so it doesn't break down every other journey.Here's hoping.My MGB has become very reliable after yanking out the Zenith Stromburg P.O.S. carb and using a weber.:)

Queso
Jul 13, 2006, 06:36 PM
After a few posts, it will need to be. This is just more proof of the intertwined economies that China and the US have.
As well as being proof that most British management are a bunch of overpaid idiots too busy lunching to notice their companies going bankrupt :mad:

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 13, 2006, 06:45 PM
I would agree, just look at what British Leyland did to the company. Destroyed it from within. MG has had some great looking convertibles in my view, beautiful. Its sad as heck they havent been sold in the states since 1980. Still I get a ton of looks whenever I drive that 1980 MGB and its now increasing in value:)
If done like MiniCooper was done it could be a great success,but Chineese made Mg? That scares me.

cslewis
Jul 13, 2006, 07:14 PM
I wonder how my avatar feels about this...

mactastic
Jul 13, 2006, 07:18 PM
I wonder how my avatar feels about this...
The UAW has got to be used to getting the shaft by now...

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 13, 2006, 07:31 PM
I wonder how my avatar feels about this...Its to bad GM & Ford cant seem to pull their heads out of their arses, so its going to take the Chineese to bring us the MG? Look at BMW and MiniCooper but GM & Ford cant see past the next 3 months,so while they want to sell SUVs to dodge the EPA car rules smarter companies are doing something else like Honda,Toyota,Hyundai,etc.

IJ Reilly
Jul 13, 2006, 08:27 PM
The UAW has got to be used to getting the shaft by now...

Would that be the drive shaft?

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 13, 2006, 08:33 PM
Would that be the drive shaft?NO dont start that, please my computer cant take it.

IJ Reilly
Jul 13, 2006, 08:39 PM
NO dont start that, please my computer cant take it.

I see. You must be the crank shaft.

mactastic
Jul 13, 2006, 09:19 PM
I see. You must be the crank shaft.
I had put "(crank) shaft" in initially. I'll have to nominate DHM for that title today as well. ;)

aquajet
Jul 13, 2006, 09:41 PM
I see. You must be the crank shaft.

Careful now. You don't want to drive DHM mad...

IJ Reilly
Jul 13, 2006, 11:13 PM
Careful now. You don't want to drive DHM mad...

I think I piston off.

zimv20
Jul 13, 2006, 11:29 PM
I think I piston off.
wankel.

:-)

aquajet
Jul 13, 2006, 11:44 PM
I think I piston off.

This could spark a fit of rage. He might just hit you over the head with a rod.

yg17
Jul 14, 2006, 12:26 AM
wankel.

:-)

I just realized something: pis(s)ton and wankel. Someone in the auto industry has a strange mind :eek: :D

IJ Reilly
Jul 14, 2006, 03:16 AM
wankel.

:-)

Cam again?

zimv20
Jul 14, 2006, 03:33 AM
Cam again?
just checking your fool filter.

geese
Jul 17, 2006, 06:45 PM
Can't think of any car puns, but i can say that the car they're likely to build, the MG TF, was a decent roadster before Longbridge went ka-boom. Mechanically getting a little old compared the the Mazda Miata/MX5, but still a lovely looking car, and drove well.

http://www.xpower-mg.com/images/MG%20TF%20Front.jpg

Whhy cant the British run car factories? Triumph, Rover or MG could have been amoungst the brands in the world. But no. Mess up.

At least Brtish Leyland never managed to ruin Jaguar.

Are there any British car manufacturers left?

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 17, 2006, 06:56 PM
Thats a beautiful car.

zimv20
Jul 17, 2006, 07:02 PM
Are there any British car manufacturers left?
lotus, but they were bought by proton (malaysian). landrover is part of ford now, i believe.

what about morgan? and TVR is still holding on, it seems.

zimv20
Jul 17, 2006, 07:04 PM
Thats a beautiful car.
it looks too japanese for my tastes. i'd rather have the miata in that case.

but what i *really* want is a lotus exige...

http://images.consumerguide.com/cmsimages/articles/2006_LOS_ANGELES_AUTO_SHOW/07-Lotus-Exige-2_600.jpg


...drool...

mactastic
Jul 17, 2006, 07:16 PM
Where the hell am I supposed to put sheets of plywood and buckets of paint (not to mention the dog) in THAT thing???

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 17, 2006, 07:18 PM
Miata was a MGB copy done years later:p

zimv20
Jul 17, 2006, 07:21 PM
Where the hell am I supposed to put sheets of plywood and buckets of paint (not to mention the dog) in THAT thing???
don't worry, it's smaller than it looks.

zimv20
Jul 17, 2006, 08:05 PM
Miata was a MGB copy done years later:p
but they shouldn't have copied back! granted, this is a pretty dated design, but it's brilliant, and it looks british:

http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/images/Mgb.jpg

they should do a 2007 version of that design.

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 17, 2006, 09:17 PM
Sweet but I like this one.

zimv20
Jul 17, 2006, 09:45 PM
very nice! do you know what year?

hey -- is that yours?

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 17, 2006, 09:50 PM
Do I know the year:D rumored to be a 80, with 36,000 original.:)

zimv20
Jul 17, 2006, 10:22 PM
Do I know the year:D rumored to be a 80, with 36,000 original.:)
cool! so many things i love about that car -- the grill, front bumper, wheels, that chrome air vent below the wiper.

you lucky bastard!

geese
Jul 18, 2006, 06:31 AM
lotus, but they were bought by proton (malaysian). landrover is part of ford now, i believe.

what about morgan? and TVR is still holding on, it seems.

TVR is owned by a Russian billlionaire now.

geese
Jul 18, 2006, 06:34 AM
but they shouldn't have copied back! granted, this is a pretty dated design, but it's brilliant, and it looks british:

they should do a 2007 version of that design.

Well, they did in 1993, the MG Rv8:

http://www.nextcar.com.au/h.i.mg.rv8.1993.1995.04oct.JPG

It was a bit crap though apparently.

FFTT
Jul 18, 2006, 09:43 AM
My favorite car ever was my '67 Datsun 1600 Roadster.

It was then a close spin off of the MG B, but far more reliable, especially
in the electronics.

I owned mine from 1971 through 1994 and spent quite a bit re-building
and customizing it.

Sold it when it was ready for it's 4th paint job.:(

stubeeef
Jul 18, 2006, 09:53 AM
Funny cause I'm reading "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. It plays well with this, China making a British car in the US. The world is flat indeed.

IJ Reilly
Jul 18, 2006, 11:25 AM
Funny cause I'm reading "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. It plays well with this, China making a British car in the US. The world is flat indeed.

My British car is made by a German company with an engine from Brazil.

zimv20
Jul 18, 2006, 11:28 AM
my german car was made in mexico with an engine from, errrr, germany.

IJ Reilly
Jul 18, 2006, 01:34 PM
The Brazilian engine in my British car is a joint venture between a German and an American car company.

zimv20
Jul 18, 2006, 02:56 PM
The Brazilian engine in my British car is a joint venture between a German and an American car company.
i give up. what is it? mine's a diesel VW Beetle.

mactastic
Jul 18, 2006, 02:57 PM
i give up. what is it? mine's a diesel VW Beetle.
I thought IJ had a Mini...

zimv20
Jul 18, 2006, 03:06 PM
I thought IJ had a Mini...
that's what i thought. that's still made in the UK, yes? i guess when he said "made by a german company", i assumed "made in germany." not a good assumption.

IJ Reilly
Jul 18, 2006, 05:02 PM
that's what i thought. that's still made in the UK, yes? i guess when he said "made by a german company", i assumed "made in germany." not a good assumption.

Mini is a subsidiary of BMW, but you probably knew that. And yes, the car is assembled at the old Rover plant near Oxford. The engine is made in Brazil by Tritec, a joint venture between BMW and Chrysler (pre-merger).

zimv20
Jul 18, 2006, 05:04 PM
Tritec, a joint venture between BMW and Chrysler (pre-merger).
that bit i did *not* know.

yg17
Jul 18, 2006, 05:40 PM
My Korean car was made in Korea with a Korean engine by a Korean companiy :P


And hell, with Hyundai's new plant in the US, that's changing.

IJ Reilly
Jul 18, 2006, 05:58 PM
that bit i did *not* know.

Chrysler also uses the engine in cars they sell in Europe. After they merged with Daimler-Benz, the Tritec partnership was allowed to lapse and in another model year or two, Mini will introduce a new power plant designed and produced in partnership with Peugeot. This one will be manufactured in Britain I believe.

Roger1
Jul 19, 2006, 07:28 PM
I don't think I would buy a Chinese car. I saw a couple of videos of Chinese SUV's undergoing crash tests, and they were EXTREMELY unnerving. I wish I had the links, but I can't find them. But, I think I will go to be now. I'm tired. An old retread like me needs his beauty sleep. If I don't get it, I feel like I'm running on empty. In other words, I would be exhausted all day.

:eek:

zimv20
Jul 24, 2006, 04:18 PM
top gear last night did a bit in their news about the MG deal. it can be videed here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7YYPHvSQY).

®îçhå®?
Jul 24, 2006, 04:22 PM
They are going to invest £10 million into the old Longfield site in the Uk. This is such a pitiful figure. Mercedes spend £10 million on research every day!!! I dont think that MG stand a chance of competing with anyone now, it would have needed to be bought by a large company like Audi to stand a chance.

Counterfit
Jul 27, 2006, 09:39 PM
My MGB has become very reliable after yanking out the Zenith Stromburg P.O.S. carb and using a weber.:)
I take it you don't have any Lucas electronic parts in there either?

Thanks to Peter Egan for writing an awesome article on them

For those who don't get that, read (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=2064).