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MACDRIVE
Jul 16, 2006, 05:20 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5184018.stm


Two Royal Navy ships are expected to make their way to the Middle East to be on standby for an emergency evacuation of British nationals from the Lebanon.
Defence Secretary Des Browne has given orders for HMS Illustrious and HMS Bulwark to "make ready" for operations following Israeli air strikes.

No order has yet been given to evacuate UK citizens from the region.

But British citizens have been warned to prepare for a departure at short notice if the situation changes.

The ships will leave as soon as necessary, possibly within 24 hours.

Israel stepped up its strikes in Lebanon after Hezbollah militants seized two Israeli soldiers.

'Contingency planning'

HMS Illustrious is currently in Gibraltar and HMS Bulwark is close to Barcelona in Spain.


It is quite unnerving when you hear the planes and bombs coming
Karen Wild
Student

Mid-East crisis map
Day-by-day: Lebanon crisis

Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said British nationals in Lebanon should stay put, make sure the embassy knows of them, keep a low profile and take embassy advice as it becomes available.

A Foreign Office spokesman added: "We are also advising British nationals to get ready for departure at short notice if the situation changes including by having travel documents in order."

Meetings on the evacuation plan were taking place at the Ministry of Defence.

But the decision whether to proceed with an evacuation plan has not yet been taken.

Britons with relatives in Lebanon told the BBC News website they feel let down by politicians and diplomats.

Rushee Jolly, whose 31-year-old sister Schona is stuck in the country, said the government "has to do something to protect their nationals".

"We feel that the embassy in Beirut is doing nothing, and that the advice they are giving is pretty poor.

"They told her to sit tight when the place where she was was being shelled."

'Bomb shelter'

Peter Jones, whose 16-year-old son Perry is spending his school holidays near the northern Lebanon city of Tripoli, said he was "worried to death".

"They have been seeing war-planes flying over, and the Israelis have been bombing Tripoli.


I don't know how [the Navy ships] are going to get here as the port has been bombed
Angela Quatermaine
Student

UK relatives anxious

"When the planes get too close, they go into the bomb shelter they built in the basement of their house."

He said the embassy had not given them any advice on how their son could leave the area.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said the offensive against Lebanese targets will continue until Hezbollah releases the soldiers and stops firing rockets at Israel.

There are several thousand Britons in Beirut. One who has got out of the city is student Angela Quatermaine, from Oxford.

Referring to the news that the two Royal Navy vessels were on standby, she said: "I don't know how they are going to get here as the port has been bombed... we'll believe it when we see it."

Marines aboard

BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood has said that 24 hours to get ready for sailing would be considered a "short turnaround" for the two ships.

He said that damage to the airport and port in Beirut meant it would be "difficult to get in".

"Any evacuation would be carried out in concert with other countries, led by the US," he added.

Mr Wood said HMS Bulwark had a contingent of 500 marines, which could be used to make beaches safe in the event of any evacuation.

HMS Illustrious has helicopters and fighter bombers on board, which again could be used to aid any evacuation.



toontra
Jul 16, 2006, 10:49 AM
America's most loyal ally (some may say "poodle") deserves to be spelt correctly - it's Great Britain.

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 11:08 AM
deserves to be spelt correctly - it's Great Britain.
i read it to mean that one very important man was doing this by himself.

iGary
Jul 16, 2006, 11:12 AM
The U.S. is making evacuation plans, too.

Hrmm...

toontra
Jul 16, 2006, 11:33 AM
i read it to mean that one very important man was doing this by himself.

lol - Blair surely deserves the title of Great Briton bestowed on him by the American nation.

FFTT
Jul 16, 2006, 01:33 PM
Aljazeera has a breakdown of current known evacualtion plans for most foreign nationals.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7FE59CBC-6BEA-45C0-921A-576E90A8389D.htm

This is an extensive number of people in harms way and they are trapped
as long as fighting continues.

I fear the worst if Hezbolluh militants manage to take down any evacuation
jets filled with Western nationals.

Roughly 2,200 U.S. Marines will be in place during the evacuation and tentative plans call for the repair of an emergency runway allowing 50-100
chartered jets to carry the evacuees to safety in Cyprus.

Obviously the risk is tremendous.

calculus
Jul 16, 2006, 01:35 PM
i read it to mean that one very important man was doing this by himself.
I read it that way too. I was wondering who it was...

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 01:39 PM
I fear the worst if Hezbolluh militants manage to take down any evacuation jets filled with Western nationals.
why would they do that?

eva01
Jul 16, 2006, 01:47 PM
why would they do that?

Why not?

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 01:58 PM
Why not?
would you shoot down a plane of americans?

eva01
Jul 16, 2006, 02:09 PM
would you shoot down a plane of americans?

Personally, no.

But that doesn't mean other people don't want to as well.

pseudobrit
Jul 16, 2006, 02:11 PM
would you shoot down a plane of americans?

The right wing Israelis would love to give the US an excuse to join the fighting.

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 02:11 PM
But that doesn't mean other people don't want to as well.
therefore, hezbollah wants to? a logical fallacy.

i think it's more likely that israel would shoot it down to blame it on hezbollah than hezbollah bothering to shoot it down. they've already got their hands full with israel, why would they want the US bombing them, too?

eva01
Jul 16, 2006, 02:12 PM
therefore, hezbollah wants to? a logical fallacy.

Where in my words did i say hezbollah wants to?

I stated other people.

For all you know that could mean other americans in lebanon or israel, or hell maybe even a canadian wants to.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I was asking a simple questions of why wouldn't they take out plans. And you went into this tizzy.

Kinda funny to look at it actually.

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 02:17 PM
Where in my words did i say hezbollah wants to?
read the posts again and you'll see it's clear.

eva01
Jul 16, 2006, 02:21 PM
read the posts again and you'll see it's clear.

I stated

"Why not?"

Is that a question? Yes or no?

Is that saying "Hezbollah wants to" which is a statement?

And i am pretty sure stating that other people may want to shoot down american planes does not say "hezbollah wants to"

Could have sworn that the first person to scream hezbollah in this situation was you here.

FFTT
Jul 16, 2006, 02:37 PM
I hope nothing like this happens, but I'm sure all of us see the potential
and the risk.

With both extremist factions saying " Bring it " this does not look good at all.

On a more cheerful note, I happened to remember Nostradamus' prediction
mentioning someone with a blue turban.

Out of the country of Greater Arabia
Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed...
He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
He will be the terror of mankind.
Never more horror.

This afternoon I just happened to catch the broadcast of Hezbolluh leader
Sheik Hassan Nasrallah

He was wearing a blue turban

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/9a5080ed-4136-4dca-a2be-623a3827fb9d/nasrallah.jpg?size=l

pseudobrit
Jul 16, 2006, 03:12 PM
I happened to remember Nostradamus' prediction
mentioning someone with a blue turban.

Nostradamus' predictions are bull-****.

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 03:16 PM
Could have sworn that the first person to scream hezbollah in this situation was you here.
for christ's sake, put it in context:

mac: i hope hezbollah doesn't shoot down a plane.
me: why would they?
you: why wouldn't they?

the antecedent to "they" is "hezbollah". that is the context. were you confused or just being disingenuous?

eva01
Jul 16, 2006, 03:27 PM
for christ's sake, put it in context:

mac: i hope hezbollah doesn't shoot down a plane.
me: why would they?
you: why wouldn't they?

the antecedent to "they" is "hezbollah". that is the context. were you confused or just being disingenuous?

hahahaha you just made my day.

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Who knows.

zimv20
Jul 16, 2006, 03:29 PM
hahahaha you just made my day.
glad i could help. i'm going with "disingenuous."

solvs
Jul 16, 2006, 09:55 PM
would you shoot down a plane of americans?
Depends on the americans. :p Kidding. Not really.

Nostradamus' predictions are bull-****.
Doesn't have to be real to make some people want to make them real. Self-fulfilling prophecies and all. And we're playing right into it.

Oh, and you're all doomed. DOOMED! Doomed.

MACDRIVE
Jul 17, 2006, 01:29 AM
America's most loyal ally (some may say "poodle") deserves to be spelt correctly - it's Great Britain.

I'm sorry about that man, can the moderators please fix this horrendous spelling error? I won't let this happen again. :o

solvs
Jul 17, 2006, 03:09 AM
Send them a PM.

Doomed.