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MacRumors
Mar 8, 2003, 05:45 PM
Kodawarisan posted (http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/index.html) a brief update claiming that the 15" Powerbooks are delayed due to 17" delays... but appear to be in line for an update next month.

They also echo reports of a Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard.



TeraRWM
Mar 8, 2003, 05:51 PM
wonder what these new 15.4" will have in terms of screen resolution.

any thoughts?

orangefoodie
Mar 8, 2003, 06:09 PM
I pray and pray that it's not going to drop to 1200x800 (and dropping the pixel density for the 15.4" diagonal aspect ratio considerably). It probably is though, as most rumours regarding the 15.4 PB claim. A terrible, terrible shame - I hate how macs are always gipped in terms of screen resolution...

donshank
Mar 8, 2003, 06:13 PM
i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!

orangefoodie
Mar 8, 2003, 06:17 PM
Hehehe I forgot that point. It's still being gipped tho. My point still stands - that dell 15.4 inch widescreen gets 1,680 pixels by 1,050 pixels (SXGA+ Resolution)... I'm envious :D

scarecrow
Mar 8, 2003, 06:24 PM
Higher resolution is always nice, but nothing beats improved brightness and/or contrast. I will take a hit on resolution if I get a brighter LCD.:D

bentmywookie
Mar 8, 2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by donshank
i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!

The 15" superdrive Ti has a 1280 by x 854 resolution, so if it debuts at 1200 x 800 it would be a step down from the current models. However, I believe the only reason for speculating an introduction at 1200 x 800 is because of the finding that the people who produced the 17"'s screen also produce a 15.4" screen at 1200 x 800. So don't let your hopes get too down.

orangefoodie
Mar 8, 2003, 06:38 PM
But realistically, there is no way Apple will choose something much more sensical and happy like a 1900x1200 resolution in the new PB (which is the highest resolution that 15.4 inch dell can go). THAT would make my day - I mean, there's 1.7 times more pixels in 1900x1200 than there is in the 17 inch powerbook.

That said, I'm still planning to get that 17 inch powerbook...

Bear
Mar 8, 2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by donshank
i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!
The PowerBook DVIs are 1280 x 854. The rumored resolution for the 15.4" is 1280 * 800 (16:10 ratio).

If you got your PowerBook before last may, this would be a step us. For newer owners, it's a step down.

I won't be replacing my TiBook for at least another year, so I'm not too concerned about the lower resolution, although I hope Apple has it back up by the time I need a new PowerBook.

yzedf
Mar 8, 2003, 07:10 PM
I guess I just don't understand the hubub about the 17" PB. Keeps me locked into a desk (size), big screen that has a low resolution, and you can't get one yet. It is just a novelty item at this stage.

The 15.x" is a nice size, good for real work, but sized in such a way that I would be more than comfortable with it on my lap chillin' on the couch. Only thing to wait for is screen resolution, which I have the feeling I will be disappointed, much like when the iBook 14" came out.

15.4" with a high res, real DDR/FW800/BT/AE/backlit keyboard could be enough to push me over the edge.

Apple, please make me buy something! I am tired of waiting for the next big thing...

ryan
Mar 8, 2003, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by yzedf
I guess I just don't understand the hubub about the 17" PB. Keeps me locked into a desk (size), big screen that has a low resolution, and you can't get one yet. It is just a novelty item at this stage.
[snip] I couldn't agree more. I just don't understand why people are so interested in this machine. Sure a 17" screen is nice, but the sacrifices that need to be made to put one in a laptop, not just in terms of size but in terms of weight (the 17" is nearly 2lbs heavier than the 15") makes it not worth it.

firestarter
Mar 8, 2003, 07:52 PM
Apple needs to hurry up with these laptops. They've failed to deliver on the promise set back in January that this would be 'year of the laptop' (3/4 year anyone?).

Meanwhile, next Wednesday sees the release of the Intel Centrino mobile processor. This looks pretty good - much better performance (less of a 'MHz myth' problem than the P4) and much lower power. Added to this is the expected $2bn advertising budget that Intel will use to get this off the ground, and which manufacturars will be keen to get behind.

I expect a whole load of wintel manufacturars will make product releases next week, with lighter/more powerful notebooks - which will better compete with the PowerMacs. Apple needs to wake up before Intel eats their lunch.

rt_brained
Mar 9, 2003, 12:34 AM
But if you could instead get a brand-new top-of-the-line 15" TiBook 1GHz/512/60/Superdrive for $1,799.00, plus (mandatory) Applecare warranty for an extra $200.00, would you cave?

Kwyjibo
Mar 9, 2003, 01:26 AM
so you save 1150 off the retail price of that tibook 2799 down to 1799 and 349 app to 200 app. that seems like a deal to me.

orangefoodie
Mar 9, 2003, 01:56 AM
Hell, they sell the 15" TiBook at the Umich Campus store for $2138 (applecare included). I'm going for the 17 inch because of:
1) The big physical real estate (knowing apple, they aren't going to push the resolution of their screens for a while, 15.4" or otherwise - after all the 17" AlBook's screen is based off the 17" imac)
2) The weight isn't really much of a concern, I'm used to carrying around many many pounds of books, and my mum's Dell laptop weighs more than the 17 inch. :D I've carried that sucker around all over...
3) When you actually make a mock-up of the 17" AlBook footprint, it's not nearly as big as you imagine. (Yes, I _am_ that sort of geek.)
Also, money isn't much of a concern for me cos this is coming out of my parents' money - so I guess I'm terribly biased :D

I just feel bad for Apple because they have boneheads in the marketing department. After all, they announced this with a load of hoo-hah, complete with FULL-PAGE ads on major magazines and newspapers like TIME and the NYT. Now it's been two months, and at this rate no one will remember anything ('specially the pontential switchers lured by the said TIME ads like me) about these Laptops when they actually come out, while Centrino sways the market backed by Intel money.

rt_brained
Mar 9, 2003, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Kwyjibo
so you save 1150 off the retail price of that tibook 2799 down to 1799 and 349 app to 200 app. that seems like a deal to me.

That, plus the delay on the new 15's, swayed me big time. Also, keep in mind that "announcement" does not equate to "now available." You can bet the line is growing already...and if the availability of the 17 is any indication, I'd just as soon get a 15" now and save loads of cash. The extra goodies on the new 15" will never make up for the $1000 I just saved.

As long as I'm here:
Additionally, the possibility of a lower res screen, those slippery new silver keys (they look better than they feel) and that funky plastic trim around the top edge of the new Powerbook's base (on all sizes) -- also weighed heavy in my decision. If you thought scratched paint on the TiBook was an issue, just wait till you see that plastic trim after it gets banged up and start protruding with sharp pieces like nasty hangnails after good use.

You gotta take the good with the so-so.

Overall, I think the quality and craftsmanship of the new iBooks and Powerbooks has suffered a bit. The 12" iBook, arguably the most beautiful of Apple's notebooks, has become just in the last few months a homely shadow of its former self. The new cheap white pebbly-feel plastic keyboard area collects dirt and natural oils and quickly turns a lovely shade of beige after regular use.

Too bad...Just as we were beginning to gain some terrific momentum. I hope Steve reads this forum and takes note.

bikeboy
Mar 9, 2003, 08:36 AM
...what about performance specifications?

What I mean is, will the 15" PB continue to be the flagship model? or will the 17" take over as Apple's high end notebook?

I'm assuming that because it's the last to be upgraded, the 15" will be more advanced in some way(s) than the 12 and 15 PBs.

Do people generally agree? disagree? How might Apple push the envelope with the new 15"?

dabirdwell
Mar 9, 2003, 09:25 AM
My 12" is going back in the next couple of days and I'm trying to decide if the wait and couple hundred extra are worth it for the next 15" or if I should just get another 12".

If the 15" looks like this:

a 16:10 screen (I'm okay with the projected resolution)
and
64M Video Card
DDR
AE
BT
1+Ghz (Low Power Usage?)
Lit Keyboard
DVI out
4X Superdrive
80G Hard Drive?
New Enclosure
1G RAM

These would all be improvements on the Ti or advantages over the 12". I think it's worth the dollar difference easy as long as size isn't the crucial factor.

kdog
Mar 9, 2003, 12:44 PM
FYI - I noticed the 15" powerbooks were all missing from the Cambridge, MA Apple store this weekend. No comment from the sales clerks.

I hope these 15" models pack a real punch. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the 12" al-book. Basically a 'sexier' version of the iBook without much additional real-world power.

DHagan4755
Mar 9, 2003, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by kdog
FYI - I noticed the 15" powerbooks were all missing from the Cambridge, MA Apple store this weekend. No comment from the sales clerks.Forget about next month...I truly believe that new 15.4-inch PowerBooks are imminent. I know we've heard that they've been imminent since late-January. Consider, however, that Dell is likely to introduce yet another 15.4-inch widescreen model as a midrange model when the new Pentium-M chip debuts on Wednesday, March 12th. Might Apple try to counter announce? If supplies of the Titanium are, as someone posted here, constrained as the yet available 17-inch, in concert with the fact that the low-end PowerBook and high-end PowerBook sport both built-in Bluetooth and support for Airport Extreme, I think that leaves this middle PowerBook almost a no-brainer for an update soon.

Can anyone who's visited other Apple Stores around the country vouch for missing 15" Titanium display models in your respective stores?

Hawthorne
Mar 9, 2003, 02:58 PM
My take on this....

Originally posted by dabirdwell
My 12" is going back in the next couple of days and I'm trying to decide if the wait and couple hundred extra are worth it for the next 15" or if I should just get another 12".

If the 15" looks like this:

a 16:10 screen (I'm okay with the projected resolution) Probably
64M Video Card Doubtful. ATI is on Steve's *****list, it seems, they'll probably use the same card in the 12' and 17'.
DDR Probably
AE Definitely
BT Definitely
1+Ghz (Low Power Usage?) 1Ghz, yes, faster, no.
Lit Keyboard Definitely
DVI out Definitely
4X Superdrive Doubtful, 2x more likely
80G Hard Drive? Maybe
New Enclosure Definitely, similar to the 12' and 17'
1G RAMDoubtful. 512mb is more likely


This would bring the 15' into the same league as the 12' and 17' versions, and yet not blow either out of the water. I'd guess the price point would stay reasonably the same, too.
And I'm in the same boat, trying to decide between whether to buy in the next month whatever the updated 15' PB might be, or the 17' that I lust for now.

AhmedFaisal
Mar 9, 2003, 04:32 PM
More than anything else I want support for Bluetooth PCMCIA Cards. What does my Powerbook have a PC Card Slot for if not for a Bluetooth Card. The stupid D-Link dongle is an annoyance and it blocks a USB Port.

As for the Powerbook, lets hope they keep the Radeon, the NVIDIA sucks...
Ahmed

CrackedButter
Mar 9, 2003, 04:37 PM
I will now wait for this laptop i have no problem with this but since there are 2 15" PB's i think we will see 2 different models.

One will have all the same features (superdrive, keyboard, Gcard) as the 17" but at a 15" screen but the other 15"PB will have the same features as the 12" Superdrive there by losing its Superdrive, keyboard and possibly Gcard.



I want the 15" Super model with bells and whistles and have budgeted for it already!

However i could wait for the PCC970 as well with the time frame i have set out sincei am moving to NZ for a year next year.

edenwaith
Mar 9, 2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by ryan
I couldn't agree more. I just don't understand why people are so interested in this machine. Sure a 17" screen is nice, but the sacrifices that need to be made to put one in a laptop, not just in terms of size but in terms of weight (the 17" is nearly 2lbs heavier than the 15") makes it not worth it.

Ditto. Sure the 17" is big, and it would be nice, but realistically, I think my next laptop will be a 15" Powerbook. My 12" iBook has done a great job for me in the past year, but what impresses me with the Powerbooks is the nice monitor size. I don't think I need 17", plus the weight behind it. So a 15" would probably suit me just fine, especially with a DVD-ROM/CD-RW. I just don't need DVD burning capabilities, so having a DVD-ROM/CD-RW would provide for faster CD burning than a drive equipped with a Superdrive.

danman
Mar 10, 2003, 06:39 AM
What are the chance that the new 15 incher will use the updated G4.. specifically the reduced power consumption it brings and.. even more importantly, the bigger (512K) L2 cache - which will make a useful and significant impact on performance.

I am waiting to buy (using my company's computers for staff policy, that sees them paying 33% of the cost of a new computer for staff if it is to be used for work) especially waiting for AExtreme and built in bluetooth.. I only hope they don't downgrade the display size and use them GeForce chips...

Anybody have an idea on the 7457 though?

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 10, 2003, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
More than anything else I want support for Bluetooth PCMCIA Cards. What does my Powerbook have a PC Card Slot for if not for a Bluetooth Card. The stupid D-Link dongle is an annoyance and it blocks a USB Port.

you do realize that the 12" and 17" have built-in bluetooth don't you? no need for an adapter (pc card or usb).


What will be interesting is to see whether they will include FW800. The17" has it. The 12" doesn't. The powermacs have it. The iMacs don't.

The lack of FW800 on the 12" PB was a big reason I didn't buy one. The last powerbook i bought was the last mac built without FW. It was a major pain the next 4 years. I do not want to be stuck in that situation again. (The other reasons I didn't buy one was the poor graphics card, benchmarks which showed the ibook beat it in many tasks, 640MB RAM max, and upcoming PPC970 chips)

ColoJohnBoy
Mar 10, 2003, 10:30 AM
In response to the report that the Cambridge MA store is missing all their display TiBooks - If other stores are experiencing the same thing, it is likely that there could be an announcement of new 15.4" PowerBooks tomorrow. I used to work at an Apple Store here in Denver, and when we were switching out old floor models for new, we always did it in one night, so customers never saw a dissheveled store. Check the Cambridge MA store tomorrow to see.

The other possibility is that they were clearing for electrical work. At my store we frequently had problems with the power sources for the digital camera/camcorder stands. To me, though, this seems unlikely. Even if they were having electrical problems, there would be no reason to move the computers. Plus, they wouldn't move them until the electricians arrived - SJ is very anal-retentive about how the stores look.

If they don't come tomorrow, don't count on the PowerBooks until mid-May, or after 90% of the 17" models have shipped, and are available at an Apple reatil Store. While Apple isn't that great about keeping dates (SJ said at MWSF that the 17" models would start shipping in 2-3 weeks) they are VERY picky about marketing - it doesn't make sense to announce a new 15" before the 17" models have shipped.

yzedf
Mar 10, 2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by bikeboy
I'm assuming that because it's the last to be upgraded, the 15" will be more advanced in some way(s) than the 12 and 17 PBs.

One can only hope that the 15.x" will remain the hi-spec machine. 17" is too big to take on the road for sales presentations and such. More of a desktop replacement machine in my opinion. :::shrug:::

scem0
Mar 10, 2003, 04:31 PM
I'm glad someone is reinforcing the BT pro keyboard and mouse
rumors. I think a wireless pro keyboard and mouse would attract
more people to switch, and would look much nicer.

rt_brained
Mar 10, 2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
...it doesn't make sense to announce a new 15" before the 17" models have shipped.

Good point. There are enough people out there eagerly awaiting the release of the 17" who've been frustrated with the delay so far. Announcing the 15" now would only create longer waiting lists and frustrated customers endlessly calling to find out the status of their machines.

My guess is that they're working fervently to release the 15". But it doesn't "seem" make any sense for at this point for Apple to announce another machine in the new Powerbook lineup until the others are in the pipeline. There's rarely a justification for creating your own bad PR.

tompatros
Mar 10, 2003, 07:23 PM
I'm gonna playing the wishful-thinking optimist and hope that Apple has used their time getting the 17" PB ready to also get the new 15" PB ready as well. I agree that Apple has gotten a bit of egg on their face with the very long waiting lists for the 17". The could redeem themselves a bit by hitting the ground running with the new 15". But, again, don't "announce" anything with another 8-12 week delay, somehow I don't think that wins customers...

DHagan4755
Mar 10, 2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by tompatros
I'm gonna playing the wishful-thinking optimist and hope that Apple has used their time getting the 17" PB ready to also get the new 15" PB ready as well.A fair assumption. For the R&D Apple has at it's disposal to have both of these machines finalized at the same time makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by tompatros
They could redeem themselves a bit by hitting the ground running with the new 15". But, again, don't "announce" anything with another 8-12 week delay, somehow I don't think that wins customers... If they announce the 15", say tomorrow, it has to be available immediately or else it's going to lead to more frustrated and pissed customers.

Egg
Mar 12, 2003, 12:22 AM
I actually heard today, from a sales rep at one of the big computer wholesalers, that the 17" IS shipping, but that the Goverment put a hold on them, and is buying all of them for the Military. Never thought the Military used Macs. Could that be true?

legacyb4
Mar 12, 2003, 02:43 AM
at least out here in Japan...

Bic Camera has started to sell the 12" Superdrive model (640MB/40GB) at the same price as Apple Store Japan AND you get a 10% discount in points back...

Which means JPY273,600 minus 10% which brings price down to close to US$2,000 for the top of the line model without AppleCare.

BicBic.com Pricing (http://www.bicbic.com/bicbic/app/w?SCREEN_ID=bw011100&fnc=f&ActionType=bw011100_01&PRODUCT_ID=0010007083&BUY_PRODUCT=0010007083,273600)

Signs of either really slow sales, or maybe an early shot at clearing inventory?

Cheers.

Stelliform
Mar 12, 2003, 12:27 PM
Not that I want to hurt apple, but each day that they 15" is delayed makes me happier with my 15" I bought in November. :) Now that I have 3 solid months under my belt with it I am ok if they release an update. I would have been perturbed if they had a new 15 in January though. The latest I can see a delay would be May. Giving the November model 6 months of life. And like it has been said before, I really doubt we will hear anything until the 17" orders are mostly filled. (Like 3 weeks after it starts shipping.)

Just my 2 cents.

Grimace
Mar 12, 2003, 01:52 PM
So given that most people think the 15.x" will ship after the 17" PBs finally emerge, does anyone have a substantiated idea of when the 17s will ship? :confused:

yzedf
Mar 13, 2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by legacyb4
at least out here in Japan...

Bic Camera has started to sell the 12" Superdrive model (640MB/40GB) at the same price as Apple Store Japan AND you get a 10% discount in points back...

Which means JPY273,600 minus 10% which brings price down to close to US$2,000 for the top of the line model without AppleCare.

BicBic.com Pricing (http://www.bicbic.com/bicbic/app/w?SCREEN_ID=bw011100&fnc=f&ActionType=bw011100_01&PRODUCT_ID=0010007083&BUY_PRODUCT=0010007083,273600)

Signs of either really slow sales, or maybe an early shot at clearing inventory?

Cheers.

My guess is that the 12" PB is not selling well in Japan. It is too big. 10.4" and no optical drive would prolly be a hit, IMO.

crankopotamus
Mar 15, 2003, 06:01 AM
I ordered my 15" TiBook two weeks ago. Not quite ready to let go of OS 9 just yet, don'tcha know. Anyway, Apple was e-mailing me every two days to tell me my ship date had been delayed another two days, and I was convinced they were going to announce the ALbook and cancel my order. But it finally shipped yesterday, from the factory in Taiwan.

This tells us... nothing, really, except that they are still making the titanium, and the supply delays are just that. It doesn't mean they don't have a parallel assembly line ramping up to make a 15" aluminum, or already making it. Anybody familiar with their manufacturing process?

-crankopotamus

=====

I touched AlphaTech's motorcycle once. Does that make me cool?

Rasmus
Mar 15, 2003, 12:22 PM
Hm. Take a look at this:

http://rasmusandersson.com/rp13/stuff/pb15creen_rumor.txt

jlemon
Mar 19, 2003, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by rt_brained
But if you could instead get a brand-new top-of-the-line 15" TiBook 1GHz/512/60/Superdrive for $1,799.00, plus (mandatory) Applecare warranty for an extra $200.00, would you cave?

Probably, but where are you getting a brand new 1 GHz TiBook w/ superdrive at that price?

Abstract
Mar 21, 2003, 08:11 PM
They're probably producing the new AluPB 15" right now, but don't want to say anything yet because of the 2 month delay of the 17" AlPB. The 17" PB are shipping late March/early April. Well, the Apple retailer at my school is. :p

xenotek
Mar 22, 2003, 01:58 AM
Hmm... seems like the link Rasmus posted has been since taken down. What was it?

On a different note, I've read all of the speculation regarding the new 15 (15.4?) inch notebooks and I am still quite confused as to why Apple would release the 15PBs after the 17s. Generally speaking, new computer updates tend to leave the previous ones in the dust, but this doesnt seem like a smart move. A 15inch PB with high screen res and lots of droolworthy bells and whistles would surely piss off everyone who bought a 17 and ultimately undermine its sales so I think we can safely assume that won't happen. On the other hand, a 15 with so-so screen res and the expected options would probably be a lackluster machine in comparison to the 12 that's already available. What gives? :confused:

Rasmus
Mar 22, 2003, 09:02 AM
Well, I think it will have a lower res than before (1280x800) and the main upgrades will be faster FSB, DDR333 RAM, FW800 and of cause some good aluminium. I don't think people want higer screenres than 1280x800 on a monitor this small. Maybe they should put some more pixels in the y-direction. Hm. We'll see soon.