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dogbone
Jul 20, 2006, 11:06 PM
There's a chap on ebay who bought a copy of Jampack world music a couple of months ago, link (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=171&item=8805226667).

He then sold it at a profit. link (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9725985614).

So far so good. But then he sold it again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9737980092) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=300001993499) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=300005008432) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9733119627) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9737980095) and again. (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9737980096) Phew.

Now I wrote to eBay about this and they told me they really didn't care and that if I have concerns I should inform the copyright owner. But looking on apple's website there is no way to contact them except by phoning them from Australia which I don't want to do. So I emailed them at goapple.com with my concerns and hoped they'd pass it on to the relevant department. They wrote back saying "Please contact Apple at 408.996.1010 for further information."

I answered that I'm in Australia and I don't want to pay for a call to America and would they be able to forward my original email to the right dept or give me an email address that I can write to regarding the copyright infringment.

They wrote back "We apologize, but our team is unable to assist you with this request, as we only have information within the Americas." But they still would not give me an email address I could write to. All the contacts on the Apple website just lead to articles and the like.

Btw, it's still in sale.

Coolnat2004
Jul 20, 2006, 11:19 PM
You might want to call Apple through Skype (http://www.skype.com). It includes free calling to the US until November or something.. despite what the website says.

Silencio
Jul 20, 2006, 11:21 PM
Try writing to the top of the food chain: steve at apple dot com. I've read plenty of stories about people who had some sort of (legitimate) problem or other, and writing to Steve's address resulted in the appropriate underling being dispatched to solve the issue posthaste. There've even been a few reports of personal replies from The Steve himself...

dejo
Jul 20, 2006, 11:25 PM
Perhaps try the SIIA Anti-Piracy - Report Piracy (http://www.siia.net/piracy/report.asp) page?

Based on the success of "Dead Man's Chest" lately, you might not get much help. Pirates are cool right now. ;)

trainguy77
Jul 20, 2006, 11:47 PM
How do you know he does not have a legitimate source for these items? As it does say non burned copy. You would have to contact the buyer to confirm that.

mromero
Jul 20, 2006, 11:58 PM
There's a chap on ebay who bought a copy of Jampack world music a couple of months ago, link (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=171&item=8805226667).

He then sold it at a profit. link (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9725985614).

So far so good. But then he sold it again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9737980092) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=300001993499) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=300005008432) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9733119627) and again (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9737980095) and again. (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=9737980096) Phew.

Now I wrote to eBay about this and they told me they really didn't care and that if I have concerns I should inform the copyright owner. But looking on apple's website there is no way to contact them except by phoning them from Australia which I don't want to do. So I emailed them at goapple.com with my concerns and hoped they'd pass it on to the relevant department. They wrote back saying "Please contact Apple at 408.996.1010 for further information."

I answered that I'm in Australia and I don't want to pay for a call to America and would they be able to forward my original email to the right dept or give me an email address that I can write to regarding the copyright infringment.

They wrote back "We apologize, but our team is unable to assist you with this request, as we only have information within the Americas." But they still would not give me an email address I could write to. All the contacts on the Apple website just lead to articles and the like.

Btw, it's still in sale.
Did you give this a try?

http://www.apple.com/legal/contacts.html

dogbone
Jul 21, 2006, 12:01 AM
Did you give this a try?

http://www.apple.com/legal/contacts.html

Nope, didn't see that. Thanks. Maybe it would be a good idea to put the legal contacts with all the other contacts on the contact page.

OutThere
Jul 21, 2006, 01:17 AM
If you report it at: http://www.bsa.org/

It says you could be eligible for up to a $200,000 reward. :D

Bill Gates
Jul 21, 2006, 01:29 AM
How do you know he does not have a legitimate source for these items? As it does say non burned copy. You would have to contact the buyer to confirm that.
It says that it isn't a burnt copy in the seller's initial auction for the disc. However, on subsequent listings, he does not state the condition of the disc.

DevilsRejection
Jul 21, 2006, 01:36 AM
why do you have to be a rat? what do you think you are, an internet cowboy in the world wide west?

Bill Gates
Jul 21, 2006, 01:43 AM
why do you have to be a rat? what do you think you are, an internet cowboy in the world wide west?
Why don't you use your head for a moment. Piracy hurts us all. It drives up prices and decreases profits. Not only that, some unsuspecting buyer could purchase the software expecting for it to be unused and legitimate. If he's willing to spend the time to contact Apple then you ought to thank him rather than chastise him.

JackSYi
Jul 21, 2006, 01:43 AM
Yeah, no activation. Thank god.

Henri Gaudier
Jul 21, 2006, 02:24 AM
... when the global corp doesn't give a toss? Christ! with all your moral indignation I'd hate to be your neighbour. Leave it alone.

As for the piracy argument - prove it. When CDR's came out there was a tax on your "future copy-write crimes" and so Phillips organised a law where it and the other big players could charge more for the blank discs but with the understanding that the performing rights society would receive the money earned to distribute amongst their members. And guess what? They never gave a penny. And even if they did it would have been only for the big millionaire chart acts.

I've lived in London and there they have over a million CCTV cameras on the metro, busses, streets. Everywhere. You are checked out by software to match your face to databases, by computer cameras to see if you fit a profile of walking or moving in a suspicious manner and more. As you can imagine shoplifting is near zero on the big shopping streets like Oxford St. No one has ever said "This year our prices will go down/stay the same due to the success of our anti theft measures/police state" And you never will find anyone saying it. It's take take take. And look at Apple with Shake - instantly dropping it from 3000 to 500 overnight. It just shows you how arbitrary pricing can be. It's whatever the market will bear. There are DV cams in France that I can find in the USA for 70% less. This is there morality. It's got nothing to do with piracy, manufacturing costs it's whatever they can get away with. Apple is so big, so rich, so impenetrable -it wouldn't even help Mr Morality to help themselves.

dogbone
Jul 21, 2006, 02:33 AM
why do you have to be a rat? what do you think you are, an internet cowboy in the world wide west?

Of course I understand your sentiment. I have no hesitation to put my put my copy of tiger that came with my new eMac onto my old eMac that came with Panther. I also have no concerns about loading Painter onto both machines in my house for my own use.

Who knows, I may even buy a copy of the pirate WMjampack :)

However in this case my main complaint is actually with eBay, not the pirate. I think eBay should take some responsibility for this. I expect Apple to go after eBay who are a corporate company that is profiting through their fees, not the seller.

Indirectly eBay is ripping off Apple. And I'm not comfortable with that.

DevilsRejection
Jul 21, 2006, 03:06 AM
Indirectly eBay is ripping off Apple. And I'm not comfortable with that.

because god knows apple needs all the extra money it can get for to expand it's product testing facilities.

or do they even even have one?

dogbone
Jul 21, 2006, 03:24 AM
because god knows apple needs all the extra money ...

Like eBay are short of a dollar.

What have eBay ever done for me? (apart from giving me the opportunity to buy a new emac in an unopened box for $400 less than new). (And the chance to get a bootleg copy of JPWM for a tenner?)

JFreak
Jul 21, 2006, 03:37 AM
If you report it at: http://www.bsa.org/

It says you could be eligible for up to a $200,000 reward. :D

Now that'd be an easy way to make money. Just skim through the ebay and let all pirates burn :D :D :D

andym172
Jul 21, 2006, 03:37 AM
I contacted Apple a while ago about an Apple reseller in Thailand selling copied versions of Tiger (when it was recently released).

The cheeky buggers even tried to pass off a used iBook as being brand new (un-touched).

Apple showed no interest.

cb31
Jul 21, 2006, 04:09 AM
I have no hesitation to put my put my copy of tiger that came with my new eMac onto my old eMac that came with Panther.Is that kind of thing possible with OSX? I noticed on one of the agreements with my new iMac that Apple will actively pursue people who load an OS onto another machine, is this not really true?

skunk
Jul 21, 2006, 04:16 AM
Is that kind of thing possible with OSX? I noticed on one of the agreements with my new iMac that Apple will actively pursue people who load an OS onto another machine, is this not really true?How would we know?:rolleyes:

Mord
Jul 21, 2006, 05:10 AM
for people bitching about this; this is the type of piracy which is downright bad seeing as it's conning people into buying pirated software which is just as illegal as downloading it themselves but they are paying for the honor, now if i wanted to try out the jam packs sure i'd pirate them to try them out, i'd never buy them i don't even have garageband installed on my macbook.

the fact is that the guy is a leach making money by deception.

yg17
Jul 21, 2006, 08:17 AM
The reason Apple doesn't care is because it would cost them more to sue the guy than to let it go.

celebrian23
Jul 21, 2006, 09:21 AM
The reason Apple doesn't care is because it would cost them more to sue the guy than to let it go.

my exact thoughts. the time they would have to put in wouldn't be worth the effort. Piracy is so commonn now that stopping a couple guys isn't worth it. I'm not saying I like piracy (quite the opposite really) but it makes sense why the big corporations do nothing about it

yellow
Jul 21, 2006, 09:27 AM
or do they even even have one?

That's so petty of you. Thanks for coming out.

i.Feature
Jul 21, 2006, 09:28 AM
Dogbone don't care about grammar.

Sorry. I tried to ignore it. I really did.

bradc
Jul 21, 2006, 12:11 PM
I don't know about Apple but Microsoft constantly buys things off E-bay to check for piracy and each month they publicly announce their lawsuits and who it is against! They even say for what, where and their full name!

dogbone
Jul 21, 2006, 09:06 PM
The reason Apple doesn't care is because it would cost them more to sue the guy than to let it go.

I'm suggesting Apple go after Ebay, not the seller.


Dogbone don't care about grammar.

Sorry. I tried to ignore it. I really did.

There's nothing wrong with the grammar. For example when referring to Apple one uses the pronoun "they", not "she". Therefore: 'they don't...'

i.Feature
Jul 21, 2006, 09:57 PM
There's nothing wrong with the grammar. For example when referring to Apple one uses the pronoun "they", not "she". Therefore: 'they don't...'

Apple is not a collective. Apple is a company. A company is a singlular entity. Therefore:

Apple does not or doesn't

If it had stated Apple employees. That would be another story.

dogbone
Jul 22, 2006, 06:22 AM
@i.Feature

I'm sure that if you refer to an authority in these matters you will find that either “don't” or “doesn't” are equally correct in this case.

'Apple does not care' or 'They (Apple) do not care'