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liketom
Jul 31, 2006, 07:54 AM
I wonder if Tony asked Steve when the Movie store is opening up in the UK :rolleyes:

PCMacUser
Jul 31, 2006, 07:57 AM
I wonder if Tony asked Steve when the Movie store is opening up in the UK :rolleyes:
Hahah the answer would be 'never'...

Sayer
Jul 31, 2006, 09:20 AM
The secret to unbridled success in the private sector is a (federal-level) government that stays out of the way - something the UK/EU would find anathema at this point.

You can't regulate your way to success, you have to let it out to run free. The free market will reward risk takers and punish the crooks, if you let it.

Mord
Jul 31, 2006, 09:25 AM
funny that, becuse the NHS costs us half the cost of health insurence in the US and everyone has access to it, not just those wealthy enough to have it.

if you want the UK to be more like the US your preaching to an empty crowd, the right wing here is more corrupt than the left wing.

it has nothing to do with being a welfare state seeing as the IT industry has zero ties with the government in that manner.

PlaceofDis
Jul 31, 2006, 09:30 AM
interesting article, if a bit short on the details.

makes me wonder what Jobs told him though since its not stated.

pianojoe
Jul 31, 2006, 09:31 AM
"Unbridled success" vs. "regulation"? It's remarkable how the U.S. only come in 10th when comparing the standard of living ("human development index"). Of those nine countries who do better than the U.S., six are European.

Sorry.

Mord
Jul 31, 2006, 09:36 AM
freedom from government where civil liberties are concerned is always a good thing, but certain things like healthcare, garbage disposal and a basic standard of living should be provided, privatization has always ended in disaster in the UK and the government bailing the corps out just as they do in the US.

i'm happy to say that my standard of liveing is above and beyond what someone in my financial and personal situation would be in the US (this is from personal experience, i'm not pulling some poor american family stereotype from my ass).

JRM PowerPod
Jul 31, 2006, 09:57 AM
"Unbridled success" vs. "regulation"? It's remarkable how the U.S. only come in 10th when comparing the standard of living ("human development index"). Of those nine countries who do better than the U.S., six are European.

Sorry.

We Aussies sit at 3, behind Norway and Iceland. But i live in the city voted 'most livable' for quite a few times, Melbourne, no not Melbourne, FLORIDA. Sometimes i think we forget how well off we are down under.

Maybe Tony just wanted the specs on the Mac Pro. If i were Tony i would have asked

whooleytoo
Jul 31, 2006, 10:06 AM
"Unbridled success" vs. "regulation"? It's remarkable how the U.S. only come in 10th when comparing the standard of living ("human development index"). Of those nine countries who do better than the U.S., six are European.

Amazingly (to me at least) a recent study here showed the Irish - per capita - are the second richest in the world, after the Japanese. I think this is at least party due to Ireland occupying a middle ground (metaphorically!) between the relatively unregulated, low tax policies of the US and the regulated, more socialist policies of mainland Europe.

Although our tax rates are higher than the US, they're considerably lower than much of Europe, in particular our corporate tax rate is very low inviting foreign investment here. Plus, the loosening of the regulations in many marketplaces is seeding more competition here.

Anyhow, back on topic - it is funny how the UK hasn't spawned such an innovative giant. They have the people with ideas - Tim Berners Lee, Jonathan Ives for example, but seem to lack the skill set/resources to build a successful business around them. Could the lack of significant venture capital in the UK be a factor?

Ugg
Jul 31, 2006, 11:52 AM
Amazingly (to me at least) a recent study here showed the Irish - per capita - are the second richest in the world, after the Japanese. I think this is at least party due to Ireland occupying a middle ground (metaphorically!) between the relatively unregulated, low tax policies of the US and the regulated, more socialist policies of mainland Europe.

Although our tax rates are higher than the US, they're considerably lower than much of Europe, in particular our corporate tax rate is very low inviting foreign investment here. Plus, the loosening of the regulations in many marketplaces is seeding more competition here.

Anyhow, back on topic - it is funny how the UK hasn't spawned such an innovative giant. They have the people with ideas - Tim Berners Lee, Jonathan Ives for example, but seem to lack the skill set/resources to build a successful business around them. Could the lack of significant venture capital in the UK be a factor?

Ireland proves that by some belt tightening, a little help from your friends (hefty EU subsidies) and not allowing religion to rule the public sphere, it is possible for a backward nation to get ahead.

The main reason that Hollywood is what it is around the world is due to how they finance movies. It involves a great deal of risk and when it comes to the final product, only the most commercially successful get the funding. The only artistic movies made in the US are generally small budget and self-financed. Europe relies on public companies to finance its movies. Companies that don't necessarily have to make a profit so they're willing to take more risk. US movies are generally like food at McDonalds, lots of hype, lots of calories but low in nutrition. The opposite generally holds true for European movies.

My point is that unbridled capitalism has its advantages but the result can be pretty tasteless. Europe isn't short on innovation, just risk taking.

whooleytoo
Jul 31, 2006, 11:58 AM
Ireland proves that by some belt tightening, a little help from your friends (hefty EU subsidies) and not allowing religion to rule the public sphere, it is possible for a backward nation to get ahead.


Fair points (especially about the EU subsidies), but I don't understand the reference to religion. Where does religion present an impediment to economic development?

elmerfudd
Jul 31, 2006, 12:10 PM
Britain had a triving 'silicon valley' around cambridge in the 80's. Remember the BBC Micro (had one), the sinclair spectrum... the only thing that survives from all that is the ARM processor used in many hand-held devices. The problem was that europe's corporations in the 80's were divided into national ghettos and you couldn't get advanced technology to lift up to to the larger EU market. Anybody remembers France Minitel? The EU has a current population of 461M if we can get a free market that helps innovative ideas spread to all corners of the EU we will do better than Silicon Valley this time. But I don't see Britain getting in the fold anytime soon or indeed any of the 'old Europe' stopping from protecting (strangling?) national 'corporations'.:eek:

Mord
Jul 31, 2006, 12:12 PM
europe could totaly overtake the US if we had the will to work together, both economically technologically and militarily, i wander how the US would react to such growth.

iMeowbot
Jul 31, 2006, 12:25 PM
So all Tony has to do is keep a blog, and vast riches will come flowing into the country's borders! Yep, that was certainly worth flying halfway around the world to hear.

jholzner
Jul 31, 2006, 01:57 PM
europe could totaly overtake the US if we had the will to work together, both economically technologically and militarily, i wander how the US would react to such growth.

bombs

MacsRgr8
Jul 31, 2006, 04:33 PM
europe could totaly overtake the US if we had the will to work together, both economically technologically and militarily, i wander how the US would react to such growth.

That's why we will not overtake the US.

We have too many differences....

Having almost 300 million people more or less share a country (US), or having more than 300 million people populate some 45 countries, speaking a dozen different languages (Europe) makes alot of difference.

If we try to cooperate, we can make beautiful things: Concorde, Airbus to name a few.
But the world dominating computer force comes from the US: Mac. :D

Mord
Jul 31, 2006, 04:36 PM
when you had your war none of the states were that well armed, the whole ww1 in europe thing was too bloody for any one side to ever take over and nationalise the nation.

it'll happen some time, and america will fight long and hard to try and stop it.

americas national language was almost french, thier really are very few differences other than in america outright victory over the nation was possible.

MacsRgr8
Jul 31, 2006, 04:50 PM
If Europe were ever to start all over, we could be another US.

But for that to happen we have to wipe ourselves out (we have tried that twice, but couldn't succeed). The history of Europe is the history of wars.

England got its act together after 1066, but continental Europe never did that. It has been a mess right up until WW I. But even that couldn't stop us trying it a second time: WW II.
Now, after WW II we are still devided. We keep trying to create a united Europe, but no one wants it really. Look at the polls of a couple of years ago regarding one European constitution... oef!

We all love being nationalistic. Why else have a European Championship Football tournament?

Doesn't matter IMHO, I don't mind the US being the military superpower.
I also don't mind their technological superiority. Thanks to that most of us speak English and can communicate on boards like MacRumors.

elmerfudd
Jul 31, 2006, 05:34 PM
If Europe were ever to start all over, we could be another US.

But for that to happen we have to wipe oursleves out (we have tried that twice, but couldn't succeed). The history of Europe is the history of wars.

England got its act together after 1066, but continental Europe never did that. It has been a mess right up until WW I. But even that couldn't stop us trying it a second time: WW II.
Now, after WW II we are still devided. We keep trying to create a united Europe, but no one wants it really. Look at the polls of a couple of years ago regarding one European constitution... oef!

We all love being nationalistic. Why else have a European Championship Football tournament?

Doesn't matter IMHO, I don't mind the US being the military superpower.
I also don't mind their technological superiority. Thanks to that most of us speak English and can communicate on boards like MacRumors.

tish tosh. europe was a great super power that created the Pax Romana, around the mediterranean sea, britain was just a barbaric back water back then... Europe alas conquered the world. Whilst the English were busy struggling to keep a pity island united under one king, the francs had the whole of Europe to contend with. Whilst Britain was trying to get out of its forgotten corner of europe, the spanish, dutch and portughese where navigating and colonising the world. Britain just followed in the footsteps of her predecessors.
The EU is creating a European identity amongst mobile students who are increasingly taking advantage of the many educational incentives available. I hope we don't have to wait to long before the old generation's mentality dies and the European spirit rises above regional borders.

Mord
Jul 31, 2006, 05:45 PM
not that i'm proud of it or anything but the british empire was the largest the world has ever seen, we pretty much owned 1/3 of the world.

elmerfudd
Aug 1, 2006, 09:50 AM
not that i'm proud of it or anything but the british empire was the largest the world has ever seen, we pretty much owned 1/3 of the world.

let's put it in the guiness book of records. there were longer lasting ones as well...

Mord
Aug 1, 2006, 09:55 AM
~runs off to check guinness book of records~



mmm guinness, ~drinks~:http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8302/2107062250mq8.jpg

nope, theirs no entry, but according to wikipedia and my history teacher it was the largest.

mkaake
Aug 2, 2006, 07:57 AM
Kudos for what has to be the *most* off topic thread I've seen here in a long time.m

MacsRgr8
Aug 2, 2006, 08:00 AM
Gr8!

From Blair's search of success to the History of the World.... Part 1. :D

I love being off-topic! :p