Apple 30inch LCD?

[MacRumors]

MacWhispers claims (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000048.php) that Apple is working on a 30-inch Cinema Display with a resolution of 2400x1500.

This echoes an anonymous report that appeared on MacRumors' Rumor Reject (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/01/20030101214437.shtml) list in late 2002, as well as a recent unconfirmed report.

Two other "Rumor Reject" items turned out to be based in reality -- with early talk of an Apple Branded Presentation Software, which turned out to be Keynote, as well as early talk of an Apple Music service, which appears more likely with recent rumors.

[vanillamike]

30" that would be amazing!!!

Mike

1st post!!! sweet

[mymemory]

They say that everything comes from a dissatisfaction with you penins size. Tharefore some people would like things biger and biger and biger...

Sorry about the spelling.

[ianimate3d]

Wow, I can't imagine a 30" display.. the 23" is amazing.. this would be so cool if true. Only time will tell.

[trilogic]

my dreams would come true:D

[synthetickittie]

ya all I gotta say is DAMMMM if this is true

[mangoman]

When it hits 40", I'll buy, and make it my DVD screen in my bedroom.

:p

[jimjiminyjim]

We'll need bluetooth keyboards to get far enough away from the screen! Sweet!

[iloveMac]

I want one !!!

[applemacdude]

It's gonna happen. I've have confirmed it from a friend of a friend that works @ apple.

[jch200]

We'll need bluetooth keyboards to get far enough away from the screen! Sweet!

Ha! that's hilarious.

[timbloom]

I privately heard about this rumor a couple of months ago, and I did not believe it, but I did now hear it from a rumor site and told nobody, so now hearing it here in conjunction with what I had heard before, increases the chance of it being true 10-fold. Well, I don't see what somebody would need with a 30" exept maybe some self-help dealing with personal insecurities.

[Codemonkey]

Could it be that this will be more than a 30" "monitor"? It seems to me (and a few other editorial writers lately seem to agree) that the TV is an integral part of our lifestyle these days... offering a 30" flat panel doesn't seem too useful as a traditional 'monitor', but does fit in the trendy Apple user's loft apartment as a boobtube replacement.

Coax cable-in, recordable TV ability, DVD and other entertainment all on the livingroom "tube" seems like the logical next step...

Plus you could sit the whole unit in a slightly modified iMac base, and the base would act as the stand.

My 2 coppers...

[MacManiac1224]

I remember seeing this on MacOSrumors a couple of months ago, I dismissed it becasue it was MOSR, but maybe it could be true, looks like Apple wants to compete with SGI.

[Mudbug]

But I fear the cost...
I'd love that setup but $3000 for a computer, then another $4000 (or whatever - who knows...) for the monitor, and then add software, etc.

That's pretty staggering.
But what the hay - that's why I've got credit cards, right?

How about adding in a digital HD tuner and making it a viable TV option as well?

[PyroTurtle]

the audio community will love it!
and i hope it can replace my TV ;) make it HDTV compatible! or have phillips make that part, make bluetooth extreme and have it stream tv wirelessly! ::insert evil laughter here::
or maybe firewire extreme or something that's just plain fun like that....
oh the possiblities...'
so i say...
BRING IT ON!

[FCPnewbie]

You stole my thunder man. I was thinking about the cost too. But what do I know? I'm a poor college kid. Still... I'd hate to know how much.

[mk_in_mke]

I use the 22" Flat screen and I have to say that it is really cool... Now - and if this rumors is based on SOLID elements - this new screen would open the door to serious presentations in companies (design capabilities:11x17 for instance)...

Whoever suggested that this is the missing link in the DIgital hub is not wrong at all and making a very good point when you know that a cable box could be attached to a screen via an USB...

My only question is : this is a HIgh End device and as such I am expecting the price to be... High...

I would definitely put this rumor in the VERY PROBABLE ones...

My 2 cents,

Have a great weekend guys!

Mk

[esome]

I think that being able to afford a 30"monitor would make me happier than actually owning one but the cool factor is obviously through the roof here.

My question though, is there an industry that actually needs moniters that large? Like I know that lots of folks in the pre-press and design industries need to be able to hold adjacent page displays on their monitor simultaneously. Would a 30 incher satisfy some particular industry need or niche, or is this just for wealthy geeks and the like?

[moosecat]

If Apple really wants to turn its computers into digital hubs, eventually they will have to be used like TVs. That's the value of a 30" LCD to me -- it makes it feasible to truly use your computer as a "hub" on which you will watch movies and television, as well as listen to music, etc.

Granted, the price will be prohibitive, but couple the big screen with the right software, you'll get a few early adopters on board and pave the way for the rest of us.

[jayscheuerle]

At 30", you'd be turning your head, not just your eyes and the sides of the screen would not be perpendicular to your line of sight (unless you were sitting back a distance, but then what's the point. A slightly concave screen would be a neat idea, with a focal point about 2' away. Yes, I have to turn my head to see the rightmost of my second monitor, but it's at least turned towards me.

But it would be the biggest one out there and that's probably what Apple would be hoping to claim, not a usefulness advantage...

[Xerov]

has anyone heard anything on the radio about apple's music service!? I do believe that I heard something about it on a local station....but I was slightly incoherent to say the least. Has anyone else heard anything on the radio?

[skunk]

I'm gonna have to get me a new desk :D

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by moosecat
If Apple really wants to turn its computers into digital hubs, eventually they will have to be used like TVs. That's the value of a 30" LCD to me -- it makes it feasible to truly use your computer as a "hub" on which you will watch movies and television, as well as listen to music, etc.


Bad idea. Keep the computer as the digital hub and s-video (or signal) out to a regular TV or HDTV. Nobody want's to sit around the computer station to watch a 30" movie, not when you have a TV in your living room.

[tjwett]

i hope to god it will be able to be hung on a wall like a plasma tv. i like the design of the current displays, i have one, but something like this needs to be more than just desktop monitor. this would become my main screen for the whole house, tv, computer, video games, etc. maybe we will start to see the Apple/Phillips connection start to materialize with more home entertainment based products. perhaps the new music service will tie in to some sort of rendesvous-equipped digital a/v receiver from Phillips/Apple. i'd love to have a rack full of Apple equipment controlling all my home theater doings.

[beatle888]

Originally posted by timbloom
Well, I don't see what somebody would need with a 30" exept maybe some self-help dealing with personal insecurities.


:rolleyes:

[trebblekicked]

i bought into the gateway destination thing five years ago. it came with a 36" monitor, which i thought was the greatest thing in the world. until i tried to use it. it's simply too big. you would have to sit back from the screen (in my case about five feet back) and working on the computer became very, very agrivating. i still use the destination as an entertainment center, but as a computer it's dead. At a resolution that high, you couldn't sit back and still read the scree, and a screen that big you can't just sit at a desk and have it three inches in front of your face.
if apple releases a 30", i expect it to be part of a destination-type system. you'd need wireless keyboard/mouse to allow people to sit on their couch, include an eye-tv type program, and a small form factor on the computer itself (think cube-ish. plasma tv's have a box about the size and shape of a cube, if i'm not mistaken).

[mymemory]

30" Apple LCD + Sony relationships = ¿?, but will be nice:)

[kjottbein]

30"?!! hmm. way too big if you ask me. I can't believe there's enough of a market for that kind of size, at least not from Apple. But maybe they'll be Windows compatible?

It does open up for a lot of good day-dreaming, though. Especially if paired with some other rumours that's been going around.

There was something about Apple and Sony playing together - imagine Playstation 3 on this 30"! And Apple has grazed this market before, remember the Pippin?

Also, I think I heard something about TiVo and Apple? That was maybe just about having the Mac send pics from iPhoto to the TiVo via Bluetooth or something, but i'd rather watch TV on my Mac (I already do with my Eye TV, but...) than watch pictures on my TV.

This could also fit in with «the year of the laptop». Why not eliminate the desktop computer entirely, just hav one of these 30" babies at home (or at the office - or both!) and connect your powerbook (wirelessly?)

If Apple really is coming out with a 30" monitor, it will be interesting to see how they will be marketing it. The 22" and 23" have been almost exclusively targeted at video professionals and to a certain extent graphic designers, lay-out and maybe architects? It has not been hyped as a lifestyle product, not even after they dumped the prices, although it certainly has the potential.
Maybe that will change with this new product?

[kjottbein]

Originally posted by mymemory
30" Apple LCD + Sony relationships = ¿?, but will be nice:)


oops! you beat me to it, while I was typing.

[faustfire]

There are people who could use a 30 inch screen,
I work on a 22 inch cinema and it is often still to small. When working with programs such as final cut, boris red, and most often after effects, i find that the timelines can become so complex that any extra space is a lifesaver. I dont see much of a demand from the home consumer for a product like this, but for the video and design professional this product would be ideal.

[rugby]

A 30" screen would rock. I would try and get one, although I could never afford it until they were in the refurbed pile at a store. Anyways, I really wouldn't want to watch regular tv on it either, can you imagine how small a 640x480 window would look on a screen of that resolution? HDTV I could see, but then it would require service and people would bitch if it cost extra.

Apple might want to make the OS adjustable with font size and menu bar sizes if the screen is going to be this big. I can't imagine how tiny all the words would be on it.

[gelbin]

if i remember right, the destination was trash because the resolution sucked - it just had big ass pixels - so it was limited in its use

[Keness]

I imagine there is quite a difference between 36" 4:3 display and a 30" 16:10 display... I have a feeling that 30" 16:10 would probably be about as big as you can get for general on-desk use, though.

I can easily see the 36" crt display as being 'too big', the fact that it was 4:3 and ALSO bigger to boot means that it was surely much more of a beast.

[chewbaccapits]

Originally posted by mymemory
They say that everything comes from a dissatisfaction with you penins size. Tharefore some people would like things biger and biger and biger...

Sorry about the spelling.


LOL....Once you go MAC you never go back. This should be the new APPLE ad....

[nickmcghie]

geez.. to all you guys complaining that the screen size is TOO BIG, ever think that maybe it wasn't designed for YOU?? there are lots of different markets to be catered to, and i'm SURE that SOME people out there will find a 30" screen very useful.. those will also be the same ppl who can actually afford the new screen.. so quit yer whining and stop being so self-centered.. not everything apple does must satisfy you personally! ;)

[railthinner]

I agree this is way too big for most people, but I'd love to have two of these sitting next to each other for audio work. Just a fantasy I'm afraid. You could view plugins, instruments, waveforms, mixer, sequence, etc. all at once without flipping through window sets. awesome.

[unreg]

Don't forget CAD and music composition. A full orchestral score needs alot of screen. If you have ever done a large (or detailed) CAD drawing, zooming in and out is a big time waster.

[kjottbein]

Originally posted by nickmcghie
geez.. to all you guys complaining that the screen size is TOO BIG, ever think that maybe it wasn't designed for YOU?? there are lots of different markets to be catered to, and i'm SURE that SOME people out there will find a 30" screen very useful.. those will also be the same ppl who can actually afford the new screen.. so quit yer whining and stop being so self-centered.. not everything apple does must satisfy you personally! ;)


right. but i'd hate to see apple having to discontinue a product like this after investing both time and money in it. it will make them look bad, and set them back financially. a product has to have a certain sustainability to be profitable, and i honestly think that there aren't that many who actually needs this, and even fewer who can afford it.

then again, if someone can sell a 30" monitor, it's apple.

but i'd much rather see them make an affordable widescreen 17" to replace the current 4:3 17"

oh and a bluetooth iPod to be controlled with Sony Ericsson Clicker :cool:

[synergy]

Slap a tuner on to that 30" screen put it on the wall, and yeah I would love one provided the price is right.

More and more people use the computer more than they watch TV. Something like this helps propel that transition. Watch your DVDs in progressive glory.

[network23]

:mad: TOO SMALL!!!

I'll just wait for Apple to release their 4800x2412 projector with a gallon of Theater-white paint. The freaking WALL will be MY display!

Mwahahahahahahahaha!

No size issues here! Nope. No way.

[evoluzione]

if it is true, forget about buying a 42" plasma idiotbox, just get one of these things and plug it into the stereo, cable etc and kick off yer shoes, sit back and relax in front of a screen that is better than HDTV. hmmm

[waterbouy]

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Bad idea. Keep the computer as the digital hub and s-video (or signal) out to a regular TV or HDTV. Nobody want's to sit around the computer station to watch a 30" movie, not when you have a TV in your living room.

My current TV is only 20" and a 4:3 - though it is a digital picture (early adopter Panasonic from 1987). I think a 30" Cinema display would work quite nicely - DVD viewing would be great and I would have much more work space than my G3 Wallstreet currently provides.

Now, to find a portfolio bag that is padded for transportability:p

If your going big screen, why stop with a 17" PowerBook :D

[3G4N]

The HiDef/HDTV market is still wide open and largely
untapped by manufacturers, broadcasters, and consumers.

This 30" (and any successors) could be in the sweet spot between existing HDTVs and Apple's own Cimena Displays. Apple as a distribution channel/broadcasting partner? This $.99/song audio deal is a good clue. .mac, QuickTime channels (old but still around)... Apple is good with HW and SW collaboration. iChat and AOL come to mind. A major content owner, Sony's name has been mentioned lately. Signoff all the way to the top for media distro is quite another collaboration, but... Consumers? Apple has the most avid, loyal, gadget-loving, consumer base around.
end ramble.

[TMay]

These will be an orthogonal 14.5 inch high x 23.29 inch wide to get the 30 inch diagonal. I use dual 21 inch monitors that are are 11.5 x 15.5 x 19 actual size. Considering that this setup creates an unavoidable 4 inch strip between the 2 monitors, I suspect that the 30 inch cinema displays will sell like hotcakes.

Throw up pallettes, menu bar and dock and you probably have a useable 12.5 x 20 inch. Not bad.

Experiment. Print and assemble or draw an image 14.5 x 23.29, and create a monitor mockup. Then decide if it is too large or unwieldy.

Personally, if it is the same price $3500 or less than the old 22 inch Cinema, then I'm in on this. As a side note, Wacom needs to build a 16:10 format tablet.

[wilburpan]

This is a good thing. Now we can look forward to the 30" iMac.




*ducks quickly* :)

[bidge]

Originally posted by faustfire
There are people who could use a 30 inch screen,
I work on a 22 inch cinema and it is often still to small. When working with programs such as final cut, boris red, and most often after effects, i find that the timelines can become so complex that any extra space is a lifesaver. I dont see much of a demand from the home consumer for a product like this, but for the video and design professional this product would be ideal.

Adding to that, what about the people that use Shake, if you've ever seen it it would be so useful to have a massive screen res for it

[boobers]

Originally posted by TMay
As a side note, Wacom needs to build a 16:10 format tablet.

Correction: Apple needs to build a 16:10 Tablet!

[wilburpan]

Seriously, I think that many people are overestimating the ability of a computer monitor to substitute for a TV. A good rule of thumb is that seating distance for video should be about three to six screen widths away from the screen. If you go through the math, that is around 2-4 feet seating distance for a 30" 16:9 screen. Of course, your personal home theater setup may vary.

Furthermore, putting a TV screen on the wall will increase the size needed for the same viewing experience. Having a conventional or rear projection TV puts the screen surface about 18" in front of the wall in a typical home setup. By mounting a plasma or LCD screen directly on the wall, the viewing distance is increased, requiring a larger screen for the same relative viewing experience. Again, if you work through the math, this works out to be about a 10" increase in the screen diagonal -- in other words, if you have a 50" RPTV, you'll need a 60" plasma on the wall to get the same viewing angle. A 30" screen on the wall is more like a 21-24" conventional TV.

Besides, a quick trip to Best Buy or Circuit City will show (to me at least), that the minimum usable size for a conventional 16:9 TV for typical home use would be a 34" model. The screen height for this screen is along the lines of a 27" 4:3 TV. A wall mounted screen of the same size would have to be at least 42" for the same viewing angle coverage.

It will be nice if we can get a 30" LCD screen. I just wouldn't expect it to be an adequate substitute for a TV. When a wall mountable 42" HDTV computer monitor becomes available, then we can talk.

[steeleclipse]

Originally posted by applemacdude
It's gonna happen. I've have confirmed it from a friend of a friend that works @ apple.

WOW! a friend of a friend!

well my babys momma's sister's uncle's butler's dog handler's second cousin twice removed thinks that your connections are pretty unreliable :D

[alset]

Originally posted by timbloom
Well, I don't see what somebody would need with a 30" exept maybe some self-help dealing with personal insecurities.

I was just thinking last night how much a larger than 23" display would help with the new version of Logic. The windows just keep getting bigger, and I had already seen 21 with Logic looking cramped. Then again, I'd be happy just moving past my 17".

Now imagine if I was scoring a film or video. I would be in trouble if I didn't have either something huge or two mid-huge. Wanna buy me one?

Dan

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by wilburpan
This is a good thing. Now we can look forward to the 30" iMac.




*ducks quickly* :)

Mwahaha... yeah, and I'm sure it'll fit onto the existing base, too! :p

[Nipsy]

The size is right, but the resolution is too low.

My current setup is 3840 x 1024, and lacks has just enough room to do complex multitasking.

The extra vertical room would be nice, but I would still like to see this screen at 3200 x 2048.

[astrocity20]

mmmm Apple displays are beautiful but damn do they cost alot.

[i_am_a_cow]

hahahahahahah! I'm not saying this is a possiblity but . . .

HAHA! JUST IMAGINE A 30" IMAC LCD HAHAHAHAHAHA!

man that is hilarious :D

[robotrenegade]

I'm in once its out.

[scem0]

This would be great, but there is only one problem - only 10
people in the United States could afford it. (// sarcasm ;))

Apple wouldn't sell many of these, unless they could get the
price way down. :(

[flybynite]

Make it 60" and touch-sensitive and I'll replace my drafting table. Even better: make it flexble enough to roll it up in a tube.

(Maybe in 5 years.... :-)

[PyroTurtle]

ProTools, Logic, and especially Reason are the top three reasons for haveing a display this big...imagine two of them hooked up at the same time to a computer! audio personal would love apple!
as for video editing, i seem to be just fine on my powerbook....but for audio, i need that extra space...
and, can anyone imagine quake on this sucker?! ::insert evil giggling::

[nicmac]

This would be very useful for my
Architectural work.......... not only for Cadd but for presentations as well.

[andrewh]

30" would be fantastic. I have two 20" LCD's, the Apple 20" Cinema and the Formac Gallery 2010. Combined, they provide a horizontal resolution of 3280 pixels. And it is great having that much screen space. I put all the palettes of my design programs on the right screen and my artwork on the left. Plus it is awesome having a few finder windows open for file navigation on the right as well. Sometimes I watch a DVD while I'm working, or watch TV with the Formac Studio dv/tv. Once in a while, we watch a DVD fullscreen and with the soundsticks it's pretty good.

Having one big monitor would be better than the dual displays and I would prefer that. There is definitely a market for an LCD that size.

Sure it's not for everyone. But you have to remember the branding benefits of Apple designing and producing cutting edge computers and displays. It just makes the company look great and helps sell Apple in general. And, they have the less expensive alternatives for people who don't want or need it. So everyone should be happy.

I can't wait!

[Sol]

I am trying to imagine what kind of computer would be needed to run resolutions this high. The high end cards from ATI or nVidia would definitely be needed to use this screen and a next-gen processor would also help keep things smooth.

As for the applications, I imagine Apple feels ready to make the Mac a high-definition video editing workstation. If the specs in this rumor are true then this display would exceed high definition video resolution.

I do not think it will be a television as well. Apple would already be doing this if they felt demand for this feature was that high. Personally I think computer displays are ill-suited to this task.

As for the price, it would be high enough to give most of us a reality check. Unless your employer pays for it, something like this will hardly be appropriate for a home computer. That does not mean I would not want to play Formula 1 Championship 2000 on it though...

[acj]

I know they're coming out with a new screen because I sold them the photo for the box.

[scem0]

Originally posted by acj
I know they're coming out with a new screen because I sold them the photo for the box.

Fist off it is called a monitor :rolleyes:

and second off, we like it when people back up their clames with
evidence or at least something more than just a claim, such as
the one you just made.

[Sol]

Originally posted by acj
I know they're coming out with a new screen because I sold them the photo for the box.

If you did indeed provide the photo then why are you sharing this information with us? Surely doing so would put your future contracts with Apple in jeopardy.

[acj]

Would a company that releases new products cut off business from someone who says they are at some point releasing a new product?

I suppose I should have been more careful. I did not mean to insinuate that I know what their new product will be. I do not. I just know they will have a new product at some point. Doesn’t everybody? I’m as anxious to know as you are.

[acj]

Would a company that releases new products cut off business from someone who says they are at some point releasing a new product?

I suppose I should have been more careful. I did not mean to insinuate that I know what their new product will be. I do not. I just know they will have a new product at some point. Doesn’t everybody? I’m as anxious to know as you are.

[Sol]

You would be suprised how far Apple goes to crack down on this type of thing.

[Squire]

Originally posted by astrocity20
mmmm Apple displays are beautiful but damn do they cost alot.

You can say that again. I'd love to throw one up on the wall to watch DVDs every so often but I bet it would cost more than the 42" plasma display I was just gawking at in a department store. In fact, the price of the 42-incher was about the same as the price of the 23" Apple Studio display when it first came out.

Squire

[MacFan25]

30 inches would be huge. You would have to sit like probably 3-4 ft. away from it, so it wouldn't hurt your eyes.

[thedude]

Samsung has a bunch of lcd's on the market with similar sizes to apples. My friend recently had the fortune of playing with a 24 inch lcd that had a higher resolution than the HD cinema display. It will be interesting to see what kind of price wars will develop with the costs of lcd dropping back to resonable levels.

[tjwett]

Originally posted by alset
I was just thinking last night how much a larger than 23" display would help with the new version of Logic. The windows just keep getting bigger, and I had already seen 21 with Logic looking cramped. Then again, I'd be happy just moving past my 17".

Now imagine if I was scoring a film or video. I would be in trouble if I didn't have either something huge or two mid-huge. Wanna buy me one?

Dan

yes indeed. i was just thinking about this the other day. the Logic interface is growing in size with every update and my 17" is starting to get real tight. i'm thinking of getting it a twin brother but i'm not sure, partly because mine is older and has a blue Apple and the new ones have silver and i'm anul about that stuff. a single 30" would solve my problems. the 23" probably would too. on a side note, here's a pretty cool AU:
http://www.u-he.com/zoyd/

[sawaguchishinji]

Originally posted by jch200
We'll need bluetooth keyboards to get far enough away from the screen! Sweet!

Ha! that's hilarious.

Wireless keyboard/mouse would need to recharge the power from somewhere. If they do something about it would be a long wired keyboard and mouse

[Tesla10X]

HINT HINT PPC 970 & Xserve RAID & Final Cut Pro = Real Time 1080i

Apple even hints to this on their webpage about the Xserve RAID...

"In fact, Xserve RAID boasts a throughput of up to 400MB/s, fast enough to support real-time high-definition (HD) video editing without dropping a frame:"

http://www.apple.com/xserve/raid/performance.html

Also, Apple has already began taking over the High end video market, not only because Final Cut is good, but because a 5000 dollar OSX solution is much less than a 15,000 dollar media 100 solution, or a 50,000 proprietary solution or a 125,000 avid solution.

Apple is going to dominate the 1080i video editing market.

Plus this 30 incher would be great for all the markets Apple is curently in that others have mentioned including: Desktop Publishing, Music Production, Video Editing, and Scientific. :)

[aromac]

Will I get this behemoth monitor? YES!, buuuut, I'm dissappointed with the resolution specs. Their 23 inch has excellent resolution- 1920x1200

For a 30 to have : 2400 x 1500 isn't a big bump for a screen 7 inches bigger. If this can matche Viewsonic's resolution, I would be a happy camper. In fact VIEWSONICS flagship lcd has 3840x2400!!! and its only a 22.2 incher.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290b.htm


I hope the 30 inch rumor is true (which it probably is) but I hope they are totally off on the resolution.

[freemidnight]

Hey Sunn is supposed to release a 48" with4800X3600.:eek: :D :D :D

so what!

I don't mind if it costs $3899.:D

[SlowMac]

O brother. This is yet another rumor created by Mac whispers. The guy from Mac whispers is always talking about how he wants big displays. Sounds like this rumor is just another one of his wet dreams. :mad:

[voicegy]

Originally posted by faustfire
There are people who could use a 30 inch screen [...] I work on a 22 inch cinema and it is often still to small.

As strange as that sounds, I agree with you. When people walk by my office and gawk at the 22" Cinema Display, they immediately ask if they can have it when I retire, quit or die. (or words to that effect!) One of the first things I say to them is "Actually, one gets used to the size rather quickly and I wish I had two of them," which usually gets a quizzical look and a snort of disbelief. With my mail on one part of the screen, the Web open on another part, and documents on another, I find myself often shifting and collapsing windows despite the unusually large size.

So 30 inch in the future? BRING IT ON!!!:D

[ibookin']

Originally posted by voicegy
As strange as that sounds, I agree with you. When people walk by my office and gawk at the 22" Cinema Display, they immediately ask if they can have it when I retire, quit or die. (or words to that effect!) One of the first things I say to them is "Actually, one gets used to the size rather quickly and I wish I had two of them," which usually gets a quizzical look and a snort of disbelief. With my mail on one part of the screen, the Web open on another part, and documents on another, I find myself often shifting and collapsing windows despite the unusually large size.

So 30 inch in the future? BRING IT ON!!!:D

I sometimes use a 22" Cinema at work and I know what you're talking about. With so much screen real estate and the computing power to back it up, you get used to having many applications open at once, and before you know it you're out of desktop space. If you like hi-res go for the 23" Cinema, which is a much higher resolution display than the 22.

[Analog Kid]

Look, more desktop space is almost *always* better. The average printer these days puts out 600dpi. Monitors are miserably poor resolution devices. This might not mean much to the average home user/ web surfer, but to anyone working on a Mac more space is better.

It's not going to hurt your eyes any more than the current screens do unless you blow up your windows too big. In general you'll find that you use lots of windows and only need to focus on one at a time. Like having a dozen sheets of paper on your desk. It's the lack of resolution that hurts your eyes when you sit too close to the TV.

I'm an engineer and always work in dual display mode. Big schematics, long source code, lots of little debugging windows, X11 windows from my Sun, reference documents... It's always better to have them all up at once. As soon as you have to swap windows, you're asking for bugs.

One thing that really needs to improve though is the mouse... One guy I work with uses 3 21" CRTs and it takes *forever* to mouse across them...

This is not going to be a TV. All the M$ talk about convergance of the computer with the television was bunk. You work on a computer, you lounge in front of the TV. Granted I'm in a rather small appartment where I eat, work and recreate at my desk, but most people don't want to have to move the desk chair to see the TV. All those pixels will just go to waste once you're a few feet away.

The good news here, I think, is that the 23" might become more affordable once this is out. Then in a few years, the 30" will be affordable and I'll be drooling over the next "big" thing...

[robotrenegade]

The price on this thing is going to be at least 12,000.

[TMay]

Originally posted by aromac
Will I get this behemoth monitor? YES!, buuuut, I'm dissappointed with the resolution specs. Their 23 inch has excellent resolution- 1920x1200

For a 30 to have : 2400 x 1500 isn't a big bump for a screen 7 inches bigger. If this can matche Viewsonic's resolution, I would be a happy camper. In fact VIEWSONICS flagship lcd has 3840x2400!!! and its only a 22.2 incher.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290b.htm


I hope the 30 inch rumor is true (which it probably is) but I hope they are totally off on the resolution.

I'm too lazy to find the rumor (probably MacWhispers), but it notes that Apple had an exclusive on the 22 inch, which they gave up for low cost production ($500) on the 23 inch and that there would be a 200 dpi version of the 22 inch, which is coincidentally the same size as the viewsonic. My guess is that we will see late this year a $2999 3840 x 2400 cinema display.

Not as radical as the 30 inch, but, yet another choice.

[acj]

Originally posted by TMay
I'm too lazy to find the rumor (probably MacWhispers), but it notes that Apple had an exclusive on the 22 inch, which they gave up for low cost production ($500) on the 23 inch and that there would be a 200 dpi version of the 22 inch, which is coincidentally the same size as the viewsonic. My guess is that we will see late this year a $2999 3840 x 2400 cinema display.

Not as radical as the 30 inch, but, yet another choice.

A third the price of the viewsonic? Unlikely, but hey we can all dream.

[wHo_tHe]

A guy I worked with was told about the 30" display in December by an Apple rep. I sent in the rumor.

Believe me, you can learn to "work with" a 30" display... ;)

[crazytom]

I don't know if I'd have enough desk space to put a 30". I hope that when they do come out that it'll push the prices of smaller monitors down. I'm waiting for a 20" for about $500. I'm tired of staring at this CRT!

[ogun7]

Originally posted by Keness
I imagine there is quite a difference between 36" 4:3 display and a 30" 16:10 display... I have a feeling that 30" 16:10 would probably be about as big as you can get for general on-desk use, though.

I can easily see the 36" crt display as being 'too big', the fact that it was 4:3 and ALSO bigger to boot means that it was surely much more of a beast.

I just bought a Samsung 16:10 HDTV capable TV (DVD's look Awesome!!!), now I feel like a chump. My Xbox (a gift, I would NEVER buy Microsoft), DVD's and regular television would be superb on a 30". A 30" 16:10 display would be too big for most computer desks. My Samsung TXM3098WHF (http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=TXM3098WHFXXAA) (has less than 3/4" bezel around the top and sides and 2" on the bottom. It is HUGE.

[ogun7]

Originally posted by robotrenegade
The price on this thing is going to be at least 12,000.

Actually NEC-Mitsubishi sells one now (albeit at 1280 x 768, fine for TV use) for $4299


NEC LCD3000 (http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/home/nec_id_index.cfm)

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Bad idea. Keep the computer as the digital hub and s-video (or signal) out to a regular TV or HDTV. Nobody want's to sit around the computer station to watch a 30" movie, not when you have a TV in your living room.

Why not? I watch all of my DVDs on my Mac, which has a 15" display. As for my TV, it has a 20" diagonal. I'm thinking that a 30" display would have just as decent of a picture size, if not better.

But as for a 30" display...why? If it is meant to replace the TV in the household, then sure. But who would really need it? An author who wants to see the contents of the entire book at once? I think I'd have to buy a new desk to even contain a 22" or 23" monitor, much less a 30" monitor. But my next monitor will probably be the 20"...but I'll have to compare it against the 23" and see if I could really benefit from it or not. But the 20" still looks pretty nice.

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by crazytom
I hope that when they do come out that it'll push the prices of smaller monitors down. I'm waiting for a 20" for about $500. I'm tired of staring at this CRT!

If you have wells of patience, then keep on waiting for that better price. I got my 15" LCD for $400 (refurbished, and not a single pooched pixel that I can find), and since I got this display, I've been using this computer a lot more. It's a little larger than the CRT monitor I was using, and the color is TONS better and brighter. Plus I have more desk space to place CDs and papers since the LCD doesn't take up as much space as the CRT. I'm certainly glad to have an LCD monitor, and if you can afford one, go for it. If not, keep waiting. Don't know if the 20" will get down to $500, though. Maybe, maybe not. But look what happened to the 15" monitor. Perfectly good monitor was just cut from the whole line-up. Perhaps they wouldn't have made enough money off of them if they reduced them down to $300 or $400 each.

[t^3]

I'm surprised that no one has brought this up yet, but what kind of graphics card is going to be required for this huge monitor? The supported resolutions for the PowerMac/Book don't go up to 2400x1500, and what about having dual 30" monitors? Not even the Radeon 9800 has that high of a supported resolution.

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by edenwaith
I watch all of my DVDs on my Mac, which has a 15" display.

This is something I just don't get. Why would anyone do this when they could kick back on a nice couch or comfy chair and a coffee table for beverages and snacks? Sure, I can see some kids hanging out, watching DVDs in their rooms to avoid their parents, but why would anyone consider this their penultimate viewing experience? - j

I don't mean to sound derisive here, I just can't fathom why!

[Rincewind42]

Originally posted by t^3
I'm surprised that no one has brought this up yet, but what kind of graphics card is going to be required for this huge monitor? The supported resolutions for the PowerMac/Book don't go up to 2400x1500, and what about having dual 30" monitors? Not even the Radeon 9800 has that high of a supported resolution.

Well, running at 2400x1500 at millions of colors would require about 14MB of video ram just of for the picture (I presumed the display would be more like 2560x1600 myself - 16MB =p). So you would need at least a 32MB card to use Quartz Extreme on it. But I'm sure with a driver update any Radeon or GeForce 4+ card could use the display. Now to use two of them...

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
This is something I just don't get. Why would anyone do this when they could kick back on a nice couch or comfy chair and a coffee table for beverages and snacks? Sure, I can see some kids hanging out, watching DVDs in their rooms to avoid their parents, but why would anyone consider this their penultimate viewing experience? - j

I don't mean to sound derisive here, I just can't fathom why!

Well typically you wouldn't with a group of people (that's what S-Video out is for). But when your all by yourself you don't have to sit back as far and you get much better resolution than your TV could ever provide.

BTW, Penultimate means the lowest possible, opposite of Ultimate, so I don't think that those of us who are staunch DVD on our computers people would think of it that way :).

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by Rincewind42
BTW, Penultimate means the lowest possible, opposite of Ultimate, so I don't think that those of us who are staunch DVD on our computers people would think of it that way :).

Duh...thanks!
:D

[ntg]

[i]BTW, Penultimate means the lowest possible, opposite of Ultimate, so I don't think that those of us who are staunch DVD on our computers people would think of it that way :). [/B]

Actualy, penultimate means "next-to-last", just to be pedantic. Sorry. :D

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by ntg
...just to be pedantic.

Don't drag little kids into this you sicko!!

:mad:

[acj]

The viewsonic uber-high res monitor works on Radeon 8500 cards, according to their web site under the supported card list.

[zac4mac]

No such critter - I just got a 22" ACD when the prices dropped and I'm using it with an old Apple MultiSync 20" CRT for palettes. Took less than a week to get used to and now I can't imagine having less desktop. More is almost always better, although my original Radeon(32) is having a time running the ACD, the 20 is doing OK on a PCI Orion.

Z

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by zac4mac
No such critter - I just got a 22" ACD when the prices dropped and I'm using it with an old Apple MultiSync 20" CRT for palettes. Took less than a week to get used to and now I can't imagine having less desktop. More is almost always better, although my original Radeon(32) is having a time running the ACD, the 20 is doing OK on a PCI Orion.

Z

Do you have them on a single plane or angled separately toward you?

[aasmund]

OH, and I my sons father told me they were releasing a 30" powerbook as well, instead of the usual trackpad, it has a 15" wacom tablet and a full numeric keyboard and 5.1 surround speakers on the side (the subwoofer is in the powersupply).

Also he told me they were releasing an imac with the same display. They need two lampbases to hold it up so it will be a dual cpu, dual harddrive, dual modem (!) and dual dvd burner solution. You can also connect two mice and keyboards in case your arms are very long.

Regards,

Aasmund.

[pseudobrit]

Just to give you an idea...

http://homepage.mac.com/spdonnan/.Pictures/30inch.jpg

[dapperlad]

Would there be any advantages/disadvantages to a Plasma-based display, compared to an LCD display?

[CountZero]

LCD display can do much higher fidelity than plasma. Plasma can't do true black (not that LCD does but LCD is more than a few shades better) and the inherent noise level of plasma does not suit static images (i.e. computer display).

[nagromme]

Some figures...

A 30" 2400x1500 display would be 16:10.

The view area would be 25.44x15.9".

It would be 94 DPI and display 3.6 megapixels. 88% more workspace than the original 22" display.

[scarecrow]

I would pay up to $3,500 for that.....:cool:

[flashfil]

I posted this around september last year.

I hope it comes true

[Flynnstone]

Look at all that un used real estate on the back of the cinema displays. Putting the processor and drives on the back would make a very small footprint computer!
Wasn't there a rumor about a long thin circuit board being quoted?:p

[JGowan]

How many people do you know that have dual displays? Tons. I do. A 23"HD and a 21"CRT. I saw on spymac.com recently a guy who had TWO 23"HD displays. The need is there for many graphic professionals who would like more room for all they want to do.

Also, as many have said here, once the day of work is through, just move the chair out of the way, turn the lights down a bit and settle in for a nice evening of movies. A 30" widescreen would replace my 35" panasonic easily.

[movabi]

I have 3 monitors... one is 17" apple flat screen... a 21" crt... and a tv... I'm starting to use my mac as a glorified dvd player. My question is this... while I'm watching my movie, is there any way to turn off the 17" display or sleep it without effecting my tv play through? I have a button on my 21" radius but the power switch on the 17" sleeps the machine... any body know how to do this? It kinda peeves me that apple takes out the manual control of its hardware.
Thanks
movabi :confused:

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by Flynnstone
Look at all that un used real estate on the back of the cinema displays. Putting the processor and drives on the back would make a very small footprint computer!
Wasn't there a rumor about a long thin circuit board being quoted?:p This is a very good point ,except for the higher cpu speeds but they could allways just mount a fan on the cpu. They have powerbooks so why not a 30 inch Lcd screen that just happens to have the computer built into it. But it would have to be upgradable and then have expansions for the pro user. on 2nd thought this would only work if you were to do another all in one nonupgradable imac like device. We will just have to keep waiting and hope what ever they show will be awsome. ( i'm sure it will)

[JGowan]

Originally posted by movabi
... while I'm watching my movie, is there any way to turn off the 17" display or sleep it without effecting my tv play through?Hopefully someone can you give you a real way of doing this. What I do is have a BLACK.pct file handy (1"x1"@72dpi) that I pop in as a desktop. Helps a lot.

[movabi]

I was kinda thinkin' that direction as well... to bad we have to use a work-a-round. I was wondering if there was some kind of third party app that let's you select certain monitors for sleep / screen effects. It would be a nice set of features if Apple would incorporate them into energy saver (won't hold my breath)... :eek: