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MacRumors
Aug 6, 2006, 08:37 PM
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MacRumorsLive.com (http://www.macrumorslive.com/) will provide live coverage of the event starting at 1PM EDT (10AM Pacific). No need to reload the page, updates will appear as they are posted. In January, our system successfully delivered updates to over 100,000 (http://www.macrumors.com/events/mwsf2006-stats.php) simultaneous visitors.

More photos of banners posted at WWDC have been circulating. Apple appears to be taking on Microsoft's upcoming Vista operating system directly with banners that state:

"Mac OS X Leopard, Introducing Vista 2.0" (photo (http://static.flickr.com/74/207241438_7c0f89412d_b.jpg))
"Mac OS X Leopard, Hasta la Vista, Vista"

In the meanwhile, you can read the WWDC 2006 Rumor Roundup (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060805162310.shtml), see our WWDC related Guide Pages (http://guides.macrumors.com/Category:WWDC_2006), chat in our IRC channel (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030608214842.shtml) or participate in the forums (http://forums.macrumors.com).

We will continue to provide any last minute updates leading to the event.

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Bradley W
Aug 6, 2006, 08:41 PM
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twoodcc
Aug 6, 2006, 08:41 PM
wow, that's some bold statements by Apple. i'm sure that they'll back them up though

ImAlwaysRight
Aug 6, 2006, 08:42 PM
Mac OS X Leopard, Hasta la Vista, Vista

Nice!

DMann
Aug 6, 2006, 08:43 PM
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MacRumorsLive.com (http://www.macrumorslive.com/) will provide live coverage of the event starting at 1PM EST (10AM Pacific). No need to reload the page, updates will appear as they are posted. In January, our system successfully delivered updates to over 100,000 (http://www.macrumors.com/events/mwsf2006-stats.php) simultaneous visitors.

More photos of banners posted at WWDC have been circulating. Apple appears to be taking on Microsoft's upcoming Vista operating system directly with banners that state:

"Mac OS X Leopard, Introducing Vista 2.0" (photo (http://static.flickr.com/74/207241438_7c0f89412d_b.jpg))
"Mac OS X Leopard, Hasta la Vista, Vista"

In the meanwhile, you can read the WWDC 2006 Rumor Roundup (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060805162310.shtml), see our WWDC related Guide Pages (http://guides.macrumors.com/Category:WWDC_2006), chat in our IRC channel (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030608214842.shtml) or participate in the forums (http://forums.macrumors.com).

We will continue to provide any last minute updates leading to the event.

Perhaps MS will change the name a third time before it is released.

DeSnousa
Aug 6, 2006, 08:47 PM
I'm sorry I'm really slow, I don't get the slogan :(

"Mac OS X Leopard, Introducing Vista 2.0"

Do they mean that Leopard is years ahead of Vista, like if it were to be like Windows next version OS :confused:

:o

sinster
Aug 6, 2006, 08:51 PM
Yes - thats what it means...Leopard is like Vista 2.0. :)

Anyone believe that it could actually be released today...like for consumer consumption?

truz
Aug 6, 2006, 08:51 PM
Longhorn is code name, The product name is Vista you will not see a third name for windows vista. Just like Windows XP I think was called Whistler (code name).

Just about all companies give there product a code name and then a release name once it's ready for the retail stores or a public beta like you see windows vista.

Unorthodox
Aug 6, 2006, 08:59 PM
100,00 users!
Yikes! I wonder how many this year....
I bet it's 500,000+

Arn has a LOT of bandwidth.
I bet he could walk thorough his internet connection without bumping his head.
March a whole army thorough there. Three abreast.

*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*

Spanky Deluxe
Aug 6, 2006, 09:00 PM
Haha, I love the digs at Vista. Vista's been getting so much bad press recently this is fantastic. They should simply have this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ) video on repeat on screens throughout the event!!

projectle
Aug 6, 2006, 09:00 PM
Or Leopard as Vista SP1; that should be a good two years off...

Willis
Aug 6, 2006, 09:00 PM
Hasta la Vista, Vista

classic!! I want to see a pic!

PharmD
Aug 6, 2006, 09:04 PM
Well, they weren't kidding about Tiger being "long before Longhorn". I'm excited to see what they have cooking. Thankfully I'll be at work until 6 EST so I can come home, boot up MR and read all about it.

Roller
Aug 6, 2006, 09:05 PM
I'm hoping that Leopard is more of an increment than the last couple of OS X releases were. I'd still rather use Tiger than any other OS, but Apple really needs to address its UI inconsistencies and usability issues. For example, I think that printing and font management in OS X are much more complicated than they need to be. Apple also should take a close look at the many third-party utilities that fill in gaps in OS X and make changes accordingly.

This would also be a good time to make sure that OS X is as secure as it can be. It's not enough to rely on the lack of Mac viruses and spyware compared to Windows, as Apple does in its advertising- the more popular OS X becomes, the more of a target that it's going to be. OS X needs a robust Security System Preference Panel that provides virus checking and other defenses and actively monitors for intrusions.

narco
Aug 6, 2006, 09:06 PM
Hasta la Vista, Vista

classic!! I want to see a pic!

So do I. It should have a picture of the T-800 running Leopard next to it.

Fishes,
narco.

Willis
Aug 6, 2006, 09:08 PM
Haha, I love the digs at Vista. Vista's been getting so much bad press recently this is fantastic. They should simply have this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ) video on repeat on screens throughout the event!!


hahah i was just watching that. but it was the shorter version.

projectle
Aug 6, 2006, 09:09 PM
Why have a picture when they can have the Governator himself pay a visit?

hob
Aug 6, 2006, 09:09 PM
Oh my

it's like christmas come early

infact it's better

christmas sucks, and it's cold

WWDC is my favourite holiday :p

MattyMac
Aug 6, 2006, 09:12 PM
It's like Christmas Eve:D

iMeowbot
Aug 6, 2006, 09:13 PM
Anyone believe that it could actually be released today...like for consumer consumption?
I hope not! :eek:

It would be kind of nice if ISVs could have a chance to make sure their stuff runs properly under the new release.

Apple will also want there to be a reason for people to pay for upgrades, and third party software that uses new features would be a big part of that.

MattyMac
Aug 6, 2006, 09:14 PM
Looks like I'll be taking my lunch break at 1PM tomorrow:p

jaxstate
Aug 6, 2006, 09:18 PM
Blah, it should read "Mac OS X Leopard, introducing Panter 2.0"

Willis
Aug 6, 2006, 09:18 PM
Oh my

it's like christmas come early

infact it's better

christmas sucks, and it's cold

WWDC is my favourite holiday :p

you got my vote... man, i should get some sleep, need to be up at 11am.. my car has been making grinding noises, so off to see the mechanic!!

Warbrain
Aug 6, 2006, 09:20 PM
Looks like I'll be taking my lunch break at 1PM tomorrow:p

I just wish I was home at 1 PM. Silly me saying that it's fine for me to work at 11...

hyperpasta
Aug 6, 2006, 09:20 PM
Blah, it should read "Mac OS X Leopard, introducing Panter 2.0"


ehhhhh? :confused:

bradc
Aug 6, 2006, 09:21 PM
I fourth that notion for a picture of 'Hasta la Vista, Vista'. That's a pretty tongue-in-cheek statement!

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 09:23 PM
ehhhhh? :confused:

I'm thinking he doesn't like Tiger

p0intblank
Aug 6, 2006, 09:23 PM
Hahaha, I love Apple and their humorous banners! They always think of something funny. I can't wait to hear Steve's random cracks on Windows while giving his keynote. The crowd always gets a kick out of them. :p

Zadillo
Aug 6, 2006, 09:24 PM
Longhorn is code name, The product name is Vista you will not see a third name for windows vista. Just like Windows XP I think was called Whistler (code name).

Just about all companies give there product a code name and then a release name once it's ready for the retail stores or a public beta like you see windows vista.

Indeed. I sort of forget, but at what point did Apple decide to start making the "code names" part of the official name of the commercial product? I'm thinking it must have been with 10.2 (I don't remember them publicizing Cheetah as the name of 10.0 or Puma as the name of 10.1).

I guess it's almost a necessity given the unique product naming issues with OS X. On one hand, Apple is basically limited to doing single-point version increases with each update to OS X (because if they actually were to jump from 10.x to, say, 11.0, the OS X name would no longer mean anything). But if you just advertise "Mac OS X 10.5", it's hard to get people too excited about that. So I guess it makes sense for Apple to go ahead and really push the cat codename stuff as the final product name. Also, probably easier for the average consumer to just remember Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, etc. than individual version numbers.

evoluzione
Aug 6, 2006, 09:27 PM
anyone have any clues to whether the Apple retail stores are goig to be showing the keynote???

Query
Aug 6, 2006, 09:27 PM
"Hasta la Vista, Vista" image on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=207241970&context=photostream&size=l

:D

adam1185
Aug 6, 2006, 09:28 PM
"Hasta la Vista, Vista" image on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=207241970&context=photostream&size=l

:D


Too bad that image doesn't actually show it :(

reyesmac
Aug 6, 2006, 09:29 PM
I will be surprised if Vista comes out with most features in leopard, even if they are hacked wanna be copies. They have done it before and with the preview Apple will just give them one more chance to do it. What I don't think they will be able to copy is the features in the iApps that will come out or core video effects. Well, not without raising the requirements to run vista yet again.

Xanderxxx
Aug 6, 2006, 09:36 PM
"Mac OS X Leopard, Introducing Vista 2.0"
"Mac OS X Leopard, Hasta la Vista, Vista"

VINCENT:
That's a bold statement.

I know Apple has the balls, but that's asking for it. Leopard better be good incredible.

treblah
Aug 6, 2006, 09:36 PM
Blah, it should read "Mac OS X Leopard, introducing Panter 2.0"

Panther?

Let me steer this off topic real quick. I have read before that Apple has two OS teams so "in theory" Leopard would, in fact, be Panther 2.0 and 10.7 would be Tiger 2.0. Again, in theory… Can someone clear that up?

On topic: Hooray Leopard!

MattyMac
Aug 6, 2006, 09:40 PM
"Hasta la Vista, Vista" image on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=207241970&context=photostream&size=l

:D
I see black curtains:D

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 09:41 PM
I became a hard core Mac user after Panther was released. I was wondering if Apple took stabs at Microsoft when they were introducing Panther. :confused:

Eric5h5
Aug 6, 2006, 09:44 PM
wow, that's some bold statements by Apple. i'm sure that they'll back them up though

Nothing they haven't done before. Like the "Redmond, start your photocopiers" thing for Tiger. And Redmond did exactly that, it seems. ;)

--Eric

treblah
Aug 6, 2006, 09:46 PM
I became a hard core Mac user after Panther was released. I was wondering if Apple took stabs at Microsoft when they were introducing Panther. :confused:

They did at WWDC '04 (when Tiger was introduced) with slogans like "Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers" and the word "Longhorn" in the Spotlight search field. ;)

Silentwave
Aug 6, 2006, 09:48 PM
This is all so yummy! I'm quite excited. I've been preparing for WWDC big time....i've got the MR Live site as my homepage, the MR contributors' updates coming to my mobile, i've been watching all the old Stevenotes just to get all psyched up!

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 09:49 PM
They did at WWDC '04 (when Tiger was introduced) with slogans like "Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers" and the word "Longhorn" in the Spotlight search field. ;)

Yea I remember watching that one. I thought that was pretty funny!:D

Fiveos22
Aug 6, 2006, 09:49 PM
My cup runneth over with excitement.

Too bad I'll be in class all day tomorrow and won't get the minute by minute MR coverage...unless I bring my macbook to class with me. :D

Fiveos22
Aug 6, 2006, 09:52 PM
Nothing they haven't done before. Like the "Redmond, start your photocopiers" thing for Tiger. And Redmond did exactly that, it seems. ;)

--Eric

They did at WWDC '04 (when Tiger was introduced) with slogans like "Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers" and the word "Longhorn" in the Spotlight search field. ;)

http://www.preshaa.com/archive/work/ninja.jpg

/ninja'd!
//sorry, I had to

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 09:53 PM
My cup runneth over with excitement.

Too bad I'll be in class all day tomorrow and won't get the minute by minute MR coverage...unless I bring my macbook to class with me. :D

haha! Yea I'm going to be glued to my Macbook watching the updates and jumping with excitement when something is announced :D

Then when the online video comes up on the apple website ill be watching it start to finish and nobody will be able to bother me lol :p

inkswamp
Aug 6, 2006, 09:53 PM
Blah, it should read "Mac OS X Leopard, introducing Panter 2.0"

No offense, my friend, but I'm glad Apple isn't taking any marketing cues from readers of MacRumors. ;)

stoid
Aug 6, 2006, 09:57 PM
I'm at work tomorrow too, but seeing as my 'boss'/co-worker is also a huge Apple fanboy, and since the Keynote starts at noon local (CDST) I'm expecting that we'll fire up macrumorslive and eat lunch whilst get text updates. Too bad there's no live video tho...

Fearless Leader
Aug 6, 2006, 09:57 PM
how long is the keynote?
Hasta la vista, vista. can you say bye to something that isn't here?

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 09:58 PM
how long is the keynote?

They last about an hour to 2 hours

macridah
Aug 6, 2006, 10:06 PM
I have a feeling tomorrow will be a great day ....

Silentwave
Aug 6, 2006, 10:12 PM
I hope this one is as fun and entertaining as MWSF 06 was, what with Paul otellini coming out in the intel bunny rabbit suit and delivering the chip so to speak :rolleyes:

michaelrjohnson
Aug 6, 2006, 10:16 PM
Yeah, I'll be taking my lunch at noon (Central)... Maaaybe, just Maaaaybe I might be late getting back to work. ;)

On another note, I'm as excited about WWDC as the next member, but all these threads are starting to sound the same! :rolleyes::)

aafuss1
Aug 6, 2006, 10:16 PM
I predict next year's iWork '07-hasta la vista MS Works (it can use .doc). Apple should add Office XML spport in '07.
Tiger-start your photocopiers, Redmond

The Vista stab-good one.

Peace
Aug 6, 2006, 10:17 PM
I just want to give a BIG..Hip Hip Hoorah!! to Arn for his hard work in giving us the very best Apple community website on the internet!!

Keep it up Bro!!

Butler Trumpet
Aug 6, 2006, 10:22 PM
I just want to give a BIG..Hip Hip Hoorah!! to Arn for his hard work in giving us the very best Apple community website on the internet!!

Keep it up Bro!!

I second that.... Arn and the entire macrumors community are awesome. Thanks!!

bradc
Aug 6, 2006, 10:24 PM
Yeah I just checked MacRumors' stats....77mbits/second:eek: Talk about a bandwidth bill $!$! Then again, tink of all the money MacRumors will make off of ad impressions!:eek:

JoshH
Aug 6, 2006, 10:27 PM
Happy WWDC Eve everyone! May tomorrow bring you everything you wanted! :rolleyes: ;) :D

Josh

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 10:33 PM
Happy WWDC Eve everyone! May tomorrow bring you everything you wanted! :rolleyes: ;) :D

Josh

Am I supposed to leave out cookies? :p :D

MikeNemat
Aug 6, 2006, 10:41 PM
Am I supposed to leave out cookies? :p :D

Yep. And Milk. Steve Jobs will climb down your chimney, eat the cookies, and pour the milk into any PCs he finds in your house :)

zync
Aug 6, 2006, 10:41 PM
100,00 users!
Yikes! I wonder how many this year....
I bet it's 500,000+

Arn has a LOT of bandwidth.
I bet he could walk thorough his internet connection without bumping his head.
March a whole army thorough there. Three abreast.

*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*
*goose step*

I don't know if anyone has said it yet, but it's because he has a team of messengers on horses that are able to run through the tubes :D

M-Life
Aug 6, 2006, 10:41 PM
Happy WWDC Eve everyone! May tomorrow bring you everything you wanted! :rolleyes: ;) :D

Josh

I saw SJ at the mall a few weeks back and he let me sit on his lap and everything. I asked for a new mac mini media center and a football and he said he could get me one or the other, but not both.

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 10:43 PM
Yep. And Milk. Steve Jobs will climb down your chimney, eat the cookies, and pour the milk into any PCs he finds in your house :)

Well he won't find any PCs! Our house is PC free. We have a PowerMac G5, iMac G5, Powerbook G4, and a MacBook. He would be very happy :D

motulist
Aug 6, 2006, 10:44 PM
"You've come to the right platform."

- from WWDC Apple banner http://guides.macrumors.com/Image:Coveredbanners.jpg. Apple is really doing a full court press against Windows!

This era is either the beginning of the Mac gaining serious market share, or the moment history will view as proof that Apple cannot make major market gains no matter how hard they try. My bet is on the former.

sminman
Aug 6, 2006, 10:49 PM
It's like hoping you get a red shiny new bike from santa on christmas morning!!

I really hope they come out with a phone. I don't care about anything else!:rolleyes:

How many people think that they actually will come out with a phone?:D

Blackheart
Aug 6, 2006, 10:50 PM
Maybe I'm reading to much into this... but did anyone else notice that Apple has all of their products on that big banner except for the full-size iPod and the Xserve? Could it be that the new iPod will certainly be released then, and that its banner is hidden?

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 10:51 PM
It's like hoping you get a red shiny new bike from santa on christmas morning!!

I really hope they come out with a phone. I don't care about anything else!:rolleyes:

How many people think that they actually will come out with a phone?:D

The only reason they would announce a phone at WWDC is if it had OS X on it. Otherwise you won't see it till MWSF

MusicMacPro
Aug 6, 2006, 10:54 PM
Notice in the banner picture how the PowerMac G5 Tower is showing only it's side?!
Anyone think it's maybe actually a MacPro's side...therefore they wouldn't show its front or back (dual optical drives, reconfigured back)?

iJawn108
Aug 6, 2006, 11:03 PM
"... introducing the 30th anaversary mac retro" :p

acslater017
Aug 6, 2006, 11:04 PM
you know everyone's going mac nuts when it says "update: photo of cloth covered banners".... :)

kugino
Aug 6, 2006, 11:05 PM
will apple be broadcasting this at the union square store? i don't think they've done so in the past, but since i'm in the city this week i thought i'd mosey on down to the store at around 10 and see what's playing in the theater ;)

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 11:05 PM
you know everyone's going mac nuts when it says "update: photo of cloth covered banners".... :)

I can't wait to see what is behind them. Maybe the new features of Leopard?:D

motulist
Aug 6, 2006, 11:10 PM
Exciting though this is, try and get some sleep people. Most Mac nuts have had the experience of staying up all night before a big Apple show (as I have) and while it can be fun to do once, it also raises your hopes so much that you feel let down unless something truly spectacular is unveiled. Luckily for me I have to be all night for other reasons anyway ;)

sord
Aug 6, 2006, 11:12 PM
I certainly hope Leopard isn't like Vista 2.0 - it (Vista 2.0) will be horrible as usual!

JRM PowerPod
Aug 6, 2006, 11:13 PM
I think we can draw some more info from those covered banners, it looks like they might announce something at wwdc. More so, its possible that those announcements are represented in pictorial form on those covered banners.
PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME, I'M JUST JOKING
Just an idea?

szark
Aug 6, 2006, 11:15 PM
you know everyone's going mac nuts when it says "update: photo of cloth covered banners".... :)

Or when there are multiple threads analyzing a photograph of a banner with dozens of icons on it, and nobody notices the photo also shows (the same) two covered banners. :)

avensis087
Aug 6, 2006, 11:18 PM
i dunno if this has been cleared up in any other posts or whatever, but does anybody know if there will be a live quicktime video feed? i figured if steve is going to be demo-ing stuff in leopard, he'd want the hundreds of thousands of people to actually *see* it! anyway, just curious.

mr

JRM PowerPod
Aug 6, 2006, 11:19 PM
Or when there are multiple threads analyzing a photograph of a banner with dozens of icons on it, and nobody notices the photo also shows (the same) two covered banners. :)

Don't be like that, i noticed it.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2677363#post2677363
But that doesn't mean everyone isnt going nuts, because they are. This is worse than any build up to an Apple event i've ever remembered

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 11:21 PM
i dunno if this has been cleared up in any other posts or whatever, but does anybody know if there will be a live quicktime video feed? i figured if steve is going to be demo-ing stuff in leopard, he'd want the hundreds of thousands of people to actually *see* it! anyway, just curious.

mr

There won't be a live VIDEO feed. Just the live TEXT feed supplied by MacRumors

devman
Aug 6, 2006, 11:21 PM
Or when there are multiple threads analyzing a photograph of a banner with dozens of icons on it, and nobody notices the photo also shows (the same) two covered banners. :)

There are actually 3 covered banners on the ground floor.

68134
Aug 6, 2006, 11:21 PM
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nagromme
Aug 6, 2006, 11:26 PM
Whatever is or is not shown about Leopard/Macs, be sure to enjoy the spectacular howling from those who assume that nothing ELSE will ever emerge about Leopard/Macs. From those who assume that if it's not mentioned on THIS particular date, Apple is doomed and it's too late :D You heard it here first: any Macs that don't appear tomorrow will NEVER appear, and Leopard will have NOTHING except what is shown tomorrow ;) It's life or death... if any rumors turn out to be only rumors, the platform is dead :)

motulist
Aug 6, 2006, 11:32 PM
More photos

http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1941

Kingsly
Aug 6, 2006, 11:40 PM
More pix of the same... in case anyone cares!
1) WWDC2006!!
2) the now infamous banners™
3) me, with the now infamous baners™
4) Nifty computer bags™ they are giving out
5) delicious gelato™ :p

guffman
Aug 6, 2006, 11:41 PM
More photos

http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1941

Ok - I've been into Macs for a couple years now, so I don't have the history with the company of many of you do.

That said, it seems to me that with these ads or banners for Leopard, that it is closer to being released than we all might think. Has Apple promoted a product this way -- bashing M$ -- with out releasing the product soon after?

To me it just seems like real strong words to use if Leopard wont be out for a while, esp. if it will only be released around the time Vista will be next year.

Anyone know what I mean, or feel the same way?

dongmin
Aug 6, 2006, 11:41 PM
Hey, since we're all posting picts, a blast from the past:

http://www.macminute.com/images/db/tiger1
http://www.macminute.com/images/db/tiger2

razzmatazz
Aug 6, 2006, 11:43 PM
Ok - I've been into Macs for a couple years now, so I don't have the history with the company of many of you do.

That said, it seems to me that with these ads or banners for Leopard, that it is closer to being released than we all might think. Has Apple promoted a product this way -- bashing M$ -- with out releasing the product soon after?

To me it just seems like real strong words to use if Leopard wont be out for a while, esp. if it will only be released around the time Vista will be next year.

Anyone know what I mean, or feel the same way?

They did they same thing when introducing Tiger...say things like "Redmond we have a problem" or "Introducing Longhorn"

I don't think you'll be seeing Leopard till end of this year to beginning of next year

Edit: Look at the pics above this post :-)

sord
Aug 6, 2006, 11:55 PM
Ok - I've been into Macs for a couple years now, so I don't have the history with the company of many of you do.

That said, it seems to me that with these ads or banners for Leopard, that it is closer to being released than we all might think. Has Apple promoted a product this way -- bashing M$ -- with out releasing the product soon after?

To me it just seems like real strong words to use if Leopard wont be out for a while, esp. if it will only be released around the time Vista will be next year.

Anyone know what I mean, or feel the same way?
Last WWDC Stevie said that Leopard would be announced at this WWDC - or at least demonstrated. My guess - late this year or early next it will be in stores.

Oh - and Powerbook G5s (dual core) tomorrow!!

szark
Aug 6, 2006, 11:58 PM
Don't be like that, i noticed it.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2677363#post2677363
But that doesn't mean everyone isnt going nuts, because they are. This is worse than any build up to an Apple event i've ever remembered

I simply meant that, normally, people would be excited because there were covered banners. But this year, they were excited by a bunch of icons. ;)

There are actually 3 covered banners on the ground floor.

I know -- I was specifically referring to the original photo of the icon-filled banner, which only showed two of the three banners.

Kingsly: I'll keep an eye out for you before the Keynote tomorrow. EDIT: Sorry -- just saw your other thread. Have fun visiting Cupertino!

shrimpdesign
Aug 7, 2006, 12:03 AM
I predict the Mac Pro, Xserve and a kick-ass preview of Leopard.

And I dobt any consumer items will be introduced (iPod, iTablet, iPhone) .. but they can surprise me if they want!

coumerelli
Aug 7, 2006, 12:08 AM
gosh! we're all like kiddies in a candy store. (oooh, and I love it!)

everyone thinks "this is the most anticipated ever!" - well, through as we all grapple and rip and tear at every little moral of rumor out there and pray that dear Santa (people still think it's 'Steve') Jobs will visit us, then, yeah, I guess it is. The fever before each WWDC and MWSF seems to feed on itself until *BAM* Steve struts on the stage at 10:00am Pacific Time. WOW! must sleep...must get to bed....must...get...slee......

I might just have to do a little "R & D" during the lunch hour here in St. Louie.;) :D :cool:

maxjg
Aug 7, 2006, 12:19 AM
I am buying an iMac very soon, and I just want a 64-bit intel core in it. Cmon merom!

tokevino
Aug 7, 2006, 12:24 AM
I am buying an iMac very soon, and I just want a 64-bit intel core in it. Cmon merom!

IMHO, only Mac Pro and MacBook Pro will get the chance for Core 2s. Intel simply doesn't have the production, yet.

Do you have a particular need for 64 bit computing?

Shananra
Aug 7, 2006, 12:28 AM
Anybody have any idea when the video of the event will be posted based on the past? How quick do they get it online?

TheMacGuy
Aug 7, 2006, 12:30 AM
I am buying an iMac very soon, and I just want a 64-bit intel core in it. Cmon merom!


Yeah.... MacBook Pro too,...

"... its the most wonderful time of the year..."

WARNING! off topic - I just hear some wonderful (ole) mac music... look here! - http://davidpogue.com/pogue_unplugged/songspoofs.html

Blackheart
Aug 7, 2006, 12:31 AM
Anybody have any idea when the video of the event will be posted based on the past? How quick do they get it online?

Probably about a couple hours after finish. The following evening at very latest.

tokevino
Aug 7, 2006, 12:31 AM
Anybody have any idea when the video of the event will be posted based on the past? How quick do they get it online?

Usually several hours after the keynote... and then there is the "mad rush" because everyone wants a piece of hat keynote video. Traffic will slow down after eastern coast and central U.S. past mid-night. So if you are on the western coast, stay up late after 9PM and enjoy the show w/ popcorns.:)

Kingsly
Aug 7, 2006, 12:32 AM
Kingsly: I'll keep an eye out for you before the Keynote tomorrow. EDIT: Sorry -- just saw your other thread. Have fun visiting Cupertino!
Dang. I am sooo totally completely insanely disappointed that I wont be there tomorrow...
I even went to the info booth and tried to sweet talk my way into some comp tickets to the keynote... oh well. There's always MWSF 2007.

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 12:40 AM
If I didn’t have to work this would feel like xmas morning!!! :D If apple are saying these things about leopard they must be very very confident, as much as I love tiger I would love to see Vista smashed into the ground, and apple can do it!

Last week I was hoping for a few new things, now with a lot of potential promise from leopard I will be fine with leopard, the new pros... and maybe the iphone! LOL

<side note... does anyone know how to attach excitement to a post, I can just do pics? :p >

peeInMyPantz
Aug 7, 2006, 12:51 AM
10am PST is 1am here. So it's really like christmas. So should I keep myself awake and take a peep at santa? or just wait for the good news tomorrow. Or bad news.

Plymouthbreezer
Aug 7, 2006, 12:55 AM
Tis great. Can't wait.

LaMerVipere
Aug 7, 2006, 12:56 AM
Maybe I'm reading to much into this... but did anyone else notice that Apple has all of their products on that big banner except for the full-size iPod and the Xserve? Could it be that the new iPod will certainly be released then, and that its banner is hidden?

Hmm, that is interesting. I hadn't thought of that...

redAPPLE
Aug 7, 2006, 01:06 AM
Notice in the banner picture how the PowerMac G5 Tower is showing only it's side?!
Anyone think it's maybe actually a MacPro's side...therefore they wouldn't show its front or back (dual optical drives, reconfigured back)?

actually, i think the mac pro will have the same side, but a slimmer front...

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 01:07 AM
10am PST is 1am here.

Where the heck are you? Australia?

hal9000
Aug 7, 2006, 01:21 AM
It would be cool if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-Cal.) made a surprise appearance and said - "Hasta la vista, Vista!"

Josias
Aug 7, 2006, 01:22 AM
They should post this:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2733/windowsvistagc0.jpg

I love Apple slaughtering Windows...:D

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 01:28 AM
It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings. A couple of notes:

I don't care that the ipod isn't on the icons, you know, its a developer banner. Most of those items are developer related, not all, but most, in one way or another. What is more interesting is they didnt show the front of the powermac....but that doesn't mean anything. Everything they show on that banner is publically released. There needs to be visuals when people first come in that aren't covered in black cloth! So don't read anything into that, they could completely change the design.

Its doubful much of the hanging banners will be OS X 10.5 related unless their is a huge feature. They are already taking up a considerable amount of hanging space for bragging rights. I would expect new hardware to be hidden under those displays, atleast two of them.... MacPro and Xserve. Possibly something unexpected. Maybe Xcode 3 or something will be heavily promoted.

I know I personally would love better SOAP integration with XCode. We use .NET at work all the time to write web services, and we end up using .NET clients running under parallels on our macs, because keeping the SOAP proxy stub code up-to-date is automatic with .NET....you have to go thru hell with Xcode. I think Apple will fill that gap with the new xcode (there were command line tools in the latest version).

Obviously we will have the resolution independance in OS X 10.5. Probably some new security and new workgroup/networking enhancements. We probably can all agree one would be networked spotlight, if you are running 10.5 servers, the clients will ask the server to search its spotlight data for the same data the client is searching for, and give a combined response.....its the one thing of OS X Tiger I hated, the inability to search the network with the same ease.

I'd probably also expect desktop widgets from dashboard....why? Why not, people have used hacks to do it, plus MS has it as an option in Vista.

We'll probably see Apple rolling in features that Vista has, such as combined videos and photos in slideshows. Not that its nessecary, but its damn easy with Cocoa to do such things and why get left behind? Don't let microsoft take a win.

We may also see a system wide Software Update now, which would really be nice. Letting 3rd party developers update their software with the same system.

My employees here at the office really don't care for apple's Mail program, I'd expect some updates to give it the features its been lacking. Same with address book. Of course, these have been rumored for a long time...and for good reason, its needed. Maybe expect a new mail/scheduling server like Exchange, Apple's been rumored to be working on one.

I'd also expect major updates to iChat.... probably MSN and Yahoo support, as well as VoIP.

but none of those things I've said are that huge........so I'm hoping for some really major surprises :)

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 01:30 AM
Where the heck are you? Australia?

Could be Western Australia, here in Sydney it will be 3am when the conference kicks off.

Could be:

AUSTRALIA (Western Australia- Perth)
BRUNEI DARUSSALAM (Bandar Seri Begawan)
CHINA (Beijing, Shanghai)
HONG KONG (China)
INDONESIA (central- Bali, Borneo, Celebes/Ujung Pandang)
MACAU (Macao)
MALAYSIA (Kuala Lumpur)
MONGOLIA (Ulaanbaatar dst)
PHILIPPINES (Manila)
RUSSIA (ZONE 7- Irkutsk dst, Ulan-Ude dst, Bratsk dst, Ust'-Ordynsky dst)
SINGAPORE (Singapore)
TAIWAN (Taipei)

Applespider
Aug 7, 2006, 01:30 AM
will apple be broadcasting this at the union square store? i don't think they've done so in the past, but since i'm in the city this week i thought i'd mosey on down to the store at around 10 and see what's playing in the theater ;)

Probably better waiting til near the end of the Keynote and see if any large boxes suddenly emerge from the back. IIRC, there are reports in the past of people hotfooting it from the Keynote to the nearest store since there's sometimes limited stock of an item there.

adam1185
Aug 7, 2006, 01:33 AM
Here's the best "Hasta La Vista, Vista." picture so far from MacNN

http://images.macnn.com/macnn/wwdc06/CIMG0473.jpg

redAPPLE
Aug 7, 2006, 01:34 AM
It would be cool if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-Cal.) made a surprise appearance and said - "Hasta la vista, Vista!"

unfortunately, i think, he is a pc guy.

Zzzoom
Aug 7, 2006, 01:39 AM
Blah, it should read "Mac OS X Leopard, introducing Panter 2.0"
I think apple would at least use a spellchecker... :p

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 01:46 AM
Maybe Xcode 3 or something will be heavily promoted.

I know I personally would love better SOAP integration with XCode. We use .NET at work all the time to write web services, and we end up using .NET clients running under parallels on our macs, because keeping the SOAP proxy stub code up-to-date is automatic with .NET....you have to go thru hell with Xcode. I think Apple will fill that gap with the new xcode (there were command line tools in the latest version).

I use to know my development talk, but not having done any coding in a few years my reaction to what you just said was: hu? :D


Obviously we will have the resolution independance in OS X 10.5. Probably some new security and new workgroup/networking enhancements. We probably can all agree one would be networked spotlight, if you are running 10.5 servers, the clients will ask the server to search its spotlight data for the same data the client is searching for, and give a combined response.....its the one thing of OS X Tiger I hated, the inability to search the network with the same ease.

I would love easier active directory integration, in windows is very easy, but doing it on a mac is a bit to much! Would like network spotlight without needing 10.5 server, in the home environment I can definately see the use for network search, but definately no 10.5 server!


We may also see a system wide Software Update now, which would really be nice. Letting 3rd party developers update their software with the same system.

Totally agreed, and with that rumored birrent support as well!


I'd also expect major updates to iChat.... probably MSN and Yahoo support, as well as VoIP.

iChat needs a upgrade, the only reason I ever use it is because Aduim doesnt do video!

edit: fixed spelling

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 01:51 AM
I use to know my development talk, but not having done any coding in a few years my reaction to what you just said was: hu? :D


SOAP is a protocol that passes XML over HTTP......it basically allows client apps to access data from remote servers.

Applescript has some tools to make it easy....if you want to use applescript, but Cocoa really doesn't. You have to hard code every function in a wrapper library to make the HTTP call, get the parsed resposnes, etc

In Microsoft.NET, you add a "Web Reference" to your project, it scans the WDSL webservice description file on the internet to figure out what functions are there, and then builds a C# class that acts like its a local peice of code. You just call the functions natively from your program, and you'd never know you are talking to a remote server. If the server program changes, one click in your client project updates that stub-proxy file to the newest WDSL, click compile and bam, you have access to the latest and greatest functions from the server.

With Xcode......you really have to do alot of work by hand. We have a web service with thousands of functions to access our ecommerce system, we want to make a Mac OS native version of our client, but the shear amount of time spent making/maintaining a proxy stub in Xcode by hand would be more than the amount of work porting the user interface. I'm really hoping they automate this!

Some_Big_Spoon
Aug 7, 2006, 01:51 AM
Wouldn't that mean that Adium needs the upgrade? ;-)

iChat needs a upgrade, the only reason I ever use it is because Aduim doesnt do video!

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 02:25 AM
SOAP is a protocol that passes XML over HTTP......it basically allows client apps to access data from remote servers.

Applescript has some tools to make it easy....if you want to use applescript, but Cocoa really doesn't. You have to hard code every function in a wrapper library to make the HTTP call, get the parsed resposnes, etc

In Microsoft.NET, you add a "Web Reference" to your project, it scans the WDSL webservice description file on the internet to figure out what functions are there, and then builds a C# class that acts like its a local peice of code. You just call the functions natively from your program, and you'd never know you are talking to a remote server. If the server program changes, one click in your client project updates that stub-proxy file to the newest WDSL, click compile and bam, you have access to the latest and greatest functions from the server.

With Xcode......you really have to do alot of work by hand. We have a web service with thousands of functions to access our ecommerce system, we want to make a Mac OS native version of our client, but the shear amount of time spent making/maintaining a proxy stub in Xcode by hand would be more than the amount of work porting the user interface. I'm really hoping they automate this!

Cool! I have writen a few of applications that use the RPC mechanism in JAVA, but like I said, that was ages ago. My MS development skills ended with VB6, and even in comparison I feel XCode needs some work.

Wouldn't that mean that Adium needs the upgrade? ;-)

LOL, I does actaully ye, but if apple want to compete they desperately need to do something to iChat, especially on their own platfrom where there is another application that is far supperior to what they offer (and few will disagree with this statement), its just a shame!

smacman
Aug 7, 2006, 02:26 AM
I just love this Vista trashing. I seriously hope Apple can create enough stir to put Vista in the 'Recycle Bin'. :p

kugino
Aug 7, 2006, 02:41 AM
I just love this Vista trashing. I seriously hope Apple can create enough stir to put Vista in the 'Recycle Bin'. :p
sadly, all this vista trashing is probably not going to sway the masses to go out and buy a mac. i mean, who in the general population even knows that WWDC is upon us? still, it's fun for the rest of us who do care! :)

williwilli
Aug 7, 2006, 02:49 AM
here's my assesment of the situation; a complete and reasonable roundup of what to expect at the show

http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1184

shadowmoses
Aug 7, 2006, 02:55 AM
here's my assesment of the situation; a complete and reasonable roundup of what to expect at the show

http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1184

Seems like a pretty good roundup of what will happen, I would like to see the iPhone with support for VOIP via wi-fi with iChat 4 that would be really sweet......

Can't wait WWDC is going to be great,

ShadoW

odedia
Aug 7, 2006, 02:56 AM
I will be surprised if Vista comes out with most features in leopard, even if they are hacked wanna be copies. They have done it before and with the preview Apple will just give them one more chance to do it. What I don't think they will be able to copy is the features in the iApps that will come out or core video effects. Well, not without raising the requirements to run vista yet again.

Windows Vista is feature complete. What exists today in the beta versions out there is what will be in the final product. Now all they do is handle bug fixes and performance problems.

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 02:59 AM
Any Aussies staying up? I think i will have to.

Why can't Steve do his Keynote at like 4pm over in the US, that we'd be able to wake up at 9. Anyways! As long as he has a big sleigh i don't care

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2006, 03:04 AM
Any Aussies staying up? I think i will have to.

Why can't Steve do his Keynote at like 4pm over in the US, that we'd be able to wake up at 9. Anyways! As long as he has a big sleigh i don't care

I'll be up at 2am-ish for the keynote histeria.

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 03:09 AM
More pictures of the banners

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 03:16 AM
here's my assesment of the situation; a complete and reasonable roundup of what to expect at the show

http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1184

Those sound like very reasonable expectations to me, but Apple specializes in the unexpected! :cool:

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 03:23 AM
Those sound like very reasonable expectations to me, but Apple specializes in the unexpected! :cool:

hdmi monitors? i'm not completely savy in the technology but if they begin to use standards such as Blu-ray will dvi stand up

daneoni
Aug 7, 2006, 03:27 AM
Anyone got any ideas of when the keynote starts in the good ol UK?, i'm guessing 6pm ish?

msp
Aug 7, 2006, 03:28 AM
It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings. A couple of notes:

I know I personally would love better SOAP integration with XCode. We use .NET at work all the time to write web services, and we end up using .NET clients running under parallels on our macs, because keeping the SOAP proxy stub code up-to-date is automatic with .NET....you have to go thru hell with Xcode. I think Apple will fill that gap with the new xcode (there were command line tools in the latest version).



Have you tried rubyonrails? I've done some webservices for testing, and this is very slick.
Just give it a testdrive (www.rubyonrails.com)

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 03:29 AM
An image of the new iPhone just came out! I can't reveal the source I got it from, but you have to trust me, this is the real deal!

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 03:31 AM
An image of the new iPhone just came out! I can't reveal the source I got it from, but you have to trust me, this is the real deal!

OMG!!

Dat iz teh secks!!

Josias
Aug 7, 2006, 03:32 AM
Anyone got any ideas of when the keynote starts in the good ol UK?, i'm guessing 6pm ish?

It's starting 7 pm in Denmark, but I can tell you, the minute I post this, there is 8 hours and 27 minutes till the Keynote...:D

gauchogolfer
Aug 7, 2006, 03:34 AM
It's starting 7 pm in Denmark, but I can tell you, the minute I post this, there is 8 hours and 27 minutes till the Keynote...:D

Too bad you have to wait longer than me. It's only 8:26 for me till it starts :D . Yay France!<sarcasm>

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 03:35 AM
Have you tried rubyonrails? I've done some webservices for testing, and this is very slick.
Just give it a testdrive (www.rubyonrails.com)

Not really what I'm looking for, I'm trying to connect a Cocoa-app to a web service with minimal work; Rubyonrails looks like its primarily for developing web applications. But thanks anyways.

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 03:38 AM
OMG!!

Dat iz teh secks!!

I know! But this is special insider info I'm showing just to you, you can't let anyone else see it, you have to keep it a secret!

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2006, 03:42 AM
I know! But this is special insider info I'm showing just to you, you can't let anyone else see it, you have to keep it a secret!

Only 100 songs max I suppose ;)

seenew
Aug 7, 2006, 03:43 AM
Are there going to be static downloads of the event? I mean, one I can save to view later? I hate streams, so badly.

aafuss1
Aug 7, 2006, 03:46 AM
Logic-already runs great on 32 bit Intel Macs. A update-v 7.3 that includes additional optimisations for Mac Pro users would be welcome.
V8-could do the same, although my Babya Logic Pro 2 (http://babyasoftwaregr.livejournal.com/53070.html)
has better and interesting features, which Apple could implement in some way.

Safari-voice control of browser, a la Opera-extend VoiceOver to Safari for disabled users.

Some iPod tubes from Apple for the 5th gen would be nice-better quality than others.
GM-has Holden (Australians like me know this brand) thought of iPod intergration-2008 models?

Josias
Aug 7, 2006, 03:48 AM
Are there going to be static downloads of the event? I mean, one I can save to view later? I hate streams, so badly.

I dunno about that. I had hoped you could download it in HD from Apple' website:D , and though it would take 44 days and nights, I'd be willing to do it... But I think we're gonna have to do with something a bit less. To be honest, I don't care about the Keynote. I just want to read about it on MR, and see a more detailed and graphically advanced description of the products on Apple.com a few hours later...:rolleyes:

iJawn108
Aug 7, 2006, 03:51 AM
*hopes for 802.11n airports!*;)

Cowinacape
Aug 7, 2006, 03:51 AM
Just wanted to say thanks to MR for setting up a convenient keynote feed for us! Thanks!:cool:

kretzy
Aug 7, 2006, 03:52 AM
Any Aussies staying up? I think i will have to.
I'm still considering my options. I'd like to stay up but it starts around 3am here and I have to be at uni by 10am and Tuesdays are my fullest day. I might try to get to sleep earlier than usual around 12 and then get up for it.

Stupid timezones.

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 03:54 AM
Only 100 songs max I suppose ;)

Dude, it's even better than that! Its song capacity is only limited by how many cassette tapes you can carry!

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2006, 03:56 AM
Dude, it's even better than that! Its song capacity is only limited by how many cassette tapes you can carry!

Is there a car phone version that plugs directly into the tape deck?

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 04:00 AM
Is there a car phone version that plugs directly into the tape deck?

No, but 3rd parties sell an adaptor that will let you do it.

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:02 AM
Happy WWDC Eve everyone! May tomorrow bring you everything you wanted! :rolleyes: ;) :D

Josh

Why does the counter on MR homepage say it starts today?

Is that the official opening time with the main event i.e. Keynote Tuesday?

Excuse my ignorance but right up till now I thought it started Tuesday. I even saw a page on Apples site that had the week planner on it for WWDC. :confused: Maybe I was too excited and missed Monday?

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 04:02 AM
And cars are going to come with a special dock built in to the dash that interfaces your iPhone with your car. They're calling it the Apple Basket.

pknz
Aug 7, 2006, 04:08 AM
Yeah I dont think I will get up at 4am. School day tomorrow, pity really. Look forward to seeing new products when I wake up tomorrow though.

Happy WWDC2006 everyone.:cool:

Cue
Aug 7, 2006, 04:09 AM
Why does the counter on MR homepage say it starts today?

Is that the official opening time with the main event i.e. Keynote Tuesday?

Excuse my ignorance but right up till now I thought it started Tuesday. I even saw a page on Apples site that had the week planner on it for WWDC. :confused: Maybe I was too excited and missed Monday?


Steve Jobs Headlines Keynote Address and Leopard Preview (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedules/monday_am.html)

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:09 AM
It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings. A couple of notes:

I don't care that the ipod isn't on the icons, you know, its a developer banner. Most of those items are developer related, not all, but most, in one way or another. What is more interesting is they didnt show the front of the powermac....but that doesn't mean anything. Everything they show on that banner is publically released. There needs to be visuals when people first come in that aren't covered in black cloth! So don't read anything into that, they could completely change the design.

Its doubful much of the hanging banners will be OS X 10.5 related unless their is a huge feature. They are already taking up a considerable amount of hanging space for bragging rights. I would expect new hardware to be hidden under those displays, atleast two of them.... MacPro and Xserve. Possibly something unexpected. Maybe Xcode 3 or something will be heavily promoted.

I know I personally would love better SOAP integration with XCode. We use .NET at work all the time to write web services, and we end up using .NET clients running under parallels on our macs, because keeping the SOAP proxy stub code up-to-date is automatic with .NET....you have to go thru hell with Xcode. I think Apple will fill that gap with the new xcode (there were command line tools in the latest version).

Obviously we will have the resolution independance in OS X 10.5. Probably some new security and new workgroup/networking enhancements. We probably can all agree one would be networked spotlight, if you are running 10.5 servers, the clients will ask the server to search its spotlight data for the same data the client is searching for, and give a combined response.....its the one thing of OS X Tiger I hated, the inability to search the network with the same ease.

I'd probably also expect desktop widgets from dashboard....why? Why not, people have used hacks to do it, plus MS has it as an option in Vista.

We'll probably see Apple rolling in features that Vista has, such as combined videos and photos in slideshows. Not that its nessecary, but its damn easy with Cocoa to do such things and why get left behind? Don't let microsoft take a win.

We may also see a system wide Software Update now, which would really be nice. Letting 3rd party developers update their software with the same system.

My employees here at the office really don't care for apple's Mail program, I'd expect some updates to give it the features its been lacking. Same with address book. Of course, these have been rumored for a long time...and for good reason, its needed. Maybe expect a new mail/scheduling server like Exchange, Apple's been rumored to be working on one.

I'd also expect major updates to iChat.... probably MSN and Yahoo support, as well as VoIP.

but none of those things I've said are that huge........so I'm hoping for some really major surprises :)

Interesting read but im not sure about system wide Software update. It could be like opening a can of worms - although it wont smell and have soil on it, it could become a weakpoint for hackers/viruses etc. :(

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:15 AM
Steve Jobs Headlines Keynote Address and Leopard Preview (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedules/monday_am.html)

Well thats good. But why are people still speaking about tommorrow?

EDIT: Oh I know, TIME ZONES!!!!

Damn i AM a dumbass!

tvguru
Aug 7, 2006, 04:23 AM
Any Aussies staying up? I think i will have to.

Why can't Steve do his Keynote at like 4pm over in the US, that we'd be able to wake up at 9. Anyways! As long as he has a big sleigh i don't care

I'm at school in Brisbane and I never understood why anyone would stay up for these while I was back home in Canada, but I'll be up tonight for the keynote. The thought of people knowing about the outcome hours before I do is keeping me up. :o

Just need to find something to pass the time until 3 am.:rolleyes:

Edit: Looks like I should really update my profile. I now have a 17" MacBook Pro and just the Nano.

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 04:26 AM
Interesting read but im not sure about system wide Software update. It could be like opening a can of worms - although it wont smell and have soil on it, it could become a weakpoint for hackers/viruses etc. :(

If done the right way I dont see how it could be a problem. For one, the user has to explicitly add the 3rd party product, apple could also act as a intermediary or something, the update will only become available through software update once apple has tested it (can download it youself when released), and even though the update comes from the 3rd parties webserver the hash is stored on apples servers and the update HAS to be verified and compared to the hash.

edit: spelling

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 04:31 AM
If done the right way I dont see how it could be a problem. For one, the user has to explicitly add the 3rd party product, apple could also act as a intermediary or something, the update will only become available through software update once apple has tested it (can download it youself when released), and even though the update comes from the 3rd parties webserver the hash is stored on apples servers and the update HAS to be verified and compared to the hash.

edit: spelling

Or distribute from Apple's servers like the OS updates and the problem disappears, no more security problems than if you were going for OS updates.....

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:33 AM
Just need to find something to pass the time until 3 am.:rolleyes:


Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:34 AM
If done the right way I dont see how it could be a problem. For one, the user has to explicitly add the 3rd party product, apple could also act as a intermediary or something, the update will only become available through software update once apple has tested it (can download it youself when released), and even though the update comes from the 3rd parties webserver the hash is stored on apples servers and the update HAS to be verified and compared to the hash.

edit: spelling

Thats the thing. I cant see Apple going through all that for little or no benefit for themselves.

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 04:37 AM
Keynote is 6pm for us in the UK.


Since I started reading this thread, it's gone from 5 pages to 7! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I can't WAIT!!!! How long does it take Apple to get the videos up on their homepage, and what kind of videos are they? My broadband aint too quick, so it often stutters when playing back larger videos...

Belly-laughs
Aug 7, 2006, 04:40 AM
Why else would Intel advertise on the MacRumors Live Update page? :)

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:41 AM
Keynote is 6pm for us in the UK.


Since I started reading this thread, it's gone from 5 pages to 7! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I can't WAIT!!!! How long does it take Apple to get the videos up on their homepage, and what kind of videos are they? My broadband aint too quick, so it often stutters when playing back larger videos...

Its usually streamed at about 640x480 a few hours after. Im on 4mb line and it still stutters occasionally. Apple..com and store usually is updated by about 11pm. Get your credit cards ready!

tvguru
Aug 7, 2006, 04:41 AM
Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D

You have a point, but it's already 7:40 pm on Monday here so your work day would already be done. Plus I'm in Australia so how much can I really complain?

On a side note:
Maybe some Aussies can help me understand the price difference of computers here. Back home I bought the 17" MacBook Pro for something like $3,300 AUD and I come over here and it's in the $4,500 AUD range. I did get the student discount back home, but that's a huge margin.

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 04:42 AM
Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D

Yeah, but you have to live in the UK. It all works out

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 04:43 AM
You have a point, but it's already 7:40 pm on Monday here so your work day would already be done. Plus I'm in Australia so how much can I really complain?

On a side note:
Maybe some Aussies can help me understand the price difference of computers here. Back home I bought the 17" MacBook Pro for something like $3,300 AUD and I come over here and it's in the $4,500 AUD range. I did get the student discount back home, but that's a huge margin.

Tell me about it, the 15" 2.16Ghz is $3518 edu, its not as bad as it use to be

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:47 AM
Yeah, but you have to live in the UK. It all works out

Yes living in th UK is like punishment for being born at the moment. Can I stay with you in Aussie? I have a G5 and a MacBook you can use. :D

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 04:48 AM
Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D


South Africa here, leave work-> go to gym and work up a sweat -> macrumors -> have dinner during keynote -> go to bed and have sweet dreams about new iphone! :D :D Life is good! LOL

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 04:48 AM
I like the UK. B&O have their entire product range here, wheras they don't in Australia...

tvguru
Aug 7, 2006, 04:51 AM
I like the UK. B&O have their entire product range here, wheras they don't in Australia...

B&O?
Edit:
I'm assuming Bang & Olufsen, I've never heard of them.
Google is my friend

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 04:52 AM
B&O?

Bang & Olufsen :rolleyes:

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 04:54 AM
The Apple of hifi :cool:

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 04:54 AM
Yes living in th UK is like punishment for being born at the moment. Can I stay with you in Aussie? I have a G5 and a MacBook you can use. :D

To think you guys thought it was punishment to ship us here. I laugh

I already have one of each, though my MacBook does randomly shut down. But another G5, hmmmm, well i don't use my Quad with 4gb 1tb 7800 to its potential anyway.

Once again the UK is redundant. Wait until we play England in the Ashes, omg, we are going to destroy you.

ph_555_shag
Aug 7, 2006, 04:56 AM
B&O.... mmmmmm

ill be up with the Aussie crew at a ridiculously early time, probably sleep for a few hours first, Uni tomorrow.... oh the pain!... wish there was a live feed.... DAMN YOU APPLE

7 hours and 1 min to go!

motulist
Aug 7, 2006, 04:56 AM
Boy, we are a quite a multinational group. If only the rest of the people in the nations of the world could come together through Macness the way that we all have, then there would be no more wars. Actually, it'd probably just mean we'd have different kinds of wars, like the Nano vs. Video iPod war. :p

daneoni
Aug 7, 2006, 04:58 AM
Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D

Agreed. I dont have anything to do so might just head to my apple store and view some of the boring presentations respond to some emails/forums..might even meet a looker (anyone noticed there are some attractive women in apple stores). Order some takeout and come home and lounge to MR. Then order a MacPro/MacBook Pro.....Good times.

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 04:58 AM
I like the UK. B&O have their entire product range here, wheras they don't in Australia...

Their store in Melbourne CBD is pretty comprehensive, i don't know what they are missing but im pretty sure they could get it for you if you wanted it

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 05:00 AM
You have a point, but it's already 7:40 pm on Monday here so your work day would already be done. Plus I'm in Australia so how much can I really complain?

On a side note:
Maybe some Aussies can help me understand the price difference of computers here. Back home I bought the 17" MacBook Pro for something like $3,300 AUD and I come over here and it's in the $4,500 AUD range. I did get the student discount back home, but that's a huge margin.

Edit:
Hmmm, location still didn't change.

US Store, 17" MBP (no taxes): AUD$3655
AU Store, 17" MBP (no GST): AUD$3999
CAN Store, 17" MBP (no taxes): AUD$3591

You have to add sales tax to the US and Canadian prices as they are not only aren't displayed in the price but the taxes differ from state to state/province to province. Aussie GST is quoted in the price and is that same across the country so a 17" MBP costs exactly the same in every state.

The difference is about $400 which is pretty big but we're not a big market, thus selling to us costs more as the size of the market can't make up for the increased cost of getting the products to us.

We also make more money, I remember a while ago doing a comparison between a waiter on Aussie award wages and US minimum wage in the purchase of an iBook. The US waiter would have to work ~2x as many hours as the aussie waiter to afford an iBook at our respective online Apple Stores.

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 05:02 AM
To think you guys thought it was punishment to ship us here. I laugh.

I already have one of each, though my MacBook does randomly shut down. But another G5, hmmmm, well i don't use my Quad with 4gb 1tb 7800 to its potential anyway.

Once again the UK is redundant. Wait until we play England in the Ashes, omg, we are going to destroy you.

Instead of shipping 'you guys' out there. I would of shipped myself over there and left 'you guys' here. Makes more sense! ;)

About the extra G5 does it help my case if i say im considering a Mac Pro and any possible huge 40"+ screen they produce (if any).

I dont follow cricket but I'll kick your ass at football! :D

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 05:03 AM
I think us Aussies make up a fair portion of this forum

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 05:08 AM
I dont follow cricket but I'll kick your ass at football! :D

Last time we played we beat you 3-0 in England im pretty sure.

We should have won the bloody world cup.

We dominated against Italy until Grosso dived and got the most dodgy penalty in history, then we would have smashed ukraine in the quarters, then we would have been in the semi's against Germany, then anythign could have happened. Lets just say FIFA didnt want us to win, because its the one sport we 'aren't meant to dominate'. So the ref played it that way.

People should have learned not to count out an Aussie. Our spirit means we have the best in every field from sport to soldiers.

We would kick ur ass

britishempire
Aug 7, 2006, 05:10 AM
Blah. I hate that "Vista 2.0" banner. It's like, saying that Leopard is comparable with Windows.

Also, you can bet that whatever MS release as "Vista 2.0" will be pretty shoddy compared to Leopard.

Mind you, Vista is looking like Tiger 0.6 or something, so maybe they're poking fun at MS for ripping off so much of their stuff.

"Leopard - The final nail in Vista's coffin"

miniConvert
Aug 7, 2006, 05:11 AM
Last time we played we beat you 3-0 in England im pretty sure.

We should have won the bloody world cup.

We dominated against Italy until Grosso dived and got the most dodgy penalty in history, then we would have smashed ukraine in the quarters, then we would have been in the semi's against Germany, then anythign could have happened. Lets just say FIFA didnt want us to win, because its the one sport we 'aren't meant to dominate'. So the ref played it that way.

People should have learned not to count out an Aussie. Our spirit means we have the best in every field from sport to soldiers.

We would kick ur ass
Well, that's certainly a 'spirited' post! O_o

PCMacUser
Aug 7, 2006, 05:11 AM
We also make more money, I remember a while ago doing a comparison between a waiter on Aussie award wages and US minimum wage in the purchase of an iBook. The US waiter would have to work ~2x as many hours as the aussie waiter to afford an iBook at our respective online Apple Stores.
Aussie waiters must earn a fortune. My sister in law worked as a waitress in the USA and earned over US$1000 per weekend in wages and tips. So what's it like in Oz?

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 05:11 AM
Last time we played we beat you 3-0 in England im pretty sure.

We should have won the bloody world cup.

We dominated against Italy until Grosso dived and got the most dodgy penalty in history, then we would have smashed ukraine in the quarters, then we would have been in the semi's against Germany, then anythign could have happened. Lets just say FIFA didnt want us to win, because its the one sport we 'aren't meant to dominate'. So the ref played it that way.

People should have learned not to count out an Aussie. Our spirit means we have the best in every field from sport to soldiers.

We would kick ur ass

I didnt mean the England team. They cant win anything - in my opinion because of all the media crap. I meant I would PERSONALLY KICK YOUR ASS! :D

Anyhoo... lets not get off topic. Leopard and MacPros. WOO WOO!!!!! :D

tvguru
Aug 7, 2006, 05:12 AM
US Store, 17" MBP (no taxes): AUD$3655
AU Store, 17" MBP (no GST): AUD$3999
CAN Store, 17" MBP (no taxes): AUD$3591

You have to add sales tax to the US and Canadian prices as they are not only aren't displayed in the price but the taxes differ from state to state/province to province. Aussie GST is quoted in the price and is that same across the country so a 17" MBP costs exactly the same in every state.

The difference is about $400 which is pretty big but we're not a big market, thus selling to us costs more as the size of the market can't make up for the increased cost of getting the products to us.

We also make more money, I remember a while ago doing a comparison between a waiter on Aussie award wages and US minimum wage in the purchase of an iBook. The US waiter would have to work ~2x as many hours as the aussie waiter to afford an iBook at our respective online Apple Stores.

Thanks for that, I forgot that the prices always tax included. This makes a lot more sense now.

Edit: Grammar

PCMacUser
Aug 7, 2006, 05:13 AM
Last time we played we beat you 3-0 in England im pretty sure.

We should have won the bloody world cup.

We dominated against Italy until Grosso dived and got the most dodgy penalty in history, then we would have smashed ukraine in the quarters, then we would have been in the semi's against Germany, then anythign could have happened. Lets just say FIFA didnt want us to win, because its the one sport we 'aren't meant to dominate'. So the ref played it that way.

People should have learned not to count out an Aussie. Our spirit means we have the best in every field from sport to soldiers.

We would kick ur ass
Hahah bloody arrogant Australian.

YOU'RE STILL A COLONY OF SHEEP SHAGGERS! :D

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 05:13 AM
Boy, we are a quite a multinational group. If only the rest of the people in the nations of the world could come together through Macness the way that we all have, then there would be no more wars. Actually, it'd probably just mean we'd have different kinds of wars, like the Nano vs. Video iPod war. :p


I can see a war over that already brewing! :p

tvguru
Aug 7, 2006, 05:14 AM
Aussie waiters must earn a fortune. My sister in law worked as a waitress in the USA and earned over US$1000 per weekend in wages and tips. So what's it like in Oz?

I've learnt you don't really tip here. I gave the pizza guy something like $3. He was the happiest man on the face of the earth. (Until he reached the car again I'm sure)

BoyBach
Aug 7, 2006, 05:14 AM
Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D


Finish work at 5.30pm - 1 hour of 5-a-side footy (6.00 - 7.00pm) - drive home, eat & shower by 7.30pm - turn on Mac, log into MacRumors (hopefully it'll be running!) - and laugh at all you silly bugger's who have to spend £1000's on a new Mac and display :p

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 05:16 AM
Hahah bloody arrogant Australian.

YOU'RE STILL A COLONY OF SHEEP SHAGGERS! :D

Thats interesting coming from a New Zealander. Very interesting

You have to remember that you are a nation of Australian wannabes

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 05:18 AM
Aussie waiters must earn a fortune. My sister in law worked as a waitress in the USA and earned over US$1000 per weekend in wages and tips. So what's it like in Oz?

We don't get tips. The comparison was between minimum wage in Alberta, Canada and regular award wages in NSW (same as minimum wage).

NSW minimum wage for class 3 waiter at age 23: $17ph mon-fri, $20ph sat, $24ph sun.

Alberta minimum wage ~5.90ph regardless of day, level and age.

Mind you this was back in 2004, both wages have gone up since.

I earnt over $5000 in about 3 months working 5 nights a week for a max of about 5 hours per shift.

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 05:19 AM
Thats interesting coming from a New Zealander. Very interesting



Thats what i thought :rolleyes:

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 05:21 AM
Hahah bloody arrogant Australian.

YOU'RE STILL A COLONY OF SHEEP SHAGGERS! :D

(kiwi)Thet's a but ruch.(/kiwi)

A Kiwi calling us a bunch of sheep shaggers, aren't velcro gloves part of the New Zealand national dress?

odo
Aug 7, 2006, 05:23 AM
Anyone dares to read "Vista 2" as "Vista too"?
Virtualisation built-in so Leopard does Vista too?
Would surprise me, but still...

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 05:26 AM
Mac Pro
Mac Prostitute

hmmmm............

sounds a bit contentious to me

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 05:26 AM
It says Vista 2.0, not 2...

Can we please talk about the subject of the thread, not about shagging farmyard animals?

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 05:27 AM
6hrs 33 minutes.

what is it about 3 am in the states. I wonder what steve would be dreaming about

diogowerner
Aug 7, 2006, 05:29 AM
Mac OS X Leopard for Mac+PC :eek:

While MS is thinking about an "iPod killer", Apple releases a "Windows killer" :p

thejadedmonkey
Aug 7, 2006, 05:31 AM
It says Vista 2.0, not 2...

Can we please talk about the subject of the thread, not about shagging farmyard animals?
But shagging farmyard animals is so much fun!:eek:
6hrs 33 minutes.

what is it about 3 am in the states. I wonder what steve would be dreaming about
6:31 EST

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 05:32 AM
It says Vista 2.0, not 2...

Can we please talk about the subject of the thread, not about shagging farmyard animals?

I think we better do. He looks serious. But hes not moved for ages! :D

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 05:32 AM
Apple releases a "Windows killer" :p


Apple Bricks for Windows? :p :p :p

PCMacUser
Aug 7, 2006, 05:40 AM
Thats what i thought :rolleyes:
Haha I was trying to help you out and you turn on me?! What are you, Italian? :p

Hmm, now who have I missed...

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 05:40 AM
Finish work at 5.30pm - 1 hour of 5-a-side footy (6.00 - 7.00pm) - drive home, eat & shower by 7.30pm - turn on Mac, log into MacRumors (hopefully it'll be running!) - and laugh at all you silly bugger's who have to spend £1000's on a new Mac and display :p


It is funny reading about how people all of a sudden HAVE to get something, or are upset about how their investment is now worthless or if apple will let them exchange their recently bouth XXX for the new model. :rolleyes:

I would love to be able to see some of the demos of leopard, I expect a lot of it, and screenshots wont work this time!

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 05:42 AM
Haha I was trying to help you out and you turn on me?! What are you, Italian? :p

You'd think that wouldn't you? :p

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 05:44 AM
Here we go again...

Timeline of my usual events for an Apple conference, all times are in AEST:

10pm: Some sort of massive leak comes out and we all post madly about it.

11pm: Someone figures out the leak must be fake and we all post madly about it.

12am: The hour of silence as all the Americans try to grab a few hours sleep.

1am: The east-coast of the US starts to wake up and post madly about the leak - the Europeans post endless "It's a fake, here's the link." posts, the Aussies who are awake begin to get incoherent in their posts (who me?).

2am: The forums are brought to a halt by an influx of newbies asking what the chinese writing on this picture of a "Video I-Pod" means.

3am: Kick-off, macrumourslive starts running their text updates, I fall asleep at least three times during the conference and wake up each time hoping I haven't missed anything cool.

4am: Conference is either still going or winding down, if it's still going, I fall asleep yet again, if it's winding down I get a tab going and reloading apple.com/au till all the information comes online.

5am: Conference is definitely over, forum may be flakey but online - hundreds are disappointed and vow to "wait for rev B" whilst hundreds more are refuting their claims of disappointment with long posts about money. I don't care because I'm asleep.

11am: Wha? Who? Where? Oh yeah? Time to get up. Pack up laptop and hop down to the net café to watch the Quicktime movies that have appeared on the Apple site at proper speed (not dial-up).

1pm: Lunch somewhere.

2pm: Net café again for uninterrupted stream of keynote.

3pm - 4pm: Reading forums for interesting tid-bits I'd missed, start thinking about a beer.

5pm: Pub, pretending not to be a Mac nerd who has just stayed up most the night looking at websites.

8pm: Home, dinner, hopefully not making the long distance call to Bourke on the porcelain telephone.

Thus endeth Apple Conference Day. For MWSF add 2 hours to the time.

ipearx
Aug 7, 2006, 05:48 AM
An iPhone, not as a cell phone, but as a landline skype style wifi cordless phone to go with iChat. Wouldn't that make sense for Apple to make? Ties in with their computers & iLife, would work in all countries, and would be easy, and possibly cheap for them to make.

Steve Jobs, would probably want want to make a phone that transitions seamlessly between indoor wifi and the cell networks.

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 05:50 AM
An iPhone, not as a cell phone, but as a landline skype style wifi cordless phone to go with iChat. Wouldn't that make sense for Apple to make? Ties in with their computers & iLife, would work in all countries, and would be easy, and possibly cheap for them to make.

Steve Jobs, would probably want want to make a phone that transitions seamlessly between indoor wifi and the cell networks.

I was thinking that. Maybe thats why the iPhone pix look more like a house phone instead of cell phone?

Hmmmm... ?

SaddY
Aug 7, 2006, 06:00 AM
Well this is kinda offtopic but I was wondering..

Since AMD took over ATI I think we won't be seeing to many ATI cards in future products of Apple. Since AMD is Intel's biggest competitor I'm afraid we will only see either Nvidia or Intel integrated Graphics from now on. Even if ATI cards are better.. I hope I'm wrong but it is something to think about ..

reflex
Aug 7, 2006, 06:04 AM
Since AMD took over ATI I think we won't be seeing to many ATI cards in future products of Apple.

Not letting Intel vendors include ATI products would be the best way for AMD to lose a lot of money.

You can also look at it like this:
ATI products sell well --> AMD makes lots of money --> AMD spends more money on research --> AMD makes better cpus --> AMD sells more cpus --> AMD makes even more money

(and yes I know it's of course a very simple way to look at things that are quite complex)

mum
Aug 7, 2006, 06:05 AM
Introducing Vista 2.0
No offense to Apple, but seriously. Is that the wittiest tag-line they can come up with for WWDC 2006? Gernot Poetsch shows that Apple has a lost its creative touch in his photoblog. To this, I just say, eh.
Heh, not only is that tag-line funny, but it's funny 'cause it's true. "Hasta la vista, vista"? That's great too. Paul's obviously irritated by it, and also annoyed by the fact that Apple marketshare is in fact growing, despite his disbelief in its ability ever to do so.

SaddY
Aug 7, 2006, 06:05 AM
Well I think it's not AMD who is against apple using ATI products.. not at all.. I think it will be Intel trying to prevent Apple from buying from their biggest competitor and rather have them buy at Nvidia (somewhat independant).

dpaanlka
Aug 7, 2006, 06:08 AM
For the sake of those who want to remain surprised until we see the video, there should be a page on MacRumors that says "will post link when video available" - so I can just check that page for the video to be uploaded later in the day. I plan to completely avoid all news until I see the video.

Can somebody do this?

diogowerner
Aug 7, 2006, 06:09 AM
I was thinking that. Maybe thats why the iPhone pix look more like a house phone instead of cell phone?

Hmmmm... ?

an iPhone "as a landline skype style wifi cordless phone to go with iChat" should have the display and the camera on the same side... right?

iLEZ
Aug 7, 2006, 06:09 AM
I work at a local newspaper in Sweden. The keynote starts about 19:00 here i think. I have not been able to work yet today, as MR takes up about 90% of my time. I hope everyone will be pleased with the keynote, and that MRs coverage will be as good as it always is! Cheers guys! =)

thejadedmonkey
Aug 7, 2006, 06:11 AM
For the sake of those who want to remain surprised until we see the video, there should be a page on MacRumors that says "will post link when video available" - so I can just check that page for the video to be uploaded later in the day. I plan to completely avoid all news until I see the video.

Can somebody do this?
This should help..
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/

dpaanlka
Aug 7, 2006, 06:13 AM
This should help..
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/

wow how did i miss that??

MacBoobsPro
Aug 7, 2006, 06:13 AM
an iPhone "as a landline skype style wifi cordless phone to go with iChat" should have the display and the camera on the same side... right?

True but Apple have been working on a screen that can display images as well as record them.

NATO
Aug 7, 2006, 06:17 AM
Not too brag or anything :D but it works out great for us in UK. Get in from work 5.30pm / open a beer / macrumors / keynote 6pm / tears of joy / rob bank 9pm / buy mac pro :D

^ sooo true :cool:

This is going to be one busy day.. I'm goin to get outta work at 4PM today, go home to find out if my MacBook Pro has arrived. If it hasn't, then it's off to the courier depot to collect it. Then it's back to the house, crack open a cold one and anxiously await news of the new Power Mac, credit card in hand.

At times it's very easy to curse Apple for its CIA Secrecy, but its days like this where the excitement builds hour after hour which really makes you glad that you're passionate about their products and the company as a whole.

And the best bit is that all my friends who haven't made the switch (yet) don't understand what all the fuss is about :P

MacVault
Aug 7, 2006, 06:25 AM
I'm hoping that Leopard is more of an increment than the last couple of OS X releases were. I'd still rather use Tiger than any other OS, but Apple really needs to address its UI inconsistencies and usability issues. For example, I think that printing and font management in OS X are much more complicated than they need to be...

In addition to printing and font management, how bout adding to the list networking access. The way one accesses networks in Windows seems much more straight forward, consistent, clean and intuitive in Windows XP than it does in OS X. That's my oppinion anyway. Maybe that's just me. Anyone else agree???

iLEZ
Aug 7, 2006, 06:34 AM
*snip* ... The way one accesses networks in Windows seems much more straight forward, consistent, clean and intuitive in Windows XP than it does in OS X. That's my oppinion anyway. Maybe that's just me. Anyone else agree???

Not really. I just moved to Mac and i was surprised by the intuitive networking in OSX. However, i agree that it still could be better. Why the aliases? Why won't it connect to the PC when i type its local IP adress? Why is it so hard to have a permanently mounted network drive on your mac? I keep loosing it, having to re-mount it everytime i have taken my MacBook out of WiFi-range. Such things. Maybe most of it is me being a newbie, but still, that proves that it is not intuitive enough.

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 06:42 AM
In addition to printing and font management, how bout adding to the list networking access. The way one accesses networks in Windows seems much more straight forward, consistent, clean and intuitive in Windows XP than it does in OS X. That's my oppinion anyway. Maybe that's just me. Anyone else agree???

I agree about the SMB shared volume connection thingy. It should be just like browsing a normal folder. It shouldn't mount it as a drive, unless you ask it to (like a network drive in Windows).

This seems like a much more logical way of doing things...

Lollypop
Aug 7, 2006, 06:46 AM
Not really. I just moved to Mac and i was surprised by the intuitive networking in OSX. However, i agree that it still could be better. Why the aliases? Why won't it connect to the PC when i type its local IP adress? Why is it so hard to have a permanently mounted network drive on your mac? I keep loosing it, having to re-mount it everytime i have taken my MacBook out of WiFi-range. Such things. Maybe most of it is me being a newbie, but still, that proves that it is not intuitive enough.


Networking in the Finder is one of the biggest complaints people seem to have. Said it before and will say it until its done, FTFF! :cool:

MacVault
Aug 7, 2006, 06:51 AM
Networking in the Finder is one of the biggest complaints people seem to have. Said it before and will say it until its done, FTFF! :cool:

Yea, FTFF is right! I wish we would see this morning that Apple has finally FTFF in Leopard, but I'm afraid we're still gonna see much of the same old stuff in there that gives us reason to want to FTFF. I hope I'm wrong though.

aafuss1
Aug 7, 2006, 06:54 AM
[B]Leopard
-Native NTFS write
-Soltaire game as a dashboard widget
-PC-run Mac OS X, but only via virtualization
-Tabs in Finder and Safari be draggable, Dragon Drop style tabbed windows-like OS 9, and be easily recalled-bookmarks.

Turbojugend27
Aug 7, 2006, 07:06 AM
Pretty bold statement for Apple, I don't think I would use that quite yet. As for myself I am buying my first apple in a week or so and can't wait, I don't think Apple has a userbase yet to be making statements like that.

thejadedmonkey
Aug 7, 2006, 07:07 AM
-Soltaire game as a dashboard widget

Yes! Take Solitare, the number 1 Windows game, and make it even easier to keep hidden when your boss walks by!:D

xUKHCx
Aug 7, 2006, 07:11 AM
Leopard
-Native NTFS write
[B]-Soltaire game as a dashboard widget
-PC-run Mac OS X, but only via virtualization
-Tabs in Finder and Safari be draggable, Dragon Drop style tabbed windows-like OS 9, and be easily recalled-bookmarks.

I quite like this one

http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/games/mondosolitaire.html

DavidLeblond
Aug 7, 2006, 07:23 AM
Heh, not only is that tag-line funny, but it's funny 'cause it's true. "Hasta la vista, vista"? That's great too. Paul's obviously irritated by it, and also annoyed by the fact that Apple marketshare is in fact growing, despite his disbelief in its ability ever to do so.

Paul's not a bad guy, in fact sometimes I think he's on the fence about what product to support. Look at the crap he writes. He'll praise Mac OS but then say something completely assinine such as "That feature's great, too bad they stole it from Longhorn!"

Then he'll praise the innovativeness of Vista, and in the next breath talk about how much of a piece of crap it is.

My favorite is when he says how awesome IE7 is... but he won't actually USE it, he uses Firefox. And he'll praise Ubuntu any chance he gets. I'm sure that REALLY steams Microsoft's shorts!

He gets paid to write about Windows, so of course he's going to issue it more praise and talk trash about Apple more. But pay close attention to the bad things he says about Mac OS and the bad things he said about Windows... he has a lot more bad things to say about Windows... his arguments about Mac OS are usually the stupid things like making fun of their marketshare. *yawn*

MattG
Aug 7, 2006, 07:23 AM
In addition to printing and font management, how bout adding to the list networking access. The way one accesses networks in Windows seems much more straight forward, consistent, clean and intuitive in Windows XP than it does in OS X. That's my oppinion anyway. Maybe that's just me. Anyone else agree???

Totally agree...that's one aspect of Windows that I do like better. Local networking on my Macs seems very sluggish compared to Windows.

Ever connect your laptop to a share on the network at work, put the laptop to sleep without disconnecting that share and then bring the computer home? Once the computer notices the share is no longer there, it basically hangs for about 30 seconds until it asks you to disconnect. Windows handles stuff like this MUCH better.

JoshH
Aug 7, 2006, 07:30 AM
For the sake of those who want to remain surprised until we see the video, there should be a page on MacRumors that says "will post link when video available" - so I can just check that page for the video to be uploaded later in the day. I plan to completely avoid all news until I see the video.

dpaanlka, you are stronger than I. ;)

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 07:31 AM
The ability to exclude certain windows from Expose "Show all Windows". Kind of irritating when there are, ahem, certain windows up that you would prefer your parents don't see...

When your finger misses F10 and gets to F11, it can be kind of irritating...

Daveway
Aug 7, 2006, 07:36 AM
[B]Leopard
-Native NTFS write
-Soltaire game as a dashboard widget
-PC-run Mac OS X, but only via virtualization
-Tabs in Finder and Safari be draggable, Dragon Drop style tabbed windows-like OS 9, and be easily recalled-bookmarks.

There will never be NTFS write abilities in Mac OS X for a long time as Microsoft still keeps NTFS writing a propritary technology only licensed for use in Windows XP.

MattG
Aug 7, 2006, 07:40 AM
I was kind of getting tired of Apple updating the iPods so often, but now that we've had all these recent updates to other hardware (laptops, iMacs), I'd be kind of excited now to see something really new and different from the iPod lineup. Here's to hoping for something with a huge screen and better video capabilities.

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:42 AM
There will never be NTFS write abilities in Mac OS X for a long time as Microsoft still keeps NTFS writing a propritary technology only licensed for use in Windows XP.

Oh, i wouldnt say that....
Microsoft and Apple did a 5-yr cross license of patents in 1997. Now, that doesnt mean you get access for only 5 years, that means anything that was patented up to 2002 is cross licensed perpetually between the two companies.

If NTFS is patented, it was around well before that date. If its not, then Apple just has to write the code to write NTFS.

Interesting question is; when did the first iPod patents arrive? Does MS have access to anything for Zune that creative & co didnt?

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:45 AM
I was kind of getting tired of Apple updating the iPods so often, but now that we've had all these recent updates to other hardware (laptops, iMacs), I'd be kind of excited now to see something really new and different from the iPod lineup. Here's to hoping for something with a huge screen and better video capabilities.

I personally wanna see a full home entertainment receiver so I can throw out this sony pos....give it built in airport, video out (slideshows, movies, etc), and make it do your speaker amp, a/v selection like any normal receiver does.....heck, give it a 1394a (or b) port on front to hook up your video camera, and stream it to your tv, or to your computer, or record it onto the built in DVD/HD-DVD or Blueray burner or DVR HD :P

If anyone can do it, they can.

MattG
Aug 7, 2006, 07:46 AM
I personally wanna see a full home entertainment receiver so I can throw out this sony pos....give it built in airport, video out (slideshows, movies, etc), and make it do your speaker amp, a/v selection like any normal receiver does.....heck, give it a 1394a (or b) port on front to hook up your video camera, and stream it to your tv, or to your computer, or record it onto the built in DVD/HD-DVD or Blueray burner or DVR HD :P

If anyone can do it, they can.

You and me both...I've been wanting this for a while, more than anything else from Apple. I'd buy one in a second if they release it this week.

coolfactor
Aug 7, 2006, 07:48 AM
OS X needs a robust Security System Preference Panel that provides virus checking and other defenses and actively monitors for intrusions.

Go to Sharing preference pane, enable the Firewall, click Advanced, and enabling Firewall Logging.

Your wish just came true. All blocked intrusions are now logged for your perusal.

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:50 AM
Go to Sharing preference pane, enable the Firewall, click Advanced, and enabling Firewall Logging.

Your wish just came true. All blocked intrusions are now logged for your perusal.

I think he means more like XP SP2 / Vista. They have a Security Center which gives you your firewall settings, antivirus (if installed) and spyware protection (if installed). Its nice to have it all in one place, no one wants to go digging thru logs, you are crazy.... LOL

Ktulu
Aug 7, 2006, 07:52 AM
Here we go again...

Timeline of my usual events for an Apple conference, all times are in AEST:

10pm: Some sort of massive leak comes out and we all post madly about it.

11pm: Someone figures out the leak must be fake and we all post madly about it.

12am: The hour of silence as all the Americans try to grab a few hours sleep.

1am: The east-coast of the US starts to wake up and post madly about the leak - the Europeans post endless "It's a fake, here's the link." posts, the Aussies who are awake begin to get incoherent in their posts (who me?).

2am: The forums are brought to a halt by an influx of newbies asking what the chinese writing on this picture of a "Video I-Pod" means.

3am: Kick-off, macrumourslive starts running their text updates, I fall asleep at least three times during the conference and wake up each time hoping I haven't missed anything cool.

4am: Conference is either still going or winding down, if it's still going, I fall asleep yet again, if it's winding down I get a tab going and reloading apple.com/au till all the information comes online.

5am: Conference is definitely over, forum may be flakey but online - hundreds are disappointed and vow to "wait for rev B" whilst hundreds more are refuting their claims of disappointment with long posts about money. I don't care because I'm asleep.

11am: Wha? Who? Where? Oh yeah? Time to get up. Pack up laptop and hop down to the net café to watch the Quicktime movies that have appeared on the Apple site at proper speed (not dial-up).

1pm: Lunch somewhere.

2pm: Net café again for uninterrupted stream of keynote.

3pm - 4pm: Reading forums for interesting tid-bits I'd missed, start thinking about a beer.

5pm: Pub, pretending not to be a Mac nerd who has just stayed up most the night looking at websites.

8pm: Home, dinner, hopefully not making the long distance call to Bourke on the porcelain telephone.

Thus endeth Apple Conference Day. For MWSF add 2 hours to the time.

Absolutely hysterical....but most likley very much on the mark. :cool:

ampd
Aug 7, 2006, 07:52 AM
When apple releases new products are they normally ready to ship that day? Hopefully they won't need to charge my card right away until they ship it at a later date...I have no money but am still gonna buy a new expensive mac pro.... :confused:

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:53 AM
Huh....so VM Ware finally got their act together; and its only pre-register for a future upcoming beta.

....you know, I'd have to say they dropped the ball on this one.
parallels not only did the public beta first, they released a final product a full month before VMWare announced beta.....and is in the Apple Store, office depot, staples.... heck, its even in Apple's TV commercials.....

VMWare might use to have had a good edge, but I think they lose out on the Mac oppurtunity.....

ecosse011172
Aug 7, 2006, 07:54 AM
^ sooo true :cool:

This is going to be one busy day.. I'm goin to get outta work at 4PM today, go home to find out if my MacBook Pro has arrived. If it hasn't, then it's off to the courier depot to collect it. Then it's back to the house, crack open a cold one and anxiously await news of the new Power Mac, credit card in hand.

At times it's very easy to curse Apple for its CIA Secrecy, but its days like this where the excitement builds hour after hour which really makes you glad that you're passionate about their products and the company as a whole.

And the best bit is that all my friends who haven't made the switch (yet) don't understand what all the fuss is about :P

You ordered a Macbook pro on the eve of WWDC. ARe you mad?

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:54 AM
When apple releases new products are they normally ready to ship that day? Hopefully they won't need to charge my card right away until they ship it at a later date...I have no money but am still gonna buy a new expensive mac pro.... :confused:

Depends, we've all seen them ship same day....on that rare occassion.
Then there are the times you sit and wait for 2 months....

.....or the one time that they announce that they screwed up and there is no product to sell, but they will announce the replacement in the next few months.....that one was my favorite......

brepublican
Aug 7, 2006, 07:55 AM
I think he means more like XP SP2 / Vista.
Well all those measure are bogus. OS X is far more secure than you can get from that Windows crap.

Thats why Leopard is Vista Reloaded, ver 2.0
:)

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:55 AM
You ordered a Macbook pro on the eve of WWDC. ARe you mad?

Don't taunt him too much, he might kill you once he finds out they are now 64-bit and higher speed!

aafuss1
Aug 7, 2006, 07:56 AM
Full-screen in Quicktime in Leopard, and m4v export for feee

brepublican
Aug 7, 2006, 07:58 AM
When apple releases new products are they normally ready to ship that day? Hopefully they won't need to charge my card right away until they ship it at a later date...I have no money but am still gonna buy a new expensive mac pro.... :confused:
:eek:

I have no money either. Thats why I'm just going to watch, get goose bumps and feel all warm and fuzzy inside :D

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 07:58 AM
Well all those measure are bogus. OS X is far more secure than you can get from that Windows crap.

Thats why Leopard is Vista Reloaded, ver 2.0
:)

Eh, but you still have to find the stuff and set it up. In XPSP2 all security related settings are in one place, its nice. And the OS keeps annoying the hell out of you if you dont turn the firewall on.....

OOH, and even better....this one I like:
XP SP2, with firewall enabled, will tell you when a application is attempting to make a network connection, ask for authorization (allow once, allow always, or never), and adjust your firewall settings. If you are playing a game, no more swearing, the OS tells you whats wrong and asks if you trust the application. Good for the clueless people (or, good for those damn games that dont document their TCP/UDP ports)

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 08:01 AM
One thing I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to see changed is the Network preference panel.

I HATE, HATE, HATE it!

On OSX clients its somewhat okay, but when you use OS X Server (yes, i know its the same) and you start setting up multi-homed boxes, using multiple ethernet connections, each with multiple IP addresses, it flippin sucks!

You have to keep hitting Duplicate adapter, and its 1 IP per virtual adapter!
Common Apple! 1 adapter, multiple IPs! Its easy, Microsoft lets you do it with a single click....you look at the adapter list, you know what port you are actually configuring! Damn UI idiots need to rethink that one

speaking of UI fixes, whats with Safari not scrolling the window when you are typing in a text box and the text box goes off the bottom of the window...grrrr

JRM PowerPod
Aug 7, 2006, 08:03 AM
Don't taunt him too much, he might kill you once he finds out they are now 64-bit and higher speed!

what about when steve says they have a new case and the 17" has an optional blu-ray drive. and they all have hdmi output. x1800 256/512

he will kill us all

Killyp
Aug 7, 2006, 08:04 AM
Eh, but you still have to find the stuff and set it up. In XPSP2 all security related settings are in one place, its nice. And the OS keeps annoying the hell out of you if you dont turn the firewall on.....

OOH, and even better....this one I like:
XP SP2, with firewall enabled, will tell you when a application is attempting to make a network connection, ask for authorization (allow once, allow always, or never), and adjust your firewall settings. If you are playing a game, no more swearing, the OS tells you whats wrong and asks if you trust the application. Good for the clueless people (or, good for those damn games that dont document their TCP/UDP ports)

I just find that the Windows Firewall gets in the way. Incredibly irritating after a while...

The OS X firewall is perfect IMHO. I've never had problems with it blocking apps I don't want it to block...

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 08:08 AM
I just find that the Windows Firewall gets in the way. Incredibly irritating after a while...

The OS X firewall is perfect IMHO. I've never had problems with it blocking apps I don't want it to block...

Probably because most apps that use non-standard ports are server apps (most likely not something you are using) or games (most likely not ported to OS X)

I find it comes in quite handy; I've had it many times where I didn't know an application goes online and reports something to the manufacturer and it pops up a note asking if i want to allow the program to do that. Thats not getting in the way, its keeping the programmers honest.

Sure, the firewall does its job, but users don't know how to tweak it, they barely know how to turn on a computer. A firewall that gives them feedback is a great help to helping someone understand the vulnerabilities of a system... i bet most people dont know how many programs report information about you back to the manufacturer....

dguisinger
Aug 7, 2006, 08:09 AM
what about when steve says they have a new case and the 17" has an optional blu-ray drive. and they all have hdmi output. x1800 256/512

he will kill us all

Man, thats not enough.... we need dual Nvidia mobile GPUs with SLI...just like Alienware has! (Each with 512MB, for a total of 1GB video ram!)

Chundles
Aug 7, 2006, 08:10 AM
Man, thats not enough.... we need dual Nvidia mobile GPUs with SLI...just like Alienware has! (Each with 512MB, for a total of 1GB video ram!)

Chuck in two hard drives as well.

2 minutes battery life is enough to get from your desk to the power point to plug in the laptop.

tny
Aug 7, 2006, 08:11 AM
Let me steer this off topic real quick. I have read before that Apple has two OS teams so "in theory" Leopard would, in fact, be Panther 2.0 and 10.7 would be Tiger 2.0. Again, in theory… Can someone clear that up?


Nope. Here's how it works, usually (not saying this is what Apple does, but nearly everyone else does this, so ...). You've got one master codebase, called the "trunk." Everyone works with that. When it's time to start working toward a release candidate, you copy off the code base and create what's called a "branch."

Changes to the trunk are rarely back-ported to the branch (it usually depends upon whether they are bug fixes or new features; bug fixes, often are back-ported if they aren't risky; new features almost never); any changes to the branch which are relevent to the trunk *are* ported to the trunk (since most of them are bug fixes, and the rest are probably new features whose loss might be noticed in the next release).

The branch keeps being used by one team that is working on, let's say, Tiger, right up through the release and during maintenance (10.4.1, 10.4.2, 10.4.3, etc. are all from the branch, not from the trunk), while another team keeps working on the trunk until the time they branch (10.5 Alpha) the next release (let's say Leopard). When the newer branch hits release, one of two things happen: either the team that did the development on the new branch continues doing maintenance (10.5.1, 10.5.2, 10.5.3), or the group that was doing maintenance on the earlier release does maintenance on the new branch and the folks who designed the new branch go back to work on the trunk until it's time to branch again (10.6, let's call it Lion). Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages.

I'm guess this it what is meant by "Apple has two teams working on OS X." Two teams, but only one code base trunk. And thus 10.4 is derived from 10.3, not 10.2.

thefunkymunky
Aug 7, 2006, 08:12 AM
Man, thats not enough.... we need dual Nvidia mobile GPUs with SLI...just like Alienware has! (Each with 512MB, for a total of 1GB video ram!)

Imagine trying to keep those puppies cool.