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GeeYouEye
Mar 16, 2003, 12:39 AM
Just wondering if anyone besides me still ran SETI@home, with all this folding stuff. I still do. Does anyone else?

And yes, I also run F@H most of the time



MrMacMan
Mar 16, 2003, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by GeeYouEye
Just wondering if anyone besides me still ran SETI@home, with all this folding stuff. I still do. Does anyone else?

And yes, I also run F@H most of the time

Not get all you machienes on folding.
Anyone who searchs for aliens need so get on folding today. :D
Really out of the millions of units they recieved they made huge PR stun saying the top 150 most promising ones would be looked at again.
Oh yeah we found that Lightyears ago Aliens were possible on some planet far far far away.

Okay how about helping people in the short term? Amasingly the bulk of team members in SETI haven't posted here or looked at SETI forum... for like months...
People are still using there computer for it... bad.

I say only people with OS 9 comps should run SETI, because anyone on OS X running SETI shouldn't. Think this lifetime, what will help you and others, sure we all look to the sky, but I want to know I made some small path to curing disease.

mc68k
Mar 16, 2003, 01:27 AM
i think he's looking for responses from ppl who run SETI. ;)

the folding vs. SETI issue has been discussed before.

springscansing
Mar 16, 2003, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
planet far far far away.

Okay how about helping people in the short term? Amasingly the bulk of team members in SETI haven't posted here or looked at SETI forum... for like months...
People are still using there computer for it... bad.

I say only people with OS 9 comps should run SETI, because anyone on OS X running SETI shouldn't.

That's right, you tell them who to help. You're such an altruist.

menoinjun
Mar 16, 2003, 07:09 AM
I still run Seti. I've been running it for longer than I've known about Folding, so Seti I'm keeping.

Falleron
Mar 16, 2003, 08:05 AM
I moved to folding when I reached about 650 units for seti. Felt like a change.

beez7777
Mar 16, 2003, 08:12 AM
i run seti, but for the past few days i've been running folding, just for a change.

MrMacMan
Mar 16, 2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by springscansing
That's right, you tell them who to help. You're such an altruist.

In no way am I selfish, look SETI and Folding both have there advantages. Do I want to help us over trying to find others... maybe a little.

SETI: You have the possibility of finding a planet that has E.T.
Folding: Every WU counts towards finding cures for disease.

Bad parts:
Seti: Well... out of millions of WU... only 150 have a slim chance or finding a planet with ET
Folding: Besides that the program is slower... After they find how to cure diseases they need to implement treatments.

buffsldr
Mar 16, 2003, 05:35 PM
E.T. phoned, he said you should fold.

Macmaniac
Mar 16, 2003, 05:55 PM
I run SETI only because my computer is too slow for folding, 700mhz G3, a Wu takes to long and the folding people wnat the data back in 2 days which I can't do.
Guess I'm still looking for ET.

MrMacMan
Mar 16, 2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Macmaniac
I run SETI only because my computer is too slow for folding, 700mhz G3, a Wu takes to long and the folding people wnat the data back in 2 days which I can't do.
Guess I'm still looking for ET.
Um... your not even in the right ball-park man.

the shortest deadline for the tinker core (the ones macs use) is 11 days. and that is for the smallest WU ever. :rolleyes:
Check, I am right. (http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html)

We don't have the gromac core... 'tinker' is us. folding might take a little longer than SETI does but it is all your choice...
;) *cough* Fold *cough* ;)

Stelliform
Mar 16, 2003, 08:42 PM
I stopped running SETI a long time ago, when I read a report that they started sending duplicate packets to keep the users busy. (Since they had too much computing power) Things might have changed now... (Which I am sure they have enough to keep all of the computers busy. :D)

rice_web
Mar 16, 2003, 08:50 PM
I did run SETI for a while, but switched to Folding immediately after learning of its existence.

SETI is sort of cool, but my seven machines go towards Folding@Home.

chmorley
Mar 16, 2003, 11:00 PM
I still run SETI@home. I've been doing it for a long time. Not sure how many machines I have running it now. We make our choices about how we expend our energy. We won't always agree. And the "I heard they were running the same data again to keep people busy" stuff sounds apocryphal. There is still so much data to be analyzed, it's hard to imagine how that could be true. Anyone have a good data source on that?

Regardless, it's certainly not true now. Here's a recent story about SETI:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/883316.asp

Chris

Stelliform
Mar 17, 2003, 11:41 AM
I didn't think it was still true.... But it was when I quit. (there was a problem with the reciever and they didn't expect to have it fixed for several months. And with the amount of participation they blazed through the data they had stocked up.)

I think that I was ready to move on too. :) I have no problem with where you expend your extra computer energy. (As long as you use it. I hate wasting computer power. :))

MrMacMan
Mar 17, 2003, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by chmorley
I still run SETI@home. I've been doing it for a long time. Not sure how many machines I have running it now. We make our choices about how we expend our energy. We won't always agree. And the "I heard they were running the same data again to keep people busy" stuff sounds apocryphal. There is still so much data to be analyzed, it's hard to imagine how that could be true. Anyone have a good data source on that?

Regardless, it's certainly not true now. Here's a recent story about SETI:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/883316.asp

Chris

I finally get SETI, out of millions of signals 150 make it to be tested. 130 will be ruled out without looking at it twice. We might get 10 out of millions that have an even smaller chance to be something.

Whatever, I'm happy with Folding. Anyway I got out after I heard besides sending duplicate packets (SETI have 4 MILLION computers running, I don't even think 100 satelites could send out that much data) there were also un-proven reports that the top teams were cheating stats by sending the units over and over and over. Is it possible that I send a unit every 5 hours with one computer running? :eek:
I don't know look at the top people... how many computers do that have???

pimentoLoaf
Mar 29, 2003, 12:05 AM
Just added my 898 wu's to the group. Mostly done on my two PC's and under os9 on my iBook:

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/fcgi?email=aardvark1917@mac.com&cmd=user_stats_new

MrMacMan
Mar 29, 2003, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by pimentoLoaf
Just added my 898 wu's to the group. Mostly done on my two PC's and under os9 on my iBook:

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/fcgi?email=aardvark1917@mac.com&cmd=user_stats_new

Very nice, if you don't mind me asking what team where you before?

wsteineker
Mar 29, 2003, 01:53 AM
I just downloaded the new SETI GUI client for OS X. I tried folding, but I never could get into a program that I had to run from the Terminal. I just prefer a GUI based client. I think I'm going to give it a go and try this out for a while.

I know folding is great and all, but isn't there something to be said for the pursuit of empirical knowledge, knowledge for knowledge's sake? I mean a lot of the folding folks are bashing SETI for not being practical and applicable in the near future, but what if they're wrong? Isn't it important to look up and see what's going on out there? I understand the importance of the work that folding is doing, believe me. I just think someone needs to keep carrying the "because it's there" banner. Just my $.02. :)

maradong
Mar 29, 2003, 02:05 AM
no for me :)
what is the point in searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, if problems on earth are not yet solved?

wsteineker
Mar 29, 2003, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by maradong
no for me :)
what is the point in searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, if problems on earth are not yet solved?

With logic like that we'd never have embarked on what is, despite some marked disasters, the most successful space program in history. I'd also like to point out that without that space program we'd never have made many of the scientific advances that are currently making life on earth a little bit better. :)

Programs like SETI are vital, as they have the enormous potential to show us that we're not alone. Isn't a discovery like that, or even the potential for it, worth looking for? I know it's a long shot, but what if there really is something out there? Isn't that just as amazing as finding a cure for a disease? I sure think so. Don't you ever look up and wonder what if? I can't imagine not doing so.

maradong
Mar 29, 2003, 03:36 AM
You re right, it would certainly be a fantastic news to hear there are other forms of life somewhere in outer space, but unfortunatly, i dont see the point in looking towards that news.
Some points, there will certainly be a panic on earth if we hear there are other life forms somewhere in the universe. Because if we can "hear" or, at least capt their electro magnetic waves, they have to be on a much higher state of living than we are. ( -> call einstein if you don t understand this part. it took me ages to do so :) )
Secondly, what is the point if we detect other life forms? They will not help us. But there is a great probabilty things like folding, or united devices' grid program is doing so.
I don t know if you understand me. I don t say all the guys running seti are stupid, but i just can t figure out the use of if.

Please excuse my bad english ;-)

pimentoLoaf
Mar 29, 2003, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
Very nice, if you don't mind me asking what team where you before?

Originally, no team; then Art Bell's for about a year, followed by a Handspring team which I founded; then founded another a couple of weeks back for Toshiba 2430 (hence the Don 2.4ghz label) laptop; disbanded that yesterday and joined MR.

Am doing a bunch of things part time. SETI (because they're re-crunching a pile of old, promising data), Folding, and a double-Mersenne prime number search (which has no team capability). Only the first two on my iBook, as the latter only runs on a PC.

wsteineker
Mar 29, 2003, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by maradong
You re right, it would certainly be a fantastic news to hear there are other forms of life somewhere in outer space, but unfortunatly, i dont see the point in looking towards that news.
Some points, there will certainly be a panic on earth if we hear there are other life forms somewhere in the universe. Because if we can "hear" or, at least capt their electro magnetic waves, they have to be on a much higher state of living than we are. ( -> call einstein if you don t understand this part. it took me ages to do so :) )
Secondly, what is the point if we detect other life forms? They will not help us. But there is a great probabilty things like folding, or united devices' grid program is doing so.
I don t know if you understand me. I don t say all the guys running seti are stupid, but i just can t figure out the use of if.

Please excuse my bad english ;-)

It's cool, man. I totally understand where you're coming from. I guess my perspective is just that we have a mandate to look for it. It's the same mandate that made us discover that earth wasn't the center of the universe and that the earth wasn't flat. It's the next step. That's why I crunch for SETI.

I totally understand why all the folding guys do it, and I'll have the server I'm currently building (god love cheap x86 hardware and linux) running a folding client. I'd like to help that cause out too. I just think that a lot of folks (not saying you) really miss the point of the whole SETI project. That's all. :)

P.S.-You're dead on about the whole Einstein point. I did pretty well in physics, and I'm well aware of what you're talking about. ;)

alset
Mar 29, 2003, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Macmaniac
I run SETI only because my computer is too slow for folding, 700mhz G3, a Wu takes to long and the folding people wnat the data back in 2 days which I can't do.
Guess I'm still looking for ET.

I fold on multiple machines, including an iBook G3 800. It gets the job done with time to spare. You may not be out of luck.

Dan

MrMacMan
Mar 29, 2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by alset
I fold on multiple machines, including an iBook G3 800. It gets the job done with time to spare. You may not be out of luck.

Dan

Because the G3 has a shorter pipeline and folding (not sure about seti tho) is not altevec techincally speaking it should run faster than a G4 at the same MHZ.

BTW, that machine would complete the WU easily with many days to spare.

law guy
Apr 12, 2003, 02:49 AM
Fantastic - new to the world of distributed computing, I've just put my 1.42 PM in the service of SETI (very interested in astronomy, so this is a really exciting way to contribute a little bit).

Basic question:
I suppose that since the processors are constantly working, the machine never goes to sleep? Or do I have to specify that the machine is never to go to sleep? Thanks!

maradong
Apr 12, 2003, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by wsteineker
It's cool, man. I totally understand where you're coming from. I guess my perspective is just that we have a mandate to look for it. It's the same mandate that made us discover that earth wasn't the center of the universe and that the earth wasn't flat. It's the next step. That's why I crunch for SETI.

I totally understand why all the folding guys do it, and I'll have the server I'm currently building (god love cheap x86 hardware and linux) running a folding client. I'd like to help that cause out too. I just think that a lot of folks (not saying you) really miss the point of the whole SETI project. That's all. :)

P.S.-You're dead on about the whole Einstein point. I did pretty well in physics, and I'm well aware of what you're talking about. ;)


:) uff, at least one seti user who understands my point of view.
Just one more, little remark, i know there are people out somewhere saying that seti is just producing heat, ( meaning the cpu power that is wasted ). I personnaly think ( of course everybody should run the distributed computing they want but ) as long as the cycles are not wasted in doing nothing everything is all right.
By the way how many work units have you got? I started folding 2 month ago, and i got 101 wu s :) before i was a hard ud ( united devices ) cruncher, but well some reasons kept me off continuing at them. So now i am at folding. :)

wsteineker
Apr 12, 2003, 03:43 AM
Maradong,
I've only got 9 WUs completed. I didn't download the OS X client until I posted in this thread, ame I only run the screen saver client at I have a weak ass 450 Cube. When the new machine gets here after WWDC, though, I can guarantee that the workload will increase!

I'm really glad that I'm not the only one who uses SETI because of that whole "empirical quest for knowledge" thing. It just seems so very important to me, and our government seems to have lost interest in even the possibility of life out there. I don't know. I guess I'm just a little too much like Mulder. I want to believe. I want to know that the earth's not flat. But you understand all of that. :)

maradong
Apr 12, 2003, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by wsteineker
Maradong,
I've only got 9 WUs completed. I didn't download the OS X client until I posted in this thread, ame I only run the screen saver client at I have a weak ass 450 Cube. When the new machine gets here after WWDC, though, I can guarantee that the workload will increase!

I'm really glad that I'm not the only one who uses SETI because of that whole "empirical quest for knowledge" thing. It just seems so very important to me, and our government seems to have lost interest in even the possibility of life out there. I don't know. I guess I'm just a little too much like Mulder. I want to believe. I want to know that the earth's not flat. But you understand all of that. :)

i understand you just as well. as i said everybody got his interests, and when he can help built those out why should he not work for them, but for an interest of anotherone. Well my interest is another than the yours, but i will not blame you therefore, and i hope you will do the same to me :)

pimentoLoaf
May 24, 2004, 05:12 PM
Now running full-time on my ol' os9 iBook @ 500mhz (which takes about fifteen hours per WU) and part-time on my osX pb17 @ 1.33ghz (taking 6 hours per WU).

I do about one Folding-thingy a month, whilst Virtual PC handles GIMPS (Grand Internet Mersenne Prime Search) factoring on weekends.

Anyone know when the BOINC system will be implemented?