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radiantm3
Aug 12, 2006, 12:16 AM
I don't draw nearly as I used to (which is a shame), but once in awhile I try to keep the pencil sharp. Here's my latest drawing:

http://image.7motion.com/drawing_progress.jpg

It's about 80% complete. I'm horrible with a tablet. They are very sensitive and my hand shakes when it doesn't have the same friction as pencil/pen on paper. Also, my palm doesn't glide across the plastic like it does on paper. Any remedy tips for that would be appreciated. :)

Anyways, I've been enjoying selling stuff on ebay and I'm creating a "thank you" card for my buyers. Right now I'm using this: http://image.7motion.com/thankyounote.jpg

Any other Illustrators want to post some work? And maybe give some tips for working with a tablet? I could easily make everything look perfect using the pen tool, but it just seems like cheating. And the drawings don't seem very natural.


Update: Here is the final artwork. :)
http://image.7motion.com/thankyou_card.jpg



iMeowbot
Aug 12, 2006, 12:20 AM
It's about 80% complete. I'm horrible with a tablet. They are very sensitive and my hand shakes when it doesn't have the same friction as pencil/pen on paper. Also, my palm doesn't glide across the plastic like it does on paper. Any remedy tips for that would be appreciated. :)
Try taping a sheet of paper atop the tablet. Wacom had adding that kind of friction in mind, that's why the nibs are replaceable.

Mammoth
Aug 12, 2006, 12:26 AM
Oooh.. that's nice. You could try putting a sheet of paper over the tablet, I'm not sure if the tablet detects the men movements through it. (You beat me to it!)
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6098/craneox6.jpg
Done with a 0.5mm mechanical pencil on a sheet of notebook paper. Won me 3rd place in the Calgary Stampede Western Showcase for my agegroup and class.

bwanac
Aug 12, 2006, 01:48 AM
That is awesome. I wish I could draw like that. Or at all. :p

radiantm3
Aug 12, 2006, 02:31 AM
Thanks for the tips. Putting paper over the tablet seems to work pretty good. I'll have to use that the next time. :D

iMeowbot
Aug 12, 2006, 02:47 AM
One bit I forgot to mention: I kind of like to see a little bit of wobble in the lines! The human touch is missing from too much electronic art.

chaosbunny
Aug 12, 2006, 04:12 AM
If anyone is bored, have a look at my homepage. (in the sig or http://www.nbfactory.cc)

And here is something I did just for fun a couple of days ago. Took me about 30-40 min.

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I like that ebay card very much btw! :)

Artful Dodger
Aug 15, 2006, 05:56 PM
One bit I forgot to mention: I kind of like to see a little bit of wobble in the lines! The human touch is missing from too much electronic art.

I agree as I'm a fine art student and I have a 9x12 tablet. I know others that will use the mouse for very "crisp" line work but I love to see things that are as if it was done all with the pen tool and not the mouse. Call me old school, but both have their place in digital artwork or for print ;)

freeny
Aug 15, 2006, 09:27 PM
I could easily make everything look perfect using the pen tool, but it just seems like cheating.
There is no such thing as cheating. Its all just "technique". Just remember, its not how you get to the finished product but that you get there and you and your client are happy with the results.

I dont work with a tablet so I have no insight on that matter:o

beatsme
Aug 15, 2006, 09:35 PM
I never really thought the Wacom lent itself to Illustrator very well. Most of the tools really require more linear movement. Photoshop, on the other hand, was made for it...

at any rate, for something like the artwork posted above, I personally would've scanned a drawing, taken it into PS, and converted paths to outlines for work in Illustrator...no way would I have bothered to trace all of that stuff

that's just me, though...

MacBoobsPro
Aug 16, 2006, 10:15 AM
Check out my site theres a few on there that I have done in Freehand (without Autotrace :rolleyes: ).

I pick out every highlight, lowlight, colour etc and layer them all up and change the colours to my liking. Infact the cars that you will see, I am able to change the colour of the cars just by dropping a new colour into the pallette as they are mainly made up of tints of one colour. :cool:

Can take days to do an illustration but the end results are great. I have loads more but they are not all on my site. Click past the logos and you will see the illustrations.

http://www.stuartluff.co.uk

Sdashiki
Aug 16, 2006, 11:08 AM
I paint alot. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180016225240) yes its an auction, but it has all my photos in it.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/336/89ix.th.gif (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=89ix.gif)http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5960/76hp.th.gif (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76hp.gif)


What tablets are people using on here, Id like to get one but dont need nothing super duper fancy, but nothing crappy either. What kind of price range should I be looking for....9x12 is large enough, maybe a size down...

beatsme
Aug 16, 2006, 11:10 AM
I paint alot. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180016225240) yes its an auction, but it has all my photos in it.




What tablets are people using on here, Id like to get one but dont need nothing super duper fancy, but nothing crappy either. What kind of price range should I be looking for....9x12 is large enough, maybe a size down...

http://www.wacom.com/index2.cfm

this should answer all your questions...

Sdashiki
Aug 16, 2006, 11:14 AM
ah but, i dont want MSRP, i want real world prices of what I should be looking for.

graphire 6x8


but do I really need the mouse?

beatsme
Aug 16, 2006, 11:40 AM
ah but, i dont want MSRP, i want real world prices of what I should be looking for.

graphire 6x8


but do I really need the mouse?

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/search/search.asp?search=wacom&NavID_Search=false&submit1.x=9&submit1.y=16&CurDSN=simple&calledfrom=1&incimage=on

http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.aspx?key=wacom&sr=1&platform=all&x=39&y=9

these should give you an idea of what you're going to have to spend. I believe most of these come with a mouse whether you want it or not.

A bit of advice:
don't use the Wacom exclusively as your input device. My personal experience is that they run reasonably well inside the applications, but in the Finder they can be a bit strange. Use the mouse when you can, and use the Wacom when you really need to.

Sdashiki
Aug 16, 2006, 11:42 AM
So i cant have the tablet and my normal Logitech optical mouse?

Id be using the tablet when I wanted but the mouse still 90% of my daily tasks, since I dont illustrate all day.

beatsme
Aug 16, 2006, 11:51 AM
So i cant have the tablet and my normal Logitech optical mouse?

Id be using the tablet when I wanted but the mouse still 90% of my daily tasks, since I dont illustrate all day.

no, you can use both provided you have enough ports. Just don't rely on the Wacom for Finder-level operations like file-searching, etc., and (I'm sure this goes without saying) don't use it for MSOffice or anything like that.

Note, I am not saying you can't use it for things other than drawing/painting apps, I'm just saying that in my personal experience the Wacom doesn't play as well with things other than drawing/painting applications...it tends to get a little "freezy" and will occasionally dump preferences. For that reason I have used them sparingly at work, and I don't have one at all at home.

Sdashiki
Aug 16, 2006, 12:03 PM
I wanna try Call of Duty 2 with a tablet!

beatsme
Aug 16, 2006, 01:26 PM
I wanna try Call of Duty 2 with a tablet!

best of luck with that one!

macdon401
Aug 16, 2006, 02:29 PM
here are a few pieces I have done, which were done with a Tablet, and which with a Mouse??? And what programs...PhotoShop or Illustrator...maybe Painter?
R

radiantm3
Aug 17, 2006, 12:49 AM
There is no such thing as cheating. Its all just "technique". Just remember, its not how you get to the finished product but that you get there and you and your client are happy with the results.

I dont work with a tablet so I have no insight on that matter:o
Cheating in the sense that using a computer to correct mistakes from the lack of natural talent. I started drawing long before I ever used a computer and a lot of the magic is lost when you use a computer to generate artwork.

radiantm3
Aug 17, 2006, 12:50 AM
I never really thought the Wacom lent itself to Illustrator very well. Most of the tools really require more linear movement. Photoshop, on the other hand, was made for it...

at any rate, for something like the artwork posted above, I personally would've scanned a drawing, taken it into PS, and converted paths to outlines for work in Illustrator...no way would I have bothered to trace all of that stuff

that's just me, though...
When I said Illustrator, I meant it in the traditional sense, not the application.

radiantm3
Aug 17, 2006, 12:51 AM
here are a few pieces I have done, which were done with a Tablet, and which with a Mouse??? And what programs...PhotoShop or Illustrator...maybe Painter?
R
Nice work. :)

ATD
Aug 17, 2006, 02:52 AM
Nice stuff guys. It's good to see painting is still around. I'm trying to find time the re-learn the artform, nothing to show yet.

I been looking at the work of Dylan Cole for a while, I have gone his lectures and have his DVDs. He is AMAZING, he start as a painter and moved on to Photoshop. He paints while he lectures and makes it look sooo easy. He was the senior matte painter on Return of the King and many other films. He brings a magic into Photoshop that's hard to believe. His DVDs are excellent too.

His website

http://www.dylancolestudio.com/

Enjoy

Kardashian
Aug 17, 2006, 03:53 AM
Update: Here is the final artwork. :)
http://image.7motion.com/thankyou_card.jpg

What font you using there, Mark?

Any chance I could have it? :)

freeny
Aug 17, 2006, 08:41 AM
Cheating in the sense that using a computer to correct mistakes from the lack of natural talent. I started drawing long before I ever used a computer and a lot of the magic is lost when you use a computer to generate artwork.
There was a time not long ago where using the computer for any illustration was considered "cheating".

I find the computer no faster or easier then drawing by hand. Its just a different medium.

If you want the piece to look like you drew it by hand then why dont you just draw it by hand???:confused:

Let the computer do what it does best, very fast difficult calculations and algorithms.

It actually takes me longer to wrestle an illustration into looking like it was hand drawn then to just draw it.

People are more impressed by an actual drawing then a computer rendering that looks like a drawing.

aricher
Aug 17, 2006, 09:00 AM
I'm not an illustrator by trade but I like to draw quite a bit. This is one from a series I'm working on based on the book Faust. Drawn on paper, manipulated in Photoshop and Painter with a Wacom Intuos 3. It looks a lot better when printed on archival Rives paper.

http://static.flickr.com/84/217664469_8053823752_o.jpg

radiantm3
Aug 17, 2006, 09:25 AM
What font you using there, Mark?

Any chance I could have it? :)

I'd say yes, but it cost me $140 for the font and I am bound to terms of use. If you really want it, you can get it here:

http://houseind.com/index.php?page=showfont&id=4

Kardashian
Aug 17, 2006, 09:27 AM
I'd say yes, but it cost me $140 for the font and I am bound to terms of use.

Thanks anyway. :(

Lau
Aug 17, 2006, 09:30 AM
Thanks anyway. :(

There's a similar(ish) one that's free called Coolvetica (http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/larabie/coolvetica/) might be useful? It's bolder, but may have other weights.

radiantm3
Aug 17, 2006, 09:35 AM
There was a time not long ago where using the computer for any illustration was considered "cheating".

I find the computer no faster or easier then drawing by hand. Its just a different medium.

If you want the piece to look like you drew it by hand then why dont you just draw it by hand???:confused:

Let the computer do what it does best, very fast difficult calculations and algorithms.

It actually takes me longer to wrestle an illustration into looking like it was hand drawn then to just draw it.

People are more impressed by an actual drawing then a computer rendering that looks like a drawing.

I'm talking about the difference between natural lines and computer generated.

Here are 2 of my older illustrations, both done in photoshop. The first one was drawn/painted completely with the pen tool while the 2nd was all drawn/painted freehand:

http://www.radiantmars.com/illustrations/kara/01.jpg

http://www.radiantmars.com/illustrations/girl/01.jpg

See the difference? In the first one makes me look like a better illustrator than the 2nd even though it was done years before the 2nd one. It "feels" like cheating because I am able to cover up all the flaws I have as an artist.

Kardashian
Aug 17, 2006, 09:36 AM
There's a similar(ish) one that's free called Coolvetica (http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/larabie/coolvetica/) might be useful? It's bolder, but may have other weights.

Thanks, Lau. :)

freeny
Aug 17, 2006, 09:40 AM
It "feels" like cheating because I am able to cover up all the flaws I have as an artist.
Flaws??
I call it the "human element".
I prefer the second one.

Like I said, stop trying to force the computer to look like its not a computer. Accept what the computer does and start exploiting it;) .

tobefirst
Aug 18, 2006, 04:55 PM
Pencil drawing...I wish I had a better scan (i.e. one that was on the original white background), but I don't. So this will have to do. It's a drawing of one of my pairs of shoes, from about 5 years ago or so. I need to make time to do more drawing.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/tobefirst/Shoeswhite.jpg

kzlambert
Aug 18, 2006, 05:38 PM
Hey Guys.. Im not an Illustrator yet, I am just starting University and am unsure what side of art I want to go continue with. Anyway here is some of my work..

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/4.jpg

This is one of my pencil pieces of my Dad's favourite cars..

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/1.jpg

A Pencil Self Portrait

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/7.jpg

Self Portrait in Oil Painting

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/8.jpg

Original photo and the rest of my foundation exhibition

I have done a range of illustrations and other work as well.. and will post them when I can re-size them :)

dvdh
Aug 18, 2006, 06:20 PM
>. . . I need to make time to do more drawing.

So do I. Hears a couple things from a few years back: First a graphite sketch for a useless machine (unfinished), and second a mixed media and cyanotype. In terms of computer work: I have left it out for the reason that the computer is really just another pencil, brush, or knife. As far as I see it, digital is one more tool to add to the kit, and will not ever replace any other method or media.

MIDI_EVIL
Aug 18, 2006, 06:36 PM
Hey Guys.. Im not an Illustrator yet, I am just starting University and am unsure what side of art I want to go continue with. Anyway here is some of my work..

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/4.jpg

This is one of my pencil pieces of my Dad's favourite cars..

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/1.jpg

A Pencil Self Portrait

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/7.jpg

Self Portrait in Oil Painting

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/8.jpg

Original photo and the rest of my foundation exhibition

I have done a range of illustrations and other work as well.. and will post them when I can re-size them :)

I appreciate both abstract interpretations and realist art.

You have a phenomenal talent, please keep at it.

Do you have a website.

Rich.

MIDI_EVIL
Aug 18, 2006, 06:39 PM
So do I. Hears a couple things from a few years back: First a graphite sketch for a useless machine (unfinished), and second a mixed media and cyanotype. In terms of computer work: I have left it out for the reason that the computer is really just another pencil, brush, or knife. As far as I see it, digital is one more tool to add to the kit, and will not ever replace any other method or media.

Again, beautiful!

Are you a Giger fan ?

It seems like it and would be a shame if you weren't.

Also, check out Chris Cunningham, a video artist.

Rich.

kzlambert
Aug 18, 2006, 06:51 PM
I appreciate both abstract interpretations and realist art.

You have a phenomenal talent, please keep at it.

Do you have a website.

Rich.

Thanks for the comment...Yes I do have a site...

www.kzhome.net

I am will be adding some more of my work soon.. especially when I begin University :)

freeny
Aug 18, 2006, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the comment...Yes I do have a site...

www.kzhome.net

I am will be adding some more of my work soon.. especially when I begin University :)
Fantastic skill. Keep working at it.
How come in your "self portrait in oil" did you spend so much time on the face and then totally cop out on the background? seems unfinished....:confused:

LimeiBook86
Aug 19, 2006, 03:40 AM
I love sketching but, I also love animation. So when animating I keep things simple but, when sketching I use a lot of detail. Although most of my time is spent on the computer I love sketching with a good old pencil and paper. :D

On my homepage I have some cartoon stuff and some work from my portfolio in class. Some of the work from the portfolio class is admittedly rushed a bit just to get the grade but, I'll add some better content to it later. On the Sonic page I have a lot of Sonic the Hedgehog related sketches and artwork. On my Deviant Art page I have some quick sketches, photos, avatars, and some other stuff. :D I have a lot of sketches I'm going to scan in so I'll update you guys if I find anything cool. :) I found an old Mac Wacom tablet that uses the old Apple serial ports but, as many of you have said it's too sensitive and not the same as paper. :rolleyes: Attached is one of my favorite Sonic sketches. :) Tell me what you guys think!

My web page:
http://www.steven-matarazzo.com/

My Sonic related sketches:
http://www.satamsonic.com/gallery/PowerBook

My DeviantArt page:
http://macintosh111one.deviantart.com/

kzlambert
Aug 19, 2006, 05:55 AM
Fantastic skill. Keep working at it.
How come in your "self portrait in oil" did you spend so much time on the face and then totally cop out on the background? seems unfinished....:confused:


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/kzlambert/Thundercats/General%20Art/7.jpg


I didn't cop out.. it was a descision I made due to the project the piece was apart of..

I did a range of paintings which were all about me.. not just portraits. I decided to simplify the background to place more emphasis on myself. Painting the background seemed pointless and would have been a waste of time. It wouldn't have been that difficult to do.

If I was trying to replicate the entire photo.. I would have done..


P.S - I love to see original art, I agree that using Photoshop and illustrator takes from a piece. I only use it for colouring rendering illustrations.. I shall post some soon