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Timepass
Aug 17, 2006, 04:07 PM
Ok I heard most arguments on this but there comes a line where fuzzy logic and complete BULL cross the line and arguments like this that just cross the line.
Some guy made a web blog saying windows is 5 times more than OSX over it life. Intersting enough until I read the argical and say how much BULL and fuzzy logic was in there (and later read some of his says he right when he been attack in comments across several sites made his case even weaker)

The artical is below
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/660E746C-F388-4AC7-98F5-6CB951501472.html

I have my limit but this type of crap does more harm that good to the apple comminty because this is the type of BULL that a lot of people see and start screaming BS on (and rightfully so) but it causes almost all agruments to go out the window. I have my limits on bull but this is so far past it I had ot vent a little.

I found the orginal link to it while looking though www.Tuaw.com (very pro apple sight and even there the webmaster is pretty tick about it.)

Before you flam me please read the artical and see why I kind of steamed about it. I like apple as much as the next guy but it things like this that make argue for apple being better that make thing harder
so please read
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/660E746C-F388-4AC7-98F5-6CB951501472.html before commenting here just so you see where I am coming from

eenu
Aug 17, 2006, 04:16 PM
sorry your post was very hard to read i don't quite get what your going on about

yg17
Aug 17, 2006, 04:23 PM
The guy has a point. Spyware and virus removal is expensive for your average computer user. They either don't know how to remove it, or don't know there are free tools out there to remove it, so they'll either pay some place like CompUSA to remove it, or spend nearly 100 bucks each year on something like Norton Antivirus instead of downloading a free one like AVG

Timepass
Aug 17, 2006, 04:27 PM
The guy has a point. Spyware and virus removal is expensive for your average computer user. They either don't know how to remove it, or don't know there are free tools out there to remove it, so they'll either pay some place like CompUSA to remove it, or spend nearly 100 bucks each year on something like Norton Antivirus instead of downloading a free one like AVG

right but read it closely. Beside who in there right mind pays 200 bucks a year to have some one remove spyware. When there are plenty free (and well known tools, one supplied by m$) his argument is because it is listed on the web people are using it and by that agurment you have to include AV for macs because people are buying it because it is out and a few other things (pulled it out of one of his defince post so it not in the artical).
most people dont pay for that stuff. AV I give you but he has it a little over priced and there are several free and quility alternative to it

plinden
Aug 17, 2006, 04:30 PM
I like apple as much as the next guy ...
You could have fooled me ... you are Timelessblur (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1398023#post1398023) returned from the dead, aren't you?

Anyway, as for the article, spending $1400 for Geek Squad maintenance is pretty dumb. But lots of people do spend $30-$100 per year on virus protection programs even though there are free alternatives. And the amount of time spent keeping a Windows machine mounts up and costs money if you're relying on your computer for work.

eenu
Aug 17, 2006, 04:31 PM
your getting yourself wound up over nothing.

And if you think about it your average PC user knows nothing and when they buy it in the shop the shop will just add the likes of norton telling the user they need it and thus they pay for it.

yg17
Aug 17, 2006, 09:06 PM
right but read it closely. Beside who in there right mind pays 200 bucks a year to have some one remove spyware.


Because people are idiots. You and I know it can be done for free, but does the average joe know that? No, his computer slows down a bit, he takes it to some crappy repair place like Worst Buy or CompUSSR, they say "It'll be $200 to fix this" and he hands over his credit card.

Applespider
Aug 18, 2006, 01:44 AM
I have my limit but this type of crap does more harm that good to the apple comminty because this is the type of BULL that a lot of people see and start screaming BS on (and rightfully so) but it causes almost all agruments to go out the window.

Agreed. I saw this a day or so ago and was astonished by how badly written it was. Unfortunately the 'reach' of some of his claims would make many disbelieve those which are actually valid.

Timepass
Aug 18, 2006, 01:58 AM
Agreed. I saw this a day or so ago and was astonished by how badly written it was. Unfortunately the 'reach' of some of his claims would make many disbelieve those which are actually valid.

I not going to try to agure which is cheaper to run over long term that not what I even frustated about. It more just the ammount of shear BULL in his fuzzy numbers that do harm to the apple comminty. Most people dont pay to have there system clean of spyware. Most people turn to a friend or family memember to ask how to do it (which turn to one of the free ways of removing it) That is where the largest bull in is thing comes from.

Another huge bull area of it is he determined 2 of the payed upgrades for OSX where not worth it so they did not count.
It just articals like those that destory the validity of any of the true ones and people just are not going to believe the truth because if they think it just be another misguild fanitic and there infomation is so slanted that it not really true.

skibob1027
Aug 18, 2006, 02:42 AM
Because people are idiots. You and I know it can be done for free, but does the average joe know that? No, his computer slows down a bit, he takes it to some crappy repair place like Worst Buy or CompUSSR, they say "It'll be $200 to fix this" and he hands over his credit card.

Completely unrelated to thread - just want to say to yg17 that St. Louis rocks (I'm on the Illinois side, but I claim StL as my home)!

Chappers
Aug 18, 2006, 03:21 AM
It would help a bit if you turned on "check spelling as you type". Under edit menu - spelling.

yg17
Aug 18, 2006, 09:34 AM
Completely unrelated to thread - just want to say to yg17 that St. Louis rocks (I'm on the Illinois side, but I claim StL as my home)!


I never realized how much St. Louis kicks ass until I went to college in Rolla. Ugh, I hate this place, and as you can see by the location in my profile, I don't consider that desolate hellhole home :D

dejo
Aug 18, 2006, 09:42 AM
It would help a bit if you turned on "check spelling as you type". Under edit menu - spelling.
This is why timepass is on my ignore list. Horrendous spelling/grammar and too lazy to proofread.

scorpion151
Aug 20, 2006, 05:37 AM
ive had my PC for 2 years... havent boughten anything but games for it... all my work programs provided free of charge by thepiratebay... and music and otehr stuff for that matter... and virus protection... infact i don't even pay for most games... i really dout you can get much cheaper then free for everything... can you?

miniConvert
Aug 20, 2006, 06:28 AM
Wait... are you illegally pirating software? If so, stop feeling so clever and start feeling stupid.

I don't think the article is too bad. It had threads of sense.

RacerX
Aug 20, 2006, 06:42 AM
i really dout you can get much cheaper then free for everything... can you?Sure.

Getting something for free and having to perform tasks is more expensive (if your time and effort are worth anything) than not having to worry about such tasks to begin with.

:cool:

IJ Reilly
Aug 20, 2006, 11:03 AM
Because people are idiots. You and I know it can be done for free, but does the average joe know that? No, his computer slows down a bit, he takes it to some crappy repair place like Worst Buy or CompUSSR, they say "It'll be $200 to fix this" and he hands over his credit card.

Not idiots so much as intimidated. Many if not most people don't feel like they understand the technology well enough to try to fix a problem, so they bring the issue to someone else, lest they make it worse. It's a mindset not exclusive to Windows users by any means, though probably more endemic among Windows users.

I've been teaching a community services course on the Mac at a local college. I spend about an hour on basic maintenance and troubleshooting; how to start up in Single User Mode, to run fsck, that sort of thing. Last time around a student asked me why anyone would want to know this stuff when they could just bring the Mac in for service. I was kind of taken aback, but it was probably a good lesson for me to hear a Mac user tell me that he/she wasn't used to being so self-sufficient. I learned that I need to sell this concept better the next time around.