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golie3030
Aug 18, 2006, 07:11 AM
Dell just announced that they're switching to AMD for their new Dimension desktops out next month. Apparently Dell didn't have enough fun with their last announcement about the batteries.

http://www.gadgetell.com/2006/08/dell-makes-the-switch-to-amdbold-move/

Queso
Aug 18, 2006, 07:15 AM
In related news (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5261780.stm). AMD chips won't save Dell, but AMD will get a bit more market share temporarily.

Dont Hurt Me
Aug 18, 2006, 07:25 AM
I dont see any reason Dell shouldnt offer the consumer choice, thats the free market. Apple hates giving the consumer choice. Like Mini vs Macpro kind of stuff. Consumer is King and Dell just sees that. Apple needs to get off its high horse and start selling to the consumer. Instead we get some marketing commitee who decides what the consumer can or cant have. I dont like commitees making my choices in technology. Consumer is King. I think Dell is giving the consumer choice. Allways a good thing.

MovieCutter
Aug 18, 2006, 07:53 AM
I dont see any reason Dell shouldnt offer the consumer choice, thats the free market. Apple hates giving the consumer choice. Like Mini vs Macpro kind of stuff. Consumer is King and Dell just sees that. Apple needs to get off its high horse and start selling to the consumer. Instead we get some marketing commitee who decides what the consumer can or cant have. I dont like commitees making my choices in technology. Consumer is King. I think Dell is giving the consumer choice. Allways a good thing.

Then buy a Dell...

FleurDuMal
Aug 18, 2006, 07:57 AM
I dont see any reason Dell shouldnt offer the consumer choice, thats the free market. Apple hates giving the consumer choice. Like Mini vs Macpro kind of stuff. Consumer is King and Dell just sees that. Apple needs to get off its high horse and start selling to the consumer. Instead we get some marketing commitee who decides what the consumer can or cant have. I dont like commitees making my choices in technology. Consumer is King. I think Dell is giving the consumer choice. Allways a good thing.

Of course, 95% of Dell's customers won't know the difference between AMD and Intel anyway. If lack of configurations means that higher spec models can be sold at a lower price, I'd rather have that (assuming that Apple has done its best to make sure its using the best processors).

Queso
Aug 18, 2006, 08:01 AM
Of more likely DHM, Dell are following their standard business model and trying to get the cheapest components they can so they can continue to undercut their competition. Nothing to do with consumer choice. Everything to do with cost.

As I posted above though, it's not going to save them. With an absolutely terrible reputation for both support and reliability, and nothing else to fall back on like HP have with their printing business, all Dell have to offer is price. Their problem is that the gap in price between them and other manufacturers with better reputations, even at the low end, is now minimal and at some price points, non-existent.

Dell are now going the same way as Gateway, even if it takes them two or three years to get there. Dell stock will continue to tank.

jholzner
Aug 18, 2006, 08:50 AM
Then buy a Dell...

You're right. He has no right to complain if he would like Apple to make some changes in their product line to better represent the consumer. This "argument" is similar to "if you don't like what America is doing, leave." You can like a company and it's products and STILL think they could do things better! Everything isn't black and white.

pianoman
Aug 18, 2006, 08:51 AM
Apple needs to get off its high horse and start selling to the consumer.

they have two consumer models. they're called the Mac mini and the iMac. they actually have a third, portable model: it's called the MacBook and is a notebook computer.

bousozoku
Aug 18, 2006, 02:15 PM
I dont see any reason Dell shouldnt offer the consumer choice, thats the free market. Apple hates giving the consumer choice. Like Mini vs Macpro kind of stuff. Consumer is King and Dell just sees that. Apple needs to get off its high horse and start selling to the consumer. Instead we get some marketing commitee who decides what the consumer can or cant have. I dont like commitees making my choices in technology. Consumer is King. I think Dell is giving the consumer choice. Allways a good thing.

Dell doesn't offer the consumer choice. They have product line committees and they say "we need machines here, here, and here." So, they take a base configuration and add and subtract features until they reach their goals.

It's like Apple, HP, Gateway, Lenovo, Sony, and any other computer maker.

Apple makes fewer choices available because, on his return, Steve Jobs said that they would be cutting the number of motherboards for simplicity and cost cutting.

Sesshi
Aug 18, 2006, 02:21 PM
It's not about consumer choice. It's Dell's way of saying "Give us more discounts or **** you" to Intel. They're barely price-competitive with other Intel-based manufacturers and Dell doesn't feel it's getting a big enough discount bearing in mind its market position.

AMD + Dell for workstations / desktops will be a fairly short-lived liaison. Both know it, and both will make the most of it.

dukebound85
Aug 18, 2006, 02:26 PM
Then buy a Dell...

Dude he's right though. If a Dell was able to run osx then yea I would most likely get one. How come you have to mock him when he suggests Apple should focus on consumer wants like Dell. Grow up man seriously

dukebound85
Aug 18, 2006, 02:27 PM
You're right. He has no right to complain if he would like Apple to make some changes in their product line to better represent the consumer. This "argument" is similar to "if you don't like what America is doing, leave." You can like a company and it's products and STILL think they could do things better! Everything isn't black and white.

Exactly what I'm thinking. Just didn't read down the thread before I posted my response

Dont Hurt Me
Aug 18, 2006, 02:28 PM
I wonder if they found out Apple is paying the same price though they sell 10 times more units? Who knows,who cares I never have bought a Dell but they did buy out my latest machine's maker. Alienware :D Anyways as a AMD user I like it.

EricNau
Aug 18, 2006, 02:36 PM
they have two consumer models. they're called the Mac mini and the iMac. they actually have a third, portable model: it's called the MacBook and is a notebook computer.
BINGO!

Really, nothing angers me more than going to dell.com and trying to configure a machine; it is way too confusing.

Apple's options are perfect.

dukebound85
Aug 18, 2006, 02:44 PM
BINGO!

Really, nothing angers me more than going to dell.com and trying to configure a machine; it is way too confusing.

Apple's options are perfect.


perfect for you?? that's very subjective

Timepass
Aug 18, 2006, 02:53 PM
BINGO!

Really, nothing angers me more than going to dell.com and trying to configure a machine; it is way too confusing.

Apple's options are perfect.


perfect my ass.

i want a computer that I can add 1-2 pci cards to, any PCI-Express graphic card to. And maybe a 2nd internal hard drive and no attach monitor. Oh and I dont want to pay over 2 grand for the opition. I think I get.....Oh wait apple doesnt offer that.

You either pay a huge preimuim to be able to upgrade or you are stuck with a very limited computer that is gimped with zero real upgradiblelity minus adding more ram.

bousozoku
Aug 18, 2006, 03:22 PM
BINGO!

Really, nothing angers me more than going to dell.com and trying to configure a machine; it is way too confusing.

Apple's options are perfect.

Perfect? No.

I think that the Apple configurator is much easier to use but it doesn't have nearly as many options. Of course, with the Mac Pro, Apple has given more options, though they're claiming a lot because they're offering so many video cards.

The laptop computer configurations go far too quickly.

After G
Aug 18, 2006, 05:02 PM
You either pay a huge preimuim to be able to upgrade or you are stuck with a very limited computer that is gimped with zero real upgradiblelity minus adding more ram.How is the current Intel Mac mini offering limited, other than graphics?

There are four USB ports and one Firewire port - you can daisy-chain up to 63 devices on one Firewire port. That's 63 upgrade parts you can potentially buy right there. Get powered hubs for USB and you can add more devices that way too.

You can change the memory to go up to 2 GB, possibly up to 4 GB if memory companies make 2 GB sticks.

You can add a 160 GB internal SATA drive, pick from hundreds of external Firewire/USB2 options, or even make your own. You could even extend the internal SATA and make it external (http://www.artmac.info/MacMiniSATAMod.html).

You could buy a DualHead2Go (http://www.matrox.com/graphics/offhome/dh2go/home.cfm) from Matrox and get dual displays (http://voice.firefallpro.com/2006/02/mac-mini-dual-monitors-using.html) even with the limited graphics.

You can even change (http://macenstein.com/default/archives/323) the internal processor to a Core 2 Duo. Nice to know that my slow, limited Mac mini could beat a Dual 2.5 GHz G5 if I upgraded it.

I can understand why people want to upgrade, but at some point it becomes costly, and buying a new computer is cheaper. If I spent all this money to fully deck out my Mini, it'd be cheaper to buy a Mac Pro or two. Apple has to do this to keep the business viable.

Dont Hurt Me
Aug 18, 2006, 05:10 PM
BINGO!

Really, nothing angers me more than going to dell.com and trying to configure a machine; it is way too confusing.

Apple's options are perfect.Your either a brownnoser or work for Apple. Their configurations suck in my view. Give the consumer a single core super fast cpu with a real video card slot and a additional slot or two for whatever. I dont need 4 cores and I dont need or even want to look at the integrated graphics crap they push.

California
Aug 20, 2006, 02:13 AM
Your either a brownnoser or work for Apple. Their configurations suck in my view. Give the consumer a single core super fast cpu with a real video card slot and a additional slot or two for whatever. I dont need 4 cores and I dont need or even want to look at the integrated graphics crap they push.


Then go to the Dell Rumors site and bitch there.

balamw
Aug 20, 2006, 02:50 AM
Give the consumer a single core super fast cpu with a real video card slot and a additional slot or two for whatever.
I'm (sort of) with you on the slots, but not the CPU.

It has conclusively been demosntrated by both AMD and Intel that multi-core is the way to go instead of "single core super fast". Particularly since most of those "super fast" processors were ultimately used to emulate dual cores with Hyperthreading. :p

B

Maxiseller
Aug 20, 2006, 03:11 AM
Your either a brownnoser or work for Apple. Their configurations suck in my view. Give the consumer a single core super fast cpu with a real video card slot and a additional slot or two for whatever. I dont need 4 cores and I dont need or even want to look at the integrated graphics crap they push.

Congratulations, I think you just found the worlds weakest argument. :rolleyes:

Maxiseller
Aug 20, 2006, 03:13 AM
How is the current Intel Mac mini offering limited, other than graphics?

There are four USB ports and one Firewire port - you can daisy-chain up to 63 devices on one Firewire port. That's 63 upgrade parts you can potentially buy right there. Get powered hubs for USB and you can add more devices that way too.

You can change the memory to go up to 2 GB, possibly up to 4 GB if memory companies make 2 GB sticks.

You can add a 160 GB internal SATA drive, pick from hundreds of external Firewire/USB2 options, or even make your own. You could even extend the internal SATA and make it external (http://www.artmac.info/MacMiniSATAMod.html).

You could buy a DualHead2Go (http://www.matrox.com/graphics/offhome/dh2go/home.cfm) from Matrox and get dual displays (http://voice.firefallpro.com/2006/02/mac-mini-dual-monitors-using.html) even with the limited graphics.

You can even change (http://macenstein.com/default/archives/323) the internal processor to a Core 2 Duo. Nice to know that my slow, limited Mac mini could beat a Dual 2.5 GHz G5 if I upgraded it.

I can understand why people want to upgrade, but at some point it becomes costly, and buying a new computer is cheaper. If I spent all this money to fully deck out my Mini, it'd be cheaper to buy a Mac Pro or two. Apple has to do this to keep the business viable.

For Sure.

Besides which, the mac mini sells well because it's so damn beautiful! I tell you; for what it is, it packs a considerable punch. Things like "adding a slot or two" turn it into a tower...*eek*

solvs
Aug 20, 2006, 10:25 PM
Then buy a Dell...
Which is exactly what people do. Which is too bad, because they should be buying Macs. I just don't get why people are so dead set against a machine that's somewhere in the middle of the mini and the Pro, minus a monitor, with the price to match. There is obviously a market, people will buy it if given the option, provided Apple doesn't cripple it and/or make it too expensive.

SC68Cal
Aug 21, 2006, 01:52 AM
It's not going to happen any time soon. They'll just kill the sales of all their other machines. I think the Mac Pro would be killed if they introduced a tower at the same price point as the iMac, because anyone with half a brain would just buy the cheaper tower and upgrade what they need instead of taking a hit for a Mac Pro.

Lollypop
Aug 21, 2006, 02:19 AM
It's not going to happen any time soon. They'll just kill the sales of all their other machines. I think the Mac Pro would be killed if they introduced a tower at the same price point as the iMac, because anyone with half a brain would just buy the cheaper tower and upgrade what they need instead of taking a hit for a Mac Pro.

I dont think so, the mac pro has a lot of features that arent really needed by the imac crowd, but overkill for the tween people, other way around as well. The mid range doesnt need 4 pci express slots, maybe 2, not 4 HDD's but 2. If the consumer needs the performance they will go for the pro, if they just want to expend their investment and maybe "trail a mac pro" they will go for the mid range.

Interesting that Dell should go AMD now that intel has retaken the performance lead again...

solvs
Aug 21, 2006, 04:04 AM
They'll just kill the sales of all their other machines.
Still be more profitable than the mini for those who want more. Pros will still buy the high end stuff like they always do. You may lose a few sales off the high end, but make more back from a larger number of sales overall and some people buying one instead of another computer. Apple should not be in competition with itself, it's in competition with Dell, Gateway, Lenova, etc.