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MacRumors
Aug 22, 2006, 02:01 PM
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Synaptics has announced a concept (http://www.synaptics.com/onyx/) phone based on new "ClearPad" technology.

ClearPad is a thin, high resolution capactitive touch screen that can be placed over any viewable surface. This allows for sensitive touch input over existing screen technology.

ClearPad is based on Synaptics' proprietary sensing technology, and will offer unique capabilities such as two finger input, proximity sensing, text entry and high resolution finger input that can dramatically improve and enhance the user experience with a touch screen.

The technology is expected to be available for manufacturers by the end of the year.

This is interesting to Apple users due to the number of rumors and patents surrounding a full-screen touch-control video iPod. Specifically, there has been discussion about Multi-touch sensitive displays (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060214231850.shtml), use of Gestures (http://guides.macrumors.com/Gallery_of_Gesture_User_Interface_Patent), touch interface patents (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060310015335.shtml), and the touch screen video iPod (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060209095419.shtml) rumors. These rumors have spawned many concept designs (http://guides.macrumors.com/Gallery_of_Video_iPod_Mockups) depicting the unreleased iPod. Apple has an existing relationship with Synaptics who provided click wheels (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/12/20051205172500.shtml) for Apple's iPods.

steve_hill4
Aug 22, 2006, 02:02 PM
Ooh, I hear yet more footsteps as the iPod and iPhone marches closer to us. :)

steve_hill4
Aug 22, 2006, 02:04 PM
Finally, some real news. Anyone else notice that the rumor sites have been dry lately?
I have a feeling the will get a lot juicier soon. We're hopefully in for a few months of big Apple announcements and upgrades.

freeny
Aug 22, 2006, 02:06 PM
Not a bad looking phone, looks big:confused:

getBytesLoaded
Aug 22, 2006, 02:08 PM
I have a feeling the will get a lot juicier soon. We're hopefully in for a few months of big Apple announcements and upgrades.

Let's hope so -- I've been resisting the temptation to buy a new cell contract all year.

storage
Aug 22, 2006, 02:09 PM
I can't stand this anymore :(. I'm in the market for a new computer (be it a notebook or a desktop), a new mediaplayer and a new cellphone.

Can't wait!

dizastor
Aug 22, 2006, 02:13 PM
ClearPad Technology sounds like either an acne or feminine hygiene product.

That being said. The onyx concept phone looks too big for normal use, unless that use is to club someone over the head.

zap2
Aug 22, 2006, 02:14 PM
This is gold, by the end of this year Apple could have it... MWSF '07.. Touch Screen iPods, iPhone ,iTMS with feature films, with some fance new intel chip...

And before that Merom MacBook and MacBook Pro, Conroe iMac and a new iPod nano....


Happy times


Also my phone plan is...i'm waiting for an iPhone, because after playing with the razr and Chocolate at the verizon store... they UI sucks. I was very disappointer with possible phones updates, when Apple makes a Phone, i'll swicth over to who ever the give the phone to.

Tommyg117
Aug 22, 2006, 02:14 PM
i think that's a pretty sleek looking phone! I'd get one if it were verizon

narco
Aug 22, 2006, 02:20 PM
Doubtful that an iPhone will go with Sprint, but at least I can hope for higher capacity iPods to fit all those videos -- right? RIGHT?

Fishes,
narco.

nsjoker
Aug 22, 2006, 02:24 PM
isn't this just touch screen technology that we've had for years.. but only on the outside now?? seems like a breakthrough, but not really. :rolleyes:

Catt
Aug 22, 2006, 02:26 PM
I have something very similar on my 3 year laptop - called a Synaptics cPad.

Its basically a touchpad over an LCD screen, you can programme it to launch new applications, write notes on it, use at as a touch sensitive calculater etc:

http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/download_whitepaper.jsp?service=UK&WHITEPAPER_ID=0000000e89cPAD_123

http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/download_whitepaper.jsp?service=UK&WHITEPAPER_ID=0000000e75cPAD_123

Picture:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2003/07/23/directx_9_to_go/page7.html

This new piece of kit is obviously more advanced, second or third generation. But I find the cPad on my laptop really very useful.

For a laptop this kind of technology is very useful, having a programmable LCD screen for mouse movement but that can also run programmes. In a phone I am more sceptical because I personally need tactile feedback when using buttons.

Stridder44
Aug 22, 2006, 02:29 PM
*sniff*....that smell.....is that the smell of....progress?

lazyrighteye
Aug 22, 2006, 02:34 PM
Finally, some real news. Anyone else notice that the rumor sites have been dry lately?

Yep. And (as stated yesterday) this all feels like the calm before the storm (to me).
With the influx of new cell phones and mp3 players flooding the market (most claiming to be legit iPod killers), I can't help but think Apple's about ready to drop the BOMB on us all - making the before mentioned offerings already seem dated.

lazyrighteye
Aug 22, 2006, 02:34 PM
Let's hope so -- I've been resisting the temptation to buy a new cell contract all year.

Out of curiosity, exactly who & what is tempting you??

getBytesLoaded
Aug 22, 2006, 02:41 PM
Out of curiosity, exactly who & what is tempting you??

The added tax of paying for my plan without a contract, and my crappy phone.

fenixx
Aug 22, 2006, 02:42 PM
I can taste it...
This was awesome news.

Core Trio
Aug 22, 2006, 02:55 PM
its really great how all those touch screen ipod rumors that hardly anyone thought was true at first continues to make more and more sense with each news bit of new technology that will make it happen. I hope this comes out soon, my 4G monochrome ipod is dying a slow, but painful, death.

lazyrighteye
Aug 22, 2006, 03:05 PM
The added tax of paying for my plan without a contract, and my crappy phone.

Hehe, I see.
Sux...

Irisharehere
Aug 22, 2006, 03:10 PM
PUSH!!! Come on, deep breath, PUUUUSH!!!!!!

:p

andrew050703
Aug 22, 2006, 03:11 PM
So touchscreen technology we've seen for years? i hope it smudges/scratches less than my xda, but i'll definately get an iphone if it comes to UK contract services. whatever they churn out, it'll kill the zune hands down :D

brepublican
Aug 22, 2006, 03:21 PM
The idea is good, but to do it justice, you need Apple to step in. Their concept phone leaves much to be desired. Still, its a great concept, and Apple, here's you cue

@win
Aug 22, 2006, 03:28 PM
Strange; this revelation. If Apple is doing business on this with Synaptics I'm surprised that the latter are showing a concept phone with touchscreen and music player functionality. Apple would like to surprise people by introducing something with these features with a bang. So Apple wouldn't like this. Or maybe it's got something to do with negotiations going on in the background and Synaptics wants to tease, please or punish Apple for not using their technology? There was a rumor before that this kind of iPod would be almost ready but that Apple wasn't satisfied with the quality of the touch screen and therefore had to look for another technology or manufacturer. And how can this screen use two finger input and proximity sensing in an interface if Apple has got this patented? Questions, questions!

morespce54
Aug 22, 2006, 03:32 PM
So that could mean no 6G until 2007 ??? :(

notjustjay
Aug 22, 2006, 03:43 PM
Looks like something off of Star Trek: The Next Generation!

PADDs, here we come! :D

Fearless Leader
Aug 22, 2006, 03:55 PM
troll touch and 3m have been doing stuff like this for a long time. noithing new.

aafuss1
Aug 22, 2006, 04:04 PM
Also sounds like it's suitable for new MacBooks (Pro and consumer MacBook)

freeny
Aug 22, 2006, 04:09 PM
This would mean no iPod touch screen this year?

Kingsly
Aug 22, 2006, 04:33 PM
How about a commercial model that fits over my MBP screen and connects via a USB dongle? That would make Google earth fun!

vanzskater272
Aug 22, 2006, 04:46 PM
I am sick of wating for a new ipod. If apple uses this wont it mean that they will not have the toutch screen ipod out until sometime around the end of the year?:mad:

Analog Kid
Aug 22, 2006, 04:51 PM
Strange; this revelation. If Apple is doing business on this with Synaptics I'm surprised that the latter are showing a concept phone with touchscreen and music player functionality. Apple would like to surprise people by introducing something with these features with a bang. So Apple wouldn't like this. Or maybe it's got something to do with negotiations going on in the background and Synaptics wants to tease, please or punish Apple for not using their technology? There was a rumor before that this kind of iPod would be almost ready but that Apple wasn't satisfied with the quality of the touch screen and therefore had to look for another technology or manufacturer. And how can this screen use two finger input and proximity sensing in an interface if Apple has got this patented? Questions, questions!
Surely Apple wouldn't have an exclusive deal with Synaptics-- Synaptics has the right to advertise their technology to bring in other partners. Just like we know what Apple's next processors will be before the product ships.

The magic is in what Apple puts behind that little touchpad. The interface Synaptics is showing is pretty useless...

twoodcc
Aug 22, 2006, 05:10 PM
I am sick of wating for a new ipod. If apple uses this wont it mean that they will not have the toutch screen ipod out until sometime around the end of the year?:mad:

yeah i agree, Apple has got to get a new ipod out before the holiday season

mdntcallr
Aug 22, 2006, 05:17 PM
hmm, am i the only one thinking September is going to be very interesting for new products at apple?

Dr.Gargoyle
Aug 22, 2006, 05:30 PM
Strange; this revelation. If Apple is doing business on this with Synaptics I'm surprised that the latter are showing a concept phone with touchscreen and music player functionality. Apple would like to surprise people by introducing something with these features with a bang.
Isn't it a no-brainer that Apple will introduce some kind of iPhone?
The big questions when... IMHO Apple needs to get the ass of the wagon if they want to keep their market share.

Dr.Gargoyle
Aug 22, 2006, 05:32 PM
yeah i agree, Apple has got to get a new ipod out before the holiday season
Apple needs to get an iPhone out before the holiday season or they will begin to lose market shares.

miketcool
Aug 22, 2006, 06:16 PM
Again:

Clear touch technology + application changing interface = a new trick for an old dog.

Cell phone, iPod, Smart Phones; all with the ability to adapt to you, not you adapt to it.

MrCrowbar
Aug 22, 2006, 07:49 PM
I want a big one of those, a white desk and a beamer. This way I could put this touchy stuff on the desk, beam the screen on the desk from above. Give With the virtual keyboard (OSX's "show Keyboard Viewer") on, you don't even need a keyboard anymore (unless you type a lot...). Now that qould be an awesome workstation ;)

savar
Aug 22, 2006, 08:30 PM
ClearPad is a thin, high resolution capactitive touch screen that can be placed over any viewable surface. This allows for sensitive touch input over existing screen technology.

Will this finally make the ipod screen scratch-proof?

Dr.Gargoyle
Aug 22, 2006, 08:35 PM
Will this finally make the ipod screen scratch-proof?
Then you just have to make sure the back won get any scratches... :rolleyes:
It is a pity that Apple didnt pick a harder material for the iPod.

KEL9000
Aug 22, 2006, 08:58 PM
jenny is cute. does anyone know what font the phone is displaying?

ezekielrage_99
Aug 22, 2006, 09:06 PM
Sounds like we are going to get that in the new iPods sometime :cool:

ezekielrage_99
Aug 22, 2006, 09:10 PM
"Clearpad" also sounds very similar to the "Non Touch" thing Apple patiented several weeks ago, either way promising technology if the price is right :cool:

JackSYi
Aug 22, 2006, 09:33 PM
What about a Nintendo DS-esque Mini MacBook?

puuukeey
Aug 22, 2006, 09:53 PM
I tried out jeff han's FTIR experiment today. works like a charm. I think I'm going to use it as a midi controller for my protools rig.

lucite+IEDs+Infrared camera+projector + THE BEST INGREDIENT: MAX/MSP!!!!!!!!

DaftUnion
Aug 23, 2006, 01:30 AM
I really hope this stuff is in the next iPod generation.

ImNoSuperMan
Aug 23, 2006, 01:50 AM
Yaaaaaaaawn......

I m really getting bored of all these rumors bout iPhone, new iPod, merom MBP/MB etc. I dont know how you guys get all excited with any hint of a rumor. I dont really care for these rumors no more. No one knows what Apple has in store for us and we wont find bout it before it is launched. No one knew bout the MacBook release date even a second before it was actually released. So there is no point in getting all pumped up every time there is a news/rumor related to an Apple product.

All I do is wish for the new iPhone to arrive asap.

Kingsly
Aug 23, 2006, 02:23 AM
I tried out jeff han's FTIR experiment today. works like a charm. I think I'm going to use it as a midi controller for my protools rig.

lucite+IEDs+Infrared camera+projector + THE BEST INGREDIENT: MAX/MSP!!!!!!!!
Care to explain, or do I have to wait till the next issue of MAKE to show up on my doorstep?

How many LED's did you use? Do you have any software yet?

evilgEEk
Aug 23, 2006, 03:21 AM
Yaaaaaaaawn......

I m really getting bored of all these rumors bout iPhone, new iPod, merom MBP/MB etc. I dont know how you guys get all excited with any hint of a rumor. I dont really care for these rumors no more. No one knows what Apple has in store for us and we wont find bout it before it is launched. No one knew bout the MacBook release date even a second before it was actually released. So there is no point in getting all pumped up every time there is a news/rumor related to an Apple product.

All I do is wish for the new iPhone to arrive asap.
You do realize this site is called "MacRumors, right? ;) That's kinda the whole point of the website, to, you know, report "rumors".

Leondunkleyc
Aug 23, 2006, 08:42 AM
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CellarDoor
Aug 23, 2006, 11:43 AM
no comments since 9 this morning!? is my browser broken, or has this been the slowest rumor 5 days in recent history?

Kingsly
Aug 23, 2006, 12:28 PM
Just wondering, but how did you get a home-made touch interface to work with Mac OS X (or whatever OS you were using)?
I have a feeling he just built the screen, which is dead simple to do. The question is in the software, and getting it to control a mouse (or multiple mice!).

no comments since 9 this morning!? is my browser broken, or has this been the slowest rumor 5 days in recent history?
Nah, its happening to me too. My theory is that the KCB (http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/853.html) is still up and running.

jagolden
Aug 23, 2006, 02:21 PM
"Hi! Peabody here with my pet boy, Sherman."
Today we'll set the way-back machine for the year 1968."

Looks like something from 2001: aSpace Odysey.

Looks plastic-y.
Looks cheap.
Looks ugly as sin!

From all the newew tech designs coming out, you'd think the "new black" is "ugly".

ImNoSuperMan
Aug 23, 2006, 02:58 PM
You do realize this site is called "MacRumors, right? ;) That's kinda the whole point of the website, to, you know, report "rumors".

Yes I do. But did I ever hint I didnt? I didnt make a fuss bout MR reporting any rumor. What I was wondering bout was how can people be excited again n again for so long. That too at smallest of hints. That too when almost all the rumors turn out to be untrue. Most of the predictions(xcept the obvious ones) go wrong. Have a look at this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060811110535.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060729213347.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060718164759.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060718024128.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060704122932.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060203203837.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060210231632.shtml), this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060223132904.shtml) or THIS (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/01/20050127130504.shtml). The list is endless.

I like this site coz of it`s excellent forum section. Not for the baseless rumors section. the posters in these forums are great. No matter how complicated your Mac query is, it`ll be answered within minutes.

Daveway
Aug 23, 2006, 03:08 PM
So would it be a good time to buy Synaptics stock?:)

puuukeey
Aug 23, 2006, 07:40 PM
I don't interface it with the OS, although thats not tough with apple script.

I'm just duplicating the functionality of a fingerworks pad so far. the bandpass filter is coming soon so I can shine light at it.

as for software. max msp is all you need. as for os, Macs are not multimouse-able. I just wrote a protools controller in max.


aside from that, I've been working on a way to traverse the hard drive which utilizes a 3d interface (actually functional, not just showy jurrasic park style)

so they might go together.

pleanty of info on the web. jeff han's paper is 10 bucks