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Link: New features in OS X 10.5 Leopard you may not have heard about (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20060822225744)
Description:: Some new features of Leopard that haven't been reported much on the web yet.

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dsharits
Aug 22, 2006, 10:08 PM
Pretty much simple little things that could turn out to make things more convenient. Apple's done a great job with the miniscule improvements that could change the way you use your computer, I'd expect most of these to be very handy.

truz
Aug 22, 2006, 10:12 PM
I can't wait for the release. I think time machine is a great idea. It's such a pain in the ass when you edit your clients websites or start working on new projects and require a backup of whatever your working on.

this time machine is going to make backups great!

If only something like this was setup for web hosting...

Stella
Aug 22, 2006, 10:17 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple have disabled some of the 'secret' features for these developers builds... and enable them until nearer release time.

Apple know damn well that information will get out...

Superdrive
Aug 22, 2006, 10:21 PM
The new pictures screensaver looks like it could be one of those little things that your Windows friends see and say "How can I get my computer to do that?". I am a big fan of eye candy and interface improvments.

impierced
Aug 22, 2006, 10:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple have disabled some of the 'secret' features for these developers builds... and enable them until nearer release time.

I'm very doubtful of that - too easy to find them even if they are disabled.

There will be many new features included with Leapord, but they are not in the developer builds.

*cough*new finder*cough*

RichP
Aug 22, 2006, 10:42 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple have disabled some of the 'secret' features for these developers builds... and enable them until nearer release time.

Apple know damn well that information will get out...

I tend to agree, perhaps we may see some new features in January at Macworld.

We havent seen:

-A finder update

-Bootcamp? This thing isnt going to be beta forever. I want to see fastOS switching.

Lixivial
Aug 22, 2006, 11:20 PM
Initially I thought there might be a brand new finder, but why would they update this one if they were going to revamp in [sic] completely?

Because revamped Finder preferences and a brand new Finder are not mutually exclusive? And because a new Finder has little to do with a developer preview? This preview is only there to highlight some of the core technologies that will be present to devs in Leopard. This is part of the problem with it being leaked to torrents; now everyone and their grandmother is looking for features and, with a lacking thereof, posting their "findings" to their websites. I'm liking the screenshots that this site gave out, though.

Bootcamp? This thing isnt going to be beta forever. I want to see fastOS switching.

I know this isn't the thread for this, but it came up so I just wanted to acknowledge it.

I can't see "Fast OS switching" as a feasibility at this point. Phil Schiller, while no doubt using PR fluff, stated that Apple's committed solution is "dual boot." Now it's certainly possible that they could revamp the experience to retain your session ala hibernation for when you come back to Mac OS X, but I don't see them going out of their way to make Windows a pleasant experience.

It only benefits Apple to make Windows look as though it's "bolted on," and leave the real work -- for PR reasons and developer mindshare reasons -- to third parties such as Parallels and VMWare. For proof on this, look at the heightened use of platform evangelism at this year's WWDC and the Mac vs. PC ads.

Just imagine the reaction at WWDC, with the audience being Macintosh devs, Steve would have received if he said "Red Box? It's true! Yellow Box is still dead, however... So Windows apps will run on OS X, but not vice versa." That's not to say they're not working it as a contingency plan, though. It's not unreasonable to believe that Red Box (or even some sort of virtualization aka "Fast OS Switching") exists, while Yellow Box is still being maintained somewhere in Cupertino. That doesn't necessarily translate to the technologies being released, though.

gerardrj
Aug 22, 2006, 11:29 PM
Some of the stuff I really like that I don't see at this site:

1. The new Safari search within a page feature. It completely eliminates the "it found something but I can't tell what's highlighted" syndrome. Instead of simply highlighting the target text, it also dims all the non-matched text in the window. The currently found text is also "zoomed" in an orange rectangle. Completely cool.

2. The new help function opens menus and puts a big purple arrow next to them so even a nearly blind person can see where the option is located.

3. Spaces isn't just a 2x2 grid, it can by any size up to 4x4. And its completely multiple monitor aware.

bousozoku
Aug 23, 2006, 12:31 AM
I'm glad to see that the open/save dialogs are finally being enhanced. If they provide a way to rename and/or delete items, it'll be appreciated.

The eject all button is nice for those enhanced CDs though I've finally gotten to the point where I use the eject key.

I can't wait for the release. I think time machine is a great idea. It's such a pain in the ass when you edit your clients websites or start working on new projects and require a backup of whatever your working on.

this time machine is going to make backups great!

If only something like this was setup for web hosting...

You are creating your websites on your machine and uploading them, aren't you?

Oryan
Aug 23, 2006, 12:35 AM
3. Spaces isn't just a 2x2 grid, it can by any size up to 4x4. And its completely multiple monitor aware.
This is by far my most favorite new feature. Although I see myself using Time Machine a lot too.

sunfast
Aug 23, 2006, 03:28 AM
Whilst none of those features are startling, I do like to see lots of minor improvements too - gives a sense of ongoing refinement to an already decent product.

One question - is that "Battery Health: Poor" thing a new feature? A good one if so, but then is it there to persuade people to click the "Get new battery option"?

I'm sure I'll buy Leopard so I hope it continues to show new stuff :)

ipearx
Aug 23, 2006, 03:33 AM
One question - is that "Battery Health: Poor" thing a new feature? A good one if so, but then is it there to persuade people to click the "Get new battery option"?

Yes it is new - currently I use http://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/

whooleytoo
Aug 23, 2006, 05:43 AM
The eject all button is nice for those enhanced CDs though I've finally gotten to the point where I use the eject key.


It's a very useful one, but what I was really hoping would be addressed are those incredibly annoying "The volume cannot be ejected because it is in use" alerts, which offer no help in discovering what's keeping the volume busy.

2 features I really wanted to see were a (GUI) utility to determine what processes are keeping what files in use (useful in the above case) and what files each process is using; and a utility somewhat like Little Snitch so the user can monitor, log and search all network connections.

sunfast
Aug 23, 2006, 06:24 AM
It'd be cool if all of the little things you need 3rd party tweaks to do were incorporated in Leopard. I know they won't be but I'd like that.

Stuff like clear dock, onyx etc

bousozoku
Aug 23, 2006, 06:26 AM
It's a very useful one, but what I was really hoping would be addressed are those incredibly annoying "The volume cannot be ejected because it is in use" alerts, which offer no help in discovering what's keeping the volume busy.

2 features I really wanted to see were a (GUI) utility to determine what processes are keeping what files in use (useful in the above case) and what files each process is using; and a utility somewhat like Little Snitch so the user can monitor, log and search all network connections.

You can already monitor what files a process is using from Activity Monitor. Select a process and click inspect. Then, click the Open files and Ports tab.

Lollypop
Aug 23, 2006, 06:54 AM
Glad they have been working on the save dialog box, its a bit underpowered at this point :eek:

j33pd0g
Aug 23, 2006, 09:18 AM
Still no global options for "list view/columns/icons" in the Finder prefs? That would rock. I would love to always see everything in list view.

Monk Edsel
Aug 23, 2006, 09:33 AM
Sorting in the Finder!! FINALLY!! :D

Leondunkleyc
Aug 23, 2006, 09:47 AM
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Caitlyn
Aug 23, 2006, 09:59 AM
All these features look really simple, but I like 'em. They will be helpful in the long run. :)

bousozoku
Aug 23, 2006, 10:05 AM
Glad they have been working on the save dialog box, its a bit underpowered at this point :eek:

When were the enhanced navigation services added, Mac OS 8.5? Windows 95 still has more powerful open/save dialog boxes than Tiger.

It's as if they're finally to the point where they can sharpen the blade of the sword.

Soon, we'll be able to sort Finder windows from a contextual menu item, just like Mac OS 9.

Leondunkleyc
Aug 23, 2006, 10:11 AM
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mjstew33
Aug 23, 2006, 11:07 AM
I just tried that out and it looks quite good, i'm not so sure about the "age of your mac" thing though, I worked out that if it's correct, I should have bought this laptop when Jesus was 7 years old :D. I didn't even know they had G4's then!
:eek:

Mine works fine... :o

Leondunkleyc
Aug 23, 2006, 11:27 AM
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CANEHDN
Aug 23, 2006, 11:27 AM
The title of that "article" is cool. My favorite part.

nate13
Aug 23, 2006, 11:59 AM
about fast OS switching... funny that you say that, http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/motion-controlled-os-switching#more-3709 shows someone with a hack to do just that... i wish i had a mb!:p

Leondunkleyc
Aug 23, 2006, 12:07 PM
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mkrishnan
Aug 23, 2006, 12:26 PM
Still no global options for "list view/columns/icons" in the Finder prefs? That would rock. I would love to always see everything in list view.

You mean you want it to go beyond the option at the top of view options to apply a format to all windows and actually make it so that even disk images and so on that have their own view options have those suppressed in favor of yours? I'm not quite sure I get it....

I think it would be great if, in addition to "this window" and "all windows," you could apply a view option to a folder and all it's sub-folders as a third option. Practically speaking, this is the one I want the most often. Like Pictures and any folders inside pictures have large icons with previews; documents and any folders inside documents have list view, etc.

Anyway, though, my formula is:

Core 2 Duo + Leopard + Vista in a Macbook = Me upgrading my iBook. :D

nagromme
Aug 23, 2006, 02:03 PM
Sortable column views AND spring-loaded dock folders!

Better handling of file extensions is also very welcome: no more auto-selection of the extension when you rename, and no more complaining when you change an extension (if you choose to disable the warning).

My file-management just got 10 x easier. The little things mean a lot!

I'd rather have my favorite OS polished up in ways like these than have some totally new revolution right away. Hone what already works and is great--that's fine by me.

Except do give the Finder some major internal work :) On the surface it's great, but flawed underneath. (I'm sure it will get the new smooth metal look anyway--which is probably designed to work better with the res-independent UI.)

shamino
Aug 23, 2006, 02:07 PM
It's a very useful one, but what I was really hoping would be addressed are those incredibly annoying "The volume cannot be ejected because it is in use" alerts, which offer no help in discovering what's keeping the volume busy.
Absolutely yes. I want that dialog to have a button you can click on to show you the list of processes (and the user accounts they're running as) that have open files on the volume.

That dialog should also have "quit" and/or "force quit" buttons next to any process your account has permission to terminate, so you can terminate the offending apps and retry from within that same context.

frogbat
Aug 24, 2006, 04:25 AM
my no1 most requested feature was the sort by feature for columns

i'd like it to be a bit more intuitive with the filter tabs at the top of each view and not just list view

i'd also like to have the option of grouping folders and files separately like in windows (yeah i know view by type gives this functionality but I prefer the windows system of folders listed alphabetically followed by files listed the same way)

the file dialogues are in desperate need of an overhaul and am glad they're working on it. I think apple is moving away from its make it simple and safe equates to ease of use attitude. The multi buttoned mighty mouse being an important example. Maybe they could put an advanced mode option which will let users carry out rename and delete functions.

They should also make it easier to navigate these dialogues via the keyboard. It takes about 3 presses of the tab key to get to the file area of the requester. And the highlight colour isn't very strong either.

Also - is it necessary that all ext storage devices be ejected first? Most annoying whenever i remove my usb disk to get that error message...

Has any1 checked out the slideshow feature in finder to see if it still has problems with folders containing large numbers of images?

Also - (as with the full screen slideshow in preview) this feature is great but it needs to be improved to make it really useful - variable zooming, a movable icon palette and i don't think it should break from the OS so much as not to be able to switch to other apps and go back to it.

Also better sorting - i'd like images to be displayed by name or date or other metadata and not the seemingly random nature that sometimes affects it

p0intblank
Aug 24, 2006, 12:21 PM
A lot of those features look so awesome. I love the little updates we find here and there. The new screensavers look pretty sweet.

wrldwzrd89
Aug 25, 2006, 11:00 AM
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Also - is it necessary that all ext storage devices be ejected first? Most annoying whenever i remove my usb disk to get that error message...
<snip>

Yes. The reason for it is avoiding damage to the disk by suddenly removing it when data is being actively read from or written to it, which isn't always obvious on USB drives. It also makes sure that, even if it isn't being used, that the directory doesn't become corrupt because some application has files open on the disk. The Mac OS can close them (or prompt you to, if they're yours).

shamino
Aug 25, 2006, 11:11 AM
Yes. The reason for it is avoiding damage to the disk by suddenly removing it when data is being actively read from or written to it, which isn't always obvious on USB drives. It also makes sure that, even if it isn't being used, that the directory doesn't become corrupt because some application has files open on the disk. The Mac OS can close them (or prompt you to, if they're yours).
Nevertheless, there is an option.

On Windows, you can configure removable media devices to not do any write-caching. (I think this is the default for flash drives). This allows you to remove the device without any explicit flush/unmount/eject action first (as long as an application isn't explicitly writing to the device at the time, of course.)

It would be nice if you could do this on Mac OS as well. Perhaps as a "get info" option for a device (with the default being no-caching for everything that's not a hard drive.)

Of course, in order to not really confuse users, there would have to be some visual indication on the drive icon to indicate if it's safe to remove or not. Otherwise, people will forget how they've configured a device, leading to premature removal and corrupt media.

This is a hard problem to get right. The Windows approach is more convenient (since you don't have to eject flash cards), but it can lead to corrupt volumes if a person yanks the media at the wrong time. (Not all flash drives have in-use lights.) The Mac OS approach can never result in corrupted media, but it can be inconvenient to have to do an explicit eject.

Of course, with the invention of Exposť, the Mac OS approach became much less inconvenient. I can simply press the "show desktop" key, then click the drive icon and eject it. Then press the "show desktop" key again and all my windows are back where I left them.

frogbat
Aug 25, 2006, 02:58 PM
thnx for the info - guess i'm used to flash pens and other devices having indicator lights. I recall back when I used amigas, i'd keep an eye on the disk drive and hdd lights to make sure i didn't eject or switch off at the inappropriate moment.

Oh while I'm at it here's another windows inspired feature i'd like to see implemented.

Basically when I have lots of apps open at the same time, i might miss the window i wanted to click on and it would switch to the underlying app or the desktop. I'd like there to be a lock system to prevent that where the top most app is the only one which can be clicked upon. It could sit at the top whilst all other apps underneath are darkened. Again it not need be on by default but something that can be enabled from prefs. I'm sure spaces will help in this area but you still run the risk of hitting the desktop.



I'd also like there to be an option on the dock which would launch apps only on a double click. I often accidentally hit the wrong icon out of habit or cos it shifted etc. (if there's any utility that comes close to doin this pls let me know!)

Mainyehc
Aug 26, 2006, 10:22 AM
Oh while I'm at it here's another windows inspired feature i'd like to see implemented.

Basically when I have lots of apps open at the same time, i might miss the window i wanted to click on and it would switch to the underlying app or the desktop. I'd like there to be a lock system to prevent that where the top most app is the only one which can be clicked upon. It could sit at the top whilst all other apps underneath are darkened. Again it not need be on by default but something that can be enabled from prefs. I'm sure spaces will help in this area but you still run the risk of hitting the desktop.

That has a name, and is called "Maximizing" ;) . I understand your pain, as I'm a switcher myself... I've been using OS X since Dec.'03, and even today, there are a number of times when I want to maximize an app and I just can't do it. I'm figuring the fact I miss that Windows feature is Apple's fault, and not mine, since I'm already preety much used to OS X's natural workflow (in fact, it took me 15 min. to find my way around Jaguar :p ).

I'm not saying that Apple should ditch the multi-window approach, as that alone is what makes the Mac OS so much more elegant than Windows. Under Windows, the distinction between apps, files, and "tasks" is severely blurred, which makes multitasking a garbled mess. But one thing I'm sure of: zooming kinda sucks, and is, in my view, counter-intuitive. Btw, to all the die-hard, long-time Apple fans: I've been using PCs since '92, from Windows 3.1 to XP, and back in those days I also played a lot with a friend's Mac Color Classic, running System 6/7, and with a 286 that there was in my school running GEM (don't recall if it was a version prior to the Apple lawsuit), so I know a thing or two about GUIs, firsthand ;) . That being said, IMHO, the best Apple could do would be *adding* a Maximize option, as an alternative to zooming, either by adding a fourth button on the titlebar, or by allowing people to alternatively choose the behaviour of the "+" button on System Preferences.

Yes, I'm aware that would either make Macs less functionally coherent across the board (the beauty of OS X's simplicity by non-configurability is that all Macs are somewhat predictable) or screw the "traffic lights" metaphor, but seriously, the first scenario is too crippling and the latter UI metaphor is too gimmicky to begin with, and I think Apple should ditch the colours already and turn those buttons Aqua blue (like on their graphite version, only with the "x - +" labels). I'm also aware that on Mac OS X 10.0 (and maybe 10.1, I have no idea), there was a purple button which triggered "single window mode", something that consisted of a very weird behaviour and which they ditched. But that was before Exposé was invented, and before the Mighty Mouse was invented, and before the Intel switch, etc.

More often than not, I find myself working with pro DTP and vector-drawing apps, and it seriously bothers me when I hit the desktop by accident, thus hiding all the toolbars and pallettes. Face it, graphics designers want to take up as much screen real-estate as they can, so why shouldn't I be able to maximize *all* my FreeHand and Quark (or Illustrator and InDesign) documents? I'm already working on them zoomed (and sometimes manually zoomed to take up the whole screen) anyway. And that wouldn't make Exposé less of a viable option as maximizing (an *app*, not a file/window) on Windows does.

On to a second rant, also Maximizing-related. Of course, Apple *did* take a page from Windows' UI behaviour, and what did they apply it to? Why, to the über-easy-to-use iLife suite. That "coincidence" alone is very telling; sometimes, maximizing is the way to go, and as such, you can do it (at least that I know of, since I haven't tried iWeb yet) under all of its apps (yes, even under iTunes, by pressing a modifier when clicking the "zoom" button or through the Window menu). But when you do, you're faced with some *dumb* HIG decision Apple made back when El Steve thought brushed metal was cool enough to be plastered all over the place. I'm of course talking about the inherent "draggability" of brushed/unified metal. While its *appearance* only affects one's personal taste (and I must admit, I rather like the unified metal a wee bit), its "draggability" makes iLife apps, on their maximized state, an absolute pain to use. If you miss one of the app's buttons or widgets and hit that large mass of metal (or, sometimes, wood :D ) instead, oops, there goes your app, out of the screen's boundaries. Well, *duh*, that's what titlebars were invented for in the first place. Which brings me, again, to System 1-7, the classic Mac OS, GEM, Windows, X-Window and preety much every other GUI in history. Well *duh*, Apple, nice move! :rolleyes: (Btw, I could care less about resizing along the window borders; in fact, I think Apple got it right with the resize from the corner, even though it sometimes forces you to move the window first.) ...

I'm, again, very aware that Apple made that decision to make windows easier to drag. The problem is, they now are *too* easy to drag, to the point it annoys the end-user, and to the point it makes me wonder what Apple engineers have inside their heads instead of brains. :o

bousozoku
Aug 26, 2006, 10:48 AM
That has a name, and is called "Maximizing" ;) . I understand your pain, as I'm a switcher myself... I've been using OS X since Dec.'03, and even today, there are a number of times when I want to maximize an app and I just can't do it. I'm figuring the fact I miss that Windows feature is Apple's fault, and not mine, since I'm already preety much used to OS X's natural workflow (in fact, it took me 15 min. to find my way around Jaguar :p ).

I'm not saying that Apple should ditch the multi-window approach, as that alone is what makes the Mac OS so much more elegant than Windows. Under Windows, the distinction between apps, files, and "tasks" is severely blurred, which makes multitasking a garbled mess. But one thing I'm sure of: zooming kinda sucks, and is, in my view, counter-intuitive. Btw, to all the die-hard, long-time Apple fans: I've been using PCs since '92, from Windows 3.1 to XP, and back in those days I also played a lot with a friend's Mac Color Classic, running System 6/7, and with a 286 that there was in my school running GEM (don't recall if it was a version prior to the Apple lawsuit), so I know a thing or two about GUIs, firsthand ;) . That being said, IMHO, the best Apple could do would be *adding* a Maximize option, as an alternative to zooming, either by adding a fourth button on the titlebar, or by allowing people to alternatively choose the behaviour of the "+" button on System Preferences.
...

GEM version 1.1 is probably the version you used. Version 2.0 removed overlapping windows. They were either (pretty much) half the display or all of the display.

I still don't understand the need to maximise any application. In fact, recently I used Windows XP for a little over a week and found it impossible to use Firefox at less than full screen, even after I re-sized it. The next time I would open it, it would be more-or-less minimised with only the window controls visible. When I worked on Windows 2000 and Windows 95, drag-and-drop didn't work particularly well so I used copy and paste where possible. That was usually a pain because they used IBM's CUA keystrokes in some applications and others used modified Mac keystrokes. Is it control-delete to copy or is it shift delete? It may be difficult to remember command-x/control-x to cut but command-c/control-c for copy makes it clearer.

Apple has done some odd things with Mac OS X but they're not finished with it.

mkrishnan
Aug 26, 2006, 11:05 AM
I still don't understand the need to maximise any application. In fact, recently I used Windows XP for a little over a week and found it impossible to use Firefox at less than full screen, even after I re-sized it.

Yeah, before Windows I was used to apps that were not maximized. And then I got used to Windows. And OS X switched me back... and now I try to arrange XP like I arrange OS X -- a smaller than fullscreen browser and mail window, keeping my buddy list visible on one side of the screen, etc -- but it is much harder than it is in OS X. The apps really don't want to do it.

Although, I did find Firefox more or less accommodating. Is this 1.5.0.6 you're talking about? I wonder why you have this issue...

frogbat
Aug 26, 2006, 12:41 PM
see, for most apps such as mail, browsing and most utilities, the multi window approach is great and is it fact what I use whilst not in any work app.

and nope, I'm no switcher - I'm a mac geek like the rest, my computer trail has so far been - zx81+, C64, A500, A1200, blueberry iMac and a g5. I've never personally owned a winbox but I do have to use one daily for work as a web designer. Using it everyday drives me insane and I believe i spend 50% of my day cussing at it, still, I can appreciate certain functionality that makes my job easier that I end up missing when I'm using a mac (like maximising and powerful file requesters).

And as Mainyehc pointed out, once you start using pro apps and doing more than just browsing, you might appreciate the benefits of maximising a bit more.

The software i use such as dreamweaver, fireworks, flash and pshop all have floating palettes and they're easy to miss etc. Pshop and fireworks both have maximised solutions on the mac but they're not as elegant as they could be. Most apple sw such as final cut have the same floating palette system. Though they have been moving to make more unified interfaces such as in motion.

I find 3d apps such as lightwave and cinema 4d to have better interface as they're contained in a single window...

I hope apple improves their system font and colours selectors too. Or at least turn their windows in a proper window that can be closed with cmd+w.

wrldwzrd89
Aug 26, 2006, 12:58 PM
see, for most apps such as mail, browsing and most utilities, the multi window approach is great and is it fact what I use whilst not in any work app.

and nope, I'm no switcher - I'm a mac geek like the rest, my computer trail has so far been - zx81+, C64, A500, A1200, blueberry iMac and a g5. I've never personally owned a winbox but I do have to use one daily for work as a web designer. Using it everyday drives me insane and I believe i spend 50% of my day cussing at it, still, I can appreciate certain functionality that makes my job easier that I end up missing when I'm using a mac (like maximising and powerful file requesters).

And as Mainyehc pointed out, once you start using pro apps and doing more than just browsing, you might appreciate the benefits of maximising a bit more.

The software i use such as dreamweaver, fireworks, flash and pshop all have floating palettes and they're easy to miss etc. Pshop and fireworks both have maximised solutions on the mac but they're not as elegant as they could be. Most apple sw such as final cut have the same floating palette system. Though they have been moving to make more unified interfaces such as in motion.

I find 3d apps such as lightwave and cinema 4d to have better interface as they're contained in a single window...

I hope apple improves their system font and colours selectors too. Or at least turn their windows in a proper window that can be closed with cmd+w.
Personally, I'd rather that Apple made mini-windows closable with the keyboard, preferably with cmd+w just like normal windows. Mini-windows do have their place in some situations - they're ideal for floating toolbars, for example.

mkrishnan
Aug 26, 2006, 02:05 PM
Personally, I'd rather that Apple made mini-windows closable with the keyboard, preferably with cmd+w just like normal windows. Mini-windows do have their place in some situations - they're ideal for floating toolbars, for example.

This would be a very nice improvement. I think the mini-window *look* is fine. Although this leads into a complicated scenario... I haven't really developed Cocoa, but it seems like Mini Windows are always intended to be non-focusable. So when you open the View Options in Finder, it doesn't gain focus, but rather represents the rules for the Finder window that does have focus. Which is really acting like a palette (which shouldn't have focus and probably shouldn't be closed by Cmd-W, since it will lead to users frequently closing the palette and not the document, when they want to close the document).

And yet I constantly want to Cmd-W those Finder windows! :(

Mainyehc
Aug 26, 2006, 03:25 PM
see, for most apps such as mail, browsing and most utilities, the multi window approach is great and is it fact what I use whilst not in any work app.

Exactly! You quoted me saying that maximizing is great for work, and I also have to agree with you on that, though I didn't specify earlier in which apps the multi-window approach really shines. Well, it shines in preety much everything else besides pro apps ;) .

For me, I love the tabs/windows combo in Safari (and I'm really looking forward to that great multiple tab bookmarking feature, it will improve research and surfing a lot for me), it's actually not that bad when using Photoshop and acceptable for Word documents, as my iMac's 20'' screen is a great canvas for displaying lots of stuff at the same time (it's also great for ejecting volumes without having to trigger Exposé).

I could care less about tabbed chatting (in Mercury, because I only have Messenger buddies and my brother on iChat, so I don't really need to use Adium) and really like having individual narrow and tall IM windows (yes, I absolutely hate maximized IM windows, as too many words per line are displayed on the screen, and it's easier for me to organize "people" spatially, thus avoiding accidentally typing in the wrong window)...

For some other apps, the single-window approach is rather nice, like the iApps or even mail (except when you compose new messages), but for one reason or another (most of the times, the fact that they remain functional at a less-than-fullscreen size and thus don't have to monopolize the screen real estate, which is always nice), depending on the app and what you're doing with it, it doesn't make sense to maximize them.

frogbat
Aug 26, 2006, 04:35 PM
yeah bout those mini windows - the lack of focus is annoying, i have cmd+w wired to one of my mouse buttons and i get a bit trigger happy and end up closing an open mail or document rather than the fonts window etc

I'm really looking forward to safari 3 cos my main gripe with safari - the find will be re-implemented exactly the way i'd like it to. I'd like a button on the toolbar to open the downloads window however... as well as better downloads management. I use the stand plugin as it organises the downloads folder in separate folders by date.

in mail i'd like integrated formatting options in the mail composition window rather than having to rely on the mini windows for fonts and styling (yes i know plain is the way to go but alas, I receive many emails featuring comic sans in multi colours at 24+pt! so i'm sure it'll help some1 out there...)

i was surprised by the sidebar implementation in ichat and I have to agree once again with Mainyehc, I like having multiple windows cos otherwise it's easy to typ the wrong thing in the wrong window.

Mainyehc
Aug 27, 2006, 03:51 PM
i was surprised by the sidebar implementation in ichat and I have to agree once again with Mainyehc, I like having multiple windows cos otherwise it's easy to typ the wrong thing in the wrong window.

Yeah, it's funny how most of the time, the thing you end up typing is the *wrong* one, in the *wrong* window and at the *wrong* time... :eek: / :rolleyes: / :D

bousozoku
Aug 27, 2006, 04:56 PM
Yeah, before Windows I was used to apps that were not maximized. And then I got used to Windows. And OS X switched me back... and now I try to arrange XP like I arrange OS X -- a smaller than fullscreen browser and mail window, keeping my buddy list visible on one side of the screen, etc -- but it is much harder than it is in OS X. The apps really don't want to do it.

Although, I did find Firefox more or less accommodating. Is this 1.5.0.6 you're talking about? I wonder why you have this issue...

It was version 1.5.0.6 of Firefox. I used to be successful with keeping Windows the way I liked it but not so with their machine. I'm just glad I don't have to use it all the time. Still, it's better than previous versions.

Detlev
Aug 27, 2006, 08:29 PM
I didn't even know they had G4's then!
They must have swiped the logic board from an old Lisa ;) Weren't they around back then?

cribner
Sep 20, 2006, 02:18 PM
I got the funniest results of all.* According to Coconut Battery, my battery has actually gotten BETTER after using it all this time.* Originally, my battery's capacity was only 3818 mAh, now it's a whopping 12532 mAh!!!!* It's gotta be that southern Florida power!!**:D

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=58023&stc=1&d=1158779770

craigverse
Dec 13, 2006, 04:45 PM
Should I be worried? My laptop is under warranty... think I could get my battery replaced?

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