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IJ Reilly
Aug 31, 2006, 03:18 PM
An analyst has said he's "frankly underwhelmed" by Microsoft's highly-hyped Zune media player, and considers the Apple iPod the "de facto standard" in the portable media market.

American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu maintained a "buy" rating on shares of Apple Computer, which he considers to have the competitive advantage in the media player market.

The Microsoft Zune is expected to launch later this year.

"Microsoft had hinted of an all-new design from the ground up, but from our analysis, it appears that the Zune is essentially a repackaged Toshiba Gigabeat that has seen limited success," said Wu in a report.

Microsoft recently announced the Zune will be manufactured by Toshiba.

The analyst said the Zune is likely to have some success against other Windows media players due to Microsoft's heavy marketing and strong brand. That said, the Zune may be limited by "its lack of differentiation" from other Windows players made by companies including Creative Technology, Samsung, SanDisk, Sony and Toshiba, among others, according to the analyst.

Moreover, the analyst likened Zune to Microsoft's Xbox and Xbox 360 video game consoles, which he views as a "financial failure" with its huge cost to the company and profitability not in the cards for years.

"We believe Microsoft's effort in portable media will likely result in similar economics," he said.

Wu said he expects Apple to introduce new iPod and iTunes products in late September or October.

Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/31/microsoft-apple-0831markets04.html)

Ouch!

patrick0brien
Aug 31, 2006, 04:31 PM
What I find poetic about this is unlike the popularity of the financial losers like the XBoxes, it is eerily apparent at this stage that the Zune will both be a financial and popular loser. And just might break the only other commercial music codec besides AAC.

What are they thinking?


EDIT: Spelling - how can I spell 'music' wrong?!?

IJ Reilly
Aug 31, 2006, 06:18 PM
Microsoft's new marketing strategy: lose money on every new product they sell, but make it up in volume.

patrick0brien
Aug 31, 2006, 06:31 PM
-IJ Reilly

I'm afraid the economic part of my brain doesn't understand how that might work.

How do you mean?

IJ Reilly
Aug 31, 2006, 06:42 PM
-IJ Reilly

I'm afraid the economic part of my brain doesn't understand how that might work.

How do you mean?

Sorry, it's just an old joke. I've never seen a company actually try to operate on this principle, but I think Microsoft is giving it a go.

BTW, I thought there'd be a lot more interest in this story.

timswim78
Aug 31, 2006, 07:20 PM
The difference between MS and other companies is that MS has enough cash to do things like this, for now.

dsnort
Aug 31, 2006, 08:07 PM
The difference between MS and other companies is that MS has enough cash to do things like this, for now.

Didn't I read somewhere that M$ has been posting some really huge financial losses. I don't remember, it may have been just xbox, or stock value.

MisterMe
Aug 31, 2006, 11:16 PM
....

BTW, I thought there'd be a lot more interest in this story.I think that you have discovered something that Microsoft already knows. People used to hate it. Increasingly, they just don't care.

timswim78
Aug 31, 2006, 11:25 PM
Didn't I read somewhere that M$ has been posting some really huge financial losses. I don't remember, it may have been just xbox, or stock value.

MS posts strong profits. Windows and Office are cash cows.

From what I understand, MS loses money on each xbox unit that is sold. However, they expect to recoup the costs through licensing games and because production costs for the xbox units are expected to decrease over time.

vvv
Aug 31, 2006, 11:29 PM
MS posts strong profits. Windows and Office are cash cows.

From what I understand, MS loses money on each xbox unit that is sold. However, they expect to recoup the costs through licensing games and because production costs for the xbox units are expected to decrease over time.

Yes, this is how every console works, you don't make the money on the hardware, but the games. Almost every console is sold at a loss, atleast initially.

IJ Reilly
Sep 1, 2006, 12:51 AM
Yes, this is how every console works, you don't make the money on the hardware, but the games. Almost every console is sold at a loss, atleast initially.

Microsoft is not turning a net profit on the Xbox from software either. Not many companies can afford to lose billions on a product in the hope that, some day, they will be able to turn a profit from it. Most companies have to show a profit from every product they sell fairly quickly, or they will be punished in the equity markets for making poor business decisions. Microsoft seems to be one of the few exceptions to this rule. The company's history of bad management doesn't seem to damage their reputation. In fact they now expect to get away with yet another big investment in a fruitless enterprise without anyone noticing.

patrick0brien
Sep 1, 2006, 02:09 AM
-IJ Reilly, all, et. al.

It is my humble (and Scotch-induced drunk) observation that Microsoft has embarked upon introducing the XBox and XBos 360, and selling them at a loss to eventually outlast the competition in the console space, so that starvation of the competitors will occur. If that were to happen, then Microsoft would have the console space all to themselves, allowing them to increase prices to further result in actual profit.

A clever, yet Microsoft-typical strategy.

However, Sony and Nintendo have put up a stronger business defense in their own right and this has not yet come to pass.

And, at this point there is no reason to expect Microsoft to succeed here at this point.

This explains both their strategy, and why it has not yet proven to be successful.

Let us all hope that Sony - this branch of Sony - keeps fighting the good fight of competition. Oh, and Nintendo too.

To quote Fukui:
Windows is a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1-bit of competition.

IJ Reilly
Sep 1, 2006, 10:32 AM
Sure, they've got money in the bank (a veritable Fort Knox) so they believe they can outlast any competitor, no matter how long it takes. But in the meantime, they are still losing money, hand over fist, on projects like the Xbox, and next, Zune. No matter how you look at it, Microsoft appears to be amazingly inept when it comes to developing new products that actually make money. If it wasn't for the Windows and Office franchises, they'd be operating deeply in the red. They just don't seem to have the ability to make good, sound business decisions. Every day and in every way, Microsoft begins to look more and more like the General Motors of technology. And we all know what happened to them!

MisterMe
Sep 1, 2006, 10:51 AM
Microsoft is not turning a net profit on the Xbox from software either. Not many companies can afford to lose billions on a product in the hope that, some day, they will be able to turn a profit from it. Most companies have to show a profit from every product they sell fairly quickly, or they will be punished in the equity markets for making poor business decisions. Microsoft seems to be one of the few exceptions to this rule. The company's history of bad management doesn't seem to damage their reputation. In fact they now expect to get away with yet another big investment in a fruitless enterprise without anyone noticing.Contrary to popular belief, Microsoft can't afford to lose billions either. It is doing everything that it can to reverse its financial fortunes. Billions in the bank represent past successes. We will live in the future. Where (http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.asp?Symbol=MSFT&PT=0&CP=1&C5=1&C6=2001&C7=8&C8=2006&C9=0&CE=0&CompSyms=AAPL&D5=0&D7=&D6=&D3=0&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart) would you rather invest your grandmother's retirement fund?

IJ Reilly
Sep 1, 2006, 11:12 AM
Contrary to popular belief, Microsoft can't afford to lose billions either. It is doing everything that it can to reverse its financial fortunes. Billions in the bank represent past successes. We will live in the future. Where (http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.asp?Symbol=MSFT&PT=0&CP=1&C5=1&C6=2001&C7=8&C8=2006&C9=0&CE=0&CompSyms=AAPL&D5=0&D7=&D6=&D3=0&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart) would you rather invest your grandmother's retirement fund?

They can "afford" it only in the sense that they've got the money to burn, not just cash-on-hand but in the revenue stream supplied Windows and Office. It's not unusual for companies in secure financial positions to make long-term investments in products that will take time to pay off. What is unusual is for a company to have invested in so many doggy projects over the years, few if any of which have been financial winners. So long as they've got the active Windows and Office lifeline, Microsoft will continue to be profitable. But their ability to expand beyond this core has been a dreadful failure -- on every count, as nearly as I can tell. For a company with such immense financial resources, and theoretically a huge pool of talent, this is nothing short of remarkable.

patrick0brien
Sep 1, 2006, 11:31 AM
...(a veritable Fort Knox)...

-IJ Reilly

You're too kind. I'd say a veritable country's economy :D

But you are absolutely correct, the Windows and Office cash cows are the only things that have ever kept the afloat. What I find interesting, is both of those ideas are from no later than the mid-80's.

If it weren't for these cows, I think they'd be lucky to still exist at all. In fact, the'd have probably disappeared around the time of Osborne Computer.

dsnort
Sep 1, 2006, 12:00 PM
MS posts strong profits. Windows and Office are cash cows.

From what I understand, MS loses money on each xbox unit that is sold. However, they expect to recoup the costs through licensing games and because production costs for the xbox units are expected to decrease over time.

Ok I found what I was looking for. The losses I remembered were from xbox, in the billions. They are still profitable from Windows and office. But, their stock performance lately has not been good. It has been steadily losing value for the last few years, suggesting that their success from windows and office does not immunize them from concerns over poor marketing decisions. Links below.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=MSFT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=aapl

IJ Reilly
Sep 1, 2006, 12:41 PM
If it weren't for these cows, I think they'd be lucky to still exist at all. In fact, the'd have probably disappeared around the time of Osborne Computer.

And when you consider, Microsoft effectively blundered into the OS franchise, and then built the Office franchise by leveraging the OS, you have to wonder where they'd be today without both of them. No place good, I suspect. I always flinch reflexively whenever someone talks about the brilliance of Bill Gates and Microsoft. Where have they succeeded, outside of Windows and products they leveraged from Windows, I ask? The list of failures is long, with Zune apparently about to be added.

patrick0brien
Sep 1, 2006, 02:00 PM
...I always flinch reflexively whenever someone talks about the brilliance of Bill Gates and Microsoft...

-IJ Reilly

I just flinched myself.

Yes, the propensity of some pundits to declare Bill Gates a genius really gets me.

He's one of the best opportunists out there, but not a genius.

Project
Sep 1, 2006, 02:46 PM
I think the 360 provides a superb experience. Microsoft have really put the effort into the whole experience of it and they are rightly commended for it. Yet its made an astronomical loss. So just how much praise can we heap on J Allard and co, who has been rewarded handsomely for his role in the 360. End of the day it hasnt made any money for the company, and if the goal is to win the living room long term its going to have to lose much much more before it even begins to turn the deficit around. We are talking about an installed base of 50-60m before they make begin to make meaningful returns.

So how do we guage Xbox and the 360? Is it really a success? Its difficult when the parameters for success at Microsoft are a million miles away from reality for every other company in existence.

MisterMe
Sep 1, 2006, 10:55 PM
Ok I found what I was looking for. The losses I remembered were from xbox, in the billions. They are still profitable from Windows and office. But, their stock performance lately has not been good. It has been steadily losing value for the last few years, suggesting that their success from windows and office does not immunize them from concerns over poor marketing decisions. Links below.

...This link (http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.asp?Symbol=MSFT&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart&PT=0&CP=1&C5=8&C6=1984&C7=8&C8=2006&C9=0&CB=1&CE=0&CompSyms=&D5=0&D7=&D6=&D3=0) better represents the point that you are trying to make. Microsoft's stock has not done well for a very long time. In the 1990's it skyrocketed, but it lambdaed in 1999. Since 1999, Microsoft's stock price has been in logarithmic decline. Even during Microsoft's best days, only three of its seven business units were profitable. Having achieved monopoly status in operating systems and office productivity software, it finds itself in search of new revenue growth.

Microsoft has done its best to cut nonrevenue-generating software such as the non-Windows versions of Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer. It has also sold its position in the MSNBC cable channel, though it maintains the MSNBC web portal. Microsoft is floundering around for new revenue sources. To date, the best that it done is the Xbox/Xbox 360, which will never earn a profit, and Zune, which has the potential to add $162.13 to Microsoft's bottomline.

patrick0brien
Sep 2, 2006, 04:01 PM
Damn, and I thought I used big words...

:D

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 01:13 PM
Anyone see the new Zune photos at C/Net?

http://news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6115689-1.html?part=rss&tag=6115689&subj=news

comes in 3 colors- white, black, and gasp... brown.

Nothing screams "cool" like brown plastic. :eek:

I almost fell over laughing so hard.

Well at least the M$ marketing folks are daring. Releasing a brown plastic MicroPod 48 hours after the coolest aluminum iPods ever conceived hit the market.

iGary
Sep 14, 2006, 01:17 PM
The name just isn't graspable or friendly, even.

"Hey is that a Zune?"

Get real.

No ITMS, no iTunes, no dice. (Broken record).

And its not because I am a MS hater - I wanted something great, personally.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 01:26 PM
It's looks you said to your R & D dept. - "Here's this really cool Apple iPod, now what can you do to it to make it really ugly?"

Wait... is that a floppy drive slot on the bottom?

I don't know, maybe the brown one is just burned into my brain, but they all look so just 'slapped together'. If you were to make them more polished, they're looked more like a real iPod I guess. So you deliberately add some subtle differences, but by doing that, you totally lose the "cool-ness".

Even though I hate M$, I was really expecting something very different looking. They get an A+ for originality and daring for making brown a real color choice. Oh, be careful... don't accidently drop that one in the commode; you might have some trouble finding it. (ok, cheap shot I know... but it's brown!!! ugh!)

Chimera
Sep 14, 2006, 01:32 PM
Yep it's definitely underwhelming, plus there is going to be little hype today and tomorrow due to the Wii launch details.

One thing though, if Apple couldn't get out a full screen iPod in time for Xmas couldn't they have a short term compromise with a screen layout like the Zune but with the iPod 'look'. I suppose it's because Steve doesn't know the meaning of compromise.

IJ Reilly
Sep 14, 2006, 01:36 PM
Nice box, though. It says "Zune" on it!

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 01:39 PM
Nice box, though. It says "Zune" on it!

It's brown-ish too.

;)

Lord Blackadder
Sep 14, 2006, 01:47 PM
I can't get over the brown color...I can see the commercial tagline -

Zune: proof that you CAN polish a turd. :rolleyes:

TJJ
Sep 14, 2006, 01:53 PM
hehe, so it DOES come in brown... :)
-> appleinsider.com

swingerofbirch
Sep 14, 2006, 01:54 PM
What happened to http://www.comingzune.com ?

They used to have that freaky cartoon there...looks like the page is gone.

EDIT: Maybe it's just not loading on my browser as View--> source code shows there's something there. I'm on FireFox 2 beta on a PC, and it just shows a blank page.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 01:54 PM
I cna't get over the brown color...I can see the commercial tagline -

Zune: proof that you CAN polish a turd. :rolleyes:

There's a couple of peeps over at C/Net that claim to like the brown color. I don't get it? There's nothing stopping them from offering purple, green, pink, blue, silver, gold, yellow, lime, etc., etc... and they choose brown (with a black scroll wheel, proving once again that black does not "go" with anything). To me it looks like Zune is more of a Zune-killer.

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=21139&messageID=183881&start=-179

Applespider
Sep 14, 2006, 02:07 PM
I guess it's a USP - no-one else does brown so if you really want a brown MP3 player, they've cornered the market.

But... the screen is bigger which will attract people and putting your own pics on the menu will also appeal to some. The fact that it might make the menus unreadable if you choose the wrong one might be more of a problem.

And I'd have put a picture on the box - I realise they're trying to get away from stickers everywhere but a picture doesn't hurt.

I still reckon that when they finally announce pricing/availability, Apple will announce a special event with a real video iPod priced higher than the current 5.5G but that will blow this away entirely.

IJ Reilly
Sep 14, 2006, 02:14 PM
There's a couple of peeps over at C/Net that claim to like the brown color. I don't get it? There's nothing stopping them from offering purple, green, pink, blue, silver, gold, yellow, lime, etc., etc... and they choose brown (with a black scroll wheel, proving once again that black does not "go" with anything). To me it looks like Zune is more of a Zune-killer.

Black goes with white or grey and can go with other primary colors, such as yellow or red. But not brown. I think it's a perfect Microsoft statement -- finally a DMP for people who wear brown shoes with a grey suit! You know who you are -- get yourself a Zune!

Lord Blackadder
Sep 14, 2006, 02:14 PM
I agree - Apple is likely preparing some sort of further response to the Zune's appearance, either with price drops or added features. Or maybe even the appearance of the rumored all-screen iPod with virtual click wheel.

Still, this device (except for the brown ones) does represent a significant threat to the iPod's dominance - it is MS we are talking about here after all.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 02:14 PM
I still reckon that when they finally announce pricing/availability, Apple will announce a special event with a real video iPod priced higher than the current 5.5G but that will blow this away entirely.

I agree.

I still can't get over the stupidity of making the announcement within 48 hours of the Apple iPod event. Sure, if you really got something great, steal the limelight. But in this case we got a brown plastic device stuck in everyone's head that's not priced yet and won't be on the market for a couple months up against real iPods you can buy today that are NOT brown and NOT plastic.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 02:19 PM
Black goes with white or grey and can go with other primary colors, such as yellow or red. But not brown. I think it's a perfect Microsoft statement -- finally a DMP for people who wear brown shoes with a grey suit! You know who you are -- get yourself a Zune!


Ooo oooh... I got the perfect Zune commercial.

It's two guys in front of a white background. The dorky computer geek is wearing a black suit with brown shoes and has a brown Zune. The cool one in blue jeans has an aluminum iPod in Silver.

Oh no wait, that's the perfect iPod commercial.

iGav
Sep 14, 2006, 02:20 PM
FFS people, what the ****** is wrong with brown??? :rolleyes:

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 02:24 PM
FFS people, what the ****** is wrong with brown??? :rolleyes:

:eek:

Nothing if it's not made of plastic or has real wood grain.

Ok, now if M$ made these out of brown leather instead of plastic.... I can smell them now. It would match my wallet perfectly. :rolleyes:

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 02:27 PM
Seriously now...

If M$ wanted to come up with something original, they cold have offered one in a non-color such as clear. Even if that's a stupid idea, it's less stupid than brown.

Hey Apple! How about a crystal clear iPod? You could even tint them slightly.

iGav
Sep 14, 2006, 02:38 PM
Even if that's a stupid idea, it's less stupid than brown.

Why is it stupid?

Now Gold... ;)

66217
Sep 14, 2006, 02:42 PM
And when you consider, Microsoft effectively blundered into the OS franchise, and then built the Office franchise by leveraging the OS, you have to wonder where they'd be today without both of them. No place good, I suspect. I always flinch reflexively whenever someone talks about the brilliance of Bill Gates and Microsoft. Where have they succeeded, outside of Windows and products they leveraged from Windows, I ask? The list of failures is long, with Zune apparently about to be added.

Windows itself is a big succes. You can't say that Bill Gates is stupid, the richest man in the world can't be stupid. He knew what to do. Windows is the center of Microsoft. So that's from they make money.

Is the same if you say: "What would be of Apple without the iPod?" It was thanks for the iPod that Apple increased revenues. Buying and using an iPod was what made me buy a MB.
I do agree, Zune is horrible, Windows and Office are pathetic, etc. But they are still one if the biggest companies in the world.

carfac
Sep 14, 2006, 02:43 PM
You know, this could have taken a BIG swipe at iPod (brown or not) if it had been widescreen. But 4:3- ho hum. who cares. What does this do (besides come in brown) that iPod does not?

xsedrinam
Sep 14, 2006, 02:45 PM
Black goes with white or grey and can go with other primary colors, such as yellow or red. But not brown. I think it's a perfect Microsoft statement -- finally a DMP for people who wear brown shoes with a grey suit! You know who you are -- get yourself a Zune!
Thanks for my daily laugh. :D It had to happen.

cuestakid
Sep 14, 2006, 02:50 PM
after reading about the Zunes features and seeing the images, it is become more clear to me that this product is truly a ipod ripp off-the only thing it has that the ipod doesnt are the horiztonal and vertical video playback and WiFi capabilitywhich sounds like its main job is to connect to other Zune devices and share music which is dumb idea to begin with

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 02:59 PM
Why is it stupid?

Now Gold... ;)

I don't think "clear" is stupid but since it's no longer the "in" thing like a few years ago, some may think it's stupid.

Did M$ do any marketing research at all? If they did, maybe they said, "ok let's pick the top two colors and just for yucks, let's throw in the bottom one too."

On the other hand, looking at the box, it seems that they designed that first in an outside department and just said, "hey, let's offer a third choice to match the whatever color of the Zune logo and box. How whacky could the logo color be?"

Lord Blackadder
Sep 14, 2006, 03:23 PM
Why is it stupid?

Now Gold... ;)

Gold is only stupid if you don't want to look like a thug or a hip-hop "artist" (or footballer or chav etc). :)

I think brown is a wretched color in this case...earth tones look fine for clothes but not an electronic gadget IMO.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 03:28 PM
I think brown is a wretched color in this case...earth tones look fine for clothes but not an electronic gadget IMO.


Remember those small stereo systems from the 1970's that you can still find at flea markets and garage sales? Most were brown plastic with embossed fake wood grain.

They could have made it PC-beige. Ugly too but better than brown. Some of the original Motorola cell phones were PC-beige.

IJ Reilly
Sep 14, 2006, 03:31 PM
Windows itself is a big succes. You can't say that Bill Gates is stupid, the richest man in the world can't be stupid. He knew what to do. Windows is the center of Microsoft. So that's from they make money.

...which is pretty much what I said. The rhetorical question being: beyond the operating systems and the products they could leverage off the operating systems, where has Microsoft actually succeeded?

For the record, I never said that Bill Gates is stupid. He's obviously very bright. But a lot of people are very bright, but very few become billionaires. Luck has an awful lot to do with that outcome -- and Bill was supremely lucky very early on.

IJ Reilly
Sep 14, 2006, 03:42 PM
Remember those small stereo systems from the 1970's that you can still find at flea markets and garage sales? Most were brown plastic with embossed fake wood grain.

They could have made it PC-beige. Ugly too but better than brown. Some of the original Motorola cell phones were PC-beige.

I'm liking it. A Zune covered with woodgrain vinyl contact paper, complete with little bubbles, just like the real thing. Or yellow formica with little boomerangs. So retro, it's hip!

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 03:48 PM
I'm liking it. A Zune covered with woodgrain vinyl contact paper, complete with little bubbles, just like the real thing. Or yellow formica with little boomerangs. So retro, it's hip!

Weren't some of the original Commodore or Tandy PCs beige with brown keys? That would be hip. (don't forget the floppy slot on the bottom and a centronix parallel port on the back). A flat mylar keypad would be pretty retro too.

patrick0brien
Sep 14, 2006, 03:56 PM
Most were brown plastic with embossed fake wood grain.

-sparky672

This was a general style - like streamlining in the late '30's. Speaking of the fake wood grain - my bedside radio/alarm clock has the fake wood grain - and is about that old.

xsedrinam
Sep 14, 2006, 03:56 PM
I'm liking it. A Zune covered with woodgrain vinyl contact paper, complete with little bubbles, just like the real thing. Or yellow formica with little boomerangs. So retro, it's hip!
Like, ...... a Zune Suit.

Lord Blackadder
Sep 14, 2006, 03:57 PM
Fake woodgrain would be an improvement over their current scheme.

IJ Reilly
Sep 14, 2006, 04:09 PM
Like, ...... a Zune Suit.

¿Que paso?

Or a Zuni Zune -- very new age! Or for all the vegans out there, a Zucchini Zune.

Come on you Photoshop jocks, help us out here!

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 04:35 PM
-sparky672

This was a general style - like streamlining in the late '30's. Speaking of the fake wood grain - my bedside radio/alarm clock has the fake wood grain - and is about that old.


I know. I lived through it. The 70's, not the 30's. ;)

It was horrible.

whooleytoo
Sep 14, 2006, 05:16 PM
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I like it the brown Zune!

To be honest, I've had it up to the eyeballs with the iPod design and the glossy white (or black) plastic, I'd buy any decent device that was a little different now. Give me a widescreen iPod, with a brushed metal or 'cheesegrater' finish. How about a chrome case encased in the iPod clear plastic - that would be cool. Even just some variety in the colours provided.

I've had a 1G and 3G, and can't see myself getting another unless it offers widescreen for the video playback (or until the 3G dies! ;) )

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 05:23 PM
[WARNING - The following comment does not conform to the accepted view of this thread. Read, at your own peril]

I like it the brown Zune!


That's fine and I respect you.

My brown-bashing has to do with the fact that most people will disagree with you. What was M$ thinking?

You know how they have the special edition U2 iPod? The brown one can be a special edition Dale Jaret #88 Nascar UPS Zune with maybe the #88 and Dale's autograph engraved in the cheap plastic on the back.

http://www.racing.ups.com/racing/truck/index.html

patrick0brien
Sep 14, 2006, 05:52 PM
I personally am waiting to see the inevitable Zune Oscar-Meyer edition with the carved hotdog case and the mini-bologna fake scroll wheel.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 06:15 PM
Let us not forget the South Park Mr. Hanky Edition Zune.

Hi-dee Ho!

need I say more?




(sorry, I know, another cheap shot)

whooleytoo
Sep 14, 2006, 08:04 PM
That's fine and I respect you.

My brown-bashing has to do with the fact that most people will disagree with you. What was M$ thinking?


No, I have to admit, I thought a brown player would be fine, but didn't think much of the brown Zune when I saw a photo.

In general though, if you can have a pink or bright green consumer device, I don't see why you couldn't have a brown one.

Archmagination
Sep 14, 2006, 08:55 PM
Don't really care about this topic since Zune sucks, but trying to see if my sig is working correctly.

sparky672
Sep 14, 2006, 09:18 PM
... if you can have a pink or bright green consumer device, I don't see why you couldn't have a brown one.

You can. But more people are going to buy the pink or lime.