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macaddict123k
Aug 1, 2001, 07:28 AM
Can you build your own computer running mac os and a ppc? I was wondering this because with any wintel box you can buy the parts you want and put them in to a box for less money. I was wondering if you could do this with a ppc and mac os.

mnkeybsness
Aug 1, 2001, 08:02 AM
YOU CAN.......

but it would be outrageousely expensive

blakespot
Aug 1, 2001, 08:22 AM
You cannot--it's from Apple or bust. (mnkeybsness: such an endeavor would be similar to making your own TV--impractical to the point of being moot.)


blakespot

msiegal
Aug 1, 2001, 09:11 AM
Not as impossible as you would have it.

...and as a matter of fact, I've done it.

What you do is get yourself a good ATX tower and power supply. Then you get yourself an older apple motherboard... perhaps even a first generation G3 board (they are cheap as snot these days) Then you get yourself an upgrade card and upgrade that tanker to a G4 if you want. Get your RAM direct. PC133 is going for about $40 bucks for 256 MB (dalco.com) Then your $100 hard disk, optical drive, USB card (if you're using a G1 G3 board) monitor, etc.

After all is said and done, you save a couple hundred, but at the same time, there is something to be said about a new computer that you had nothing to do with. Sandwiches always taste better when you didn't make them. I think lickable computers are the same.

macaddict123k
Aug 1, 2001, 09:16 AM
Thank you guys. you helped me lots. i think ill stick with a apple insted of making one.

itomato
Aug 1, 2001, 05:05 PM
Not possible in the same way as a PC, but like msiegal said, nothing is there to stop you from taking a Mac logic board and re-casing it in the enclosure of your choice (http://itomato.ath.cx/9500). My next desktop system will be a Dual G4 in a regular ATX case.

I don't see any need to pay the Apple premium for the case, though it is very pretty. Even if a G4 and motherboard is $1200, that's a lot less than the whole system would cost from Apple. Plus, you get a higher wattage power supply, more drive bays, and a case that you won't stress over denting, scuffing, cracking, etc. I can put in a couple nice IBM hard drives, nice Plextor CD and CD-R drives, get high quality RAM, a SBLive!, and a GeForce3 instead of the nice case, so-so CD and CD-R, and ho-hum GeForce2 MX. Though, I don't get the Pro Keyboard with it, I can get one for $60 or so. But I probably wouldn't. >ick< or the Pro mouse. >double ick< I already have OS X/OS 9, and since I gotta pay $20 for 10.1 anyway, the bundled software means nothing. Bugdom? Yay! >ick< Caveman Rally Thing? Yay! >ick<

Sounds like a good deal to me.

appleman06
Aug 11, 2001, 09:37 AM
Plus it's illegal. You can get sewed by Apple

mnkeybsness
Aug 11, 2001, 12:51 PM
only if you sell it as an apple product

gosh you are a dork

spikey
Aug 12, 2001, 01:45 PM
you 2 dont really like each other do u?
Maybe casual sex would ease the tension

JoyBoy
Aug 12, 2001, 03:48 PM
Lets put it this way, if you want to build a computer, build a PC. You can't build a big bad Mac, you can buy one though. You can build a big bad PC from scratch, but then again you'll end up using Windows or Linux, and that may lead to death of not only the PC but you as well.

MrMacMan
Aug 12, 2001, 08:38 PM
Getting all the parts is fair, putting it together is hard. A Pc is simple cause their are parts all over and instruction every where on the web how to. A mac is different.

JoyBoy
Aug 12, 2001, 08:51 PM
Actually, it isn't that different. If you could acquire the parts, putting them together would be rather simple. Mac parts are just like PC parts, they just work better ;)
A Mac has all the same parts a PC does, HD, Mobo, video card, memory, etc.

MrMacMan
Aug 12, 2001, 09:03 PM
Pc's have been made by hand for many year's. Mac's are Diffucult to make. With older parts it just makes it harder.

JoyBoy
Aug 12, 2001, 09:06 PM
Agreed.

evildead
Aug 13, 2001, 12:15 PM
I thought that buying a Mac ment that you got away from all the stuff that comes with building a PC. To get a descent PC you have to build it your self. Then when you try to load the OS... it wont reconise 1/2 your high-end parts. I help my PC friends build there recording studio.. (digital) and they didnt want to go Mac. It was hard getting every thing to work. If you want to slapp togeter a dune buggy then get a PC. I would rather go down to the BMD dealership and pick up a new Mac.

JoyBoy
Aug 13, 2001, 12:32 PM
I don't recall ever buying a Mac for the purpose of not having to build one on my own. Truthfully, I'd love to be able to build one, but I love Mac OS and have absolutely no desire to fumble around with Windows. Buying a Mac means you want to use Mac OS, not because you don't feel like building a PC. At least for me anyways. Seems a little illogical to buy a Mac only because you don't want to build a PC...you can buy PCs fully assembled of course.

evildead
Aug 13, 2001, 02:13 PM
its not the only reason I am a Mac Head. What I ment was is that it is not nessesary to build one. When you buy from Apple its the best you can get. When you build a PC you can build one that is bigger and better than anything you can get on the consumer PC market. To build a Mac... I dont think that you could make a better Box than Apple. But I could be wrong. Probably would be fun to put one together :)

MrMacMan
Aug 13, 2001, 07:41 PM
Yup, that apple store. Oh yaaa Dual 800. 1.5 gig's of memory. 22" Screen. Nivida Geforce3.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/211/wo/ZPieo0abYV6JcyF7SD/3.7.0.3.30.1

JoyBoy
Aug 13, 2001, 08:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You got ripped off!!
Why would you spend $2000 dollars on memory from Apple? I maxed out mine for around $300, though it could have been cheaper but I went with Crucial. NEVER buy RAM from Apple, it is WAY over priced.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?model=Power+Mac+G4+%28Dual+800MHz%29&x=5&y=10

PC133 is dirt cheap right now, most RAM is(not RDRAM of course).

MrMacMan
Aug 13, 2001, 08:40 PM
I'm not buying the RAM from Apple. It's a DREAM SYSTEM!!!! FOOL!!!!! And I found out that besides Cruical, there is lower priced RAM (GASPING). CAn't Breath.

evildead
Aug 14, 2001, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
Yup, that apple store. Oh yaaa Dual 800. 1.5 gig's of memory. 22" Screen. Nivida Geforce3.



Nice system. I built mine too... but its not as beefy as your system

867 G4
CD-RW (no Super Drive)
128MB RAM (1 gig extra from 3rd party vender)
USB 2.0 PCI Card (outpost.com)
harman/Kordon Soundsticks and iSub (outpost.com)
Apple 17' LCD




[Edited by evildead on 08-14-2001 at 12:19 PM]

MrMacMan
Aug 14, 2001, 11:15 AM
Good system.

JoyBoy
Aug 14, 2001, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by MrMacman
I'm not buying the RAM from Apple. It's a DREAM SYSTEM!!!! FOOL!!!!! And I found out that besides Cruical, there is lower priced RAM (GASPING). CAn't Breath.

I don't have to dream. :D
I don't buy RAM from Crucial because it is the cheapest, but because it is the highest quality. I'm aware you can get PC133 for much cheaper.

http://www.pricewatch.com or
http://www.ramseeker.com

itomato
Aug 14, 2001, 01:13 PM
The thing with Apple's components is that they are *****! The CD burners that are in the new G4 are the same lame piece of $89 trash you can get at Best Buy. Exactly. There are no high-end sound card options direct from Apple, the chip they build onto the G4 is in the same class, if not an idential chip to the $19 PCI sound cards that go in PCs, or get built onto the motherboard. They are also junk. The power supply is built to Apple spec by another cheap Taiwanese OEM, and is probably on par with those from Dell, Gateway, etc, but is no comparison to the high-end offerings from performance components vendors. Same goes for OEM Apple RAM, hard disks (I think), CD rom drives, and keyboards (yuck!).. Basically, buying Apple may be the best you can get, but not if you look at it on a component level. Then, Apple is just as bad as any other whole unit computer maker.

I'd much rather see an IBM 75 GXP, and Plextor or Yamaha optical drives, rather than Maxtor and "Lite-On"..

But then, I'm interested in these things, and they matter to me.

john123
Aug 14, 2001, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by itomato
The thing with Apple's components is that they are *****! The CD burners that are in the new G4 are the same lame piece of $89 trash you can get at Best Buy. Exactly. There are no high-end sound card options direct from Apple, the chip they build onto the G4 is in the same class, if not an idential chip to the $19 PCI sound cards that go in PCs, or get built onto the motherboard. They are also junk. The power supply is built to Apple spec by another cheap Taiwanese OEM, and is probably on par with those from Dell, Gateway, etc, but is no comparison to the high-end offerings from performance components vendors. Same goes for OEM Apple RAM, hard disks (I think), CD rom drives, and keyboards (yuck!).. Basically, buying Apple may be the best you can get, but not if you look at it on a component level. Then, Apple is just as bad as any other whole unit computer maker.

I'd much rather see an IBM 75 GXP, and Plextor or Yamaha optical drives, rather than Maxtor and "Lite-On"..

But then, I'm interested in these things, and they matter to me.

He's right...the parts are crap. You get name-brands sometimes in your drives, but you could do WAY better. And Apple used to do way better, too. Remember the days when the drives were SCSI-based? Ahhhh.

But guess what? All the "loyal Apple" people continued to complain about the price, and the best way to cut costs was to use cheaper parts. The grave you folks have dug is your own....

mischief
Aug 14, 2001, 04:49 PM
Cheaper was the demand, and it's what we got. I'd like to buy just the core boards and Power Supply from Apple. If I'm going to use it for my own business and not sell the thing, why not?

By the way: Anyone know how to fit a rev A Imac motherboard into a slot in a 19" rack? Preferrably horizontally in sets. I figure I should be able to fit about 18 in there and about 2 HD per board. I figure 18 500MHZ G3's with 256 a piece, even at 66Mhz bus speeds'd kick ass.

evildead
Aug 14, 2001, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by mischief

By the way: Anyone know how to fit a rev A Imac motherboard into a slot in a 19" rack? Preferrably horizontally in sets. I figure I should be able to fit about 18 in there and about 2 HD per board. I figure 18 500MHZ G3's with 256 a piece, even at 66Mhz bus speeds'd kick ass.


sounds interesting... what are you going to use that for? I am a server admin. Just wondering.

MrMacMan
Aug 14, 2001, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Cheaper was the demand, and it's what we got. I'd like to buy just the core boards and Power Supply from Apple. If I'm going to use it for my own business and not sell the thing, why not?

People want cheaper product's plus apple has costly computer's. They do Cost more, even if apple had better ; support, quality products....