Apple Releases Core 2 Duo iMac, Adds 24" Model

[kadajawi]

I don't think that 5.1 systems for $400 really can sound great. Decent maybe. Nothing more. $400 really is like nothing in HiFi areas and only gets you entry level speakers (2 of them, or rather 1) from good companies with a good reputation. Without amp of course.

[mmignano]

Question...

I'm pretty torn between getting the 20" iMac and the 24" iMac. Price is definitely an issue for me...I've allowed myself roughly $2000 to spend...but the 24 is tempting me to spend a little more than that, which I think I will. But I don't think I have the money to max out the 24" with all the BTO options. So I think its between the 20" with 2gb ram and 256mb of video ram....or the 24" with 2gb ram and 128mb of video ram (the 7300 video card). Would it be worth it for me to get the 24" iMac even though I don't have the money to upgrade the video card? I do a little photoshop work and some Logic work...but nothing too video/graphic intensive. I play an occasional game of Warcraft every once in a while. Never play Doom or any first person shooter games like that. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks.

[~Shard~]

In the past, the Apple store was not the place to upgrade your RAM, but that has clearly changed.

Perhaps it has then, I haven't tried doing the math on these latest Intel models when it comes to RAM, just going based on prior experience. Although I bet you that better deals can be found for 2 GB sticks elsewhere, as last time I checked Apple was charing an awful lot for those specifically. Or, perhaps I'm out of touch on this one as well... :o ;) :cool:

[zwida]

Question...

I'm pretty torn between getting the 20" iMac and the 24" iMac. Price is definitely an issue for me...I've allowed myself roughly $2000 to spend...but the 24 is tempting me to spend a little more than that, which I think I will. But I don't think I have the money to max out the 24" with all the BTO options. So I think its between the 20" with 2gb ram and 256mb of video ram....or the 24" with 2gb ram and 128mb of video ram (the 7300 video card). Would it be worth it for me to get the 24" iMac even though I don't have the money to upgrade the video card? I do a little photoshop work and some Logic work...but nothing too video/graphic intensive. I play an occasional game of Warcraft every once in a while. Never play Doom or any first person shooter games like that. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks.

Well, it seems that the combination of bigger monitor and wimpier video card would be a bad one. As sexy as the 24" is, I think you'd be better served by the 20" with more video RAM.

[kadajawi]

Well, it seems that the combination of bigger monitor and wimpier video card would be a bad one. As sexy as the 24" is, I think you'd be better served by the 20" with more video RAM.
Whats the advantage of the more video RAM? My 6600GT with 128 MB beats several 256 MB models... don't think the RAM is an issue when only doing photoshop and stuff.

[Multimedia]

I don't think that 5.1 systems for $400 really can sound great. Decent maybe. Nothing more. $400 really is like nothing in HiFi areas and only gets you entry level speakers (2 of them, or rather 1) from good companies with a good reputation. Without amp of course.In America you can get an excellent Dolby Digital DTS 500 Watt Amp for $200 or less - Pioneer - and a Passive 12" Subwoofer for $100. The other 5 speakers can be found for another $200 if you use smaller 2 or 3 way on sale at Fry's. Not top drawer, but very much better compared to the smaller size these Kliptch are. Sometimes Fry's even has the whole shebang on sale for $499 in one easy to setup package.

[MacinDoc]

Well, it seems that the combination of bigger monitor and wimpier video card would be a bad one. As sexy as the 24" is, I think you'd be better served by the 20" with more video RAM.
Most people here seem to think that the 7300 is a step up from the X1600, even with 128MB of VRAM.

[foxbatkllr]

I have been lurking on this board for years and I finally registered to say I got a new iMac. I've been using a G4 400 since early 2000. Finally I was able to get some money together and purchase a new 20" iMac with RAM, VRAM, and wireless kb/mm upgrades. I'm super stoked. My first new Mac in 6 1/2 years!

[Multimedia]

Well, it seems that the combination of bigger monitor and wimpier video card would be a bad one. As sexy as the 24" is, I think you'd be better served by the 20" with more video RAM.No. More video RAM is only needed for 3-D Games and design work. You are much better off with the 24" and stock RAM. Photoshop will not run faster with twice the stock 128MB video RAM. Anything 2D doesn't really care about video ram including video. Motion does but not Final Cut Pro. That being said, it can't hurt to pay the extra $125 to double the RAM when thinking of resale value. :)Whats the advantage of the more video RAM? My 6600GT with 128 MB beats several 256 MB models... don't think the RAM is an issue when only doing photoshop and stuff.You are correct sir or madam.

[MacinDoc]

Perhaps it has then, I haven't tried doing the math on these latest Intel models when it comes to RAM, just going based on prior experience. Although I bet you that better deals can be found for 2 GB sticks elsewhere, as last time I checked Apple was charing an awful lot for those specifically. Or, perhaps I'm out of touch on this one as well... :o ;) :cool:
Considering that the cheapest price I can find on a 2 GB SODIMM is $729 USD, if you purchased one of those with a 1 GB SODIMM and added shipping and customs, you would still be hard pressed to break even by buying 3rd party RAM to configure a 3 GB iMac.

[Multimedia]

I have been lurking on this board for years and I finally registered to say I got a new iMac. I've been using a G4 400 since early 2000. Finally I was able to get some money together and purchase a new 20" iMac with RAM, VRAM, and wireless kb/mm upgrades. I'm super stoked. My first new Mac in 6 1/2 years!Congratulations! That's the original September 1999 G4 PowerMac (http://everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_400.html) offering from exactly 7 years ago.

Original price $1600
Resale Value $350-$450

Watch out for whiplash. ;)

You do know you can edit your posts right?

[foxbatkllr]

Congratulations! That's decended from the original September 1999 G4 PowerMac speed offering 7 years ago only still a G3.

Your's was introduced on July 19, 2000. It is known officially as either the iMac DV 400 (Indego) (http://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_dv_400_indigo.html) or the iMac DV SE - Special Edition (Grey) (http://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_se_dv_400.html). Former has a red tinted body - very sexy, latter boring grey.

15" 1024x768 CRT Original price $1499
Resale Value $275-$375

Watch out for whiplash. ;)


My bad. I meant to say my G4 400 was/is a tower, not an iMac. But I am prepared for a huge speed difference.

http://eshop.macsales.com/images/Items/specs/g4st200.jpg

[vansouza]

My BTO 24" still says shipping on 15th and delivery by the 20th... with 2 day air.. lol

Anyone find their data adjusted to the good? :o

[minnesotamacman]

Getting in the car today to go get my 24" iMac :)

[AidenShaw]

No. More video RAM is only needed for 3-D Games and design work. You are much better off with the 24" and stock RAM. Photoshop will not run faster with twice the stock 128MB video RAM. Anything 2D doesn't really care about video ram including video. Motion does but not Final Cut Pro. That being said, it can't hurt to pay the extra $125 to double the RAM when thinking of resale value. :)You are correct sir or madam.
Note that the 3D engines are being used more and more by the GUI (Vista suggests at least 128 MiB dedicated or shared VRAM - even my Yonah laptop has 256 MiB (64 dedicated, rest shared)).

So, while Photoshop won't run faster with more VRAM - your overall experience may be better with the additional VRAM.

[~Shard~]

Considering that the cheapest price I can find on a 2 GB SODIMM is $729 USD, if you purchased one of those with a 1 GB SODIMM and added shipping and customs, you would still be hard pressed to break even by buying 3rd party RAM to configure a 3 GB iMac.

Hmm, good point, thanks for the insight on that - I don't keep up as much on RAM prices when I'm not in the market for some myself. ;) :cool:

[Reep]

My BTO 24" still says shipping on 15th and delivery by the 20th... with 2 day air.. lol

Anyone find their data adjusted to the good? :o

I just talked to an agent and my order is still the same. Scheduled shipping by the 15th, receipt on or before the 22nd--although she said it would likely be the 20th-21st.

[vansouza]

I just talked to an agent and my order is still the same. Scheduled shipping by the 15th, receipt on or before the 22nd--although she said it would likely be the 20th-21st.

Perhaps and sadly for us, Apple has gotten quite accurate in giving us ship and delivery dates... such is life... good luck to you with your dates... I should have mine in a week.. God willing... :D

[Doenertier]

Question...

I'm pretty torn between getting the 20" iMac and the 24" iMac. Price is definitely an issue for me...I've allowed myself roughly $2000 to spend...but the 24 is tempting me to spend a little more than that, which I think I will. But I don't think I have the money to max out the 24" with all the BTO options. So I think its between the 20" with 2gb ram and 256mb of video ram....or the 24" with 2gb ram and 128mb of video ram (the 7300 video card). Would it be worth it for me to get the 24" iMac even though I don't have the money to upgrade the video card? I do a little photoshop work and some Logic work...but nothing too video/graphic intensive. I play an occasional game of Warcraft every once in a while. Never play Doom or any first person shooter games like that. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks.

Go with the 24". Take the stock RAM but upgrade the video card. True, the VRAM doesn't add up to photoshop performance, but that's the graphics card is the hardest part to change for yourself compared to RAM or harddisk. In six months you upgrade your RAM. If you have to.

Now you guys conter with this MXM XMX thing about changing the g-card in an iMac. Go!

[wjordan]

My 20" imac is already having problems with the screen. Am going to have to send it back. Hope this is not an issue for others...

[Multimedia]

My 20" imac is already having problems with the screen. Am going to have to send it back. Hope this is not an issue for others...Please elaborate on the problem description. We all want to know the gory details.

[governor]

My 20" imac is already having problems with the screen. Am going to have to send it back. Hope this is not an issue for others...

I really hope that's ain't an common issue. I replaced my 2 week "old" 20 inch core duo and will recieve an core 2 duo instead within 2 days from now.

how does the problems appear and what do they look like?

[Eidorian]

My 20" imac is already having problems with the screen. Am going to have to send it back. Hope this is not an issue for others...What kind of problems? My 20" iMac has a perfect LCD!

[kadajawi]

In America you can get an excellent Dolby Digital DTS 500 Watt Amp for $200 or less - Pioneer - and a Passive 12" Subwoofer for $100. The other 5 speakers can be found for another $200 if you use smaller 2 or 3 way on sale at Fry's. Not top drawer, but very much better compared to the smaller size these Kliptch are. Sometimes Fry's even has the whole shebang on sale for $499 in one easy to setup package.
You can get such deals in Germany too, but I would barely call that excellent. $200 maybe is enough for a single decent speaker... (something like an entry level Nubert speaker).

Ps: I'm male.

[MacinDoc]

Hmm, good point, thanks for the insight on that - I don't keep up as much on RAM prices when I'm not in the market for some myself. ;) :cool:
Yeah, I don't usually do that either, but he RAM upgrade prices for the new iMacs were a lot less than I expected, so I checked it out, only to discover that, for once, RAM upgrades from the Apple Store were a good value. Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend for upgrades at the Apple Store...

[ac99]

I wonder if you can tell me if Leopard will run full speed on the iMac when it has a 64-bit cpu and a 32-bit motherboard?

I'd also like to know this, and also, how does the 32-bit motherboard affect the cpu? I've heard heaps of conflicting stories on whether this a true 64-bit setup or not.

Is it true that the only difference is the memory limitation of 4GB (or 3GB in the iMac)?

[ikdo]

I'd also like to know this, and also, how does the 32-bit motherboard affect the cpu? I've heard heaps of conflicting stories on whether this a true 64-bit setup or not.

Is it true that the only difference is the memory limitation of 4GB (or 3GB in the iMac)?


Maybe someone can run a test with the beta version of Leopard on their new iMac.

[penelopenb]

Can't wait for the new imacs, we have recieved the new 17" and 20" models and are running very well, great little updates, but no delivery on the 24" yet, should be in store early next week. Can't wait to get my hand on one.:)

[vansouza]

My iMac has shipped... I got the email from Apple... but the update center at Apple is down... should be here by Thursday... :D

[iKwick7]

Played with the 24" iMac yesterday at the Bridgewater, NJ store- and I am sold! Looks like I am selling my Macbook soon (should be in the marketplace within a week, if anyone is interested).

Anyways..... they are much cheaper on amazon- 1999, no shipping, no tax, when compared to a student apple discount of 1899 + tax, which equals about $2032. Amazon also has the rebate, which brings it down to $1849! Quite the difference , if you ask me.

So here is my question- ahas anyone bought a mac from amazon? How long does it take to get? What if there is something wrong with it- can I just bring it to an apple store?

[kadajawi]

Wait a second... the price in the US Apple Store is WITHOUT tax? :eek: Now I know why Macs seem to be so expensive in Europe.

[Reep]

I also just received noticed that my 24" shipped and is due on Friday. WOOOOO WOOOOOOO

[DavidLeblond]

They're busy in Shanghai today. My 20" is due Friday as well.

[Tall Steve]

Played with the 24" iMac yesterday at the Bridgewater, NJ store- and I am sold! Looks like I am selling my Macbook soon (should be in the marketplace within a week, if anyone is interested).

Anyways..... they are much cheaper on amazon- 1999, no shipping, no tax, when compared to a student apple discount of 1899 + tax, which equals about $2032. Amazon also has the rebate, which brings it down to $1849! Quite the difference , if you ask me.

So here is my question- ahas anyone bought a mac from amazon? How long does it take to get? What if there is something wrong with it- can I just bring it to an apple store?

I would like to know the answer to this as well.

Also can you change a bundle when buying from amazon, I would like the wireless keyboard and mouse option for $60.00

[iKwick7]

I would like to know the answer to this as well.

Also can you change a bundle when buying from amazon, I would like the wireless keyboard and mouse option for $60.00


Nope- amazon is only standard cofigs.


Also, the rebate ends today, but I would imagine there would be another one tomorrow.

[sas76]

I am just about sold on the 24. But I have one further question. Are they that much better then the previos model ? Forget the 24 inch screen. What about the rest ?

I am in Australia and would be spending around $3500 (aus)for a new 24,(2 gig ram 256 vid card) the standard 20 inch will cost about $2300. There are 20inch imac core duo's (previous model) on ebay and other places for $1200-$1500 and offical apple refurbished ones for under $2000.

I am sure I would notice the speed difference, but how much ? will the previous intel imacs be outdated sooner ?

I look foward to your responces.
cheers
Shane

[eXan]

I am just about sold on the 24. But I have one further question. Are they that much better then the previos model ? Forget the 24 inch screen. What about the rest ?

I am in Australia and would be spending around $3500 (aus)for a new 24,(2 gig ram 256 vid card) the standard 20 inch will cost about $2300. There are 20inch imac core duo's (previous model) on ebay and other places for $1200-$1500 and offical apple refurbished ones for under $2000.

I am sure I would notice the speed difference, but how much ? will the previous intel imacs be outdated sooner ?

I look foward to your responces.
cheers
Shane

The speed difference in CPU-intensive tasks will be no more than 10-20%. GPUs are relatively the same, unless you opt for 7600 on 24 :)

[minnesotamacman]

I bought my 24" iMac yesterday, and am typing on it now. When I compared the 24" to the 20" iMac, the screen was much brighter. I also compared the 24" to the 23" Cinema Display. The 24" again won out. Brighter, and whiter than the 23". I was very impressed. In addition, they were selling the wireless package for $59 more to get no cords on the mouse and keyboard. Well worth it to me.

This 24" is awesome. It seems much bigger than the 23" Cinema Display, even though it's not. The only problem I have at the moment is I need to get a new desk, or modify the one I have since the 24" unit won't sit in the cubby. Small price to pay for a beautiful machine.

[eXan]

The only problem I have at the moment is I need to get a new desk, or modify the one I have since the 24" unit won't sit in the cubby. Small price to pay for a beautiful machine.

Why do you need a bigger desk? The foot of the 24" iMac is just slightly bigger than 20" iMac's

[minnesotamacman]

Why do you need a bigger desk? The foot of the 24" iMac is just slightly bigger than 20" iMac's


It isn't the foot... It is the height at 20.6" I have a shelf above the computer area. So this won't fit in the recess.

[wjordan]

What kind of problems? My 20" iMac has a perfect LCD!


Well, the screen looks fine most of the time, but accassionally it flips out - for brief periods it goes a bit fuzzy and the white becomes blue. It then flickers between this and 'normal' for a minute or so before going back to how it should be.

On the first day it happened just once, today it's happening about once every 10 minutes. So, getting worse...

[iKwick7]

So anyone have anything to say about amazon.com shipping on iMacs? How long it takes and such? Amazon currently says an estimated shipment of November 17- is this accurate?

[heym]

What about the noise of the 24" iMac?
Is it noisier with 2.33 Ghz and the 7600GT?
:confused:

[JackieTreehorn]

Now let me post my new 24" iMac :D


http://i3.tinypic.com/40kgca1.jpg

Next to my 20" iMac

http://i8.tinypic.com/4bp7nmb.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/4hd4fhk.jpg
http://i2.tinypic.com/2hnykpj.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/34i0n76.jpg

[vansouza]

My iMac has shipped... I got the email from Apple... but the update center at Apple is down... should be here by Thursday... :D

The FedEx site has not been updated in days... what gives...

[Anonymous Freak]

Wait a second... the price in the US Apple Store is WITHOUT tax? :eek: Now I know why Macs seem to be so expensive in Europe.

Correct, the US Store prices (as listed,) are without tax. Sales tax is then added depending on where the purchaser lives. In the US, there is no federal sales tax (or VAT,) so each state, county, and city is free to set their own. For example, where I live in Oregon state, there is no tax at all. If the Apple Store says $1999, I pay $1999. In Santa Cruz, California, though, you have California state sales tax of 7.25%, a county sales tax that adds another 0.75%, and a city sales tax that adds another 0.25%, for a total 8.25%. (Which, in a quick search, appears to be the highest 'general' sales tax in the U.S. Some states, counties, or cities have higher taxes on specific items like lodging, alcohol, or other items; but 8.25% appears to be the highest tax that applies to all items in general.)

[Reep]

The FedEx site has not been updated in days... what gives...

Mine was updated some time today as touching ground in Alaska. I don't know if ours were on the same flight. I didn't pay for express shipping, so maybe mine when by ground of the the Aleutian Peninsula.

[iKwick7]

For example, where I live in Oregon state, there is no tax at all.

Why you gotta be like that? :)

Stupid New Jersey recent tax hike up to 7%.

[Deputy-Dawg]

Correct, the US Store prices (as listed,) are without tax. Sales tax is then added depending on where the purchaser lives. In the US, there is no federal sales tax (or VAT,) so each state, county, and city is free to set their own. For example, where I live in Oregon state, there is no tax at all. If the Apple Store says $1999, I pay $1999. In Santa Cruz, California, though, you have California state sales tax of 7.25%, a county sales tax that adds another 0.75%, and a city sales tax that adds another 0.25%, for a total 8.25%. (Which, in a quick search, appears to be the highest 'general' sales tax in the U.S. Some states, counties, or cities have higher taxes on specific items like lodging, alcohol, or other items; but 8.25% appears to be the highest tax that applies to all items in general.)

Hmmmmm, Shall we have a sales tax rate race (or is that a rat race)? In any event in Fayetteville, Washington County, AR; Rogers, Benton County, AR and Bentonville, Benton County, AR the general sales tax rate is 9% and there may be some communities were it is even higher.

[Eastend]

Went down to the Apple Store and picked up a 20 in iMac, took them 40 minutes to put in another 1 GB of memory. They had no 500 GB disk so I settled for the 250, it was a Western Digital drive. Typing on the new machine now, almost as fast as my G5 Dual machine, now it has to last 3 or 4 years. Tested most of my applications and they all work just fine.

Brian

[Schado]

I tried to fight the urge, really I did, but the temptation got the better of me. Ordered a new 24" iMac loaded to the gills last night. Scheduled to ship on 19th. After reading some posts in the gaming section, folks saying it plays WoW just fine. I figured Oh well, if something new comes out in a few months can give this to my 6 year old son ;)

~Schado~
15" PB, Blue G4 tower, 17" G4 PB

[cardjoseph]

A few days ago, I ordered a new 24" iMac for my wife. It will be her first Apple computer, and its for her surprise birthday present and I am pretty excited about it. I also got her a new iPod to use as well (her first iPod as well too)!

Right now, I use a PB 15" that was the last in the PB line before Intel (this PB just happens to be my first Apple). So our household is almost finished with its transition from CRAP (otherwise known as DELL) to Apple. In a few years, I will look forward to a new Macbook Pro.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new iMac. I tried to see one in a Apple Store, but the two closest Apple stores did not have any 24" in store for display or for sale.

Got notice that the iPod should be arriving by Tuesday and the 24" iMac by Wednesday of next week. Should be two great presents to give.

[HecubusPro]

A few days ago, I ordered a new 24" iMac for my wife. It will be her first Apple computer, and its for her surprise birthday present and I am pretty excited about it. I also got her a new iPod to use as well (her first iPod as well too)!

Right now, I use a PB 15" that was the last in the PB line before Intel (this PB just happens to be my first Apple). So our household is almost finished with its transition from CRAP (otherwise known as DELL) to Apple. In a few years, I will look forward to a new Macbook Pro.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new iMac. I tried to see one in a Apple Store, but the two closest Apple stores did not have any 24" in store for display or for sale.

Got notice that the iPod should be arriving by Tuesday and the 24" iMac by Wednesday of next week. Should be two great presents to give.

During my lunch break here in Los Angeles about an hour ago, I stopped into the local Apple store on the mall in Century City. I got my first taste of the 24" iMac, and that is one fine computer you're getting there. The screen is nice and big--you don't really realize how large 24" is until it's staring you in the face. I watched The Fountain trailer on it fullscreen and in 720p. Whoa! It mighty nice. Congrats on your new computer. I say yours, because I think you're going to be fighting with your wife to spend time on it. :)

[johnmcboston]

Now let me post my new 24" iMac :D

Is it me or is the bottom of the compute ra lot higher off the desk than your 20". That seems odd. (unless it's a stability thing)

[puckhead193]

thought i would add saying i ordered my 20" iMac fully loaded today... can't wait for it to come!!!!!
would love a mac pro but $6,000 is expensive for what i need now...

[zerolight]

Is it me or is the bottom of the compute ra lot higher off the desk than your 20". That seems odd. (unless it's a stability thing)

I'm guessing not.

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/8352/751/store.apple.com/Catalog/uk/Images/im_step1_hero_060906.jpg

[iKwick7]

Anyone have experience purchasing from Macmall? I don't mind any delay buying from Amazon, if there is any, so long as I get that discount/free shipping/no tax. :)

Macmall, however, is pretty much the same price- and, like Apple, I can get a printer for free (after rebate). Does anyone know if they add tax online (it would be shipping to New Jersey)? And what are they like?

[pastimes]

from the HARDMAC website:
"Bootcamp is currently incompatible with the new iMac Core2Duo 24'', Thomas told us from Germany. This incompatibility can be related to that met by the MacPro owners who have tried to plug it to a 23'' display. During Windows' installation, the unsupported display remains desperately black.
For sure, Apple should solve this quickly... For sure? Well, maybe not indeed. People who have ordered a 24'' iMac last week just got an email warning them that delivery - which was to be completed within 5 days - would suffer a 3 weeks delay. The longer the better, they say..."

anybody have this problem yet?

Elliot--waiting for delivery on the imac24.

[fall3n]

from the HARDMAC website:
"Bootcamp is currently incompatible with the new iMac Core2Duo 24'', Thomas told us from Germany. This incompatibility can be related to that met by the MacPro owners who have tried to plug it to a 23'' display. During Windows' installation, the unsupported display remains desperately black.
For sure, Apple should solve this quickly... For sure? Well, maybe not indeed. People who have ordered a 24'' iMac last week just got an email warning them that delivery - which was to be completed within 5 days - would suffer a 3 weeks delay. The longer the better, they say..."

anybody have this problem yet?

Elliot--waiting for delivery on the imac24.

bummer, hope they fix that soon. mine scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

[unemployed]

I was visiting the iMac 24 inch at the apple store this weekend and noticed that it seemd to give me a headache staring at the screen (my wife had the same issue) Well long story short, I had already ordered a 24inch iMac online before this revelation (it shipped today.) Before I refuse the package at the door and ship it back (which I do not want to do) I wanna see if anyone who actually has one has any issues? Or could it just be the lighting at the apple store??



During my lunch break here in Los Angeles about an hour ago, I stopped into the local Apple store on the mall in Century City. I got my first taste of the 24" iMac, and that is one fine computer you're getting there. The screen is nice and big--you don't really realize how large 24" is until it's staring you in the face. I watched The Fountain trailer on it fullscreen and in 720p. Whoa! It mighty nice. Congrats on your new computer. I say yours, because I think you're going to be fighting with your wife to spend time on it. :)

[Renko31]

I was visiting the iMac 24 inch at the apple store this weekend and noticed that it seemd to give me a headache staring at the screen (my wife had the same issue) Well long story short, I had already ordered a 24inch iMac online before this revelation (it shipped today.) Before I refuse the package at the door and ship it back (which I do not want to do) I wanna see if anyone who actually has one has any issues? Or could it just be the lighting at the apple store??

I found the same thing with my G5 iMac (Rev. B). It's because the screen is sooo bright! I just reduce the brightness and everything is fine. You may want to increase the brightness if watching movies, but for most stuff a reduced brightness is fine (and it saves your screen a bit too).

Renko

[cardjoseph]

I was visiting the iMac 24 inch at the apple store this weekend and noticed that it seemd to give me a headache staring at the screen (my wife had the same issue) Well long story short, I had already ordered a 24inch iMac online before this revelation (it shipped today.) Before I refuse the package at the door and ship it back (which I do not want to do) I wanna see if anyone who actually has one has any issues? Or could it just be the lighting at the apple store??

We just got the new 24" iMac in our home and it is working out great. The brightness takes some initial adjusting, atleast for my eyes. But after getting use to the immensity of the screen, i have no problems with it.

I had some initial reservations about the 24" before I purchased it online since I could not find a local Apple store that had one for display. But I am glad I got the bigger screen. Looks great, not very heavy, and fun to use. My wife is getting a kick out of new iMac. It's her first Apple and her birthday present, and she's really enjoying it compared to her old Dell Inspiron notebook.

[pastimes]

just got my new 24 incher.
anyone else notice it running hot on the top rear of the unit?
also, discs come out very hot.
is it just mine or is this normal?

[Allotriophagy]

just got my new 24 incher.
anyone else notice it running hot on the top rear of the unit?
also, discs come out very hot.
is it just mine or is this normal?

That happened on my G5 iMac too. Discs come out of my PowerBook very hot too.

I don't worry about it. The inside of the machine is warm, the disc is spinning at high speeds...

[PCMacUser]

We just got the new 24" iMac in our home and it is working out great. The brightness takes some initial adjusting, atleast for my eyes. But after getting use to the immensity of the screen, i have no problems with it.

I had some initial reservations about the 24" before I purchased it online since I could not find a local Apple store that had one for display. But I am glad I got the bigger screen. Looks great, not very heavy, and fun to use. My wife is getting a kick out of new iMac. It's her first Apple and her birthday present, and she's really enjoying it compared to her old Dell Inspiron notebook.
It sounds like you've had a good experience. Do you know if the display's brightness is adjustable? I've also been unable to find a 24" iMac on display in a shop but am seriously considering purchasing one. The only difference between us is that the iMac would be for me. My wife would get the iBook :D

[MacinDoc]

It sounds like you've had a good experience. Do you know if the display's brightness is adjustable? I've also been unable to find a 24" iMac on display in a shop but am seriously considering purchasing one. The only difference between us is that the iMac would be for me. My wife would get the iBook :D
Yes, screen brightness is adjustable via a control panel that can also be added to the menu bar.

[drjay128]

Went down to the Apple Store and picked up a 20 in iMac, took them 40 minutes to put in another 1 GB of memory. They had no 500 GB disk so I settled for the 250, it was a Western Digital drive. Typing on the new machine now, almost as fast as my G5 Dual machine, now it has to last 3 or 4 years. Tested most of my applications and they all work just fine.

Brian

Hi Brian,

I'm close to buying a 20" iMac for the family (currently using a 5-year old Dell desktop); seems like a better buy than the 24", which is very nice. I was surprised by your comment that the new iMac was "almost a fast as [your] G5 Dual machine". Is the G5 the last generation before introduction of the Intel chips? Is it faster because you're running old applications that haven't been optimized yet for the Intel chips (i.e., running through Rosetta)?

Just surprised to hear that the new machine, even after recent chipset upgrade, is not as fast as the older one.

Thanks
Jay

[Eidorian]

Hi Brian,

I'm close to buying a 20" iMac for the family (currently using a 5-year old Dell desktop); seems like a better buy than the 24", which is very nice. I was surprised by your comment that the new iMac was "almost a fast as [your] G5 Dual machine". Is the G5 the last generation before introduction of the Intel chips? Is it faster because you're running old applications that haven't been optimized yet for the Intel chips (i.e., running through Rosetta)?

Just surprised to hear that the new machine, even after recent chipset upgrade, is not as fast as the older one.

Thanks
JayPowerPC to Intel code? What is this alchemy? Running a PowerPC application via Rosetta is going to be slower then natively on a Power Mac G5 Quad.

[Eastend]

Hi Brian,

I'm close to buying a 20" iMac for the family (currently using a 5-year old Dell desktop); seems like a better buy than the 24", which is very nice. I was surprised by your comment that the new iMac was "almost a fast as [your] G5 Dual machine". Is the G5 the last generation before introduction of the Intel chips? Is it faster because you're running old applications that haven't been optimized yet for the Intel chips (i.e., running through Rosetta)?

Just surprised to hear that the new machine, even after recent chipset upgrade, is not as fast as the older one.

Thanks
Jay
Maybe I confused you? My other Machine is a G5 Dual 2.5 GHz Powermac. My benchmarks on that machine is 120. The Benchmark for my new 20 inch iMac is 127. The G5 I bought in 2004 September and it cost twice what the iMac cost, at the time the G5 was top of the line. I am very pleased with both computers.

Brian

[setek]

But for anyone that cares, I've -finally- gotten around to posting my iMac pictures on my website :)

http://www.onegaishimasu.info/

[eXan]

But for anyone that cares, I've -finally- gotten around to posting my iMac pictures on my website :)

http://www.onegaishimasu.info/

I love your site :)

[setek]

I love your site :)

Thanks!

I'm doing CSS Zen Garden styles (can you tell I'm a CSS-P Web Developer? :D) and having multiple stylesheets linking to one xHTML page - hey presto, different layout :)

[dcv]

Thanks!

I'm doing CSS Zen Garden styles (can you tell I'm a CSS-P Web Developer? :D) and having multiple stylesheets linking to one xHTML page - hey presto, different layout :)

I had a look earlier and thought it was very pretty too :)

[paulsecic]

This is somewhat OT, but how do you protect yourself when selling a Mac over Craigslist? I assume most deals are done face to face? I don't want to take what might be a bad check or forged money order, nor do I want someone to show up with a wad of cash, then have someone mug me as I leave. So how is the money handled?
Forget Cragslist got burned for $2699.00.

[generik]

But for anyone that cares, I've -finally- gotten around to posting my iMac pictures on my website :)

http://www.onegaishimasu.info/

The scrollbars really ruin the beauty :(

[youyou]

Is it just me or does the Imac seem to be more 4x3 then 16x9...
The computer seems to be more squarish then widescreen... Compared to the 23" or 30" Cinema display it really looks squarish... The cinema displays look alot more widescreen then the Imac.

[puckhead193]

can someone point me in the right direction, i feel my imac is slow so i want to benchmark it but don't know where to begin. Also is their a thread that posted the benchmarks that people have gotten
Thanks

[scamit]

Im looking to purchase an Imac by tomorrow since MacConnections $100 rebate offer ends tomorrow. I have been holdong off on the purchase thinking a completely new redesigned Imac will be released near the holiday season, and was wondering, how likely are the chances of that happening? I am a Windows user and this will be my first Mac, so I dont want to purchase the Imac and then couple of months down the road Apple releases a redesigned Imac. What are the typical life cycles of the Imac? Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

[scamit]

can someone point me in the right direction, i feel my imac is slow so i want to benchmark it but don't know where to begin. Also is their a thread that posted the benchmarks that people have gotten
Thanks

You can try a little program called Xbench, I dont know how reliable it is, but give it a try at www.xbench.com

[puckhead193]

You can try a little program called Xbench, I dont know how reliable it is, but give it a try at www.xbench.com
i ran xbench came back with these results (download PDF to view)
Can someone explain what all this means... is my computer normal.. :confused: :o

[MacinDoc]

Im looking to purchase an Imac by tomorrow since MacConnections $100 rebate offer ends tomorrow. I have been holdong off on the purchase thinking a completely new redesigned Imac will be released near the holiday season, and was wondering, how likely are the chances of that happening? I am a Windows user and this will be my first Mac, so I dont want to purchase the Imac and then couple of months down the road Apple releases a redesigned Imac. What are the typical life cycles of the Imac? Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks a lot!
The iMac product line was just refreshed, and there is nothing imminent on the horizon, so go ahead and buy that iMac today. It has the latest Core2 Duo from Intel, and I don't think that Penryn, the next portable chip from Intel, is due out until 2007.

But no matter when you buy, it will always be superceded by something newer in the next few months. Now that Macs are on Intel processors, this will apply to them as much as it previously did to any other computer.

[kalisphoenix]

i ran xbench came back with these results (download PDF to view)
Can someone explain what all this means... is my computer normal.. :confused: :o

Unless I'm greatly mistaken, a 110+ is insanely good.

[ViveLeLivre]

Unless I'm greatly mistaken, a 110+ is insanely good.

116.58 for a 2.16 24" iMac is the highest iMac score listed on the xbench comparison site. So yeah, not bad. :)

Edit: Link (http://db.xbench.com/csi.xhtml?machineTypeID=14)

[puckhead193]

116.58 for a 2.16 24" iMac is the highest iMac score listed on the xbench comparison site. So yeah, not bad. :)

Edit: Link (http://db.xbench.com/csi.xhtml?machineTypeID=14)
shouldn't it be higher cause i have the 2.33 GHz processor, 3 gigs of ram 256 video etc

[CrEsTo]

116.58 for a 2.16 24" iMac is the highest iMac score listed on the xbench comparison site. So yeah, not bad. :)

Edit: Link (http://db.xbench.com/csi.xhtml?machineTypeID=14)

This is my iMac 24" 2.16 with 2GB RAM.

http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=190609

[ViveLeLivre]

shouldn't it be higher cause i have the 2.33 GHz processor, 3 gigs of ram 256 video etc

Possibly? From what I've read, there's not a huge increase in speed between 2.16 and 2.33 ghz. You might try running it running it multiple times or fresh after a reboot to see if you get a better score.

What about the problems you were having with your iMac? Have those been resolved?

[scamit]

Thanks for the reply. As long as a new Imac does not appear this holiday season, Im ok with that. I know sometime next year, they will probably redisign the Imac but for now, I think i will purchase it tomorrow.




The iMac product line was just refreshed, and there is nothing imminent on the horizon, so go ahead and buy that iMac today. It has the latest Core2 Duo from Intel, and I don't think that Penryn, the next portable chip from Intel, is due out until 2007.

But no matter when you buy, it will always be superceded by something newer in the next few months. Now that Macs are on Intel processors, this will apply to them as much as it previously did to any other computer.

[imacintel]

*next* Tuesday ;)

Merom in the iMacIntel does leave a space in the lineup for the Conroe Mini-Tower.
I don't have a merom..

[puckhead193]

Possibly? From what I've read, there's not a huge increase in speed between 2.16 and 2.33 ghz. You might try running it running it multiple times or fresh after a reboot to see if you get a better score.

What about the problems you were having with your iMac? Have those been resolved?
i'll give it a whorl before i go to sleep, its seems better, the only thing now is that i keep on getting kicked of adium when i put my screen saver on. (I set it up so that when i move it to a hot corner it goes on and you need a password to log back in, i live at the dorms at school) and when i return i'm kicked off. I don't know if its the computer or the school's connection. I never had an issue with my powerbook.

[Eastend]

116.58 for a 2.16 24" iMac is the highest iMac score listed on the xbench comparison site. So yeah, not bad. :)

Edit: Link (http://db.xbench.com/csi.xhtml?machineTypeID=14)

Here's my 2.16 GHz 20 inch benchmark.

Brian

[gotohamish]

Is it just me or does the Imac seem to be more 4x3 then 16x9...
The computer seems to be more squarish then widescreen... Compared to the 23" or 30" Cinema display it really looks squarish... The cinema displays look alot more widescreen then the Imac.

It's just you. ;)

The iMac and Cinema Displays are 16:10.

[nospamboz]

I'm in Perth, Australia, a bit far from everything, but, at over a million
people, not exactly the outback. I ordered a 17-in, 2.16 GHz C2D,
2 GB RAM, 500 GB HD the day after the C2D iMacs were announced,
i.e. on 8 Sep 2006 (here in Australia). I ordered it from a local AppleCentre,
and paid a A$200 deposit on the nearly A$3000 purchase. I chose the
AppleCentre rather than ordering direct from the online Apple store in
order to establish a working relationship with the local store, who is
also the local Apple service location, this being my first Apple computer.

On the day I ordered the iMac, I checked the Australian online Apple
store for an estimated delivery time for my configuration. That day
(Friday) it said "10 to 15 business days", but the following Monday it
changed to 5-7 days. A week later, on a Monday, I emailed the
AppleCentre to ask on an estimated delivery date, but received no reply.
That Friday, 22 Sep, two weeks after my order, I went to the store to
inquire in person, but they couldn't give me an answer. They told
me to call back the following week to get an estimate.

Instead, I waited an additional week and more. Today (4 Oct), nearly
a month since my order, I checked the online Apple store, and the
delivery time for my configuration is now down to 2-4 business days.
I then called the AppleCentre. Not only is my iMac not there, but they
*still* can't estimate on when it will arrive! They said it sometimes
takes four-to-five *weeks* for a built-to-order system to be delivered.
I mentioned the 2-4 days on the Apple online store, and they said
Apple were lying. Again, they suggested I call next week in order to
get an estimated delivery date.

I must say, this first Apple experience is not exactly encouraging. Are
there any other Apple purchasers out there who have had to wait so
long for their system?

[setek]

I'm in Perth, Australia, a bit far from everything, but, at over a million
people, not exactly the outback. I ordered a 17-in, 2.16 GHz C2D,
2 GB RAM, 500 GB HD the day after the C2D iMacs were announced,
i.e. on 8 Sep 2006 (here in Australia). I ordered it from a local AppleCentre,
and paid a A$200 deposit on the nearly A$3000 purchase. I chose the
AppleCentre rather than ordering direct from the online Apple store in
order to establish a working relationship with the local store, who is
also the local Apple service location, this being my first Apple computer.

On the day I ordered the iMac, I checked the Australian online Apple
store for an estimated delivery time for my configuration. That day
(Friday) it said "10 to 15 business days", but the following Monday it
changed to 5-7 days. A week later, on a Monday, I emailed the
AppleCentre to ask on an estimated delivery date, but received no reply.
That Friday, 22 Sep, two weeks after my order, I went to the store to
inquire in person, but they couldn't give me an answer. They told
me to call back the following week to get an estimate.

Instead, I waited an additional week and more. Today (4 Oct), nearly
a month since my order, I checked the online Apple store, and the
delivery time for my configuration is now down to 2-4 business days.
I then called the AppleCentre. Not only is my iMac not there, but they
*still* can't estimate on when it will arrive! They said it sometimes
takes four-to-five *weeks* for a built-to-order system to be delivered.
I mentioned the 2-4 days on the Apple online store, and they said
Apple were lying. Again, they suggested I call next week in order to
get an estimated delivery date.

I must say, this first Apple experience is not exactly encouraging. Are
there any other Apple purchasers out there who have had to wait so
long for their system?

I ordered direct from the online Apple Store (I'm also from Perth, and I had issues with the incompetence of Apple reseller David Jones in the past,) and they said they'd ship on the 12th of September (5 business days post-purchase,) to arrive by the 15th.

It was delivered on the 13th of September :)

So I doubt this is a locality issue... I would call them and sound annoyed (you probably are,) find out why they're being incompetent, and then don't recommend them to anybody else.

I would've gone to DigiLife :)

[governor]

This is my iMac 24" 2.16 with 2GB RAM.

http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=190609

That's a quite poor result. Is it the bigger display, sucking up all that juice?

This is my standard 20" 2.16Ghz core 2 duo 128mb gpu with 1 GB ram.

http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=190513

[holycat]

I'm in Perth, Australia, a bit far from everything, but, at over a million
people, not exactly the outback. I ordered a 17-in, 2.16 GHz C2D,
2 GB RAM, 500 GB HD the day after the C2D iMacs were announced,
i.e. on 8 Sep 2006 (here in Australia). I ordered it from a local AppleCentre,
and paid a A$200 deposit on the nearly A$3000 purchase. I chose the
AppleCentre rather than ordering direct from the online Apple store in
order to establish a working relationship with the local store, who is
also the local Apple service location, this being my first Apple computer.

On the day I ordered the iMac, I checked the Australian online Apple
store for an estimated delivery time for my configuration. That day
(Friday) it said "10 to 15 business days", but the following Monday it
changed to 5-7 days. A week later, on a Monday, I emailed the
AppleCentre to ask on an estimated delivery date, but received no reply.
That Friday, 22 Sep, two weeks after my order, I went to the store to
inquire in person, but they couldn't give me an answer. They told
me to call back the following week to get an estimate.

Instead, I waited an additional week and more. Today (4 Oct), nearly
a month since my order, I checked the online Apple store, and the
delivery time for my configuration is now down to 2-4 business days.
I then called the AppleCentre. Not only is my iMac not there, but they
*still* can't estimate on when it will arrive! They said it sometimes
takes four-to-five *weeks* for a built-to-order system to be delivered.
I mentioned the 2-4 days on the Apple online store, and they said
Apple were lying. Again, they suggested I call next week in order to
get an estimated delivery date.

I must say, this first Apple experience is not exactly encouraging. Are
there any other Apple purchasers out there who have had to wait so
long for their system?

same situation in Malaysia here :mad:
i ordered it since the 1st day it released!
but luckily they promised me that...i will get it this weekend..
the reason they gave me is that...asia is just a small market for iMac..i mean very very few ppl using Mac in asia..so apple delayed the shipping time..give priority to US and euro

[Anonymous Freak]

Is it just me or does the Imac seem to be more 4x3 then 16x9...
The computer seems to be more squarish then widescreen... Compared to the 23" or 30" Cinema display it really looks squarish... The cinema displays look alot more widescreen then the Imac.

The screen itself is 16:10, the same as all other Apple widescreens (other than the oddball 15" PowerBooks, which were 3:2.)

The computer appears less-than-wide because of the 'chin' beneath the screen. A quick measuring (based on photos on Apple's website of 'head-on' views,) shows the 24" iMac CASE having an aspect ratio of 1.23:1, and the 30" Cinema Display CASE having an aspect ratio of 1.5:1. So yes, the case of the iMac is 'less wide' by ratio than a Cinema Display. But rest assured, the screen you're looking at is the same ratio. (For example, the 24" iMac is 1920x1200, the same as the 23" Cinema Display, but the iMac is 22.6" wide by 20.6" tall, vs. the Cinema Display's 21.1" wide by 17.7" tall.)

[nospamboz]

Holycat, what you said about Asia being a low priority for Apple....

I'm assuming that like me you ordered a built-to-order machine.
Apple's priority system seemed arbitrary to me until I remembered
that all built-to-order machines are done in China, where all the
standard/off-the-rack machines are also made. Apple must have
some kind of special deal regarding shipping, probably some kind
of threshold count that needs to be exceeded to make it profitable
to ship to a destination. If that's the case, then for destinations
with small markets, it could be a long time between shipments.
Maybe your store in Malaysia has heard that the ship is on the way,
while mine in Australia hasn't.

Australia being a small market would probably also explain why there
was no educational "Buy a Mac, get a free iPod" program here, as there
was in the USA and UK.

Setek in Perth, your iMac arrived on 13 Sep....

Was your iMac a standard configuration? I do recall that the initial
shipping time for the standard iMacs on the Australian online store
was about 5 days, which would fit with your initial shipping date
estimate of 12 Sep, 5 days after 7 Sep, the day they became available
in Australia. A standard configuration, already in Australia, would not be
subject to any shipping delay from China, required for the built-to-order
machines. That might explain your experience.

I still can't figure out, though, why the online store now shows 2-4 days
for the shipping date for my built-to-order configuration. Does that mean
that iMacs with my configuration are sitting in an Australian warehouse,
waiting to be ordered? If so, am I not getting one of those because mine
is earmarked to be shipped from China on the next ship? That would be
frustrating. I think I have to make another in-person trip to the AppleCentre
store.

By the way, the AppleCentre in question *is* Digilife, the Carillion Arcade
shop. I picked Digilife over NextByte because they were favourably
described on the whirlpool.net.au forums. They were as surprised as
everyone else when the new iMacs were announced, and when I was
last there two weeks afterward, they still didn't have any new iMacs in
stock. I put it down to "tyranny of distance" then. After your experience,
though, now I wonder. As I said, off to the shop.