Apple Releases Core 2 Duo iMac, Adds 24" Model

[MacRumors]

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While keeping the 17 & 20 inch form factors, Apple has released a new big brother to the iMac lineup. The new machine features a 24 inch widescreen in the familiar all-in-the-screen form factor. Under the hood all of the iMacs now feature the newly released Intel Core 2 Duo with speeds from 1.83 GHz to 2.33 GHz, making it up to 50% faster than the previous 20" iMac. The new machines are available in the following standard configurations:

17 inch 1.83GHz
$999 US
1440x900 resolution
2MB L2 Cache
512MB RAM
160GB SATA HD
24x Combo Drive
Intel GMA950 64MB
Airport Extreme

17 inch 2.0GHz
$1199
1440x900 resolution
4MB L2 Cache
1GB RAM
160GB SATA HD
8x Double Layer Superdrive
ATI Radeon x1600 128MB
Airport Extreme & Bluetooth
Apple Remote

20 inch 2.16GHz
1680x1050 resolution
4MB L2 Cache
1GB RAM
250GB SATA HD
8x Double Layer Superdrive
ATI X1600 128MB
Airport Extreme & Bluetooth
Apple Remote

24 inch 2.16GHz
1920x1200 resolution
4MB L2 Cache
1GB RAM
250GB SATA HD
8x Double Layer Superdrive
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 128MB
Airport Extreme & Bluetooth
Apple Remote

[Manic Mouse]

May I be the first to say: Where's our desktop?

[Chimera]

Great product from Apple, and the rumors got it wrong with release date and screen size.

[Fotek2001]

One less thing for next week!

[liketom]

wooohoo first!
but not the last :D this is a great update - a bit of a balls up on the stores mind but good still :)

now where are them iPods ?:rolleyes:

[paradillon]

firewire 800 also. nice :)

[RitchieDeMan]

Wow 24". Where's my credit card :D

[AidenShaw]

May I be the first to say: Where's our desktop?
*next* Tuesday ;)

Merom in the iMacIntel does leave a space in the lineup for the Conroe Mini-Tower.

[freebooter]

I for one am going to buy one of the new iMacs. 24" screen--Jesuuussss!!! I think that's the one. :cool:
f.w. 800, too?

[idea_hamster]

Hmmm... positive, but looking for a MacBook bump...

[mi5moav]

Apple is hitting hard. Jeez, I am gonna buy some more stock. I do wish they had the imac in black but I don't care will just get out the spray can. AWESOME!!!!!

[amacgenius]

I'm so glad I'm in Microcomputer Apps right now and have access to the internet, I just glanced at these specs and OMG they're pretty amazing, 24 inches instead of the 23 inch wow just wow.

I can't wait to walk into an Apple store and check these things out, that 24 inch screen has to be amazing!

[MacsRgr8]

I assume the Merom is inside?

But these babies are gr8 value!

Luckily you don't have to choose for the 7300... you can get the better 7600 inside. Not brilliant, but it's better.

[atari1356]

wooohoo first!

You don't win any prizes for that... :rolleyes:

New iMac looks nice. 24"? never would have guessed it

at the $1999 price though, the $2499 Mac Pro starts to look attractive (or the downgraded to 2Ghz Mac Pro which is $2199)...

EDIT: then again, I don't have a big screen at home, so the 24" iMac would be a huge upgrade in both screen and computing power

[crap freakboy]

wooohoo first!

er great...anyhoos...if I had the cash I'd get the 20".
Shame you can't upgrade to the GT on the 20".
Beats this aging Sawtooth anyday.

[SodaPopMonster]

Nice! The rumor was wrong in a good way, heh.

[p0intblank]

Wow!!! :eek: I definitely did not see this coming on a Wednesday. I'm heading to Apple's site right now to check it all out. Go, Apple!

And $999? Holy...

Edit: Haha, I'm just laughing with excitement over here. I love Apple! :D I'm probably not getting one, but this is so sweet. I definitely can't wait to try it out in an Apple Store.

[davidChief]

Interesting... I heard that several new Apple products could be given "unexpected" launches... i.e. without a keynote performance by Steve.

[Piarco]

Wow.... able to upgrade the graphics from a 128MB 7300GT to a 256MB 7600GT? That was even less expected!:eek:

[asterizk]

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A new 24-inch iMac with a brilliant 24-inch widescreen display joins the 17- and 20-inch models, and iMac prices now start at just $999</p>

In case you guys were wondering (I had to search around a little), the res on the 24"er is 1900x1200.

[John Jacob]

Conroe or Merom? I can't find that on the Apple webpage... :confused:

EDIT: And the 24-incher still has the chin... I was hoping for a sleeker chinless model (not that I am buying one anyways - can't afford it right now) :(

[elmimmo]

Besides, no more Intel Core Solo in Mac Mini.

[JRM PowerPod]

Dude that thing is like dude, like dude dude

[AidenShaw]

firewire 800 also. nice :)
Why 1394b at 800 Mbps when eSATA at 3000 Mbps is available?

Apple missed the boat on the external storage front here.... It had a chance to be a leader, but instead is still pushing 1394.

[dallardyce]

I ordered a 20" iMac a couple of weeks ago, but it hadn't been dispatched yet (in fact, it was due to be dispatched today). The Apple order status site was down earlier, until just after the Apple Store came back up with the new iMacs, and lo and behold, my order has been replaced with a 20" iMac Core 2 Duo!

They've even upgraded the RAM to 2GB (I'd paid for an upgrade to 1GB on the original order), and dropped the price I pay!

So top marks to Apple - a brand new iMac, specced higher than the original, for £80 less! I don't know many other manufacturers that would do this - it's the kind of service that keeps Apple customers loyal.

The only downside is, I was expecting it to be delivered on Friday but now I have to wait until the 19th! But really, I don't mind!

[Le Big Mac]

And $999? Holy...

Wow! That's great value. Although it looks like the edu-iMac (no bluetooth or superdrive or remote). But at least it's available for those without more money to spend.

As for the spread between 24" and MacPro . . . good that they're reducing the gap. Give people more options!

[amin]

I've been waiting for this! Just placed my order :) .

[AidenShaw]

In case you guys were wondering (I had to search around a little), the res on the 24"er is 1900x1200.
1920 x 1200 - so it's 1080i/p compatible....

[Multimedia]

New iMacs released :

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore

Couldnt see it mentioned anywhereYes it's on ours too. (http://www.apple.com/imac/) How come not on the cover of MacRumors!! 24" $1999 2.16GHz Standard with 2.33GHz option for $250 more.

NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 128MB SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB SDRAM Add $125 NOT DUAL DVI - 1920 x 1200 Max Digital External Support - IE Dual 24" Displays. Analog res support up to 2048 x 1536

"The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games. Upgrade to the NVIDIA 7600 GT with 256MB of video memory if you need additional performance in 3D and graphics-intensive applications such as multiplayer gaming or 3D animation development.

Your iMac also offers built-in support for attaching an external monitor using either of two modes. Extended Desktop mode allows you to work on two monitors at once for increased desktop real-estate (and increased productivity). Video mirroring is useful when presenting, so you can see the same image on a projector that you're seeing on your Apple display."

Supports 2GB Sticks of RAM. Offer one for +$750 - total of 3GB RAM probably could have 4. 667 DDR2 SDRAM. Base is 2 x 512 for 1GB included.

Congratulations on scooping MacRumors phatspider. :D

So loaded with 2.33GHz and 256MB Graphics is only $2374. Not bad. Plus third party RAM.

Maybe the big story here is that a base 1.83GHz with only 2MB L2 cache 17" model with a Combo drive, 512MB ram, Intel GMA 950 64MB IG is only $999. Now that's exciting. BUT for ony $200 more - $1199 - you get Superdrive, 1GB RAM, 2GHz w/4MB L2 cache, ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory, Bluetooth2.0, Apple Remote. That's a lot mroe stuff for only $200 more so they are making the $999 model very unattractive and low volume seller.

Ironically, the ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory that supports rotation on an external Dell monitor is not available on the 24" model. NVIDIA does not support Dell Rotation. So if you want to be able to rotate a Dell 24" monitor, you will have to buy the 20" iMac. Now that's crazy!

On sale, Dell 24" Monitors are only about $700. So for $2200 you can have a 20" iMac paired with a 24" External Rotatable Dell.

[Chundles]

24" model introduced
All have Merom processors, 1.83GHz uses 2MB cache version
24" model has FW 800
All iMacs with dedicated graphics have 1GB (2x512MB) RAM standard
All iMacs with dedicated graphics can be configured to 2GB (2x1GB) or 3GB (1x2GB + 1x1GB) RAM
24" iMac has GeForce 7300GT with 128MB RAM standard
24" iMac can be configured with GeForce 7600GT with 256MB RAM
17" 2.0GHz and 20" iMac have 128MB X1600, 20" can be configured to 256MB X1600
1.83GHz model has Combo Drive, no bluetooth or remote and has GMA950
20" iMac can be configured to 2.33GHz
24" iMac can be configured to 2.33GHz

[Manic Mouse]

*next* Tuesday ;)

Merom in the iMacIntel does leave a space in the lineup for the Conroe Mini-Tower.

When they come out and we both buy one, can we have a little MacRumours party topic? We can dance all night long! ;)

I would be so happy!

[Diavilo1]

very nice addition for sure. Wish i could see one right now! Only thing is, it still has the chin, i'm not complaining, just noticing.

[ImNoSuperMan]

Great news. But where are the Merom MBPs:confused: :confused:

[a456]

The iMac and the Mini have been upgraded, does that mean that the MacBook and MBP will follow suit before 12th September, ready for whatever announcement comes then?

[foodog]

May I be the first to say: Where's our desktop?

I assume you mean headless tower since all the iMacs and the MAC Mini are desktops......... Oh wait, isn't the MAC Pro a headless tower?

[balamw]

Besides, no more Intel Core Solo in Mac Mini.
I'm surprised the mini's price points remained the same. I was expecting price drops as seen with the iMac. The 20" is a steal!

B

[dualsyste]

Nice. I just picked my next computer :).

Chin becomes very unnoticeable as the screen scales in size which is also good!

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Why 1394b at 800 Mbps when eSATA at 3000 Gbps is available?

Apple missed the boat on the external storage front here....
I'm guessing you mean 3Gbps...
Apple likes firewire, they made it. eSATA is nice, but you can't daisy chain the drives. That's why I like firewire so much.

[Chundles]

I assume you mean headless tower since all the iMacs and the MAC Mini are desktops......... Oh wait, isn't the MAC Pro a headless tower?

Mac, not MAC. They're different things.

[slidingjon]

Amazing price drop! Coly cow! I paid the $1299 :( still worth every penny

[iGary]

So to all of you who said Conroe would be in iMacs -

*points and laughs*

:p

[MIDI_EVIL]

3GB of RAM...!

Is the 7600 256MB any good as a GFX card?

Rich.

[Koodauw]

Anyone else notice that the low end iMac (1.83 Ghz) now has the 950 chipset for a graphics card?

[BRLawyer]

The nicest and most powerful desktop on the planet...where is my credit card? And it's not even 12 September YET!!!

Is there any Winblows fanboy still out there to justify the purchase of a damn PC? I don't think so... :rolleyes:

[Manic Mouse]

I assume you mean headless tower since all the iMacs and the MAC Mini are desktops......... Oh wait, isn't the MAC Pro a headless tower?

It's a workstation, not a desktop. Apple need to plug that gap something serious!

[iGary]

Why not 4GB of RAM?

[drlunanerd]

1920 x 1200

Why 1394b at 800 Mbps when eSATA at 3000 Gbps is available?

3Gbps

:p

[HecubusPro]

I assume the Merom is inside?

But these babies are gr8 value!

Luckily you don't have to choose for the 7300... you can get the better 7600 inside. Not brilliant, but it's better.

So that must be it for the ATI partnership, or at least the first nail in the coffin. Nvidia is a good move anyway.

[balamw]

Anyone else notice that the low end iMac (1.83 Ghz) now has the 950 chipset for a graphics card?
This should have been clear from the EDU iMac which also sported the 950.

B

[ImNoSuperMan]

Did the stores go down today as well like yesterday????

[majorp]

The iMac and the Mini have been upgraded, does that mean that the MacBook and MBP will follow suit before 12th September, ready for whatever announcement comes then?

i reckon, if they changed all of the core duos to core 2 duos in one go apple would not be able to handle all of the extra orders, so they spread it out a little.

[Machead III]

I guess this means that the event on the 12th will be iPod/Media device + movie store only.

What does this update mean for MacBook C2Ds?

[MacsRgr8]

Anyone knows how the GeForce 7600 GT compares to the Radeon X1X00 series?
Similar to the X1800 GT?

Must be better/faster than the X1600....

[Zadillo]

One thing that strikes me...... doesn't this cause some confusion since Intel uses the "Core 2 Duo" name for both the mobile Merom chips and the desktop Conroe chips? Not that most consumers would know the difference anyway, but it seems like people see "Core 2 Duo" in the desktop iMac, and the assumption would be that it would be the same "Core 2 Duo" processor found in other desktops, not the mobile version.

[Chundles]

Anyone else notice that the low end iMac (1.83 Ghz) now has the 950 chipset for a graphics card?

That's just a Core 2 Duo updated version of the iMac that replaced the eMac earlier this year. It was initially only for sale to educational institutions.

[sikkinixx]

*sigh* still no good video card...

[carlos700]

Anyone knows how the GeForce 7600 GT compares to the Radeon X1X00 series?
Similar to the X1800 GT?

Must be better/faster than the X1600....

I believe the GeForce 7600 GT is on par with the X1800 GT, faster in some cases, slower in others. It's a pretty good graphics card. I would just like to see the GeForce 7600 GT bump out the 7300 GT on Mac Pro.

[chaosbunny]

Crap, I'd like a Mac in that price range without a screen, not with a bigger one!

But for those without a large screen at home definitely a sweet deal.

[AidenShaw]

When they come out and we both buy one, can we have a little MacRumours party topic? We can dance all night long! ;)

I would be so happy!
I'll wait for the Media Centre Edition to ship - that's one of the "super secret" parts of OSX 10.5 that hasn't been shown.

[aswitcher]

Impressive price drop by Apple.

[prady16]

Does it come with a in-built tv tuner or do we have to get an external one?

[dcv]

This is awesome news. I said just the other day that I probably wouldn't buy a 23" iMac (though I would *look* at one) and I would probably just get a 23" ACD + Mac Mini instead... now that they've brought back the wall-mounting option I'm very tempted indeed. My current iMac G5 (rev B) is wall-mounted to save desktop space. The weight of the new 24" is about the same as the older 20" so that isn't an issue for my existing mount. Would just have to check that the position on the wall won't be too low.

I'm thinking of going away next week... if I weren't I'd have probably ordered one already!

[MattDell]

So do we keep waiting for updated Macbooks and Macbook Pro's or not? :confused:

[ZoomZoomZoom]

Anyone knows how the GeForce 7600 GT compares to the Radeon X1X00 series?
Similar to the X1800 GT?

Must be better/faster than the X1600....

On par with x1800, about twice as fast as x1600.

[jvan]

3 gigs of ram? holy moly

[AidenShaw]

I'm guessing you mean 3Gbps...
Apple likes firewire, they made it. eSATA is nice, but you can't daisy chain the drives. That's why I like firewire so much.
I meant 3000 Mbps, thanks for pointing out the typo.

[slackersonly]

Woot!

Existing line upgraded
New size addition
Price drop

Solid approach by Apple. Looks like I am one step closer to getting my family (parents 60+) to switch. Man that will make my iLife :D so much easier.

C'mon 17" iMac refurbs for $899.

[kev0476]

holy crap, when did this happen, now more core solo in the mac mini, imac with new screen size and core 2 duo.

So macbook pros are next, (with a 20" screen size :D )

Apple is now all dual-core technology.

WOOT WOOT WOOT!

Can't wait for the macbook pros.

(and the return of the newton :D )

[heehee]

Where is the Core 2 Duo in the Macbook Pro? :mad:

[jameshopkins]

So do we keep waiting for updated Macbooks and Macbook Pro's or not? :confused:

I dont see the MacBook going core 2 duo, but i reckon the MBP will, maybe with a new case design on the 12th?

[HecubusPro]

Is there any Winblows fanboy still out there to justify the purchase of a damn PC? I don't think so... :rolleyes:

Sure, if you don't like macs.

[milo]

So do we keep waiting for updated Macbooks and Macbook Pro's or not? :confused:

Of course! This announcement doesn't have any effect on a MBP release (although the MB may not get the update yet).

[ezekielrage_99]

Those are some really nice specs, I am sorry if this has been answered before but do we know what Core 2 Duo they are? Conroe or Merom :confused:

[kadajawi]

Noticed that the Mac Mini got a bump too? Core Duo 1.66 for the low end and Core Duo 1.87 for the high end version. But it seems like the low end version doesn't even has an option for a super drive? Weird...

The 24" iMac looks cool :)

[2ndPath]

One thing that strikes me...... doesn't this cause some confusion since Intel uses the "Core 2 Duo" name for both the mobile Merom chips and the desktop Conroe chips? Not that most consumers would know the difference anyway, but it seems like people see "Core 2 Duo" in the desktop iMac, and the assumption would be that it would be the same "Core 2 Duo" processor found in other desktops, not the mobile version.

Shouldn't the Conroe CPUs run at higher frequencies than the CPUs used in the iMacs?

[HecubusPro]

Of course! This announcement doesn't have any effect on a MBP release (although the MB may not get the update yet).

And if they launched what most would consider a fantastic new imac with such little fanfare, I'm sure MBP's will receive the same sort of treatment. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next week. But this new iMac (did I say how fantastic it is) is a good sign we'll see C2D MBP's soon.:D

[shecky]

it would not surprise me at all to see MBP's announced in the next couple of days in the same way this was announced; press release + updated store.

that way the 12th can be "and before we get into itunes stuff, lets recap: look at all this new stuff....."

edit: yeah. what hecubus said!

[Manic Mouse]

Those are some really nice specs, I am sorry if this has been answered before but do we know what Core 2 Duo they are? Conroe or Merom :confused:

Merom.

[charris]

Forgive me if this isn't new, but I just noticed that you can order the BT keyboard and mighty mouse as a package for $60 ($54 edu discount). Given that the BT MM alone is $69, this is a great deal.

[AidenShaw]

Why not 4GB of RAM?
The system uses some of the 4 GiB of physical address space to map I/O busses and devices.

For example, that 256 MiB of VRAM on the graphics card appears in the physical address space -- which means that only 3.75 GiB is available for real memory. PCIe busses take more, as well as network and other needs. PCI Express reserves a lot of memory for I/O space.

A with a 32-bit chipset the OS has to "ignore" any real memory that's usurped by I/O space reserved addressing. A 64-bit chipset (with a 64-bit OS) doesn't have that problem.

I have a 4 GiB Dell D620, but Windows and Linux only see about 3.1 GiB of that due to the I/O space issues. I expect that OSX86 has the same restrictions - since it's a hardware issue.

IBM only offers 3 GiB configs of the same Yonah/Napa combination - apparently to avoid "where's the rest of my memory" complaints. It looks like Apple is copying IBM's approach.
_____________________

The ProMac has a 64-bit capable chipset, so the memory extensions that were used for the PowerMac G5 can be used to avoid this issue.

The Napa chipset is 32-bit - Santa Rosa will be 64-bit.

[crooKed]

I am seriously thinking of getting out of Windowsworld and the new 24" iMac looks great!:D

From the listed specs this will really rock.

Anybody have advice on whether I should wait for Leopard to come out or not?

[Stella]

Those prices are a bargin. Nice to see a $CA1K model - even if the graphic card stinks - but not everyone needs a decent graphics card.

Makes the Mac Mini look really expensive, and weak...

[ezekielrage_99]

And it is also nice to see that there are no Solos anymore, all Duo very cool :cool:

[Manic Mouse]

Shouldn't the Conroe CPUs run at higher frequencies than the CPUs used in the iMacs?

Yup. PC's will be running faster, cheaper and slightly more powerful (per clock) chips. :confused:

[berkleeboy210]

I knew they could do this without any fanfare.....

Now....

Bring on the Movie Store, Video iPods, and the 'one more thing'!!!

[Machead III]

So do we keep waiting for updated Macbooks and Macbook Pro's or not? :confused:

Yeah I'm wondering the same.

Every manufacturer and their mother has announced Core 2 Duo portables, and most of them consumer models too. Sheesh, I mean there are Core 2 Duo tablets, if they can do that, Apple can do bloody MacBooks.

[amin]

Those are some really nice specs, I am sorry if this has been answered before but do we know what Core 2 Duo they are? Conroe or Merom :confused:

The 1.83, 2.0, 2.16, and 2.33GHz clock speeds show that it is Merom, not Conroe. Conroe would be 1.86, 2.13 (2MB L2 cache), 2.40, 2.66 (4MB L2 cache), and 2.93 GHz (Core 2 Extreme)

Since the 24" model is at least prosumer, it would have been nice to see that one get a Conroe (Extreme even).

[Chundles]

Low end iMac starts at $1549 here in Australia, no further details as the rest hasn't been updated.

The current top model mini is $1249 - looks a bit iffy considering the iMac is faster and has a decent screen as well, $300 doesn't buy a Core 2 Duo and a 17" widescreen, mind you, you lose the Superdrive, bluetooth and the remote...

A top end mini and a $300 LCD is probably better value but I have yet to see the price of the 17" dedicated graphics model.

[MacsRgr8]

I believe the GeForce 7600 GT is on par with the X1800 GT, faster in some cases, slower in others. It's a pretty good graphics card. I would just like to see the GeForce 7600 GT bump out the 7300 GT on Mac Pro.

Cheers.

So, the 7600 GT card should be a good gaming card.

I mean, I am still looking for a replacement of my dead gaming PC, and thought the Mac Pro too expensive (don't need all 4 Cores) for my Mac needs + PC gaming needs together.
But this 24" iMac, is en excellent computer for my combined needs! (I am sure, I am not the only one who wants the Mac for every day stuff, and a PC just for gaming....)

[Zimmy]

ok i am confused, do i

a) buy a 32" lcd, hook up the mac mini to it, used it as a media centre, use my 360 on it, and have a wireless kbd/mse to it and use it as desktop. and get a macbook as my main machine

b) get a 24" wall mount it, use that as my desktop, keep the 360 downstiars and get a macbook

c) get the 17" with the superdrive and a mac mini, and not a 32" tv

aaaahhhh!!!!

/me goes crazy

Zim

[cfanyc]

hmmm why 3gigs of ram and not 4?

Do you think it will work with 2 2gig sticks and they just dont support it?

weird.

[Peace]

Cool!!


I ordered a 20" last night hoping they would update before they shipped it.Woke up this morning to see that big 24" model so I called Apple and canceled my yet to be built 20" and got the new one..

3 Gigs Ram!!

Better than 2 but I cant see why they cant do 4..

Ship date of the 15th for CTO though..Guess I can wait.

[Frisco]

I am seriously thinking of getting out of Windowsworld and the new 24" iMac looks great!:D

From the listed specs this will really rock.

Anybody have advice on whether I should wait for Leopard to come out or not?

Why wait? It's perfect! You'll drive yourself crazy waiting. It's like staring at a sizzling steak in front of your face, but deciding not to eat it until April!

[Multimedia]

Besides, no more Intel Core Solo in Mac Mini.
$599 - $579 Academic (3.5% off) Big Whoop.
1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor
2MB L2 Cache
667MHz Frontside Bus
512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
60GB Serial ATA hard drive¹
Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote

Core 2 Duo will follow after their supply of Core 2 Duo can keep up with other model's needs first - my guess is by Thanksgiving. :) So that report of fulfillment of an order for a Core Solo with a Core Duo was not a screw up mistake on Apple's end. He was just the first to get one.

[Multimedia]

hmmm why 3gigs of ram and not 4?

Do you think it will work with 2 2gig sticks and they just dont support it?

weird.Yes. I think they just didn't want to scare buyers with an extra $1500 of their insane RAM prices.

[SirROM]

Here is what I suspect...

1) If no major case changes, a quiet introduction like today's iMac
2) If a major case and feature change, a "One More Thing"© next week...
3) Perhaps the reason for the delay in introduction is the Meroms are still constrained and Apple wanted them in the iMacs first.

Either way, I'm anticipating them to be introduced soon and I'll be in line as quickly as possible along with many here to buy one.

[blackstarliner]

I am seriously thinking of getting out of Windowsworld and the new 24" iMac looks great!:D

From the listed specs this will really rock.

Anybody have advice on whether I should wait for Leopard to come out or not?

Just do it. Leopard will be a coupla hundred bucks when it comes (Spring), no biggie.

[BenRoethig]

I assume you mean headless tower since all the iMacs and the MAC Mini are desktops......... Oh wait, isn't the MAC Pro a headless tower?

It's a workstation, not a desktop. Yes there is a difference.

[Puppies]

Nice systems. Just hope we get Macbook/Pro and iPod updates soon! (Especially if they count as finally fixed rev. 'b' versions!)

It's nice to FINALLY see a decent GPU in an iMac (the Geforce 7600GT). I think this is the first time, though it's really overpriced if you're getting that model. Still, exciting updates for the iMac and Mac Mini!

[kristiano]

I am seriously thinking of getting out of Windowsworld and the new 24" iMac looks great!:D

From the listed specs this will really rock.

Anybody have advice on whether I should wait for Leopard to come out or not?

Get one if you need it now.


Bottomline is, when Leopard comes out, there will a cheaper/better Mac. But that's just the way it is with technology.

[Allotriophagy]

See this - the price of the spec I want in US Dollars, when converted to British Pounds, is...£1337!

Truly a message to poor gamers who cannot afford the Mac Pro...

[mdntcallr]

hmmm..... may pick up one of the large ones.

wanna play with one at an apple store first though. also see if i can upgrade the graphics card. or see if the one included is good enough for photography and gaming.

[iGary]

A maxed out 24" is $3,384.00

:eek:

hmmm..... may pick up one of the large ones.

wanna play with one at an apple store first though. also see if i can upgrade the graphics card. or see if the one included is good enough for photography and gaming.

There is a 256MB option.

[meanmusic]

Of course! This announcement doesn't have any effect on a MBP release (although the MB may not get the update yet).

iMac and Mini updates today. maybe MBP updates today or this week also? make the media on the 12th all about the iPod and movies.

[~Shard~]

Wow, this is great news, I'm impressed - I never saw a 24" iMac in the cards!

And, since it's Merom, this makes the likelihood of seeing a Conroe minitower even better - after all, Apple has to stick the Conroe chip in something, right? ;) :D As it stands now, since Merom is technically the "mobile chip", Apple has 5 mobile solutions (2 mobile MB/MBPs, 3 not-so-mobile iMacs) and a workstation solution (Mac Pro), so where is the desktop solution? :p :cool:

[Chundles]

1.83GHz 17" iMac - $1549
2.00GHz 17" iMac - $1849
2.16GHz 20" iMac - $2299
2.16GHz 24" iMac - $2999

3GB RAM upgrade is $1400 :eek:

That's a bit higher than I'd thought for the 24" model, I was thinking about $2599 but ah well.

Off to check out edu prices.

EDIT - Edu prices more reasonable:

1.83GHz 17" iMac - $1393.70
2.00GHz 17" iMac - $1664.30
2.16GHz 20" iMac - $2069.10
2.16GHz 24" iMac - $2699.40

[iGary]

Wow, this is great news, I'm impressed - I never saw a 24" iMac in the cards!

And, since it's Merom, this makes the likelihood of seeing a Conroe minitower even better - after all, Apple has to stick the Conroe chip in something, right? ;) :D As it stands now, since Merom is technically the "mobile chip", Apple has 5 mobile solutions (2 mobile MB/MBPs, 3 not-so-mobile iMacs) and a workstation solution (Mac Pro), so where is the desktop solution? :p :cool:

Workstations sit on desktops. :p :D

[micvog]

I believe the GeForce 7600 GT is on par with the X1800 GT, faster in some cases, slower in others. It's a pretty good graphics card. I would just like to see the GeForce 7600 GT bump out the 7300 GT on Mac Pro.

Does anyone know how the 7300GT compares to the X1600? I am leaning towards the 20" to replace my 17" rev. A iMacG5, but would upgrade to the 24" is the GPU is a big bump.

[surroundfan]

1.83GHz 17" iMac - $1549
2.00GHz 17" iMac - $1849
2.16GHz 20" iMac - $2299
2.16GHz 24" iMac - $2999

That's a bit higher than I'd thought for the 24" model, I was thinking about $2599 but ah well.

Off to check out edu prices.

It's $1999 Stateside. It's actually proportionally cheaper in the currency conversion than the 17" stripper base model.

[milo]

Every manufacturer and their mother has announced Core 2 Duo portables, and most of them consumer models too. Sheesh, I mean there are Core 2 Duo tablets, if they can do that, Apple can do bloody MacBooks.

Yep, ANNOUNCED. But most of them still aren't shipping for a few days. Apple can still wait a bit to announce merom MBP and STILL beat most of the pc's to market.

[DavidLeblond]

Hey quick question.

I was originally going to get the 20". With the proc upgrade, ram upgrade, and graphics upgrade.

But now I'm looking at the 24" with only a ram upgrade. I'm not a "pro" so would I really notice a diff with the proc upgrade? And isn't the 128mb 7300 still much better than the 256mb 1600?

The price diff between those two models still puts it at the price I was planning on spending on the 20" before the upgrades happened.... what should I do? I mean 24" is a nice size, but what I'm looking at is brighter screen, better speakers, better vid card... thats where I should be going right?

[ZoomZoomZoom]

Does anyone know how the 7300GT compares to the X1600? I am leaning towards the 20" to replace my 17" rev. A iMacG5, but would upgrade to the 24" is the GPU is a big bump.

Apple has it benchmarked. It is a large jump.

http://www.apple.com/imac/graphics.html

[TBi]

What a pleasant surprise!!

[MacsRgr8]

Does anyone know how the 7300GT compares to the X1600? I am leaning towards the 20" to replace my 17" rev. A iMacG5, but would upgrade to the 24" is the GPU is a big bump.

Well, it seems to be comparable with the X1800 GT, and that card is alot faster than the X1600.

[ezekielrage_99]

3 gigs of ram? holy moly

And you will still have people saying that isn't enough....

[Manic Mouse]

And, since it's Merom, this makes the likelihood of seeing a Conroe minitower even better - after all, Apple has to stick the Conroe chip in something, right? ;) :D As it stands now, since Merom is technically the "mobile chip", Apple has 5 mobile solutions (2 mobile MB/MBPs, 3 not-so-mobile iMacs) and a workstation solution (Mac Pro), so where is the desktop solution? :p :cool:

Fingers crossed!

[tekmoe]

this 7300 GT...is this a mobile chip that we might possibly see in the mbp?

[ZoomZoomZoom]

And isn't the 128mb 7300 still much better than the 256mb 1600?

Yes, it is still better. Although the 7600, for $125, will make things even better than that.

[Le Big Mac]

Forgive me if this isn't new, but I just noticed that you can order the BT keyboard and mighty mouse as a package for $60 ($54 edu discount). Given that the BT MM alone is $69, this is a great deal.

But you don't get the wired keyboard/mouse if you do that. In other words, the $60 is really more like $100 with a $40 credit for the wired kb/mouse.

[aristobrat]

But you don't get the wired keyboard/mouse if you do that. In other words, the $60 is really more like $100 with a $40 credit for the wired kb/mouse.
Isn't a wired keyboard required when initially setting up the computer?

[joeboy_45101]

I can't decide whether I want the 17" or the 20". What do you all suggest? :D

[DavidLeblond]

I can't decide whether I want the 17" or the 20". What do you all suggest? :D

24" ;)

[Chef Medeski]

Forgive me if this isn't new, but I just noticed that you can order the BT keyboard and mighty mouse as a package for $60 ($54 edu discount). Given that the BT MM alone is $69, this is a great deal.
So, does anyone want to buy this option with their mac and I'll pay the $60 for both of them. Ok... $70 for your time and shipping. ;)

something[/i], right? ;) :D As it stands now, since Merom is technically the "mobile chip", Apple has 5 mobile solutions (2 mobile MB/MBPs, 3 not-so-mobile iMacs) and a workstation solution (Mac Pro), so where is the desktop solution? :p :cool:

Well, lets see where would they put it? Between Mac Mini and iMac.... you know in that $200 difference. Or maybe between iMac and Pro Mac.... in that what $300 difference. It seems like the Mac Mini bump and iMac expansion have left no room in the line-up for another Mac. Even with conroes... all speeds, sizes, prices are covered. There isn't room for a Conroe Mac. Period.

They probably aren't even going to use Conroe chips because I bet its a lot more work to redesign the iMac to use Conroe and then set up another supply chain just for Conroe chips when they could just use Merom and Woodcrest solely, it seems to fulfill their line-up well and makes it simpler for logistics.

I bet you a BT Might Mouse we won't see a Conroe Mac in the next 4 months.

[~Shard~]

Workstations sit on desktops. :p :D

Damn you iGary and your legal mumbo jumbo... ;) :D

[AidenShaw]

I Am Pretty Sure It Will Support Two 2GB Sticks For A Total Of 4GB

Yes. I think they just didn't want to scare buyers with an extra $1500 of their insane RAM prices.

It's possibly a waste of money, though. The 32-bit Napa chipset might make it impossible to use most of the top GiB.

But I'm sure somebody will put 4 GiB in one of these soon and tell us the real story!

(more at http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2800136&postcount=82)

[azentropy]

Nice update for those who want an iMac. Decent bump for the Mac mini too..
I'm sure the MBP will be updated soon and possibly the MB..

Like many others, I'm waiting for something more powerful and expandable than a Mac mini, but not as expensive as a Mac Pro and does not have an integrated LCD like an iMac (I have a 24" Dell already).

Something like:
1.83 Ghz Core Duo 2 (Conroe)
512 gig Ram (4 memory slots)
160Gig 3.5" SATA Drive (and one additonal empty bay)
Dual Layer Superdrive
PCIe Video Card (ATI X1600 or NVidia 7300GT)
1 additional PCI slot
Bluetooth/Airport
in something like a mini-tower case (about 2/3 size of Mac Pro)

Starting about what the iMac starts at ($1199)... With a more loaded one
2.16Ghz, 1Gig Ram, 250Gig HD, better video (say 7600GT) going up to $1599 or so...

Crossing my fingers for the 12th!

[BenRoethig]

Anyone knows how the GeForce 7600 GT compares to the Radeon X1X00 series?
Similar to the X1800 GT?

Must be better/faster than the X1600....

Much faster. Even the 7300GT is significantly better.

Anyway, of the two NEW edition to the lineup, the 17" GMA iMac is much more important to Apple's well being. Why? Volume. They're going to sell ten of them for every 24". The 24" is a silver bullet machine. It's really cool looking, but I don't see many plunking down $2000 on a family computer. It's not going to really appeal to professionals or prosumers either because of its feature set.

[Chundles]

Isn't a wired keyboard required when initially setting up the computer?

Not for the Apple wireless keyboard.

[Manic Mouse]

So, does anyone want to buy this option with their mac and I'll pay the $60 for both of them. Ok... $70 for your time and shipping. ;)



Well, lets see where would they put it? Between Mac Mini and iMac.... you know in that $200 difference. Or maybe between iMac and Pro Mac.... in that what $300 difference. It seems like the Mac Mini bump and iMac expansion have left no room in the line-up for another Mac. Even with conroes... all speeds, sizes, prices are covered. There isn't room for a Conroe Mac. Period.


Rubbish. There is a Jupiter sized gap in Apples product "matrix". They have no desktop for frig sake!

[BenRoethig]

this 7300 GT...is this a mobile chip that we might possibly see in the mbp?

Nope, desktop chip.

[~Shard~]

Well, lets see where would they put it? Between Mac Mini and iMac.... you know in that $200 difference. Or maybe between iMac and Pro Mac.... in that what $300 difference. It seems like the Mac Mini bump and iMac expansion have left no room in the line-up for another Mac. Even with conroes... all speeds, sizes, prices are covered. There isn't room for a Conroe Mac. Period.

Price gaps, sure, I'll give you that, but you are comparing apples to oranges if you're comparing the Mini and Mac Pro (headless) to an iMac (AIO). What about the people who already have a nice 24" display (or whatever) - what are their options? Throw away their dislpay and buy an iMac? Sure, they could sell it I suppose, but why, if they like it and it works perfectly? So, otherwise, their options are a Mac mini or a Mac Pro - nothing in between. Where is the machine with the iMac's specs (which are perfect for most users) which isn't AIO? For many people the mini is slightly underpowered, and the Mac Pro is overkill. And many people do not want an AIO and prefer easy upgradeability.

I realize it's unlikely Apple will release a Conroe minitower, but I definitely still see a place for it, and hey, one can always dream. :D :cool:

[asterizk]

1920 x 1200 - so it's 1080i/p compatible....

Oops yeah... my bad. Gonna need something to play those HD downloads :)

[dubnluvn]

holy chit...nice price point on the all models especially 17" and 24". Excellent upgraded 17" model too...you get a lot of good stuff for $200 more from base.

[paradillon]

The "Digitally Amplified Speakers" makes me wonder about apples patent on surround sound technology for movie veiwing.
http://forums.macrumors.com/images/attach/jpg.gif

[azentropy]

Well, lets see where would they put it? Between Mac Mini and iMac.... you know in that $200 difference. Or maybe between iMac and Pro Mac.... in that what $300 difference. It seems like the Mac Mini bump and iMac expansion have left no room in the line-up for another Mac. Even with conroes... all speeds, sizes, prices are covered. There isn't room for a Conroe Mac. Period.


Why does it have to go inbetween the iMac and something? How about giving customers a CHOICE at the same pricepoint as the iMac. Lose the integrated LCD for those who have one, bump up the specs a bit and sell at the same price points... See my post above for what I would like to see....

[AlBDamned]

Crikey - brand new iMacs. That 24" model is something else.

And updates on a Random Wednesday? What the hell's going on around here?!!

http://library.canterbury.ac.uk/info-skills/pictures/qmark.gif

[ZoomZoomZoom]

Nope, desktop chip.

There's a Go7300 though :p

Although... I'd rather see a Go 7600 or Mobile x1800 in the MBPs...

[anim8or]

Does anyone think that as we have seen the Mac Mini's update was just a speed bump, that the MacBook will only see a speed bump too.

There has been a debate as to whether the MacBook will see 'merom' this year, i think that the evidence speaks for itself... ...not til next year.

Here is how i see it;

Mac Mini, MacBook White - Consumer models - Core Duo til late this year or early next

iMac, MacBook Black - Bridge between consumer and pro - Core 2 Duo (Possibly not in the BlackBook but perhaps as an option?)

Mac Pro, MacBook Pro - Pro Models - Core 2 Duo


Just my opinion... ...what does everyone else think?

[LastLine]

Interestingly the formerly complete Mac family now has a new member in the form of the 24¨ iMac. Be interesting to see how 'complete' the Macbook family was now...

[cadillaccactus]

for the life of me I can't remember what the 17 and 20 were priced at before today... did they drop?

this is a dumb question but im curious. i had been holding off on buying a 20, but if the price has come down... hmmm.

[Platform]

This is a great update.....WOW

Core 2
24"
7300GT (7600GT BTO)
3GB RAM

Lets see what tuesday can bring :D

[Eidorian]

I could have saved a little more money on my iMac. I did NEED it a month ago though. Merom is nice but Core Duo (Yonah) isn't devastated by it.

[BenRoethig]

There's a Go7300 though :p

Although... I'd rather see a Go 7600 or Mobile x1800 in the MBPs...

Despite the name, the GeForce 7300GT is actually a variant of the 7600 series. The GO7300 is based off the entry level 7000 series.

Interestingly the formerly complete Mac family now has a new member in the form of the 24¨ iMac. Be interesting to see how 'complete' the Macbook family was now...

God willing with lower prices and a GMA 15".

[bommai]

Wow! That's great value. Although it looks like the edu-iMac (no bluetooth or superdrive or remote). But at least it's available for those without more money to spend.

As for the spread between 24" and MacPro . . . good that they're reducing the gap. Give people more options!

If you like the low end iMac but would like a Remote, you can add do it BTO for an additional $29.00. So, it looks like the infrared receiver is on the machine, they are just not bundling the remote.

[draghelm]

No one else noticed that the 17" "strippers" are shipping within 24 hours, with the rest within 1-2 days. That puts Apple only day or two behind the PC manufacturers shipping Meroms?

[~Shard~]

Oops yeah... my bad. Gonna need something to play those HD downloads :)

Yeah, Essential Mixes I can handle uploading ya, but it would take forever to upload you HD movies - best that you be downloading those on your own... :p ;) :D

Why does it have to go inbetween the iMac and something? How about giving customers a CHOICE at the same pricepoint as the iMac. Lose the integrated LCD for those who have one, bump up the specs a bit and sell at the same price points... See my post above for what I would like to see....

Precisely - see my above post. As I see it, there is still a huge gap in the product line - perhaps not in price or specs, but in fundamental design philosophy. Anyone wanting an Apple desktop is forced to buy an AIO. For many people that's fine, they don't care, perhaps they even welcome it or prefer it, but for many others it's simply not an attractive option.

[bigandy]

brilliant news. and 3gb ram max? :D

only thing i'm not sure about is the height with the bottom white plastic on a 24" screen. hmm. but tis good :)

[bloodycape]

How does the NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 128MB compare to the ATI X1600? Is it faster, better, and or more reliable? I am assuming this is also underclocked?

[Multimedia]

Just do it. Leopard will be a coupla hundred bucks when it comes (Spring), no biggie.$129

[twoodcc]

well apple finally came thru and released something......finally

[Foggy]

I realize it's unlikely Apple will release a Conroe minitower, but I definitely still see a place for it, and hey, one can always dream. :D :cool:

I asked a while back if Apple were likely to release a mini tower type machine and was quite surprised with the agreessivley negative replies some people gave all but calling me an idiot for asking for one. Some people just dont seem to get the fact there could quite easily be a machine that sits inbetween the mac mini and the mac pro even though the imac exists.

[Linito]

nice a 24" imac! wohooo!, but when is the 30" or 40" coming out? :p
the best of all this still is the fact that once again there is a sub 1000€/$ imac

[kangaroo]

I'll wait for the Media Centre Edition to ship - that's one of the "super secret" parts of OSX 10.5 that hasn't been shown.

Could you expand on this? What will the Media edition add to the pot? Thanks.

[ZoomZoomZoom]

How does the NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 128MB compare to the ATI X1600? Is it faster, better, and or more reliable? I am assuming this is also underclocked?

This has been answered several times in the past... 2 minutes...

http://www.apple.com/imac/graphics.html

[2ndPath]

Precisely - see my above post. As I see it, there is still a huge gap in the product line - perhaps not in price or specs, but in fundamental design philosophy. Anyone wanting an Apple desktop is forced to buy an AIO. For many people that's fine, they don't care, perhaps they even welcome it or prefer it, but for many others it's simply not an attractive option.

Nicely said. I fully agree.

[amols]

Wow...now what's left for Sept 12 ? iPods and iTunes??

And those waiting for MBPs........Start Crying :D :D :D

[sluthy]

See this - the price of the spec I want in US Dollars, when converted to British Pounds, is...£1337!
:D I like that!

I love Intel's naming scheme right now, how there's the Core 2 Duo for the desktop, and the...Core 2 Duo for notebooks...which are the same, but slightly different...and they both follow on from the Core Solo and Duo...which aren't actually Core processors...*headexplodes*

Bring on Merom MBP's! Then get them preloaded with Leopard before the end of February so I can still get it all before I graduate and get edu discount! :D

[azzurri000]

Wow, what a beauty. I am surprised that the top model didn't come with a better graphics card standard though, especially because of its large screen size.

[odedia]

Nope, desktop chip.

we don't know that yet.

The ATI X1600 in the "old" iMac is a mobile chip. And an UNDERCLOCKED one.

Damn it, I wanted a Conroe iMac... I wonder how different they are from the Merom performance wise?

BTW, Vesa mount is back with the 24" model.

It's pretty clear why the added the Firewire 800 port ot the iMac: Time Machine requires an external hard drive. And it would be best if it was a pretty darn fast one, as well.

[asiayeah]

I once considered the 20" model but found its screen a bit small for movie or TV viewing.

Now the 24" model is good enough. But will it ever have a built-in TV tuner?

[suneohair]

I am very impressed with Apple on this one.

Specs Bumped
Price Dropped
Gap closed

I think this put the nail in the coffin on the headless desktop between the iMac and the Mac Pro.

The only things that bugs me (probably because I bought a Mac Pro) is that the iMacs come standard with 1GB and a comparable card. Makes me wish they went at least 2GB and a 7600GT. But oh well.

Considering they added a 24" iMac, what are the chances that they will move the 23" ACD to 24"?

[asterizk]

Yeah, Essential Mixes I can handle uploading ya, but it would take forever to upload you HD movies - best that you be downloading those on your own... :p ;) :D
Oh come on! :D Heee.... I was thinking the 1080i/p resolution might be a hint of what's to come on the 12th :) :cool:

[AidenShaw]

Could you expand on this? What will the Media edition add to the pot? Thanks.
Think FrontRow with integrated SDTV and HDTV tuners, program guide, PVR (TiVo-like scheduled recording), 1.5 TB disk for those shows....

[roland.g]

My debate begins - but to be decided by this time next week (all prices edu)

New iMac 24" 2.33 GHz Core 2 Duo
2GB RAM
500GB HDD
GeForce 7600 256MB
Wireless Keyboard & BT MM
Applecare

$2,748

Mac Mini 1.83 Core Duo
2GB RAM
Wireless Keyboard & BT MM
23" Apple Cinema HD Display
Applecare

$2,101

Add $149 to both orders for Final Cut Express HD.
I really like the look of the ACD. The white iMac is not as sexy.
I understand the ACD has no iSight and the Mini has integrated graphics and you can see I am getting FCE HD. I would also be spending another $299 on an IDE (not SATA) 500GB MiniStack which brings the price up to $2,400.
The Mini gives me the ability to upgrade in 18-30 months and turn it into a multimedia server at my tv, but by buying the ACD, I'm either looking at another Mini, a yet-to-be-released mid-tower, or a MacPro.

Anyone notice the 23" ACD and 24" iMac both have 1920x1200. Isn't that odd?

Any suggestions.

[thedonga]

Considering they added a 24" iMac, what are the chances that they will move the 23" ACD to 24"?
I hope not, the 24" panel is not as good as the 23"
I bet you see a lot of complaints regarding photo editing on the 24" iMac. The screen is way too bright, and you cannot dim it enough for true color reproduction. This is an issue that is well known with the 2407 from dell. I am assuming it is the same panel.

[Multimedia]

Much faster. Even the 7300GT is significantly better.

Anyway, of the two NEW edition to the lineup, the 17" GMA iMac is much more important to Apple's well being. Why? Volume. They're going to sell ten of them for every 24". The 24" is a silver bullet machine. It's really cool looking, but I don't see many plunking down $2000 on a family computer. It's not going to really appeal to professionals or prosumers either because of its feature set.So you think the $999 model will be a home run? What about all those extras you get for only $200 more? Seems to me the $999 model just gets them into the store where a sales person sells them on the upgrade to the $1199 model.

On the top, I have to say that you will be so much better off with a 3GB - third party ram - 2GHz Mac Pro and a Dell 24" screen for a total of about $3k. And if you have a screen already, then it's even more of a no brainer to buy the 2GHz Mac Pro. My slant.

[Yvan256]

Is it just me, or a 24" iMac would've been nice to show on stage with whatever that "Showtime" thing might be? That would, at least, have made some sense to at least start by showing that.

Which means the september 12th presentation must be really packed with new stuff if they couldn't even announce the 24" iMac at that event. They've also bumped the CPUs on the Mac mini today, so that makes two updates on the same day too.

It's also weird to see new releases on a wednesday...

[suneohair]

we don't know that yet.

The ATI X1600 in the "old" iMac is a mobile chip. And an UNDERCLOCKED one.

Damn it, I wanted a Conroe iMac... I wonder how different they are from the Merom performance wise?

BTW, Vesa mount is back with the 24" model.

It's pretty clear why the added the Firewire 800 port ot the iMac: Time Machine requires an external hard drive. And it would be best if it was a pretty darn fast one, as well.

Let me give you a lesson on how CPUs are made.

Intel makes some dies. Then they go through a process called "binning". In this process the dies to test for maximum performance at a certain voltage.

Mobile C2D chips are Conroes that are binned to do the same speed at a lower voltage. So the performance is not going to be immensely different.

Depending on how you look at it, the Mobile chips are actually the cream of the crop.

[bringbackduo]

Well done! your info was correct again. I should open a betting book on macrumors!

What are the REAL chances of a MBP speedbump at Paris?

[wigga69uk]

Sorry if this has been asked before but are the 24"ers High Def?

[HecubusPro]

Here is what I suspect...

1) If no major case changes, a quiet introduction like today's iMac
2) If a major case and feature change, a "One More Thing"© next week...
3) Perhaps the reason for the delay in introduction is the Meroms are still constrained and Apple wanted them in the iMacs first.

Either way, I'm anticipating them to be introduced soon and I'll be in line as quickly as possible along with many here to buy one.

I agree with 1 definitely. A simple chip upgrade woudn't qualify 2. 3, could be. And I'll be right there in line with you.

[azzurri000]

I am very impressed with Apple on this one.
The only things that bugs me (probably because I bought a Mac Pro) is that the iMacs come standard with 1GB and a comparable card.


I didn't even notice the 1GB standard RAM until you mentioned it... I hope this ushers in a change for the other pro models...

Perhaps Mac Pros don't come standard with 1GB RAM because they are supposed to be super configurable, and Apple assumes more RAM will be added anyway?

[HecubusPro]

I am seriously thinking of getting out of Windowsworld and the new 24" iMac looks great!:D

From the listed specs this will really rock.

Anybody have advice on whether I should wait for Leopard to come out or not?

Since Core 2 Duo is 64-bit, there's really no reason to wait if you need/really want a new computer right now.

[Chundles]

I didn't even notice the 1GB standard RAM until you mentioned it... I hope this ushers in a change for the other pro models...

Perhaps Mac Pros don't come standard with 1GB RAM because they are supposed to be super configurable, and Apple assumes more RAM will be added anyway?

The Mac Pro does come standard with 1GB of RAM. You can't configure a model with any less than 1GB of RAM.

[sixth]

Has anyone ordered a Macbook Pro lately and have the ship times? I think i saw someone post saying its not supposed ship until the 13th....

[~Shard~]

Oh come on! :D Heee.... I was thinking the 1080i/p resolution might be a hint of what's to come on the 12th :) :cool:

Yeah, it definitely would be a great machine to watch HD movies on from the new iTMS Movie Store. And after that, combined with Leopard's as-yet-unannounced super-secret built-in Media Center technology, the next iMac revision will see 30" displays with built-in TV tuners, HDMI, etc. :eek: :D

It's showtime!!! :cool:

[azzurri000]

The Mac Pro does come standard with 1GB of RAM. You can't configure a model with any less than 1GB of RAM.

Oops, my bad.

[suneohair]

I hope not, the 24" panel is not as good as the 23"
I bet you see a lot of complaints regarding photo editing on the 24" iMac. The screen is way too bright, and you cannot dim it enough for true color reproduction. This is an issue that is well known with the 2407 from dell. I am assuming it is the same panel.

I am sure someone has a 24" S-IPS panel.LGs doesnt say if it is or not.

It would be nice to see Apple make it 24" though, but if the current panels dont permit them to do it at the same quality, I am fine with it staying the same.

[iBeard]

you people are never happy...

[mashinhead]

So to all of you who said Conroe would be in iMacs -

*points and laughs*

:p

why does it say 50% faster. i thought merom was only 20% faster than yonah?:confused:

[jameshopkins]

Has anyone ordered a Macbook Pro lately and have the ship times? I think i saw someone post saying its not supposed ship until the 13th....

Macbooks say 5-7 working days

[brepublican]

Wow. Totally did not expect this. I thought the announcement wasnt due til next week!!! Here I am in class, doing a mandatory check of MR and BAM! All new iMacs! Gosh!:eek:

[azzurri000]

you people are never happy...

hahaha that's just the way it goes... there are always better features and design to be had.

[peharri]

Is it just me, or a 24" iMac would've been nice to show on stage with whatever that "Showtime" thing might be? That would, at least, have made some sense to at least start by showing that.

Which means the september 12th presentation must be really packed with new stuff if they couldn't even announce the 24" iMac at that event. They've also bumped the CPUs on the Mac mini today, so that makes two updates on the same day too.

It's also weird to see new releases on a wednesday...

If it's an event centered around Apple's multimedia business, it probably wouldn't have made much sense. I suspect the rumoured Airport Express Video will be announced (or rather it's more likely than not), and some tweaks to the iPod line are also in the offing, but I'm not expecting either to appear that exciting at first.

I would caution anyone about being disappointed by next Tuesday's event. There will be minimal hardware announced, and the full consequences of that hardware existing will not be readily apparent to most people. When you see it, think "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame" - CmdrTaco's comments upon the original iPod launch, the significance of which most people missed too.

[Chef Medeski]

Why does it have to go inbetween the iMac and something? How about giving customers a CHOICE at the same pricepoint as the iMac. Lose the integrated LCD for those who have one, bump up the specs a bit and sell at the same price points... See my post above for what I would like to see....
Exactly why it wouldnt happen, cause Apple doesn't want to give people choice at one price point. Its either desktop or portable.... pick ur price... and low beho thats the mac for you. Period. No disputing the great Oracles at Cupertino.

[suneohair]

you people are never happy...
I hope you arent referring to anything I said.

I think these iMacs are great. Apple has done a great job IMO with his iMac lineup. Makes me want one even though I bought a Mac Pro. (Which is arriving today :))

I am taking about the ACDs anyhow.

[thedonga]

I am sure someone has a 24" S-IPS panel.LGs doesnt say if it is or not.

It would be nice to see Apple make it 24" though, but if the current panels dont permit them to do it at the same quality, I am fine with it staying the same.

I am basing my "insight" on http://aryarya.net/wassyoi/lcdmemo.html
A very good source for lcd panel specs. There is no 24" IPS panel in use, only PVAs

[hdsalinas]

yes all that I wanted in my imac. VRAM memory bumped to 256 would have been great but I appreciate more the price drop. I was going to buy a 20" (glad I haven´t yet) but know who knows.

Here in Honduras, the only authorized mac reseller in my city had the last 20" for US$2052 (in Honduras, computers are sales tax free), I wonder if they will apply the full $300 rebate. If they use the same margins the 24" should be around US$2250. Still not bad since I was going to pay US$2000 for it. The only problem with them is that they dont give you the option to customize your mac.


So if I go with either the 20" or the 24" I win both ways! Thanks Apple.

Now how long will I have to wait to they have them here? BTW They sold all of their 17 and 20 imacs nationwide and they said that they were waiting for a shipment of new models.:)

I will be a happy camper this christmas!

[sbarton]

Nice job by Apple on the 24". Very tempting system.

The 7600GT isn't a bad card at all for gaming. The only thing to rememeber is that it has to push 1900x1200 in those games unless you drop the resolution. I think the 7600GT has a 128 bit memory bus. All in all it should do fine for the games that are availible right now.

[iGary]

why does it say 50% faster. i thought merom was only 20% faster than yonah?:confused:

Cause its faster, but it's still not Conroe. :)

[~Shard~]

Exactly why it wouldnt happen, cause Apple doesn't want to give people choice at one price point. Its either desktop or portable.... pick ur price... and low beho thats the mac for you. Period. No disputing the great Oracles at Cupertino.

Yeah, and that's a great thing for the consumer... Apple will tell you what you need and you'll buy it and like it dammit... :rolleyes:

[Apple Corps]

Congratulations iMac fans - and well done Apple.

This really drives home the pain associated with the "professional" TOP of the LINE MBP that now sports a processor pack that is just a bit better than the top of the line Mac mini for heavens sake!!!! What is wrong with that picture:rolleyes:

Oh well - tick tock tick toc:confused:

[jeffreysousa]

What happened to the MacBook Pros with Merom? Not that I'm complaining about the iMac, but don't you all think that the professionals are the ones most in need of the Core 2 Duo right now? Most average Joe iMac consumers aren't even going to notice that the Core 2 Duo is in their machine, and even if they do, it's probably not going to make that much of a difference running Mail and Safari.

I hope Apple has enough Merom chips to launch MBP Merom soon...wasn't there some sort of rationing going on from Intel because of the high demand?

Argh.

-Obnoxious waiting-for-the-mbp Guy

[CrazyWingman]

It's a workstation, not a desktop. Yes there is a difference.
__________________
A Mac pro as a home desktop is like a Freightliner with a Pickup bed.

:) You should make your signature link here (http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/XTFamily/index.asp). It's not quite a freightliner, but close enough.

[chabig]

Rubbish. There is a Jupiter sized gap in Apples product "matrix". They have no desktop for frig sake!
Where else would you sit your iMac?

[Chef Medeski]

Yeah, and that's a great thing for the consumer... Apple will tell you what you need and you'll buy it and like it dammit... :rolleyes:
Now you got it.

All hail Steve Jobs!

[Peace]

For those wondering why Apple came out with the new iMacs today.A Wednesday. It's probably because Steve Jobs didn't want the media to think the keynote was going to be about the 23" iMac..( now 24" )

Get the iMac's out of the way now so the media can speculate on other things.

[BRLawyer]

You really are full of crap, aren't you?

"Most powerful desktop". Ha!

I will leave your personally offensive remarks aside, suggesting instead that you get a transvestite, oops, Dell PC, dude. I am sure you can find a better desktop in their highly confusing webshop. As for Gisele Buendchen, she stays on our side, thanks a lot... :rolleyes:

[Dr.Gargoyle]

So to all of you who said Conroe would be in iMacs -

*points and laughs*

:p
Well, don't put back your camera just yet. If I recall it correct, you never set any time limit when you made your bold statement about Conroe in iMac. My guess is that Conroe eventually will arrive in iMacs...and when it does... we do (sort of) look forward to your promised homemovie. :D

[hdsalinas]

Most average Joe iMac consumers aren't even going to notice that the Core 2 Duo is in their machine, and even if they do, it's probably not going to make that much of a difference running Mail and Safari.

-Obnoxious waiting-for-the-mbp Guy

Neither would you in your MBP.

[daneoni]

As much as im not a fan of the iMacs, the price/performance value is impressive. The 24" on an iMac is a little impractical for me...on a standard display yes ...on an iMac no. If i were to buy one (which i'm tempted to) i'd get the 20" model and max it out. Still i prefer the MacPro. Maybe the family will get one for the new desk in the living area as a central system. Good job Apple, while i knew you'd pick meroms i was hoping you'd go with Conroe especially with a 24" version. Oh well.....

[~Shard~]

Now you got it.

All hail Steve Jobs!

Yeah, you keep drinking that Kool-aid buddy. :p ;) :D

Don't get me wrong, I think the new iMac is awesome. I currently use a G4 iMac myself. I'm just making a case for the Conroe minitower, that's all. ;) :cool:

[Chef Medeski]

Yeah, you keep drinking that Kool-aid buddy. :p ;) :D

Don't get me wrong, I think the new iMac is awesome. I currently use a G4 iMac myself. I'm just making a case for the Conroe minitower, that's all. ;) :cool:
No I completely understand. I think it would be a good idea. I just don't see it happening from an Apple point of view.

Love that Kool-aid.....:p

[~Shard~]

No I completely understand. I think it would be a good idea. I just don't see it happening from an Apple point of view.

Love that Kool-aid.....:p

And I agree - let's just say I would be pleasantly surprised if Apple did indeed release a Conroe mini-tower, emphasis on surprised. ;) :cool:

[iGary]

Well, don't put back your camera just yet. If I recall it correct, you never set any time limit when you made your bold statement about Conroe in iMac. My guess is that Conroe eventually will arrive in iMacs...and when it does... we do (sort of) look forward to your promised homemovie. :D

Technicalities. :D

I did blow it with saying that Wodcrests would not go into MP's, though. :(

[Manic Mouse]

I will leave your personally offensive remarks aside, suggesting instead that you get a transvestite, oops, Dell PC, dude. I am sure you can find a better desktop in their highly confusing webshop. As for Gisele Buendchen, she stays on our side, thanks a lot... :rolleyes:

Just calling a spade a spade, Mr Lawyer. You made a comment that was a lie. The iMac is NOT the "most powerful desktop in the world". Not by a long shot.

If you don't want people to say you're full of crap then don't talk crap. Simple as.

Where else would you sit your iMac?

You know what I mean! :p

What do people buy if they want desktop performance? Apple currently offer NOTHING with desktop performance, it's either mobile or workstation.

[jwa276]

UGH why haven't they updated the MBP's yet?? Apple has totally dropped the ball on this year's college students for sure (at least those looking for apple laptops). My girlfriend is required to buy a MacBook Pro for interior design, and I keep telling her to wait because Merom has got to be right around the corner.

What about the laptops???? MBP's haven't been updated once and iMacs have been getting all the love. Count it!

[wildmac]

Hmmm... positive, but looking for a MacBook bump...


me too. Credit Card firmly in wallet until MB update comes around.

[2nyRiggz]

Apples whole line-up is impressive....All carrying high performance processers and add ons...I'm not in a hurry for the MBP,MB bumps beacause they are already powerful...now the imac and minis get a little bit more....good time to be interested in OSX.



Bless

[Chef Medeski]

me too. Credit Card firmly in wallet until MB update comes around.
Glued to a sticker saying.... only peel off in case of MB update. FOR EMERGENCY APPLE PURCHASES ONLY!


:D

[iGary]

me too. Credit Card firmly in wallet until MB update comes around.

I'm pretty much thinking MB's won't get a bump until January, but that's me. ;) they are next to last in the revision cycle as it currently has been unfolding.

[APPLENEWBIE]

All this makes next week ALL ABOUT IPOD and MOVIES only...

[stephenmckeague]

What do people buy if they want desktop performance?


An Imac.

[Collin973]

MBP's on September 12th are sounding even better and better. Now there's no big iMac to introduce, but there is a macbook pro update that I need to be introduced to!

24" iMac SWEET! If I needed a new desktop, I don't think I'd get one though. I've got a perfectly good 20" FP at home. I guess I'd have to get the MacPro. Darn it :D

[Chundles]

MBP's on September 12th are sounding even better and better. Now there's no big iMac to introduce, but there is a macbook pro update that I need to be introduced to!

24" iMac SWEET! If I needed a new desktop, I don't think I'd get one though. I've got a perfectly good 20" FP at home. I guess I'd have to get the MacPro. Darn it :D

Get the 24" iMac and span with your 20" screen - two monitor goodness!!

[jodders]

This is fantastic, fantastic news! It is so so so cool, and its really made my day. I have been waiting for the imac update and glad that it came around this time. I have been waiting since March and it has been agonising.

Congratulations for those who have been waiting for one. The time has come. Im sure all apple revisions will come in due course,perhaps in time for leopard when it comes out.

Bring on the ipods next week.

Macrumours have been spot on!

[swiftaw]

Not sure if anyone noticed this, but the new Imac does not qualify you for a free ipod using the current educational promo.

[JimNoble]

The system uses some of the 4 GiB of physical address space to map I/O busses and devices.

x86 has had a 64Gb physical address space available for quite a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

Mac OS X on x86 requires PAE AIUI.


I have a 4 GiB Dell D620, but Windows and Linux only see about 3.1 GiB of that due to the I/O space issues. I expect that OSX86 has the same restrictions - since it's a hardware issue.


Don't know about Windows, but Linux can't see all 4Gb because some of it is reserved for the kernel.

http://www.spack.org/wiki/LinuxRamLimits

You can build your own kernel with a custom user/kernel split, eg. I've used one with the reserved kernel space reduced to <0.5Gb...

Jim

[sushi]

An Imac.
What's an Imac? ;) :p :D

FWIW, it's an iMac.

[jacg]

Anyone notice that you can configure a Mac Mini with a 160 GB hard drive. They're 2.5" aren't they? So that suggests 160 GB will be an option in Apple notebooks soon.

I guess that's not really an unexpected move. I only hope that we get a real 2nd Gen MBP with goodies that have developed since the first (rushed out?) attempt. I'd like one right now, but the longer we have to wait, the more optimistic I get.

Things I'd like in a 15" MBP: Easy-change drive/RAM, faster superdrive, FW800, Macbook-style latch & keyboard.

[nungesser]

As a MBP owner who bought a rev1 model right when they came out -- and has been sending it in to fix its many, many problems constantly, and is now seeing it lag behind the iMacs in speed and power -- I feel like I bought a lemon. Thanks, Apple, for pissing in my face.

[MattDell]

Forgive me if this isn't new, but I just noticed that you can order the BT keyboard and mighty mouse as a package for $60 ($54 edu discount). Given that the BT MM alone is $69, this is a great deal.
Where do you see this?

[akadmon]

why does it say 50% faster. i thought merom was only 20% faster than yonah?

The comparison is between a 2.00GHz CD and a 2.33 GHx C2D.

1.4 x faster *(2.00/2.33) = 1.2 x faster at the same clock rating

[Manic Mouse]

An Imac.

With a mobile CPU and GPU. Like I said, what do you buy if you want desktop performance (ie:2.4+Ghz C2D, 4 RAM slots, real GPU, 2+HDD bays)?

The only option is a Mac Pro.

[psyconut713]

i wanted to get a mac mini 1.5 with a superdrive (open it up and mod the Sh.... out of it) but now the low end model does not allow for superdrive upgrade! WTF!

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Is it just me, or a 24" iMac would've been nice to show on stage with whatever that "Showtime" thing might be? That would, at least, have made some sense to at least start by showing that.

Which means the september 12th presentation must be really packed with new stuff if they couldn't even announce the 24" iMac at that event. They've also bumped the CPUs on the Mac mini today, so that makes two updates on the same day too.

It's also weird to see new releases on a wednesday...

...why do people keep thinking it's so weird?

It was Labor Day on Monday. Apple ALWAYS has Wednesday updates on holiday-weeks.

Although if you're not from the U.S....I could see why it would be weird...

[kwajo.com]

And you will still have people saying that isn't enough....


it isn't, I have 4GB now and I still get tons of pageouts by the end of the work day :p

[WildPalms]

May I be the first to say: Where's our desktop?

The Mac Pro dude, the Mac Pro is the desktop.

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Shiny!

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

As a MBP owner who bought a rev1 model right when they came out -- and has been sending it in to fix its many, many problems constantly, and is now seeing it lag behind the iMacs in speed and power -- I feel like I bought a lemon. Thanks, Apple, for pissing in my face.

....:rolleyes:

As everyone says, technology will always get better and better. You should be happy that Apple is updating its computers, so that when you need a new one, you'll get the latest and greatest (it's much better than never updating and having to wait months and months for a puny, pathetic upgrade...)

As for your problems, I'm sorry :( - I haven't had a single problem with my MacBook Pro yet <fingers crossed> :)

[CJM]

... YAYAYAYY!!!!!


I'm so happy right now :)

[zap2]

As a MBP owner who bought a rev1 model right when they came out -- and has been sending it in to fix its many, many problems constantly, and is now seeing it lag behind the iMacs in speed and power -- I feel like I bought a lemon. Thanks, Apple, for pissing in my face.


Get over it..you knew the risks.....I hate when people do this. I have 2 Rev A Macs, one has had 3 problems 2.5years, my Mini has been flawless.

[Manic Mouse]

The Mac Pro dude, the Mac Pro is the desktop.

Funny, I though it was labeled as a workstation. And used workstation parts. And cost as much as a workstation.

My mistake! It's actually a reasonably priced desktop.

... Or not.

[WildPalms]

*next* Tuesday ;)

Merom in the iMacIntel does leave a space in the lineup for the Conroe Mini-Tower.

I swear, you MUST be using that as a running joke. I mean, its just got to be for laughs now, right?

Tell me *next* Tuesday...

[Cinch]

As a MBP owner who bought a rev1 model right when they came out -- and has been sending it in to fix its many, many problems constantly, and is now seeing it lag behind the iMacs in speed and power -- I feel like I bought a lemon. Thanks, Apple, for pissing in my face.

I feel the same way with my black MacBook, which is awaiting a DHL box. I guess there was something behind those who say they'll wait for Rev B, afterall :D .

Cinch

[ju5tin81]

Anyone notice that you can configure a Mac Mini with a 160 GB hard drive. They're 2.5" aren't they? So that suggests 160 GB will be an option in Apple notebooks soon.

I guess that's not really an unexpected move. I only hope that we get a real 2nd Gen MBP with goodies that have developed since the first (rushed out?) attempt. I'd like one right now, but the longer we have to wait, the more optimistic I get.

Things I'd like in a 15" MBP: Easy-change drive/RAM, faster superdrive, FW800, Macbook-style latch & keyboard.


Why though are the MacBook drives so much more expensive on BTO?!? £80 more expensive to go from 60-120 on a MacBook V's the mini... Same drive surely....

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

UGH why haven't they updated the MBP's yet?? Apple has totally dropped the ball on this year's college students for sure (at least those looking for apple laptops). My girlfriend is required to buy a MacBook Pro for interior design, and I keep telling her to wait because Merom has got to be right around the corner.

What about the laptops???? MBP's haven't been updated once and iMacs have been getting all the love. Count it!

eeeeeesh - has Dell even started shipping their Core 2 Duo laptops!?!?!? The iMacs were in greater need of an update than the Macbook Pros (they haven't been selling as well) - now that the iMacs have made the transition, though, I'm sure we'll see some new Macbook Pros by the end of Sept....

[whatever]

May I be the first to say: Where's our desktop?
If you're referring to a Mac Pro, I know that mine shipped last night from CA and is currently in East Boston. Should be here this afternoon and then I can finally connect up my 30" ACD.

[clownfish]

For those who care, here's the prices for the iMacs at the Government Employee discount on Apple's on-line store. (not that they ever really check who is a Government employee or not):

20" = $1410
24" = $1880

CF

[dizastor]

They all still have that big fugly chin. Headless conroe mac and new displays next tuesday?

[Manic Mouse]

I swear, you MUST be using that as a running joke. I mean, its just got to be for laughs now, right?

Tell me *next* Tuesday...

Me and Aiden are working as fast as we can, OK. We'll have them done soon... :p

[poppe]

As a MBP Merom dreamer i feel... well like I dont know how I feel....
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If I was optimistic I would say the must have cleared the iMac out for a reason. Perhaps the new MBP will have a few more changes than just C2D to speak about so they updated iMac got it out and will now use the MBP as a big speaking event along with the iTunes Movie store and stuff...

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Another note, this must mean that the ACD's will eventually jump to 24"?

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And one last thing. No MBP Merom and no crying smiley face to show my expression...

[daneoni]

Hmm, slightly off topic but maybe we'll see a 40" ACD soon with the 30" dropping to the mid-size and the 24" becoming base. Eeek! 40" of estate...thats alot of estate.

[whatever]

*next* Tuesday ;)

Merom in the iMacIntel does leave a space in the lineup for the Conroe Mini-Tower.
Enough already with Mini-Tower crap. It will never happen. Apple does not like to copy the PC world.

Except for swapping out a video card, why would anyone need one! You have two options, an iMac or a Mac Mini.

[jholzner]

What about the laptops???? MBP's haven't been updated once and iMacs have been getting all the love. Count it!

Well, the iMacs haven't been updated once since they were released. This is the first update. The MBPs have been given speed bumps so I don't know what you are talking about. I'm sure the MBPs will be give C2D soon.

[Chef Medeski]

Where do you see this?
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=56747&stc=1&d=1157554536

Under Buy options when you spec out a new iMac or Mac Mini.

[jholzner]

why does it say 50% faster. i thought merom was only 20% faster than yonah?:confused:

From what I understand, it is 20% faster at the same clock speed. They are comparing a 2.0 CD to a 2.33 C2D so maybe that's where the 50% faster stat comes from.

[WildPalms]

So, does anyone want to buy this option with their mac and I'll pay the $60 for both of them. Ok... $70 for your time and shipping. ;)



Well, lets see where would they put it? Between Mac Mini and iMac.... you know in that $200 difference. Or maybe between iMac and Pro Mac.... in that what $300 difference. It seems like the Mac Mini bump and iMac expansion have left no room in the line-up for another Mac. Even with conroes... all speeds, sizes, prices are covered. There isn't room for a Conroe Mac. Period.

They probably aren't even going to use Conroe chips because I bet its a lot more work to redesign the iMac to use Conroe and then set up another supply chain just for Conroe chips when they could just use Merom and Woodcrest solely, it seems to fulfill their line-up well and makes it simpler for logistics.

I bet you a BT Might Mouse we won't see a Conroe Mac in the next 4 months.


Spot on and intelligently put. ;)

[setek]

well, I've ordered my 24" iMac.

Stock-standard, 2-4 days shipping. Well, stock-standard barring the 2 x 1GB Corsair sticks I've already bought to go in it... :P

My first mac :)

[Anonymous Freak]

First, these definitely use Merom, the 'mobile' version of the Core 2 Duo. This means a slower front side bus, lower top-end speed, but lower power consumption as well. (The 2.33 GHz Merom only puts out 35 watts, where the 2.4 GHz Conroe puts out 65 watts. Other than that and the front side bus, there is no other difference between the two chips.)

The low end model appears to be the same as the previous education-only model, only with a Core 2 thrown in. While nice from a cost point of view, it does mean it has 'cut down' Intel graphics instead of even the stock ATI graphics.

The faster 17" model appears to be the exact guts as the previous generation model, with a Core 2 thrown in. It's the 20" and the new 24" models that are interesting.

[milo]

Well, lets see where would they put it? Between Mac Mini and iMac.... you know in that $200 difference. Or maybe between iMac and Pro Mac.... in that what $300 difference. It seems like the Mac Mini bump and iMac expansion have left no room in the line-up for another Mac. Even with conroes... all speeds, sizes, prices are covered. There isn't room for a Conroe Mac. Period.

The iMac isn't a headless mac, so it's not even in the equation. It would go in between the mini and Pro, and fall in the same price range as the iMacs. It's a different product category, might as well say they shouldn't have the iMac since there are already laptops in that price range.

It makes no sense for apple to ignore Conroe, it's intel's best bang for buck right now.

At this point I'm thinking that most updates of current machines will happen before tuesday, maybe the Showtime thing will be when they finally announce a midtower (probably pizza box form factor). Works as a settop box, or any mac can stream to the new Airport video.

And those waiting for MBPs........Start Crying :D :D :D

Nonsense. I still think there's a good chance we see them before tuesday, if not, definitely in the next two weeks.