Apple's September 12th Media Event Roundup

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Try bringing that 42 on a plane. :cool: Apple will do both, tomorrow will bring a streaming solution and higher quality movies. A TIVO box is pointless, an airport can do the same thing cheaper and much more flexibly. I'm not sure why you're so worked up about this, ALL the rumors are saying apple will have a solution for the living room (although it will be an Airport, a new mac model would be secondary), so who exactly are you disagreeing with?
I just cant see a DVR and beefed up Airport Extreme as a "solution". A solution would be a TiVo like Media Mac doubling as an Airport. Some people want to record as well. Note that people outside US, will most likely not be able to buy any movies from the new movie store.

[FreeState]

Im wondering what will happen to iTunes. Right now there is one link to a "Music Store" on the right... this could be changed to:

1) Stays the same
2) Changed to "iTunes Store" (Media Store... Music/Movie Store? :confused: )
3) Make two links, one for "Music Store" and one for "Movie Store" (TV shows in the Movie store and Music Video's in the Music store? :confused: )

If there are two stores in iTunes as a marketing point it would only lead you to the front page of the Music or Movie store, but in reality each "store" link would lead to the same place with the same products (got to have cross selling etc).

Im leaning towards #1...

[milo]

I just cant see a DVR and beefed up Airport Extreme as a "solution". A solution would be a TiVo like Media Mac doubling as an Airport. Some people want to record as well. Note that people outside US, will most likely not be able to buy any movies from the new movie store.

In that case the solution is an airport video plus a tuner unit on your computer. There's your recording feature, it doesn't need to be in the same place as the TV, does it?

[hyperpasta]

Two days ago I woke up and knew the name of the new AirPort device:

Airport Exchange



I have no idea why I thought of it... but I did!

[Doenertier]

Nicely put.

Thanks.

I'm expecting a slick, consumer oriented solution to the video portion of the iTunes music store, but I'm not holding my breath for a 'movie' store or movie rental store solution.

I am no lunge specialist but I wouldn't advise it as it is still a few hours to the announcement. :D

At a compression value I would accecpt, files will still be to big for the internet of today / average power of a computer today / the HD's of today.

Sorry to be a wet blanket. We shall see.

Yes, we shall. Till then, BREATHE! :D

[unemployed]

Remember the whole Asteroid/TS thing a few years ago. Well what if the asterod wasn't a guitar amplifier (which never came and seems pretty odd that Apple went nuts over it) But was atually the movie download service?

Thoughts??



Two days ago I woke up and knew the name of the new AirPort device:

Airport Exchange



I have no idea why I thought of it... but I did!

[BSME]

I'll just put in my .02...

"something new" - means not upgraded to me. according to the available options, i think it's 99% most likely the video iPod (not a next gen, unless the next gen is totally revised, which i can't see...).

everything else on the list would be revisions, including the movie store, as it's basically re-engineered iTunes.


for what it's worth, i hope it is a "video" iPod. the next big thing they're waiting for, and i think it'd dominate as the iPod has.

the only other option i see happening is a stand alone "tivo" like device that can either integrate with current networks in the home, or be used to download movies directly to it. it's the only way i see it being viable as a commercial product. not everyone who owns an iPod would desire owning a mac to "complete" the experience. either way the movies have to be available to PC and Mac users, it just wouldn't make any sense otherwise...


i guess we'll see tomorrow, won't we!

[milo]

"something new" - means not upgraded to me. according to the available options, i think it's 99% most likely the video iPod (not a next gen, unless the next gen is totally revised, which i can't see...).

everything else on the list would be revisions, including the movie store, as it's basically re-engineered iTunes.

An airport with video outputs (and especially remote) would be new.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

In that case the solution is an airport video plus a tuner unit on your computer. There's your recording feature, it doesn't need to be in the same place as the TV, does it?
...and what if you dont have the computer in the same room, or floor even, as your TV? The IR doesn't work that well if you live in a house with brickwalls.
Should I really have to buy an EyeTV or a third party TV-tuner to have a media solution? Isn't Apple about controling the entire "chain" and providing a full solution any longer? Previous attempts of collaberation hasnt proved very successful (read Rokr)
I don't know, you might be correct. I still hope you aren't, but that is just me.

[conradzoo]

Hmmm... what happened to gapless playback? Those were the days.

[milo]

...and what if you dont have the computer in the same room, or floor even, as your TV? The IR doesn't work that well if you live in a house with brickwalls.
Should I really have to buy an EyeTV or a third party TV-tuner to have a media solution? Isn't Apple about controling the entire "chain" and providing a full solution any longer? Previous attempts of collaberation hasnt proved very successful (read Rokr)
I don't know, you might be correct. I still hope you aren't, but that is just me.

You WON'T have the computer in the same room, that's the whole point. The remote will talk to the airport. I don't know if Apple will offer a tuner, and I really don't care that much. A solution is a solution, whether it's from apple or from a third party. What's the big deal about the entire chain? Should apple be selling scanners and printers and cameras? I don't think they need to.

[Clydefrog]

i want merom mbp!! but i really don't think its going to happen tomarrow:(

[babyj]

Isn't the point of Apple launching a movie download store simply to drive sales of hardware?

In which case it means a new iPod with a bigger screen and more storage. Then possibly a seperate way of playing the movies from your Mac or a new Airport streaming box. But then why not just connect the iPod?

For it to really take off though it will need to be able to rip your existing dvds and I'm not sure the film companies would be too happy about that. I've never bought any music from the iTunes store and I doubt I'll ever buy movies either.

I'll buy new iPods and a media streaming system though and that is where Apple make their money.

[J@ffa]

Hmmm... what happened to gapless playback? Those were the days.

Well, you can get it if you set it when importing the CD. But it is a bit stupid you can't normally, really.

[milo]

Then possibly a seperate way of playing the movies from your Mac or a new Airport streaming box. But then why not just connect the iPod?


1 It will be cheaper than the iPod.
2 You'd lose the functionality when someone took the iPod out of the house.
3 You'd have to put all your video on the iPod
4 You'd be stuck with the video quality restrictions of the iPod
5 No remote control
etc

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

So no one thinks there will be updates to the iPod Shuffle, then? :p

[iJawn108]

Conroe MacBooks next tuesday?

Movie Store/New Cinema displays/802.11n media steaming device/maybe.... new iPods.

[J@ffa]

So no one thinks there will be updates to the iPod Shuffle, then? :p

Hahahahahahaha, 3233203920/10!

[mazola]

1) .Mac refresh
2) New 'Get a Mac' ads
3) Select 'Classic' Disney movies available on iTunes (7 titles to choose from, including "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes", "The Apple Dumpling Gang", and "The Boy Who Talked to Badgers")

Oh, and One More Thing:

"your fly's undone"

[wkhahn]

So I will too.

I think the even will go down like this:
First, a brief talk about the uber success of the iPod and iTMS over the past 5 yrs. Iterations of "full" sized iPods; The Mini; The Nano. Kill off the Nano.
Second, intro the iPhone (or whatever they'll call it). 8GB flash capacity. Smart Phone. Will play any QT media files. US$250
Third, Intro Movie service. Disney Co's to start with. Subscription with a purchase option. DVD Quality. Subscription starts at $9/month for 3 movies at a time. Want to download a new movie; it asks if you would like to purchase any of your current content. If not, asks which movie you want to "return". Purchase outright for $13, with converted rentals for $9.99 (requires playcount >=1).
Fourth, True Video iPod. All the stuff thats been discussed. 16x9. same for factor. Touch Sceeen. New Universal Dock. as part of package purchase. $399.
OMT: New dock can stream any QT media from your computer. Front Row built into dock. Dock is a router like flavors of airport. Works with existing iPods and any computer with iTunes 7 and an 802.11g wireless card. Can sync iPods wirelessly too. Stand Alone cost $200.


Thats what I think.

[hagjohn]

hmm.. I would think Showtime (TV - sho.com) would have an issue with Apple's Showtime.

[Leondunkleyc]

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[donlphi]

Any chance we'll ever see a download store for more crappy iPOD GAMES?

Don't get me wrong, I love Music Quiz (try it without your headphones for an added challenge), and Solitaire is a classic, but I wouldn't mind getting even some more crappy games. Tetris would be cool.

Maybe a device that looks like a nintendo controller that allows you to plug into the bottom of your iPOD and then play classic games like Metroid or Super Mario Brothers.

I can't actually create things, otherwise I would be all over this stuff.

Is there already a place I can get these wonderful devices?

[HecubusPro]

hmm.. I would think Showtime (TV - sho.com) would have an issue with Apple's Showtime.

Possibly, but doubtful considering the word/phrase has been around a lot longer than the Showtime cable channel. Additionally, if the service is called "It's Showtime," even less of a problem. However, this event is probably just titled "It's Showtime" and that name will not be branded with what will ultimately be offered. It's just the title they've given the press event tomorrow and nothing more. But that's just a guess.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

You WON'T have the computer in the same room, that's the whole point. The remote will talk to the airport. I don't know if Apple will offer a tuner, and I really don't care that much. A solution is a solution, whether it's from apple or from a third party. What's the big deal about the entire chain? Should apple be selling scanners and printers and cameras? I don't think they need to.
The big deal about the entire chain is that you know all pieces work seamlessly. This has been one of Apples big selling points since the end of the clones.
I do understand that you wont have the computer in the same room. That is my point exactly. I am not so sure how seamless it will work when the IR is going to communicate with the Airport and the Airport is via WiFi is going to communicate with my Computer which in turn is going to talk to a third party device. I dont know about you, but I can see a lot of snags in that chain.
It strikes me as slightly less cumbersome if the IR is communicating with a Media Mac and then... nothing more.
Moreover, the network will be slow as molasses when you try to stream a movie via WiFi. The network will more or less be unavailable for anything else during the entire time you watch the movie.

[iJawn108]

I have what is allegedly the fastest residential internet connection in Canada. 4.3 mb/s :eek:I know of 10mb/s

[Zwhaler]

All I want is an iPod Nano. :cool:

[1984]

Extremely unlikely. Or i`d say it`s impossible. We`ll definitely get DVD quality(atleast as an option). But my guesses are 720p will also be offered to those with a really really FAT internet pipe. Fat enough to fill a human body I guess:D .

You're way too optimistic. Remember when everyone thought Apple was going to announce a wireless AV box that connected to a stereo and/or television complete with Front Row interface? What did we get? We got the iPod HiFi. Prepare to be disappointed.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

All I want is an iPod Nano. :cool:
Just that??? I want tons of cool gadgeds but I am most likely not going to get them. The iPhone is a very high up on my wishlist, so is a Media Mac...
I will most likely just get the joy of seeing Apple introduce movie sales in US. :rolleyes:

[sonicboom]

Not to add onto the whining about merom notebooks, but I thought people a little while back were saying they'd be coming on the apple event on the 12th...:confused:

The rumor on this forum was that Core 2 Duo updates for Macbook Pro were expected in August... but you're supposed to forget when such predictions are wrong. :p

[holycat]

feW hoURsssssss to come~~~~~

hehehehhehe:D :D :D :D :D :D

hohohohoho

i want new iPOD together with my new 24`inCh iMac

[piltupso]

Well I guess I would have to say hoping for laptop updates rather than expecting. :rolleyes:

[Fredou51]

I have what is allegedly the fastest residential internet connection in Canada. 4.3 mb/s :eek:
Really?? I live out of town in Ontario and I don't have access to DSL or cable High speed internet so I have wireless High speed internet and I get 7 mb/s. The problem is I only have 20GB of monthly transfer though.
Fred

[Fotograffiti]

I would be happy if it was in aluminium and in black to allow better cooling. But that would be mighty fine.

Would be nice with a usb and firewire port in front as well.


How would making it black make it cool more efficiently? *L*

[kpanda]

You're way too optimistic. Remember when everyone thought Apple was going to announce a wireless AV box that connected to a stereo and/or television complete with Front Row interface? What did we get? We got the iPod HiFi. Prepare to be disappointed.
Yeah, I hear that. I'm still waiting for my Apple Receiver...
http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemocksmall.png (http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemediamockup.png)

[iJawn108]

How would making it black make it cool more efficiently? *L*
Uhh it wouldn't lol

[timmillwood]

There is somthing happening on iTunes 2morrow but i dont know what.

I work for a record label and i was unable to put songs on iTunes this week bacause of somthing apple was bringing out, so i have to wait until next week.

I would think it would be movies but you can get them posted to you faster than you can download them.

[Peace]

Yeah, I hear that. I'm still waiting for my Apple Receiver...
http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemocksmall.png (http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemediamockup.png)

THAT would be cool!

[danielwsmithee]

You WON'T have the computer in the same room, that's the whole point. The remote will talk to the airport. I don't know if Apple will offer a tuner, and I really don't care that much.I agree. Frankly I don't see Apple providing any type of tuner/recording feature. They want you to purchase your content from the iTunes store. I agree with them as well. I want an "Airport Showtime" that outputs 480p with Component Video connectors, and an Apple Remote with Frontrow interface. I really don't care how the content is captured since I am going to be ripping from DVD's I purchase or content purchased from iTunes.

I don't think the bandwidth is there for 720p or 1080p yet. If you want HD on your TV and have HDMI or DVI you have probably already purchased a mini anyways.

[sisyphus]

Yeah, I hear that. I'm still waiting for my Apple Receiver...
http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemocksmall.png (http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemediamockup.png)

Needs a firewire hookup as well... Since all the DVRs on the market are supposed to have one so should this puppy.

No DVD player though. Apple will want to save $$$ and reduce the cost by not including one (besides everybody already has one and Blue-Ray/HD-DVD is just around the bend).

Basically right though...;)

[danielwsmithee]

Yeah, I hear that. I'm still waiting for my Apple Receiver...
http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemocksmall.png (http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemediamockup.png)
Looks perfect except for it doesn't need a built in DVD player!! It is also missing Component Video connectors, I assume those vertical ports are supposed to be HDMI and mini-DVI?

[avkills]

What? No HMDI? Component Video? That mockup would be a major letdown if it did not have the above video outputs.

-mark

[CHROMEDOME]

Looks perfect except for it doesn't need a built in DVD player!! It is also missing Component Video connectors, I assume those vertical ports are supposed to be HDMI and mini-DVI?

No, the 2 verticals ports are 1 usb and the power imput.

That thing is stupid, no HD connections and no need for a dvd player.

[mrdice87]

"one more thing..."


12" Macbook Pro

[brepublican]

I know of 10mb/s
Wow, thats lightning fast! You must like, live on a hill or something :eek:

IT'S SHOWTIME!!! :D

[danielwsmithee]

Needs a firewire hookup as well...What would the point be? The thing does not have any internal storage if it is streaming from your computer correct, just RAM for buffering. On second thought it would be cool if you could connect a firewire HD to it and be able to play any movies it found on the hard-drive.

Also I can't tell if the round connector is S-Video out or an analog cable connector for capturing I assume S-Video because the thing doesn't look large enough for a hard-drive.

[danielwsmithee]

No, the 2 verticals ports are 1 usb and the power imput.

That thing is stupid, no HD connections and no need for a dvd player.
Oh thanks when I clicked on the image the first time I got no response from the larger image so I was only looking a the tiny thumb. Now it works! Your right the current configuration is stupid.

What is the point of the two different audio ports? Isn't one enough? It should just have an optical connector, Audio R, Audio L, S-Video, RCA Video (Yellow)/Component Y, Component Pb, Component Pr, HDMI, Ethernet and no DVD.

[kpanda]

What? No HMDI? Component Video? That mockup would be a major letdown if it did not have the above video outputs.

-mark

Well, before everyone starts in on it...that was made quite a long time ago. It was just a stripped down mini that was marketable as a simple "all your media in one place without a computer" thing. I wanted that for like the last 4 major events...

[babyj]

I know of 10mb/s

The fastest I've seen in the UK is 24mb/s, unlimited usage for £24 a month.

Lots of providers offer 8mb/s and upwards in the UK.

[jumpflip]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jumpflip/240987501/

My Guess...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jumpflip/240987501/

[Teddy's]

Possibly, but doubtful considering the word/phrase has been around a lot longer than the Showtime cable channel. Additionally, if the service is called "It's Showtime," even less of a problem. However, this event is probably just titled "It's Showtime" and that name will not be branded with what will ultimately be offered. It's just the title they've given the press event tomorrow and nothing more. But that's just a guess.

From Google search, 1st hit:
IT's Showtime
IT's Showtime! Switch on the best IT events. ... IT's Showtime! Switch on the best IT events. Select a country. Blockbuster of the Month, RSS. top border ...
www.microsoft.com/emea/itsshowtime/default2.aspx - 36k - 10 Sep 2006 - Cached - Similar pages

[Multimedia]

Just in case you overlooked the Kentsfield Thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2821463#post2821463), Tom's Hardware got hold of a Kentsfield and put it through major benchmarks published yesterday.

Intel's Core 2 Quadro Kentsfield: Four Cores on a Rampage (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/10/four_cores_on_the_rampage/page2.html).

I now predict a 85% chance the C2Q Mac will be unveiled no later than mid November.

See my Post Page 7 #168 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2821463&postcount=168) for photographs and further comments about this amazing news. This drops a BOMB on the entire situation as we perceived it before this report. :eek:

Am I the only one who thinks this is huge news?Awesome, but sucks for those who bought Mac Pros?:eek:Yes. That's my point. Thank you for noticing. Perhaps for those who just bought new iMacs as well.You're insane my friend. Rich.Please explain what you mean by that.I love you.Why?Yes, you are the only one who think's it's amazing news.How can this be?Hahaa...No offense but thats exactly what I was thinking.Why do you agree with Rich? I don't understand why you don't think this sets a new paradigm? Core 2 Quadro will be for sale in Retail Stores Mid-October. That is ONE MONTH from now. That means Core 2 Quadro systems will begin selling at retail by November at the latest. That's not big news? I was expecting December. Weren't you?

When did you all think Core 2 Quadro systems would begin selling at retail?

[FreeState]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jumpflip/240987501/

My Guess...

Thats cool... looks very not apple in the fonts used but the ideas are all great:)

[DavidCar]

Lets say that tomorrow Apple comes out with an Airport Express with an HDMI port. Does that mean they can require the display connected to it to use HDCP, or High Definition Content Protection? In that case, would there be some displays, those without HDCP that would not be able to play the movies? Or would the HDMI Airport Express be limited to streaming only those movies that do not require HDCP?

Don't the new HD DVDs use HDCP? If so, then if someday I could put a BluRay drive in my computer for playing HD movies, the HDMI Airport Express would need HDCP in order to stream those movies. Or would the HDMI Airport Express not be able to stream BluRay movies?

But if the HDMI Airport Express was unlimited, so that it could stream movies that were HDCP or not HDCP, downloaded movies or HD DVD or BluRay movies, then since the Apple stand alone displays are not HDCP compliant, then HDCP movies would not be playable on them.

So isn't that a reason to possibly see new Apple Displays tomorrow, HDCP compliant with built in ISight and infrared remote compliant?

Just a thought.

[EagerDragon]

I dont see the point of the movie rentals, I do not believe they can compete with a 2 to 4 dollar rental at BlockBusters.
I also don't see the point of buying a movie that has to be played from a specific computer when a physical DVD can be placed on any computer and on any standard DVD and can be lended to friends for them to watch, and on top of that cost about the same amount.

What am I missing here? Why people want it so bad, I don't understand.

[FreeState]

I dont see the point of the movie rentals, I do not believe they can compete with a 2 to 4 dollar rental at BlockBusters.
I also don't see the point of buying a movie that has to be played from a specific computer when a physical DVD can be placed on any computer and on any standard DVD and can be lended to friends for them to watch, and on top of that cost about the same amount.

What am I missing here? Why people want it so bad, I don't understand.

I want it for the rentals. If they let me rent a movie for less than $5 and good for a week streamed to my TV, Im all over it. I pay $12 to Netflicks right now, and only watch one or two movies a month. Id save money and time. besides I can pick what ever movie I am in the mood for - with Netflicks, sure I have a choice, but what ever they send me I have to watch or send back to get another one. Sometimes Im just too lazy to drive to Blockbuster... or its late at night etc...

[EagerDragon]

I want it for the rentals. If they let me rent a movie for less than $5 and good for a week streamed to my TV, Im all over it. I pay $12 to Netflicks right now, and only watch one or two movies a month. Id save money and time. besides I can pick what ever movie I am in the mood for - with Netflicks, sure I have a choice, but what ever they send me I have to watch or send back to get another one. Sometimes Im just too lazy to drive to Blockbuster... or its late at night etc...

So if I read this correctly, for you is the ability to select the movie at a moment notice and the convinience of 7/24 store open. Hard to say how long the download will be good for. But at BlockBusters is 2 to 5 days for the 2 to 4 bucks.

Hope it works for you and that tomorrow you get all you want and more.
Thanks for explaining your situation.

[kbonnel]

I want it for the rentals. If they let me rent a movie for less than $5 and good for a week streamed to my TV, Im all over it. I pay $12 to Netflicks right now, and only watch one or two movies a month. Id save money and time. besides I can pick what ever movie I am in the mood for - with Netflicks, sure I have a choice, but what ever they send me I have to watch or send back to get another one. Sometimes Im just too lazy to drive to Blockbuster... or its late at night etc...

I agree, if the price is right, and they provide a mechanism to play the movie on my HT setup down stairs, with 5.1 surround (DD or DTS), and at least 480P quality, I would probably use it once in a while.

I do use netflix a lot, so I get my monies worth there, and I wouldn't stop using it. The itunes movie rental would only be if I really wanted to see something right now. (minus the download time of course)

If the rentals, however, don't meet my video/audio requirements, then I will pass.

Kimo

[UmaThurman]

Just in case you overlooked the Kentsfield Thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2821463#post2821463), Tom's Hardware got hold of a Kentsfield and put it through major benchmarks published yesterday.

Intel's Core 2 Quadro Kentsfield: Four Cores on a Rampage (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/10/four_cores_on_the_rampage/page2.html).

I now predict a 50% chance the C2Q Mac will be unveiled tomorrow. And if not tomorrow no later than early November.

See my Post Page 7 #168 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2821463&postcount=168) for photographs and further comments about this amazing news. This drops a BOMB on the entire situation as we perceived it before this report. :eek:

Am I the only one who thinks this is huge news?


Awesome, but sucks for those who bought Mac Pros?:eek:

[MacGuy88]

How long does it usually take from the day a new Apple product is revieled and it appears in Apple Stores?

I'm wondering if I should order my new touchscreen iPod online with fast shipping or wait (however long) until they show up at the Apple store. :p :D

[FreeState]

How long does it usually take from the day a new Apple product is revieled and it appears in Apple Stores?

I'm wondering if I should order my new touchscreen iPod online with fast shipping or wait (however long) until they show up at the Apple store. :p :D

It depends, sometimes they have new products that moment in an apple store. Why not just head down to the apple store and if they have none, order it on one of the computers in the store:) That way you got your bases covered :p

[MIDI_EVIL]

Just in case you overlooked the Kentsfield Thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2821463#post2821463), Tom's Hardware got hold of a Kentsfield and put it through major benchmarks published yesterday.

Intel's Core 2 Quadro Kentsfield: Four Cores on a Rampage (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/10/four_cores_on_the_rampage/page2.html).

I now predict a 50% chance the C2Q Mac will be unveiled tomorrow. And if not tomorrow no later than early November.

See my Post Page 7 #168 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2821463&postcount=168) for photographs and further comments about this amazing news. This drops a BOMB on the entire situation as we perceived it before this report. :eek:

Am I the only one who thinks this is huge news?

You're insane my friend.

Rich.

[MacGuy88]

true.

but i have a swim meet tomorrow that will go 'till late.

I sold my iPod to a friend a while ago (just before Apple's 30th) going on the rumors a new one was right around the corner. I lost.

[iGary]

You're insane my friend.

Rich.

I love you.

[EagerDragon]

How long does it usually take from the day a new Apple product is revieled and it appears in Apple Stores?

I'm wondering if I should order my new touchscreen iPod online with fast shipping or wait (however long) until they show up at the Apple store. :p :D
Most times if they say available now, it is already in the store or the next day. Maybe I am lucky that my store most times have them. However sometimes they don;t seem to know they have it. Once I asked about it after they keynote and they told me they did not have them yet, I came back an hour or two later and asked a different guy and he got me one. Sometimes they are lazy or clueless. There was no delivery in those 2 hours.

[EagerDragon]

I know some of you want a wireless steup.
However I would rather have a media center Mac with cablecard, HDMI, DVD burner, and 2 Ethernet ports. I can connect a large NAS over a private network and the home network on the other Ether port. With the cablecard I can get rid of the cable box so I can change channels directly instead of a cludge to make the cable box change channels. I can then record TV programs and rip DVD's to the NAS and use Front Row to play direct off the cable, the NAS, or anything else being shared in the home network from my other Macs. Now that will be sweet.

[paradillon]

That's what I want. At least 50" I'll hang it on my living room wall, front row will look good on a large panel display. :)

[brisully]

Am I the only one who thinks this is huge news?

Yes.

[coffey7]

I hope they will come out with a ipod video player with a 3.5-4" widescreen.

[lessthandmb]

Yes.

Hahaa...No offense but thats exactly what I was thinking.

[drater]

I just hope its new ipod socks...that would be sweet! :D

[iJawn108]

Sadly I have work and although i have net access even though my boss is an apple man he will not understand my need to look. :p

Tomorrow will be hard to keep focused im so excited.

Anyways merry showtime eve everyone. :p

[quadrakid]

Its 11:40am in Australia and id like to get my hands on a new 8gb ipod nano!

macbook updates would be nice but i dont see it happening.

[EagerDragon]

I hope they will come out with a ipod video player with a 3.5-4" widescreen.

Whatever we are going to get, will be discovered in a few hours. Then some can gloat and some can cry, LOL.

I can use an iPod Video 3.5 Inch screen size with full PDA capabilities and a phone, but that may wait until summer or longer.

Going full left field just for fun, LOL....... iTablet for designers and photographers, you can edit on the screen with no need for mouse, keyboard, or anything else. You can doodle, write, edit photos, post processing, film editing, etc. Like I said left field, LOL

[Multimedia]

Hahaa...No offense but thats exactly what I was thinking.I put all your replies up on the original Post #302 above (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2821628&postcount=302) with my comments. Do you all get that Core 2 Quadro Systems will begin selling at the retail level in early November? :eek:

I am not guessing. I am reporting what Tom's Hardware reported yesterday in that article.

[rworne]

Dunno the original source, but it's got nanos in different colors. Damn photog cropped of the first digit in the song capacity too.

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/src/nkbb20060912083346.jpg

See here if hotlinking is blocked:

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/

(warning, some photos on site may be NSFW)

[EagerDragon]

Dunno the original source, but it's got nanos in different colors. Damn photog cropped of the first digit in the song capacity too.

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/src/nkbb20060912083346.jpg

See here if hotlinking is blocked:

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/

(warning, some photos on site may be NSFW)

The one of the girl in front of the keyboard is better than the iPod Nanos.

[mambodancer]

Interesting but if you try to link to:

http://www.apple.com/movies/

you get...

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /movies/ on this server.

It may mean nothing but when you try to link to other, nonexistant pages you are usually redirected to:

Looking for something at Apple.com?
The page you tried was not found. You may have used an outdated link or may have typed the address (URL) incorrectly. You might find what you’re looking for in one of these areas:

I was redirected to that page when I typed: http://www.apple.com/videos/

[rjc]

Do you all get that Core 2 Quadro Systems will begin selling at the retail level in early November?

I think it's much more likely that Apple will keep this press conference focused on the products they have ready to ship (e.g., movie store, new iPods) and have another press conference for the Core 2 Quadro systems, in late October / early November.

Last year's multiple-press-conference format worked out rather well for Apple; it kept them in the press for most of the fall. Announcing products they'll be shipping in two months wouldn't just be useless; it would actually have a negative effect on sales.

[berkleeboy210]

Since MacRumors noted in this article that Access to this event is getting more restricted. does that mean we will not have live text update coverage? Engadget doesn't even mention anything about Live Coverage either.

If anyone has any news please reply

[Multimedia]

I think it's much more likely that Apple will keep this press conference focused on the products they have ready to ship (e.g., movie store, new iPods) and have another press conference for the Core 2 Quadro systems, in late October / early November.

Last year's multiple-press-conference format worked out rather well for Apple; it kept them in the press for most of the fall. Announcing products they'll be shipping in two months wouldn't just be useless; it would actually have a negative effect on sales.Yeah you're right. I'm getting too excited about the Core 2 Quadro Press Event that will prolly be announced another 6-8 weeks out. Thanks for the reality check. :)

[sisyphus]

I dont see the point of the movie rentals, I do not believe they can compete with a 2 to 4 dollar rental at BlockBusters.
I also don't see the point of buying a movie that has to be played from a specific computer when a physical DVD can be placed on any computer and on any standard DVD and can be lended to friends for them to watch, and on top of that cost about the same amount.

What am I missing here? Why people want it so bad, I don't understand.

i would use it in a flash! Most of the time I go to Blockbuster the movie I really want to rent is all out or maybe not available at that location if it is an older title. Then I have to stand in line for 15min on a Friday/Saturday night. Drive back to my place.

if I could come home from work hit download, go get ready, meet my girlfriend at the door, eat in or out, then just go over sit down and watch a couple of movies that I'd rented/downloaded with her - that would rock!

An extra hour ± with my girl is more than worth the extra buck that I would pay. Additionally I would actually get to watch a movie that we both WANTED to see instead of something that was simply "good enough." (Please Apple do NOT put "Shall we Dance" on the system, I'm begging you! ;)) We'd also save $$$ on fuel, get more time to talk or take a nice walk in the park... you get the idea.

On the other hand I have ZERO interest in purchasing movies online unless there is a steep discount over the hard copy... and maybe not always then. Something tangible in ownership is sometimes nice.

That is why as a rental service this would be absolutely perfect!

Now all that being said, since I live in Canada I should get the opportunity to do this in another 3 years. :mad:

[FreeState]

Damn photog cropped of the first digit in the song capacity too.

Blown up in Photoshop it is a 1 (the pixels are not remotely close to a 0).

Its a made up ad if you ask me... look at the names of the colors... that and "coming soon" - never seen Apple do that... That or an add for a cover for your iPod

[Zadillo]

Dunno the original source, but it's got nanos in different colors. Damn photog cropped of the first digit in the song capacity too.

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/src/nkbb20060912083346.jpg

See here if hotlinking is blocked:

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/

(warning, some photos on site may be NSFW)

Those color names seem to be identical to the ones Colorware uses (i.e. that Red nano is labeled "Ferrari"). Almost positive that Apple would not use Ferrari (I doubt they even could, given Ferrari's relationship with Acer).

Pretty sure Cotton Candy and Alpine and Carbon are also all color names that Colorware uses.

EDIT: Yup: http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/Col_nano_comb.aspx

-Zadillo

[ccreighton]

Regarding the Itunes Movie Store, I know there seems to be two parties: one for movie downloads, and one against. I also see the reasons for both. But has anyone thought of what the possibilities could be, for instance imagine being at home on a friday night and being able to download a new theatrical release right there at home. 14.99 isn't a bad price to own the movie and see the film the day it opens. This would really revolutionize the way we see films and challenge the DVD market. As a matter of fact, Disney wanted to do something similar when Chicken Little came out in theatres but the theatre chains pushed back very hard. They planned on releasing DVD's same day as the film released in theatres. That makes me think that there might be a possibility of this occuring in a digital format instead. How nice would it be to stay at home and download the new releases you want to see. No more people talking on their phone during the best part of the movie, no more missing a portion of the movie due to the fact you have to go to the bathroom. I've been waiting for this for awhile and hope something like this occurs. I can see this creating a boom for the digital market. Since we all know that the theatrical market is dying, slowly but surely.

What does everyone think?

[AidenShaw]

Yeah you're right. I'm getting too excited about something that will prolly be announced another 6-8 weeks out. Thanks for the reality check. :)
Intel's next big announcements are in two weeks (http://www.intel.com/idf/us/fall2006/index.htm?iid=HMPAGE+Sub_06ww35_C). There will be lots of quad-core and octo-core announcements then.

Before October, however, Apple will need to release the New Form Factor 64-bit Conroe Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-PC™ - since Kentsfield won't fit into the ProMacIntel motherboards.

They'll have to have the dual-core mini-tower first, before they can upgrade it to a quad-core! Otherwise, the Dell quad-core systems (Kentsfield) will be half the price of the Apple quad-core (dual Woodcrest).

And how will Apple deal with the fact that the much cheaper Kentsfield Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-Pizza-Box will outperform the enormous ProMacIntel?

Things are very interesting now that the Master Control Freak is no longer in control!

[Zadillo]

Regarding the Itunes Movie Store, I know there seems to be two parties: one for movie downloads, and one against. I also see the reasons for both. But has anyone thought of what the possibilities could be, for instance imagine being at home on a friday night and being able to download a new theatrical release right there at home. 14.99 isn't a bad price to own the movie and see the film the day it opens. This would really revolutionize the way we see films and challenge the DVD market. As a matter of fact, Disney wanted to do something similar when Chicken Little came out in theatres but the theatre chains pushed back very hard. They planned on releasing DVD's same day as the film released in theatres. That makes me think that there might be a possibility of this occuring in a digital format instead. How nice would it be to stay at home and download the new releases you want to see. No more people talking on their phone during the best part of the movie, no more missing a portion of the movie due to the fact you have to go to the bathroom. I've been waiting for this for awhile and hope something like this occurs. I can see this creating a boom for the digital market. Since we all know that the theatrical market is dying, slowly but surely.

What does everyone think?

At this point Hollywood is still way too freaked out about anything close to those kinds of simultaneous releases. They are really concerned about any possibility of anything conflicting with theatrical runs of movies.

Steve Soderbergh and Mark Cuban tried to do something like this last year, releasing his movie "Bubble" in theatres and on DVD at the same time. But Hollywood as a whole is probably a long way from considering this. They are looking for more reasons to get people to go to theatres, not something to give them less of a reason to do so.

Now, from a consumer standpoint I do like the idea of it; get to see a movie without having to deal with the crowds, and get to own a copy so I can watch it as many times as I want - perhaps a variation on your idea where you pay $8 or $9, the cost of a movie ticket, and can then pay $6-7 more if you decide you want to keep it.

-Zadillo

[robotx21]

The ipod ad is a fake. If you look at the very bottom under "coming soon" it says something to the effect: "Until then, click this picture to ..." That seems like an old ad for colorware put up behind the girl.


EDIT: Search google and it is a fake!

http://www.jairoboudewyn.com/blog/?p=160

This picture was elsewhere depicting colorware's product.

[rworne]

Those color names seem to be identical to the ones Colorware uses (i.e. that Red nano is labeled "Ferrari"). Almost positive that Apple would not use Ferrari (I doubt they even could, given Ferrari's relationship with Acer).

Pretty sure Cotton Candy and Alpine and Carbon are also all color names that Colorware uses.

EDIT: Yup: http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/Col_nano_comb.aspx

-Zadillo

That's why I posted it here. You all are more jaded about this about this than I am.

[modernpixel]

I think it'll have to be in baby steps. Apple is going to have a tough time convincing studios to release movies for download the same day they come out on DVD. So, convincing them to release movies for download the same day they arrive in the theater will be a huge hurdle (not because it isn't perfectly possible - but because Hollywood is SO political). However, if Apple sells them in HD, I would also really love to be able to catch some new releases at home (though I love the public aspect of real theaters, so it wouldn't be a replacement).

I am actually much more interested in the idea of renting movies. I'd rather spend $5.00 for the ability to download rentals on demand - my local video store has little to nothing, and Netflix is great but it takes 3 days to get my movie. Being able to start a download when I leave for work and have it ready to watch when I get home would be amazing. If I'm going to own a movie I want the actual DVD (I can always make copies for my iPod if, for some reason, I want to go blind watching it that way).

If Apple does HD movie downloads, they will trump both the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats and will come out shining.


Regarding the Itunes Movie Store, I know there seems to be two parties: one for movie downloads, and one against. I also see the reasons for both. But has anyone thought of what the possibilities could be, for instance imagine being at home on a friday night and being able to download a new theatrical release right there at home. 14.99 isn't a bad price to own the movie and see the film the day it opens. This would really revolutionize the way we see films and challenge the DVD market. As a matter of fact, Disney wanted to do something similar when Chicken Little came out in theatres but the theatre chains pushed back very hard. They planned on releasing DVD's same day as the film released in theatres. That makes me think that there might be a possibility of this occuring in a digital format instead. How nice would it be to stay at home and download the new releases you want to see. No more people talking on their phone during the best part of the movie, no more missing a portion of the movie due to the fact you have to go to the bathroom. I've been waiting for this for awhile and hope something like this occurs. I can see this creating a boom for the digital market. Since we all know that the theatrical market is dying, slowly but surely.

What does everyone think?

[modernpixel]

Odd you should mention Bubble, I just finished watching it 15 minutes ago. It was enjoyable, it's improvisational dialogue was painfully realistic. A very interesting experiment in how to make a movie.

Sadly, I don't think Bubble's day and date DVD and Theater release did much to pique Hollywood's interest. Couple that with Snakes on a Plane making much less than expected, despite insane viral Internet hype and I think Hollywood is going to be very gun shy indeed about doing anything in that realm.

Though if anyone has the clout, it's Apple - their iTunes saved an industry...well, that might be an exaggeration - but it certainly taught them a thing or two.



Steve Soderbergh and Mark Cuban tried to do something like this last year, releasing his movie "Bubble" in theatres and on DVD at the same time. But Hollywood as a whole is probably a long way from considering this. They are looking for more reasons to get people to go to theatres, not something to give them less of a reason to do so.

[ccreighton]

At this point Hollywood is still way too freaked out about anything close to those kinds of simultaneous releases. They are really concerned about any possibility of anything conflicting with theatrical runs of movies.

Steve Soderbergh and Mark Cuban tried to do something like this last year, releasing his movie "Bubble" in theatres and on DVD at the same time. But Hollywood as a whole is probably a long way from considering this. They are looking for more reasons to get people to go to theatres, not something to give them less of a reason to do so.

Now, from a consumer standpoint I do like the idea of it; get to see a movie without having to deal with the crowds, and get to own a copy so I can watch it as many times as I want - perhaps a variation on your idea where you pay $8 or $9, the cost of a movie ticket, and can then pay $6-7 more if you decide you want to keep it.

-Zadillo


Yeah I'm sure you're right on that. Hollywood is a stagnant bunch of hillbillies, trying to figure out a way to make more money, even when it stares them directly in the face.

Now about that "Bubble" movie...we both know that sucked. Did you go see it in either format, or did any of your friends. Probably not. Remember the Matrix and what it did for DVD's. That's all this needs, is some movie to Champion the digital distribution and with Steve Jobs with so much stake in Disney, he may have more sway that direction. We'll have to see. (more than likely not, but I can only hope). Imagine a Pixar movie being brought directly to digital distribution as well as theatrical same day. Talk about money maker. It could easily double the first weekend amounts. Or imagine Pirates 3. Every family would go check it out in the theatre or download it. Or both, just to own it.

I'll hope it until it happens.

-ccreighton

[heffemonkeyman]

If Apple does HD movie downloads, they will trump both the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats and will come out shining.

X-Actly!

Tomorrow: 480p, 720p and 1080p movies for purchase and wireless box with DVI, Compontent and S-Video Out and IR Remote with Updated Front Row.

(Y'all know that if you have a HDMI HDTV, you can use a DVI>HDMI cable for video and optical for audio, no DRM, no fuss, no muss)
:)

[manzano]

Dunno the original source, but it's got nanos in different colors. Damn photog cropped of the first digit in the song capacity too.

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/src/nkbb20060912083346.jpg

See here if hotlinking is blocked:

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/

(warning, some photos on site may be NSFW)


This Picture is DEFINITELY fake.

•Look at the edges of the girl in the picture. It's blurry--Result of poor masking in photoshop.
•Look at the girl's hair in front of the "poster"--parts are floating from nowhere, again from terrible masking.
•The "poster" itself has no sort of glare on it at all.

This is poor photoshopping and it saddens me that anyone fell for it.

[Multimedia]

Intel's next big announcements are in two weeks (http://www.intel.com/idf/us/fall2006/index.htm?iid=HMPAGE+Sub_06ww35_C). There will be lots of quad-core and octo-core announcements then.

Before October, however, Apple will need to release the New Form Factor 64-bit Conroe Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-PC™ - since Kentsfield won't fit into the ProMacIntel motherboards.

They'll have to have the dual-core mini-tower first, before they can upgrade it to a quad-core! Otherwise, the Dell quad-core systems (Kentsfield) will be half the price of the Apple quad-core (dual Woodcrest).

And how will Apple deal with the fact that the much cheaper Kentsfield Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-Pizza-Box will outperform the enormous ProMacIntel?

Things are very interesting now that the Master Control Freak is no longer in control!Zactly. And explain how the RAM for the Conroe systems will cost less than half what the Mac Pro RAM costs. Looking more and more like good things will come to those who wait.

[danieleran]

While waiting for Apple's announcements, here's some great analysis of why Apple's in the lead, where online movie sales are going, and why Apple isn't threatened by Amazon:

Why Apple is Winning in Media Downloads
http://digg.com/apple/Why_Apple_is_Winning_in_Media_Downloads

A Visual Comparison of CD, DVD, HD and iTMS Downloads
http://digg.com/apple/A_Visual_Comparison_of_CD_DVD_HD_and_iTMS_Downloads

The Apple iTMS vs Amazon Unbox Rivalry Myth
http://digg.com/apple/The_iTMS_vs_Amazon_Unboxed_Rivalry_Myth

[Detlev]

I think we can safely assume that Tuesday will bring updates to iTunes, possibly the iPod line, and maybe an accessory or two. Those hoping for new MBPs or otherwise are going to be disappointed.

Look, it was all over the news last week that Apple and Amazon wil be doing downloadable movies. It seems Disney will once again lead the pack by joining Apple while other studios will retain a certain control of pricing by going with Amazon at first. News details were rather scarce but there seemed to be a need of some ironing of details before tomorrows announcement. In any case, with that bubble burst Apple would/should host a media event to introduce another (read new, not a simple update) piece of hardware especially since it is being fed over seas. This would also imply that whatever service they may introduce it will be available, at least in a limited format, to more than one iTunes store (read Europe).

As with previous iTunes/iPod updates we only need to check the iTunes store in the a.m. If the store has not been updated to include this weeks new releases and free downloads we can assume that the update will be available after the announcement, as has been the case with previous iTunes/iPod announcements.

[JoshH]

Odd you should mention Bubble, I just finished watching it 15 minutes ago. It was enjoyable, it's improvisational dialogue was painfully realistic. A very interesting experiment in how to make a movie.

Sadly, I don't think Bubble's day and date DVD and Theater release did much to pique Hollywood's interest. Couple that with Snakes on a Plane making much less than expected, despite insane viral Internet hype and I think Hollywood is going to be very gun shy indeed about doing anything in that realm.

Though if anyone has the clout, it's Apple - their iTunes saved an industry...well, that might be an exaggeration - but it certainly taught them a thing or two.

Yeah, I loved Bubble... and I thought the release plan was really cool (it was the only way I would have been able to see it). More imagination/invention on the delivery and availability of content is going to awesome as it continues to grow more mainstream... It'll allow more indie projects like Bubble to have a larger platform. That's definitely a great thing.

[jakalsden]

iTMS...iTunes Media Store, its simple. They will provide Movies & Music. New Nano...? Nup... New 6G Video iPod (With Widescreen)...? Nup... Perhaps a wireless streaming video device... Next year maybe... Why so much hype for just a few movie downloads, iTMS (iTunes Media Store) and iTunes 7, New displays...? An Apple Media Center...? An Apple TV...?

I will let yur imagination run wild...

[chuckiej]

Lemme throw in another possible piece of evidence. Most shows are on summer hiatus. Two (that are done in HD) are not. They are Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. (If you guys know of other ones drop the names). iTunes has not posted new episodes of these shows since Episode 6. Episode 8 just aired last week. Perhaps they are being delayed so that new higher resolution versions can come out for the new iPod. Again, if my theory is correct any other currently airing HD shows should have had their episodes' release delayed on iTunes for the past 2-3 weeks. Takers?

[berkleeboy210]

Where's Kevin Rose when you need him? If i recall correctly, he's got the last few MacWorld Keynote's completely right, the morning of the event on his blog.

[Frobozz]

Dunno the original source, but it's got nanos in different colors. Damn photog cropped of the first digit in the song capacity too.

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/src/nkbb20060912083346.jpg

See here if hotlinking is blocked:

http://www.delabit.com/nekobaba/

(warning, some photos on site may be NSFW)

Well, it's fake. The nano shots are lifted directly from colorware.com ... so you can dismiss this as complete bunk.

[Konradx]

nice find! I hope those arent just some stickers avialable by some third party company

edit: Read the bottom part. Looks like exactly what it is. Thirs party stuff

[p0intblank]

I'm not getting my hopes up for a true iPod video tomorrow, but it would be very nice and unexpected. It's just that the rumors for it have been very light lately. If anything regarding the 5G iPod happens, it would be larger capacities and a new feature or two.

I would love to be proven wrong, though. :)

(I just can't imagine Apple holding a press event for a movie store. There has to be more.)

[M@netic]

powerbook G5

[p0intblank]

powerbook G5

Dude... that is so last generation. :rolleyes:

Anyway, is anyone else excited about what Apple's new Movies application will look like (if there is one)? I can't wait to see how it looks. I'm hoping for a very cool movie theater-like GUI.

[kugino]

This Picture is DEFINITELY fake.

•Look at the edges of the girl in the picture. It's blurry--Result of poor masking in photoshop.
•Look at the girl's hair in front of the "poster"--parts are floating from nowhere, again from terrible masking.
•The "poster" itself has no sort of glare on it at all.

This is poor photoshopping and it saddens me that anyone fell for it.
did anyone mention the inconsistent color scheme of the nanos? all red, all pink, and then the green one has a black scrollwheel? :rolleyes: awful fake.

[Chundles]

did anyone mention the inconsistent color scheme of the nanos? all red, all pink, and then the green one has a black scrollwheel? :rolleyes: awful fake.

Mate, the poster is not a fake. It's an ad for Colorware - a company that specialise in custom colours on electronics including the iPod and various Macs.

[Zadillo]

did anyone mention the inconsistent color scheme of the nanos? all red, all pink, and then the green one has a black scrollwheel? :rolleyes: awful fake.

(already established as fake, but I have to say this:)

Yeah, because of course Apple wouldn't do something crazy like have inconsistent color schemes....

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1107/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/cp_ipodshelf_con_060530.gif

:)

-Zadillo

[mi5moav]

If the news from the press is true that only Disney signed on this is going to be pathetic. Why even launch now, its going to make Apple a laughing stock. Something doesn't make sense... and if that is a fact that the damn studios wouldn't give a little then this GREED is going to kill this country. SAD DAY TOMORROW.

[scotto07]

...but with out world stores, it will be the US who will be enjoying it..
Isn't that all that matters? :D :D :D

[p0intblank]

If the news from the press is true that only Disney signed on this is going to be pathetic. Why even launch now, its going to make Apple a laughing stock. Something doesn't make sense... and if that is a fact that the damn studios wouldn't give a little then this GREED is going to kill this country. SAD DAY TOMORROW.

Didn't the iTunes Music Store start with only a few TV shows onboard? Exactly. Things like this take time. This is Apple we're talking about. Steve knows what he is doing.

[chuckiej]

Dude... that is so last generation. :rolleyes:


Dude... This has been a long-running joke on the MacRumors forums. Everytime a new annoucement comes someone suggests it is the PowerBook G5. I still find it quite funny..
:D

[Zadillo]

Didn't the iTunes Music Store start with only a few TV shows onboard? Exactly. Things like this take time. This is Apple we're talking about. Steve knows what he is doing.

Exactly. Look, this is what we're going to have; you're going to have Disney and maybe some smaller studios on the Apple service with more reasonable pricing, and then you're going to have the rest of the studios on Amazon's service with pricing equal to the DVD's amazon sells (because Amazon nor the studios want to sell them for less than what a DVD costs).

You're going to end up with something where the Apple model, even with fewer options, ends up looking more appealing.

pointblank is exactly right; the iTunes Music Store started off selling only a handful of TV shows (I think just 4 shows). I'll admit at the time it seemed sort of lackluster to me (only four shows? only a handful of episodes of each?). But more people have jumped on board once they saw that Apple had it right. Meanwhile, what have we heard from other things like Google Video's TV shows for download? Not much.

Granted, we don't know much yet about what Apple's pricing will be, whether they'll have a rental option, etc.

-Zadillo

[scotto07]

You also forgot the iPhone, the Newton 2, the Conroe mid-tower, the new Apple iCredit Card, and the iGlasses Cinema Display mini. :rolleyes:

the iCredit Card sounds awesome :) :eek:

[mdntcallr]

lets hope macrumors finds a way for someone with a smart cell phone to message in notes realtime

[DarkRail]

Lemme throw in another possible piece of evidence. Most shows are on summer hiatus. Two (that are done in HD) are not. They are Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. (If you guys know of other ones drop the names). iTunes has not posted new episodes of these shows since Episode 6. Episode 8 just aired last week. Perhaps they are being delayed so that new higher resolution versions can come out for the new iPod. Again, if my theory is correct any other currently airing HD shows should have had their episodes' release delayed on iTunes for the past 2-3 weeks. Takers?

I've noticed the same thing, but in Apple's Movie Trailers section. There hasn't been a new trailer posted since September 1st, which is about the same amount of time as you mention in those TV shows.

YES, I know movie trailers have been available in HD for some time now, but maybe they're holding back waiting for some new format [possibly a newer, better form of compression] or some new delivery method, or some new presentation method, so that there are a slew of new trailers to watch with their fancy new [something].

Which is great, because I'm definitely in the market for a fancy new [something].

[Chundles]

lets hope macrumors finds a way for someone with a smart cell phone to message in notes realtime

Presuming everything happens as it has before, macrumorslive.com will be broadcasting notes from the event, auto-updating every 60 seconds.

It's tops.

[ieani]

im stuck at work without internet access, is anyone here willing to text me if there are any big announcements, like a new ipod? if so, PM me. thanks!

[chuckiej]

I've noticed the same thing, but in Apple's Movie Trailers section. There hasn't been a new trailer posted since September 1st, which is about the same amount of time as you mention in those TV shows.


Nice. I could do with a new [something] too.

Here's Apple's email when I asked about the Stargate episodes:

Dear Chuck,

I'm sorry that you have not received your newest episodes of "Stargate SG-1". I thank you for letting us know that has still not been updated yet.

Sincerely,

Not very informative...

[BIS2]

Just talked to my Mom who said "so they are coming out with a new iPod tomorrow" and I said HUH?? How do you know?? (she's not exactly into that sort of thing)......she said she read it in a David Pogue article recently in the NYT, she couldn't remember what day. I did a quick internet search and couldn't find it. She didn't remember positively if it said they were coming out tomorrow or soon, or if he was just guessing in the article. Anyway, just thought it was interesting.

[kugino]

(already established as fake, but I have to say this:)

Yeah, because of course Apple wouldn't do something crazy like have inconsistent color schemes....

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1107/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/cp_ipodshelf_con_060530.gif

:)

-Zadillo
touché ;) although it's not inconsistent since the U2 is a special edition model which almost requires a different color scheme. now, if the black nano had a red scrollwheel, THAT would be inconsistent...

[mazola]

• A big disappointment

[sisyphus]

• A big disappointment

Considering the iMac and Mini update last Tuesday, the only big disappointment is going to be that Apple is not going to release everything, it is going to release between now and Christmas, tomorrow.

It will (should) be very good to excellent. But there is only so much one computer company can possibly do at once. :rolleyes:

Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to testing the nanobot neural 2007 iBrain design. :D

[z-man]

http://www.apple.com/movies : currently goes to "403 - Forbidden"
http://www.applecomputer.com/movies : same
http://movies.apple.com : currently goes to "apple.com"
http://movies.apple.com/movies : currently goes to "apple.com/trailers/"


Why couldn't Apple turn an iMac into a Television (black/silver-30"), and stream movies to it using updated Quicktime tech? ...and just use a FrontRow interface? Attach a "video" iPod to the side (sorta like on an iMac) and you can then take your movies with you.

Let's see what Quicktime H.264/5 can really do, right?

Sell more computers, sell more viPods, and sell some iTVs.

[corywoolf]

I really expect it to be a mixture of a let down and goodness. There is likely going to be new nanos, I work at the 5th Ave. CompUSA and can tell you that we are out of almost all the nanos. That never happens, we are also out of the iSight, both the 5th Ave. and SoHo Apple stores are too. We are also out of all the Shuffles too. Expect to see new nanos and an iSight. Of course the Video Store rumors are all but confirmed, so expect a rename of the Music Store to something more fitting, as well as iTunes 7.0.

Definitely:
- iPod G6 (most likely 16x9)
- Movie Downloads

Possible:
- nanos (higher capacity, new look)
- iSight (higher resolution, much smaller form factor, connect to iPod)
- iPod line division (Dedicated Music iPod vs. Video iPod)
- iTunes 7.0
- Airport Express with Video (Showtime)
- New iPod Shuffle or discontinuation

Unlikely:
- iPod G6 with WiFi for mobile downloads and iChat video conferencing (with optional iSight attachment)
- High Def. movies
- MacBook Pro w/ Merom

Now for a guess of the pricing:
2 GB nano: $129.99
4 GB nano: $199.99
8 GB nano: $249.99

60 GB iPod Video: $299.99
80 GB iPod Video: $399.99

[mahonmeister]

I'm more excited about this then WWDC. *hopes to spend losts of money on new toys* :D

[sisyphus]

I'm more excited about this then WWDC. *hopes to spend losts of money on new toys* :D


Well i think everybody got exactly what should have been expected at a DEVELOPER conference.

You know, even though it is 7ish months after the last Apple event, Apple is finally going to make use of the iPod HiFi. The new Airport Extreme/Express/Exchange/External/Exude/Excel/Ex-Spouse... will probably have an optical out which will mesh nicely with the optical in on the HiFi...

Still wouldn't buy one, but hey it is true! :D

[swingerofbirch]

I just suddenly had a thought:

TVs with built in front row

built in wireless to get media from your macs

[brepublican]

I really expect it to be a mixture of a let down and goodness. There is likely going to be new nanos, I work at the 5th Ave. CompUSA and can tell you that we are out of almost all the nanos. That never happens, we are also out of the iSight, both the 5th Ave. and SoHo Apple stores are too. We are also out of all the Shuffles too. Expect to see new nanos and an iSight. Of course the Video Store rumors are all but confirmed, so expect a rename of the Music Store to something more fitting, as well as iTunes 7.0.

Definitely:
- iPod G6 (most likely 16x9)
- Movie Downloads

Possible:
- nanos (higher capacity, new look)
- iSight (higher resolution, much smaller form factor, connect to iPod)
- iPod line division (Dedicated Music iPod vs. Video iPod)
- iTunes 7.0
- Airport Express with Video (Showtime)
- New iPod Shuffle or discontinuation

Unlikely:
- iPod G6 with WiFi for mobile downloads and iChat video conferencing (with optional iSight attachment)
- High Def. movies
- MacBook Pro w/ Merom

Now for a guess of the pricing:
2 GB nano: $129.99
4 GB nano: $199.99
8 GB nano: $249.99

60 GB iPod Video: $299.99
80 GB iPod Video: $399.99
I like it! Hope you are spot on and that some of the 'possible's are actually unveiled. Counting the hours...

[z-man]

What if you had a modified iMac, called an "iTV", with a built-in camera so that you could video conference, while you watch a movie stream together? I don't know how...but man, that would be cool.

Maybe stream an iLife project...from any computer to any other computer (with your side being the "cooler" iTV)?

C'mon, let's think "big" here!

: - )

[sisyphus]

I just suddenly had a thought:

TVs with built in front row

built in wireless to get media from your macs

Not yet... The Apple Movie system will need to become far more ubiquitous before any TV manufacturer will start incorporating that. It is far easier to provide a box that will hook-up to any TV until it dominates the market like the iPod does music.

Maybe in 3-4 years someone like Panasonic will pay a royalty and integrate Apple's movie device into their TVs.

[B. Hunter]

Developing a movie store is interesting. But I don't think it will catch my attention. A lot of hype is put into recent movies and current TV series. That mostly has to do with today. What about the past? There are many TV series in the United States and Canada that were never released on DVD. The same can be said about movies as well.

There are generations of fans out there waiting for the opportunity to see older shows again. Hopefully some day they will be available on the internet for download. A lot of current TV programs and crap coming out of Hollywood are not worth watching these days. Just my opinion but I'm sure there are others that feel this way.

Networks, studios, and production companies should realize that there is money to be made from older programming. If they don't spend the money on DVDs, make them available over the internet.

For people like me, what's old is new again.

[z-man]

There are generations of fans out there waiting for the opportunity to see older shows again. Hopefully some day they will be available on the internet for download. A lot of current TV programs and crap coming out of Hollywood are not worth watching these days. Just my opinion but I'm sure there are others that feel this way.



http://www.liketelevision.com ?

[Donz0r]

That's go to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
1. Everyone already HAS TVs
2. Nobody wants to replace their TVs
3. 30''? That would only attract a certain audience. Many people have TVs much larger than 30 inches.
4. There's so many different TVs out there with so many different features. You cant just throw a tv tuner on a 30inch iMac and expect people to replace their TVs.
5. A much more plausable option would be a macmini like media center that plugs into an existing television
6. I can't believe I'm actually typing a response to this post. Your iTV is the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.

Are you 14?





http://www.apple.com/movies : currently goes to "403 - Forbidden"
http://www.applecomputer.com/movies : same
http://movies.apple.com : currently goes to "apple.com"
http://movies.apple.com/movies : currently goes to "apple.com/trailers/"


Why couldn't Apple turn an iMac into a Television (black/silver-30"), and stream movies to it using updated Quicktime tech? ...and just use a FrontRow interface? Attach a "video" iPod to the side (sorta like on an iMac) and you can then take your movies with you.

Let's see what Quicktime H.264/5 can really do, right?

Sell more computers, sell more viPods, and sell some iTVs.

[SactoGuy18]

1. The iPod Nano will be replaced by a new model (slightly larger than the Sandisk Sansa e200 series player) that uses a new, scratchproof metallic case and larger scratchproof display. Flash memory storage capacities will be 8 GB, 6 GB or (possibly) 4 GB, with a future model arriving in January 2007 with 12 GB storage capacity.

2. The iPod Shuffle will be replaced by a new model in a scratchproof case that now includes a small LCD display to show song title and time information. Flash memory storage capacities will be 2 GB, 1 GB and maybe 4 GB.

3. The hard disk-based iPods will switch to a scratchproof metallic case and scratchproof display. Hard disk storage capacities will now be 80 GB and 40 GB.

4. Apple will demonstrate (but not ship) the true "video iPod" with a large screen and touch screen controls. It will have a hard disk storage capacity of 80 GB and 120 GB. The player will not ship until January 2007.

5. Apple will upgrade the iTunes software for better ease of use and also to better support paid video downloads.

[Chundles]

1. The iPod Nano will be replaced by a new model (slightly larger than the Sandisk Sansa e200 series player) that uses a new, scratchproof metallic case and larger scratchproof display. Flash memory storage capacities will be 8 GB, 6 GB or (possibly) 4 GB, with a future model arriving in January 2007 with 12 GB storage capacity.

2. The iPod Shuffle will be replaced by a new model in a scratchproof case that now includes a small LCD display to show song title and time information. Flash memory storage capacities will be 2 GB, 1 GB and maybe 4 GB.

3. The hard disk-based iPods will switch to a scratchproof metallic case and scratchproof display. Hard disk storage capacities will now be 80 GB and 40 GB.

4. Apple will demonstrate (but not ship) the true "video iPod" with a large screen and touch screen controls. It will have a hard disk storage capacity of 80 GB and 120 GB. The player will not ship until January 2007.

5. Apple will upgrade the iTunes software for better ease of use and also to better support paid video downloads.

1. No, Apple won't make the nano larger.

2. Possibly but I doubt it.

3. That would be nice.

4. Good lord no, if there's one thing Steve tries desperately to cling to it's his notion that a product should ship as soon as possible after announcement, Apple aren't going to kill their iPod sales just to show off the next gen version of the player.

5. Maybe.

[z-man]

Are you 14?

Hey, let's not get personal here, I'm just a "mac-head" speculating like everyone else.

Everyone replaces their TV at some point (especially nowadays), just as they do cellphones...and look how excited people get about the possibility of an iPhone!

I appreciate your thoughts and your opinions -- but don't you sort of see a natural progression with screen sizes, I mean what will really separate a TV from a computer in a few years (or tomorrow-lol, you never know)? You can already hang the 24" iMac on the wall -- I'd say that's pretty close.

Remember the 5 gig iPod? -- gotta start somewhere! : - )

[wizard]

Nano's will surprise everybody. I suspect 4, 8 & 12 Gig bytes maybe even 16. such sizes would drastically increase demand for such a product. Well atleast they would in my case, as I want a large solid state storage device. I would not be surprised if we find a video enabled nano, much lke has been rumored for the IPhone.

Some place in there the IPhone will come to market, I'm suspecting at least 12 giga bytes of storage in that device. 12 at the low end as I suspect that this will be more of a multifunction device with big demands on storage.

I would not be surprised if the new "nano" and the Iphone where different variants of the same device. That is the Nano will be nothing more than a slim IPhone with very similar features. Wild speculation but that is how I would do it.

I have very much designed the ideal cell phone / multi functional device in my head and know exactly what I'd want to see in it. Hoping Apple has taped into my dreams.

************************
As to the shuffle who cares? The only way I'd take interest in that is if the storage capacity and the price point made it somewhat competitive with memory sticks as that would be the primary usage in my case.

**********************
I'm not sure what Apple is up to with video but I do hope that the codec's support better video than the iPod screen supports. Specifically I want to see downloads that will drive HD video displays. I realize there is the huge size / quality trade off here, but what is the sense in downloading a movie if it can't play well on a TV or PC monitor or laptop for that matter? I know this is a time problem for downloads but, low quality will lead to a big flop for Apple. Of course old television shows won't be a problem.

**********************
As far as disk based video players, I see IPod sized devices as being a failure. Mainly because old eyes need a big screen. This does not appear to be doable with the current industry form factor for the iPods. So expect a video specific player of some sort. I'd like to see something about 4x6 but holding a 16:9 capabilty.

Why close to 4x6 you may ask. Simple it is the common size to exchange / share pictures and such. Not to big and not to small. If you want a larger display the avenue to follow would be a laptop. With the price of laptops so low it would be hard to justify a limited device with a 14 inch screen. Even the standard iPods currently made are to small for sharing pictures much less videos.

Dave

[Donz0r]

Hey, let's not get personal here, I'm just a "mac-head" speculating like everyone else.

Everyone replaces their TV at some point (especially nowadays), just as they do cellphones...and look how excited people get about the possibility of an iPhone!

I appreciate your thoughts and your opinions -- but don't you sort of see a natural progression with screen sizes, I mean what will really separate a TV from a computer in a few years (or tomorrow-lol, you never know)? You can already hang the 24" iMac on the wall -- I'd say that's pretty close.

Remember the 5 gig iPod? -- gotta start somewhere! : - )

Sorry, I guess I'm just in a bad mood. But people don't replace their TVs except Once every 7-10 years. If you spent a couple grand on a 40'' plasma, would you buy a 30'' LCD that's also a mac....when you've never even used a mac (95% of computer owners)

Speculating is fun, but keep it reasonable!

[sisyphus]

That's go to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
1. Everyone already HAS TVs
2. Nobody wants to replace their TVs
3. 30''? That would only attract a certain audience. Many people have TVs much larger than 30 inches.
4. There's so many different TVs out there with so many different features. You cant just throw a tv tuner on a 30inch iMac and expect people to replace their TVs.
5. A much more plausable option would be a macmini like media center that plugs into an existing television
6. I can't believe I'm actually typing a response to this post. Your iTV is the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.

Are you 14?

You know while it may not have been the best idea on the board, it certainly wasn't the worst I've seen either.

No need to be a jerk.

[z-man]

Speculating is fun, but keep it reasonable!

I hear you. But I don't know, I mean...Christmas is coming up, I could see buying something for a family member -- especially if they are far away, and "iChat" with them like the Jetsons from their living room....and send them some pictures or a movie in real-time. You know, for a "non" computer user -- someone who might only understand a tv (on/off -- lol).

It would be cool at least! Hook it up to our "Apple Hi-Fi"--maybe that's what the freaky handles are really for...some kind of freaky "base" for a really thin monitor or something.

Again, just speculating...and it's fun!

[n-abounds]

Why close to 4x6 you may ask. Simple it is the common size to exchange / share pictures and such. Not to big and not to small. If you want a larger display the avenue to follow would be a laptop. With the price of laptops so low it would be hard to justify a limited device with a 14 inch screen. Even the standard iPods currently made are to small for sharing pictures much less videos.

Dave

Please learn the difference between "to" and "too". Perhaps you're just tired.

[B. Hunter]

http://www.liketelevision.com ?

Great!!!
Thanks for this link.
Did not know it existed.
Has a lot of good shows but not all of them.

[z-man]

Great!!!
Thanks for this link.
Did not know it existed.
Has a lot of good shows but not all of them.

No problem! It uses a lot of "realplayer" I think, but I remember using it a few years ago (I like some of the old shows too)! If I remember correctly, you can download most of the shows on there (no DRM!).

I've wondered too why Apple does not have more older shows available in iTunes -- there's surely got to be some demand for them. People buy songs they remember, why wouldn't they buy [shows] they remember too?

But who knows? They are always adding tv shows, and maybe tomorrow they'll somehow begin adding movies!

[SactoGuy18]

1. No, Apple won't make the nano larger.


I have to disagree here. A slightly larger replacement for the Nano allows for the following: 1) a stronger, scratchproof case, 2) a larger scratchproof display and 3) more space inside the case for a slightly larger battery and 8 to 12 GB of flash memory storage. I'd say the case will be 1.5 mm larger in width and height and 1 mm larger in depth.

I doubt a 16 GB flash memory iPod due to the cost of using that much flash memory per player.

4. Good lord no, if there's one thing Steve tries desperately to cling to it's his notion that a product should ship as soon as possible after announcement, Apple aren't going to kill their iPod sales just to show off the next gen version of the player.

I have to disagree because this "true video iPod" will be a much more expensive device than you think. I'll guess US$550 for the 80 GB player and US$650 for the 120 GB player. As such, my suggested 80 GB and 40 GB hard disk-based iPods will sell for US$399 and US$299, respectively.

[B. Hunter]

No problem! It uses a lot of "realplayer" I think, but I remember using it a few years ago (I like some of the old shows too)! If I remember correctly, you can download most of the shows on there (no DRM!).

I've wondered too why Apple does not have more older shows available in iTunes -- there's surely got to be some demand for them. People buy songs they remember, why wouldn't they buy [shows] they remember too?

But who knows? They are always adding tv shows, and maybe tomorrow they'll somehow begin adding movies!

Great point!
For now Apple is playing the modern-hip angle to attract customers.
I am one of those older mac users out there. Please Apple, consider older shows for downloads. They are just as memorable as music!

[mensrea]

Disney and New viPod.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7MNkU.36h8k&refer=news

[DrFrankTM]

Possible:

- iSight (higher resolution, much smaller form factor, connect to iPod)



I really like the idea. An iSight small enough to clip on your iPod to film stuff and record it straight to your iPod's hard drive would be pretty cool, I think. It'd still be an add-on though. Maybe Apple will integrate one in an iPod/iPhone a little further down the road instead. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Cue]

So the Paris Expo has already started. No news to report from over there? :/

[Chundles]

So the Paris Expo has already started. No news to report from over there? :/

Doubt it, Apple aren't announcing anything in Paris.

The eyes of the tech media are on San Fran right now.

[Coolerking]

They've GOT to have SOME major announcement in Paris, no?

[Chundles]

They've GOT to have SOME major announcement in Paris, no?

Nope. They aren't announcing anything in Paris. Just a booth and current product. No Keynote, no press conference, nothing.

All the goodies are coming out of San Francisco in about 7 hours.

[Coolerking]

Nope. They aren't announcing anything in Paris. Just a booth and current product. No Keynote, no press conference, nothing.

All the goodies are coming out of San Francisco in about 7 hours.

Well that's pretty weak then...

[The Grood]

All the goodies are coming out of San Francisco in about 7 hours.


7 hours!!! That's 25200 seconds. :eek:


25199... 25198...25197

[Chundles]

Well that's pretty weak then...

Meh, they've got no obligation to announce anything. They're basically going with two big shows and a few Special Events during the year. All of them in San Francisco.

[Coolerking]

Meh, they've got no obligation to announce anything. They're basically going with two big shows and a few Special Events during the year. All of them in San Francisco.

I know they don't need to announce anything, but it would have been nice to spread out the news among 2 shows. It would look like an avalanche of new products/info. They didn't even need to show new product. Some new features in Leopard would have been cool. Got the public's appetite wet for the big announcements later today. Of course, after they released the new Imacs that got many people's attention...

[daneoni]

All this hype/rumors...soo exhausting to stay on top of. Whatever comes out, chances are i wont be able to afford it...well except an iPod i've got an offer for my G5 iPod. Laptop updates, if any, wont really be my cup of tea as i'm moving to a desktop mac for my next purchase. ITMS and all counterparts will be non-existent since im a UK user.

[bshort]

Disney and New viPod.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7MNkU.36h8k&refer=news

Down with vi.

Emacs rules!

[ckeck]

Apple store is being updated ;)

[corywoolf]

"I really expect it to be a mixture of a let down and goodness. There is likely going to be new nanos, I work at the 5th Ave. CompUSA and can tell you that we are out of almost all the nanos. That never happens, we are also out of the iSight, both the 5th Ave. and SoHo Apple stores are too. We are also out of all the Shuffles too. Expect to see new nanos and an iSight. Of course the Video Store rumors are all but confirmed, so expect a rename of the Music Store to something more fitting, as well as iTunes 7.0.

Definitely:
- iPod G6 (most likely 16x9)
- Movie Downloads

Possible:
- nanos (higher capacity, new look)
- iSight (higher resolution, much smaller form factor, connect to iPod)
- iPod line division (Dedicated Music iPod vs. Video iPod)
- iTunes 7.0
- Airport Express with Video (Showtime)
- New iPod Shuffle or discontinuation

Unlikely:
- iPod G6 with WiFi for mobile downloads and iChat video conferencing (with optional iSight attachment)
- High Def. movies
- MacBook Pro w/ Merom

Now for a guess of the pricing:
2 GB nano: $129.99
4 GB nano: $199.99
8 GB nano: $249.99

60 GB iPod Video: $299.99
80 GB iPod Video: $399.99"

Pretty darn close, eh? A little off on the pricing, otherwise almost spot on. :eek: Guess I'm just a good guesser?

[kpanda]

Yeah, I hear that. I'm still waiting for my Apple Receiver...
http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemocksmall.png (http://www.mindrepanda.com/img/applemediamockup.png)
Thank you Apple.