iPod Updated

[MacRumors]

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Apple today announced an update to its full-sized iPod line (http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html). Among the enhancements are new games (Bejeweled, Cubis 2, Mahjong, Mini golf, Pac Man, Tetris, Texas Holdem, Vortex, and Zuma), Gapless playback (#1 request according to Jobs), a 60% brighter display, and longer battery life. The new iPod is available immediately in the following models:

30 GB: $249
-Black or White
-14 hr music playback, 4 hr slideshow, 3.5 hr video

80 GB: $349
-Black or White
-20 hr music playback, 6 hr slideshow, 6.5 hr video

[spicyapple]

80GB iPod seems like the only model with good value/price ratio. :D The home sync feature is an especially nice touch, something people predicted since the 2G iPods.

[LaMerVipere]

I hope Apple releases an iPod software update so those of us who already own 5th generation iPods can take advantage of all these new features.

[crap freakboy]

I was expecting more....but I'm a 'glass half empty' sort of fella

[Fredo Viola]

I'm very happy about the gapless playback, and battery life, but generally all these updates are pretty disappointing.

[richard4339]

I hope Apple releases an iPod software update so those of us who already own 5th generation iPods can take advantage of all these new features.


From what I saw in the presentation stuff, 5G iPods get everything software related; movies, gapless playback, and games.

[mcmadhatter]

I hope Apple releases an iPod software update so those of us who already own 5th generation iPods can take advantage of all these new features.

so do I, because I bought a game thinking it would work with my 5th generation ipod and it doesn't :(

[Kardashian]

I hope Apple releases an iPod software update so those of us who already own 5th generation iPods can take advantage of all these new features.

Exactly what I'm hoping.. I bought my 5G like 3 weeks ago, the only real difference is the software, I don't use videos enough to notice the brighter screen.

[2nyRiggz]

So is this ipod still a 5G or 5.1G.....well this ipod is not the big news of the day.




Bless

[QCassidy352]

all good improvements, but pretty disappointing considering that the 5G was approaching 1 year since release.

[BlizzardBomb]

Exactly what I'm hoping.. I bought my 5G like 3 weeks ago, the only real difference is the software, I don't use videos enough to notice the brighter screen.

Pretty sure new iPod is still classed as 5G.

iPod games are compatible with fifth generation iPods only

[Tommyg117]

Pretty sure new iPod is still classed as 5G.
I was wondering about that too. These are all great upgrades though. I'm very pleased with this keynote.

[patseguin]

Are these enhancements in software, so my existing 5G iPod video will reap the benefits of games, gapless, movies, etc.?

[Proud Liberal]

I just called 2 of my local (Northern Virginia) Apple retail stores, and the 80GB iPods aren't in stock as of yet. Looks like it will be a few days until they show up. Apple's online store shows shipping times of "1-3 days". :(

[floydian0777]

where did the student pricing go? i guess there was an overall drop, but I was hoping to use my discount one more time before graduating

[macsnjets]

Now what do I do, I've been waiting since Christmas and this is what I get..UGGGHHHH ? Where is my widescreen iPod Steve ?

[bokdol]

80GB iPod seems like the only model with good value/price ratio. :D The home sync feature is an especially nice touch, something people predicted since the 2G iPods.


what do you man by home sync... i missed lot of info. and i could not find anything on that...

[Sean7512]

Do the "older 5G" ipods support the new tv shows (640x480) and movies???? I don't care about the new search and such...Im just wondering about the movies and games.

[brad.c]

I feel vindicated in my 60GB 5G purchase a few months back, particularly since I got it on sale. If I can upgrade the software, I'm all chuckles. Besides, I've almost never found the screen brightness an issue.

I do wish I could ultra-boost the audio on-board. Some of the video digitizations I have are too quiet.

[askthedust]

I'm in the same boat, just bought mah-jong for my video ipod and it won't drag in. and itunes says my software is "up to date":mad:

[amols]

Disappointment...What can I say!! May be I was expecting too much :(

[gauriemma]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?

[afields]

let the whining begin

[patseguin]

Disappointment...What can I say!! May be I was expecting too much :(

Yeah, I wanted to see the phone that was rumored (phone, iPod, remote control, etc.).

[gauriemma]

where did the student pricing go? i guess there was an overall drop, but I was hoping to use my discount one more time before graduating

The new 'pod pricing seems to be at the old Education Store levels anyway. So basically they got rid of it for students and gave it to everyone.

[xfiftyfour]

that's too bad that the new iPods aren't very... new.

i like the 80gb, though.. and hold 'em.. heh.

[Speedracer04]

and what exactly is the gapless playback...I guess I missed that. Im a little disappointed by the conference...i mean the new iTV isnt even available until next year...blah

[TheKrillr]

so do I, because I bought a game thinking it would work with my 5th generation ipod and it doesn't :(

Make sure your iPod got updated to software revision 1.2, and that you're using iTunes 7.0.

[rosalindavenue]

80GB iPod seems like the only model with good value/price ratio. :D T

I respectfully disagree. As someone who paid $399 for a 3G 30 gig (in May 04), $250 for a color, game playing, long-battery life 30 gig seems like a screaming deal.

[vansouza]

I for one am stoked.. will upgrade my G5 when ever and get the new G5 when I can. Soon.. that iTV bit is too totally cool... want one...

[macenforcer]

let the whining begin


I hate when a smarta$$ lays in with this post. We'll whine if we want to. YEAH!

[gauriemma]

and what exactly is the gapless playback...I guess I missed that. Im a little disappointed by the conference...i mean the new iTV isnt even available until next year...blah

"Gapless" means no more little micro-pauses between tracks. You'd only notice it if you were listening to a live album or something like "Abbey Road" where the tracks segue into one another.

[savar]

what do you man by home sync... i missed lot of info. and i could not find anything on that...

Yeah what's going on at MR? I had a meeting today that directly overlapped this event, I expected to have a recap to read. Is it possible to even see the MRLive stream? I'm confused. Any big announcements today? 80GB ipod sounds cool..at $350 is it cheaper than the previous 5th generation? I could swear the 60GB was $400. If so, this is a nice update...if somewhat lackluster when juxtaposed with the wild rumors we've been seeing for months.

Edit: apple.com is missing the big image in the middle. its 3:32 pm EST. what on earth is going on?

[pianoman]

for me, the hardest part will be deciding whether or not to go with the 30 or go with the 80. i'll have to check it out at the store when they get them in stock.

i'm not sure if i want to keep my nano just because...

decisions, decisions

[jessica.]

I feel vindicated in my 60GB 5G purchase a few months back, particularly since I got it on sale. If I can upgrade the software, I'm all chuckles. Besides, I've almost never found the screen brightness an issue.

I do wish I could ultra-boost the audio on-board. Some of the video digitizations I have are too quiet.
I am with you 100%. I am very happy with the updates and love the green nano! I was going to buy a nano so I can get the nike package, but I was only going to get the 1gb for $149. Now I'd get the 2gb for $149 but they don't offer colors so now I'm going to get the 4gb...completely uncessary for me and what I want it for (jogging and gym) but I want green!

[erikamsterdam]

Why oh why are they priced 289 and 399 Euro's in The Netherlands? Who comes up with these stupid high prices here at Apple in Europe? :mad:

[amols]

Album art browsing is beautiful. Now that's one more reason to get art cover for all the songs in my library.

[flinstone]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Yezzzzsss What a soft news. not even HD movies!!!!!! Really bad....
What's with the the ipods? Again a mini ipod but thinner :confused: And still the same real ipod but with a different screen that they probably could buy cheeper..wtf! I thought thinks should go forward in Apple land??? And than this........!!Only Disney!! Pfffff. (And then they announced the 24" imac in silence! :D :D :D :D )

[briansolomon]

I very much would like to have seen the prices remain the same and include an AC adapter again.

[ReanimationLP]

The headphones look different on the specs page, new earbuds mayhaps?

[jcshas]

I am so going to upgrade my 60 GB to the new 80 GB 'er. Finally enough space to hold my entire music collection + a back-up of my iPhoto Library.

[milo]

Yeah, I wanted to see the phone that was rumored (phone, iPod, remote control, etc.).

A phone was NEVER rumored for today from any reliable source. It was just delusional apple fanboys hoping for it.

I hate when a smarta$$ lays in with this post. We'll whine if we want to. YEAH!

That was exactly his point. Thanks for proving it.

[Kufat]

Updated my 5G iPod to 1.2, loaded Quadrophenia, and yes, there is FINALLY gapless. :D

[revfife]

The headphones look different on the specs page, new earbuds mayhaps?

Yeah, Steve said something about a new design on the standard Apple headphones

[anubis]

We waited 334 days for this? That is how long we went without an iPod update, by far the longest gap in updates, and all we get is larger storage capacity and a few new games?

In the past 2 quarters, for the first time since Apple introduced the iPod, iPod sales have declined. Last quarter, Apple sold just over 8 million iPods, down from a peak of over 14 million 2 quarters ago. The reason is because people bought new iPods, and there was no reason to replace them because it took Apple so long to update the models. Now, after all of the wait (nearly a year) and speculation about 16x9 video iPods, touch-screen controls, wireless capabilities, etc., I think this update will go mostly unnoticed to consumers and iPod sales will continue to fall. Apple needs to drastically change and improve iPod offerings if it wants to maintain its market advantage and keep the iPod fashionable.

[Proud Liberal]

I hope Apple releases an iPod software update so those of us who already own 5th generation iPods can take advantage of all these new features.

I just checked on the Apple site, and there isn't a new iPod updater to include the new software updates for the original 5G iPods.

[iGary]

This update/release is lame.

[bellatrixr]

Gapless playback? What does this mean?

How will the home sync work? I don't want to screw up my iPod, my home library on my MacBook Pro & my iTunes library on my office G5.

I've downloaded iTunes 7, bought a game (same trouble w/my 5G; still no iPod software update yet to make the game work) & clicked to "Get Album Artwork," which seems to be running in the background. So far so good.

[askthedust]

CAUTION THIS ERASES YOUR MUSIC.

had to go to summary/restore/update

it downloads update to 1.2 and then restarts iteself.


learn how to restore iPod, iPod mini, and iPod nano to factory settings.

If you need to restore an iPod shuffle, click here.

Background

It is important to understand the difference between "update" and "restore". Update simply installs the software that controls iPod and does not affect the songs and files stored on iPod's disk. Restore erases the iPod's disk and restores iPod to its original factory condition.

Warning: because Restore erases all of the songs and files on iPod, make sure to back up any files you've saved on the iPod disk. All of your songs, videos, podcasts, audiobooks, and games can be loaded back to your iPod provided that you have them stored in your iTunes Library. If you use the Nike + iPod Sport Kit, see this document for more information.

How to restore iPod

Ensure that you have an active Internet connection as new versions of iTunes and iPod Software may need to be downloaded to your computer.
Download and install iTunes 7.0 or later if you do not already have it installed.
Open iTunes, and then connect your iPod to your computer using the USB or FireWire cable that came with your iPod.
After a few moments, your iPod will appear in the Source pane in iTunes.
Select your iPod in the Source pane and you will see information about your iPod appear in the Summary tab of the main iTunes windows.
Click the Restore button. You will be prompted with one or more restore options that may prompt iTunes to automatically download of the latest iPod Software. The 4 possible restore options are:
Restore Option 1: Restore - Restores with same iPod Software version already on iPod.
Restore Option 2: Use Same Version - Restores with same iPod Software version already on iPod even though a newer version is available.
Restore Option 3: Use Newest Version - Restores with the latest iPod Software on your computer.
Restore Option 4: Restore and Update - Restores with the latest iPod Software on your computer.
If you are using a Mac, a message will appear prompting you to enter an administrator’s name and password.
A progress bar will appear on the computer screen indicating that the first stage of the restore process has started. When this stage is completed, iTunes will present one of two messages on screen with instructions specific to the iPod model you are restoring.
Restore Instruction 1: Disconnect iPod and connect it to iPod Power Adapter (typically applies to older iPod models).
Restore Instruction 2: Leave iPod connected to computer to complete restore (typically applies newer iPod models).
During the stage 2 of the restore process, the iPod will show an Apple logo as well as a progress bar at the bottom of the display. It is critical that the iPod remains connected to the computer or iPod Power adapter during this stage. Note: The progress bar may be difficult to see since the backlight on the iPod display may be off.
After stage 2 of the restore process is complete and the iPod is connected to the computer, the iTunes Setup Assistant window will appear asking you to name your iPod and choose your syncing preferences similar to when you connected your iPod for the first time.

[///mdriver]

will search and quick scroll be in my ipod's next update?

[Tanglewood]

Well $349 is a lot better price than the $600 when the 60 gig iPod Photo came out two years ago.

Been wanting to up grade this just might give me a reason since I'm beginning to max out my 60 gig.

[revfife]

lol!

And so the cries of disappointment begin...
Thats the best part of these forums is watching the buildup until it reaches some ungodly device that is not probable or even possible and then sheer disappointment when Apple announces a decent upgrade to a great product. :rolleyes:

[Stella]

so do I, because I bought a game thinking it would work with my 5th generation ipod and it doesn't :(

It says , on iTunes that you have to update your 5G iPod.

The updater isn't there yet.

[jholzner]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?

Well, obviously YOU wouldn't but not everyone has an extra $100.00 bucks or feels that the extra storage is worth the cost.

[fetchmebeers]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, someone reply to my post....
as a person who just purchased the last version of 5gen video ipod, this comes to me as quite a shock really.... i knew this was coming but actaully hoping that it was everything 'rumor' but turns out it's not.....

anyway, my point is:

WHY DIDN'T STEVE MENTION 30 GIG IPOD, WHILE MOST OF THE ATTENTION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON 8O GIG SOLELY??

although 30 and 80 seem to share most of the new features which are obviously crap(game? who plays that? and search bar? i don't need that crap, too shabby, biatch)
but the thing is BATTERY, gosh

they've plugged about how their new 80 gen has total 20 hrs of battery life and 6.5 hrs of video play, but what about freaking 30???? I SERIOUSLY WANNA KNOW.

i've been to apple store and engadget for live broadcast, but there was no info whatsoever on 30's battery, other than its MAXIMUM battery was 14.... the thing i wanna know is its VIDEO MAXIMUM BATTERY.... is it, again 2 hours? i hope so!! cause i just bought this ol' **** at such higher price and now i feel totally duped. well it was my fault in the first place but i thought it was all RUMOR......................GAWD

[savar]

Gapless playback? What does this mean?

How will the home sync work? I don't want to screw up my iPod, my home library on my MacBook Pro & my iTunes library on my office G5.

I've downloaded iTunes 7, bought a game (same trouble w/my 5G; still no iPod software update yet to make the game work) & clicked to "Get Album Artwork," which seems to be running in the background. So far so good.

If you have a CD which has long pieces of classical music on it, they break it up into separate tracks even though there technically aren't any pauses in the music. On any decent CD player these tracks play back seamlessly -- without any gaps. iPod would insert a pause in between playing these.

Edit: The REAL question is have they updated iTunes to be a better video player? I hate watching TV or movies in the current version.

[Eduardo1971]

I'm very happy about the gapless playback, and battery life, but generally all these updates are pretty disappointing.

Err, can someone please explain what the fascination is over "gapless playback"?:o

<pretty please>
EDIT:

Opps, I didn't read through the whole thread...

[nemaslov]

I've waited a year and a half or more for a larger iPod. My mac has almost 70GB of music and I hate manually changing out songs. I never went to the video 5G since the only difference was video with no larger drive... music only for me. If I was to upload album art for all of my imported music 17 thousand plus songs does that take up alot of storage room? Anyone know how much art adds to storage??:p

[flinstone]

Anubis "We waited 334 days for this? "

I agree totally lame and bad for Apple.
How longer i think of the "news" today the more foolish i think it is of Steve to even announce this crap!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?
Exactly. More money for Apple.

[donlphi]

Err, can someone please explain what the fascination is over "gapless playback"?:o

<pretty please>

As of now, If I rip my Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Album onto iTunes and put it in my iPOD, there are little gaps in between songs. If you listen to the album on CD, the tracks change, but there are no gaps, one song goes into the next.

The same could be said for other music, classical music that is multiple movements, but THROUGH composed might have track changes, but lead from one section to the next.

Kind of a small thing, but a good thing none the less.

Hooray!!!

[nitynate]

Dear Apple,


YOU SUCK!


Love,
Nathan




PS- I will still buy your stuff.

[Shotglass]

This is it, I'm getting one. Or I hold out and wait. The thought still roams my mind that they dropped it by 50$ to make room for a 300$ fullscreen video iPod. So I'll hold out. If there's no touchscreen, fullscreen, w/e iPod, I'll get this one plus dock.

[wwooden]

I very much would like to have seen the prices remain the same and include an AC adapter again.

If you buy this iPod and an AC adapter it is still cheaper than before.

[gloss]

Question: Will gapless iPod playback be 5/5.1G feature only? My 4G is sitting here feeling left out.

[fetchmebeers]

I've waited a year and a half or more for a larger iPod. My mac has almost 70GB of music and I hate manually changing out songs. I never went to the video 5G since the only difference was video with no larger drive... music only for me. If I was to upload album art for all of my imported music 17 thousand plus songs does that take up alot of storage room? Anyone know how much art adds to storage??:p


no, album arts don't take up that much of a space

and believe me, you won't be able to put artworks on EVERY SINGLE one of your song file.... you can't, technically.

and as for the video... well i thought the same way as you did, but now that i got the video one(my old one was photo) it just totally blowed my mind... video thing is just too a great stride for me to deal with
i'm a music lover myself and that was the only reason that prompted me to buy an ipod but now it seems that peripheral things appease more than anything these dyas

[crabstick]

Yep, i've already downloaded the update and it's all good. Just been playing Tetris.

[Eduardo1971]

As of now, If I rip my Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Album onto iTunes and put it in my iPOD, there are little gaps in between songs. If you listen to the album on CD, the tracks change, but there are no gaps, one song goes into the next.

The same could be said for other music, classical music that is multiple movements, but THROUGH composed might have track changes, but lead from one section to the next.

Kind of a small thing, but a good thing none the less.

Hooray!!!

Will the new iPod's handle "gapless playback" automatically from song's in one iTunes library?

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, someone reply to my post....
as a person who just purchased the last version of 5gen video ipod, this comes to me as quite a shock really.... i knew this was coming but actaully hoping that it was everything 'rumor' but turns out it's not.....

anyway, my point is:

WHY DIDN'T STEVE MENTION 30 GIG IPOD, WHILE MOST OF THE ATTENTION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON 8O GIG SOLELY??

although 30 and 80 seem to share most of the new features which are obviously crap(game? who plays that? and search bar? i don't need that crap, too shabby, biatch)
but the thing is BATTERY, gosh

they've plugged about how their new 80 gen has total 20 hrs of battery life and 6.5 hrs of video play, but what about freaking 30???? I SERIOUSLY WANNA KNOW.

i've been to apple store and engadget for live broadcast, but there was no info whatsoever on 30's battery, other than its MAXIMUM battery was 14.... the thing i wanna know is its VIDEO MAXIMUM BATTERY.... is it, again 2 hours? i hope so!! cause i just bought this ol' **** at such higher price and now i feel totally duped. well it was my fault in the first place but i thought it was all RUMOR......................GAWD
No need to use large letters like that, it is considered rude on web-boards.

And the thing is, Steve can't mention every single little bit that has changed. Are you too lazy to go to Apples webpage where everything is stated very clearly on the iPods spec page?

[macfan881]

I'm in the same boat, just bought mah-jong for my video ipod and it won't drag in. and itunes says my software is "up to date":mad:
i was able to get it by just restoring it through the ipod details in itunes im now qurently updating my ipod to 1.2

[grum]

As of now, If I rip my Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Album onto iTunes and put it in my iPOD, there are little gaps in between songs. If you listen to the album on CD, the tracks change, but there are no gaps, one song goes into the next.

The same could be said for other music, classical music that is multiple movements, but THROUGH composed might have track changes, but lead from one section to the next.

Kind of a small thing, but a good thing none the less.

Hooray!!!

Pretty big thing if you are into dance music/dj mixes that are seperated into tracks. There are suprisingly few mp3 players that will play them gapless

[Dave00]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?
Considerably thinner, for one. It doesn't seem like much until you see 'em side by side. The double platter really eats more space.

Dave

[fetchmebeers]

Question: Will gapless iPod playback be 5/5.1G feature only? My 4G is sitting here feeling left out.


well i'm only hoping that some sort of firmwares might do the right job

hopefully somebody might come up with one i guess

but the thing is i don't really care about gapless ****...

i don't like pink floyd, i don't like classical music, and generally, i don't need to listen to a 'flowy' album all the time, do i??

i'm just well content with my 5gen *sob

[Eduardo1971]

Dear Apple,


YOU SUCK!


Love,
Nathan




PS- I will still buy your stuff.

:D :) :D

[chilipie]

Dear Apple,


YOU SUCK!


Love,
Nathan




PS- I will still buy your stuff.
Exactly how I felt...

..until I realised that I too could play Pacman! ;)

[bubbalwz]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?

Shoulda been 60gb and 80gb like originally reported on some outlets. I could actually see myself buying the cheaper one then.

[Techobo]

Boo, where's my 16:9?

[milo]

We waited 334 days for this? That is how long we went without an iPod update, by far the longest gap in updates, and all we get is larger storage capacity and a few new games?

In the past 2 quarters, for the first time since Apple introduced the iPod, iPod sales have declined. Last quarter, Apple sold just over 8 million iPods, down from a peak of over 14 million 2 quarters ago. The reason is because people bought new iPods, and there was no reason to replace them because it took Apple so long to update the models. Now, after all of the wait (nearly a year) and speculation about 16x9 video iPods, touch-screen controls, wireless capabilities, etc., I think this update will go mostly unnoticed to consumers and iPod sales will continue to fall. Apple needs to drastically change and improve iPod offerings if it wants to maintain its market advantage and keep the iPod fashionable.

The fact you seem to miss is that the Nano is by far the biggest selling iPod. And they did a pretty nice update to it, what more would you want in that model? They definitely will update the "big" ipod at some point, but there are some MAJOR technological hurdles to overcome, especially battery life for video and the no-touch interface. We'd all love to see it, but apple really needs to take their time and get it right if it's truly going to be groundbreaking.

iPod w/video sales probably won't do much (except for the price drop, which is pretty nice), but nanos and shuffles should sell like mad. I'd be shocked if iPod sales don't spike back up again.

I just checked on the Apple site, and there isn't a new iPod updater to include the new software updates for the original 5G iPods.

I thought updates were now going to be handled by iTunes. Maybe the updates haven't been made available to it online yet. After all, iTunes and QT haven't showed up in software update either.

Edit: The REAL question is have they updated iTunes to be a better video player? I hate watching TV or movies in the current version.

There definitely are new video features, although you'll have to see for yourself if your specific complaints are addressed.

[nitynate]

Dear Apple,

I appoligise for my earlier outburst.
I really do love you.

Well.... In a creepy-ish kind of way. THATS NOT THE POINT!!!!!

I want the 8GB nano in green.


Love,
Nathan

[viccles]

Hey at least I don't have to sell my 5g video iPod not worth it

[revfife]

OH WELL. thank you for pointing out my rudeness...

as a matter of fact, i have been quite sensitive now that i've seen the new one coming out right after my recent purchase of the OLD one, DAMMIT

that aside.....
didn't i clarify that i've been to apple store to check out its spec as well? or maybe i didn't but that's not the problem here

yes, i did go to that freaking apple store and looked for the spec, but only the maximum battery life was specified, and max for video play for only 80 gig was mentioned there, not for 30g, dammit

or maybe i couldn't find it? i was being too lazy? well then go look for it yourself, gosh

Off Apple's website that he pointed you to:
Playback time (30GB model)

* Music playback time: Up to 14 hours when fully charged
* Photo slideshow with music viewing time: Up to 4 hours when fully charged
* Video playback time: Up to 3.5 hours when fully charged

[Proud Liberal]

Updated my 5G iPod to 1.2, loaded Quadrophenia, and yes, there is FINALLY gapless. :D

so you have to re-rip any albums that are affected by the gapless feature?

[ITR 81]

I currently have a 3gen 40GB iPod.
I've been waiting forever for the 80GB to show up.

I use mine for music/ data storage and photo backup storage off microdrives and flash drives.

I just hope everyone knows this looks like a stop gap on the iPod side of things. I willing to bet another iPod gets released right before X'mas or at MacWorld. Probably the so call touch screen ver. and then everyone will whine again about something.

I was simply amazed by the iTV announcement!

[mahonmeister]

Stop freaken whining!

I was going to comment on how happy I was with these updates but all I read about was the bad. Don't like it, don't buy it, don't whine.

Brighter displays, cheaper prices, games, movie downloads, better head phones. Wtf do you want?

Me = happy :D

[Squonk]

In the past, when Apple has released new models, on the "deals" page, they would sell off the old *new boxed* stock for a little less than the new models. Sometimes these were a great deal, other times, not so much. Anyway, with the iMac and Mac Mini updates last week and the iPod updates today, it appears that there is no "old stock" products for sale from Apple. I was hoping to pick up the 5G/60GB to replace my 4G/60GB as I'd now like the bigger screen. Yes, I am looking for a deal... Or how about a 1G/1G shuffle for $49???

Does anyone know how Apple is getting rid of the old?

[fetchmebeers]

Off Apple's website that he pointed you to:
Playback time (30GB model)

* Music playback time: Up to 14 hours when fully charged
* Photo slideshow with music viewing time: Up to 4 hours when fully charged
* Video playback time: Up to 3.5 hours when fully charged


whoa.... well :o

what an embarrassment.
how come i couldn't find it anywhere??

anyway, dude, thanks alot... really appreciate that!!

and now i'd have to apologize my freaking visceral responses..... sorry guys if i offended you ....


but you know what? i just had to..........

if you were in my shoes..... you'd surely understand how i feel.......

anywho i'm glad that it's only 3.5........ well 1.5 hrs of difference? that's nothing, compared to...... well. i don't know, but the thing is i got early anyway, so no regrets from now on!!!

and yes, i don't need a 60 percent brighter screen, i don't need that freaking search bar, and i don't play game, period

so the bottom line : i made a right move..............................i hope

[Creibold]

It's the nintendo thinking people...

"Let's give them games, more games!....and...and make it Brighter!!!" Yes, brighter!!"

-They must be in league.

[daneoni]

Looks like the iPods are still at 5G with some tweaks, which is weird considering they had a whole year. I feel no urge to upgrade my current model no major difference for me. Search functions would be pretty sweet though. Wonder why they didnt just give the current 5G iPods that feature with a software update.

The new nanos look really tempting. a 4GB silver would go nicely with my PB.

[revfife]

My only problem is there doesn't seem to be an education discount right now on the new iPods. Just 249 and 349. :confused:

[Squonk]

My only problem is there doesn't seem to be an education discount right now on the new iPods. Just 249 and 349. :confused:

I'm guessing this will change once the current edu promotion is over...

[Kufat]

so you have to re-rip any albums that are affected by the gapless feature?

No, you don't. I just didn't have Quadrophenia loaded on that iPod before.

[bankshot]

Gapless was the #1 request?? Holy cow! :eek: Then what took them so friggin long?

I've been under the impression that gapless was only desired by 0.000001% of the users, and therefore Apple didn't give a damn about it. I assumed that the other 99.999999% of users only listen to shuffle mode and don't care about traditional albums. Seems pretty reasonable based on what's popular these days. But the #1 request? Surely this should have been fixed in the 2nd generation iPod then, 3rd generation at the latest.

I'm not complaining, this just really, really surprises me. I'm so happy to see that it's fixed, finally, so I can go out and buy a replacement iPod soon, after holding out for over a year. Better days are here to stay. ;)

[fetchmebeers]

Looks like the iPods are still at 5G with some tweaks, which is weird considering they had a whole year. I feel no urge to upgrade my current model no major difference for me. Search functions would be pretty sweet though. Wonder why they didnt just give the current 5G iPods that feature with a software update.

The new nanos look really tempting. a 4GB silver would go nicely with my PB.

my thoughts exactly... there aren't that much of a difference, right??

anyway, hey, are the search functions gonna be attainable for the last 5gen ipod as well ? with the software update??? i wish that's the case......please

i've been desperately looking for the reasons as to stick to the old 5gen which i bought just yesterday

[the future]

Can sombody explain the following:

"old" 5G 30 GB: music playback 14 h, video playback 2 h.
"new" 5G 30 GB: music playback STILL 14 h, video playback ALMOST DOUBLED at 3.5 h.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Apple Shmapple]

Looks like the iPods are still at 5G with some tweaks, which is weird considering they had a whole year. .

That is the common sense reaction. You're seeing mac zealots here trying to trumpet how great these new iPods are.

Updating a 4:3 screen with another 4:3 screen and claiming it's improved is like Yugo rereleasing their car and claiming it's improved because the gas cap is a different color. It's still a Yugo.

[xenotaku]

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame


although...secretly I'm happy, because I don't want to see my 5G be outdated so quick...I just bought it!

[holycat]

a liTTLe bit disappointed...:mad: :mad:

i wiLL still buy this 80Gb iPod with the iMac 24`:p :p

my 1st iPod and 1st Mac machine

[fetchmebeers]

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame


although...secretly I'm happy, because I don't want to see my 5G be outdated so quick...I just bought it!



YES, another buddy who feel the same.............................

[technicolor]

I am so glad that I didnt sell my ipod. I would really be kicking myself if I had of jumped the gun....taking a hit on the price plus having to pony up money to essentially buy back the same ipod.

*whew wipes sweat

[fetchmebeers]

Can sombody explain the following:

"old" 5G 30 GB: music playback 14 h, video playback 2 h.
"new" 5G 30 GB: music playback STILL 14 h, video playback ALMOST DOUBLED at 3.5 h.

:confused: :confused: :confused:


why are you confused??? video play got extended, what do you expect more than that??

i'm just glad that my 5gen didn't get outdated so fast

[daneoni]

my thoughts exactly... there aren't that much of a difference, right??

anyway, hey, are the search functions gonna be attainable for the last 5gen ipod as well ? with the software update??? i wish that's the case......please

i've been desperately looking for the reasons as to stick to the old 5gen which i bought just yesterday

There are no major differences but if i were you i'd go back and trade for the new one or just return the iPod and order a new one. Your window is soo close not to upgrade.

It doesnt look like the new software features will be added to current 5G iPods. My iPod software just updated and only game functions were added.

[fetchmebeers]

I am so glad that I didnt sell my ipod. I would really be kicking myself if I had of jumped the gun....taking a hit on the price plus having to pony up money to essentially buy back the same ipod.

*whew wipes sweat


YEEEAHHHHSSS

i'm well content that apple couldn't have come up with anything OUT OF this league

[technicolor]

why are you confused??? video play got extended, what do you expect more than that??

i'm just glad that my 5gen didn't get outdated so fast
Because they use the same battery, how can videos play longer and not music?

[fetchmebeers]

There are no major differences but if i were you i'd go back and trade for the new one or just return the iPod and order a new one. Your windows is close not to upgrade..

It doesnt look like the new software features will be added to current 5G iPods. My iPod software just updated and only game functions were added.


what do you mean my windows is close not to upgrade??

and also, is there any chance that i might be succeeding in returning it... or even getting a refund??? i mean i took the vinyl cover off and just totally used it... can i return it right back to the apple store??

[sam10685]

dude... the 30 gig one shoulda be bumped to atleast 40 or 50... if not more.

[gugy]

Good updates,
But I rather wait for the widescreen 120gb video ipod.

[justflie]

Doh, hit the submit early, sorry for the double post

[justflie]

The real question is when will the true video ipod be released? Christmas?

[YEMandy]

Apple has a 10 day return policy if they updated a product you just bought within 10 days. They will give you a full refund, or cash difference if the price is lowered (which it is)

[jofarmer]

Do the "older 5G" ipods support the new tv shows (640x480) and movies???? I don't care about the new search and such...Im just wondering about the movies and games.

Well Folks, you all seem to be concerned about if your iPod 5G is outdated..
ever thought about that?
If I got Steve right, no iPod that was sold prior to this very day will be able to play videos from the iTMS sold from this day on - not if Apple hasn't been lying VERY much about the H.264 decoding capabilities of the "old" iPod 5G.

I'd love to be corrected, though...

[daneoni]

what do you mean my windows is close not to upgrade??

and also, is there any chance that i might be succeeding in returning it... or even getting a refund??? i mean i took the vinyl cover off and just totally used it... can i return it right back to the apple store??

I meant return window..its just one day. Im not sure about the return but just give it a shot. If they ask, tell them you'd like to buy the new version. Be polite but firm as much as possible and you should be fine. Worst case scenario is they say no BUT you won't feel bad because you're current iPod is definately not out of date from what i see today

[xli_ne]

Well, obviously YOU wouldn't but not everyone has an extra $100.00 bucks or feels that the extra storage is worth the cost.

i'm sorry but the 30G iPod has a stupid price. If someone is that tight and has to get an iPod, they would probably buy used.

[bankshot]

Because they use the same battery, how can videos play longer and not music?

Either the video playback code was improved to be less power hungry (maybe it uses less CPU, maybe it doesn't need to spin the disk as much), or an improved video chip was put in which uses less power.

[YEMandy]

Well Folks, you all seem to be concerned about if your iPod 5G is outdated..
ever thought about that?
If I got Steve right, no iPod that was sold prior to this very day will be able to play videos from the iTMS sold from this day on - not if Apple hasn't been lying VERY much about the H.264 decoding capabilities of the "old" iPod 5G.

I'd love to be corrected, though...


You're wrong. Older 5g iPods can play the new tv shows and movies from the iTunes store. Lets not get ridiculous here.

[holycat]

Shoulda been 60gb and 80gb like originally reported on some outlets. I could actually see myself buying the cheaper one then.


check up the apple store~~~
30GB and 80GB

get the 80GB better...jz extra 100 bucks more :D

[Chupa Chupa]

what do you mean my windows is close not to upgrade??

and also, is there any chance that i might be succeeding in returning it... or even getting a refund??? i mean i took the vinyl cover off and just totally used it... can i return it right back to the apple store??


You can return or exchange it but you'll have to pay a 10% restock fee ($25 or $29 depending on which one you bought). If you bought the 30GB just stick with the "old" 5G. If you bought the 60GB version then $30 is worth the price for another 20GB of storage. But my question to you is, what were you thinking buying an iPod the night before an Apple Special Event focusing on "it's showtime?"

[iGary]

Apple announces a decent upgrade to a great product

That was already a YEAR OLD.

[macfan881]

With The New Get Album artwork is it possible now to update the Artwork to the ipod now? :confused: cause i dont see any of the artwork that i have gotten on my ipod

[YEMandy]

You can return or exchange it but you'll have to pay a 10% restock fee ($25 or $29 depending on which one you bought). If you bought the 30GB just stick with the "old" 5G. If you bought the 60GB version then $30 is worth the price for another 20GB of storage. But my question to you is, what were you thinking buying an iPod the night before an Apple Special Event focusing on "it's showtime?"

You can return ANY apple product for a FULL refund if the product was updated within 10 days of the original purchase date!! Or you can get money back if the price was lowered!

[fetchmebeers]

I meant return window..its just one day. Im not sure about the return but just give it a shot. If they ask, tell them you'd like to buy the new version. Be polite but firm as much as possible and you should be fine. Worst case scenario is they say no BUT you won't feel bad because you're current iPod is definately not out of date from what i see today


o dude ;)

that was really, really reassuring and comforting!!! thank you :D


well yes i might try that, but even if my attempt failed i won't bother to manage to get the new one, cause as you pointed out, there obviously aren't that much of major differences, as most of us seem to agree upon.....


anyway,,,
right now i'm in korea, and it's 5:30 in teh morning... had to stay up all night to get the live broadcast.... it was very enthralling and stuff, all was good except that it'd hurt my productivity today.... haha

well just saying!

[technicolor]

Either the video playback code was improved to be less power hungry (maybe it uses less CPU, maybe it doesn't need to spin the disk as much), or an improved video chip was put in which uses less power.
Thanks for that explanation.

[YEMandy]

o dude ;)

that was really, really reassuring and comforting!!! thank you :D


well yes i might try that, but even if my attempt failed i won't bother to manage to get the new one, cause as you pointed out, there obviously aren't that much of major differences, as most of us seem to agree upon.....


anyway,,,
right now i'm in korea, and it's 5:30 in teh morning... had to stay up all night to get the live broadcast.... it was very enthralling and stuff, all was good except that it'd hurt my productivity today.... haha

well just saying!


Take it back!! They will give you another one with NO questions asked!! See upper posts!

[LaMerVipere]

*fingers still crossed for a software update for current 5G iPod owners to bring 'em up to speed with all the new features* :rolleyes:

[Stella]

Apple needs to be more revolutionary than just offer this rather lame iPod update... but I'm sure that is coming. Most of it is just software - except for the brighter screen and larger resolution.

Does the updated iPod software for old 5G also give the search function - that would be very useful.

What are the games like?

[fetchmebeers]

You can return or exchange it but you'll have to pay a 10% restock fee ($25 or $29 depending on which one you bought). If you bought the 30GB just stick with the "old" 5G. If you bought the 60GB version then $30 is worth the price for another 20GB of storage. But my question to you is, what were you thinking buying an iPod the night before an Apple Special Event focusing on "it's showtime?"

i know i know....
it was a very noob thing to do, if you will....

but yesterday was the day that i actually GOT the product being fedexed, and the actual date that i placed an order for it was like 1 and a half week ago....(i was looking for the best deal, the price was the lowest but it took me such a long ass time....bad case of a trade-off... no redeeming quality)

i then was as well hesitant cause i had been informed about this 9/12 rumor, but a certain incident totally URGED me to buy it so i had to, but turns out, i had to cancel the order if only i knew it might take such a long ass time to deliver.......dammit

[mcdermd]

I'll need to go back and read the thread and this has p-robably already been posted, but I think that the "big" iPod update was really weak. The other two got some major improvments and fig facelifts. The regular iPod got a resolution upgrade and a bigger hard drive. Woo. Pardon me for not being too excited. :rolleyes:

[midiman]

You can return ANY apple product for a FULL refund if the product was updated within 10 days of the original purchase date!! Or you can get money back if the price was lowered!

Only on UNOPENED product. If you've opened it, you gotta pony up 10% restocking fee, if you bought from apple. They will refund money if there is a price drop in that timeframe, though.

[jofarmer]

Well Folks, you all seem to be concerned about if your iPod 5G is outdated..
ever thought about that?
If I got Steve right, no iPod that was sold prior to this very day will be able to play videos from the iTMS sold from this day on - not if Apple hasn't been lying VERY much about the H.264 decoding capabilities of the "old" iPod 5G.

I'd love to be corrected, though...You're wrong. Older 5g iPods can play the new tv shows and movies from the iTunes store. Lets not get ridiculous here.

Ahem. I was told that the iPod 5G can play H.264 with a resolution up to 320x240 and 768 kbps. Now the resolution gets quadrupled, and you suggest that it is ridiculous to assume that this does make a difference?

[fetchmebeers]

Take it back!! They will give you another one with NO questions asked!! See upper posts!

O MY GAWD..... are you sure????

that'd be totally awesome dude..... if it were the case

but what about an extra fee that some else mentioned??

so are you saying that it's only possible within that 10 day period??

well then i'm eligible for it.... i might try that asap, hmm

[Spagolli94]

i'm sorry but the 30G iPod has a stupid price. If someone is that tight and has to get an iPod, they would probably buy used.

I will by the 30GB and am anything but tight. Why? Because I only have 15GB of music and have been adding music at a rate of about 1GB per year. I have no need to watch movies or look at photos on my iPod. If I'm traveling, I have a PowerBook on the plane with me. My iPod is used in the car and the gym, that's it.

That said, both the 30GB and 80GB have more than enough storage. So, I will make my decision based on physical dimensions - at the gym a smaller iPod is a big plus. The fact that the 30GB is cheaper is just icing on the cake. For my needs, I would have bought the 30GB, even it were the same price... even it the 30GB were more.

I agree with you though. If you currently have or anticipate needing over 30GB of space, the 80GB is a MUCH better value when it comes to GB per dollar.

[amateurmacfreak]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?
A lot of people just don't need the bigger capacity. And it's still thinner, right??

I would buy a 30GB if I was in the market (which I'm not) for a new iPod. I just really don't need more than 30GB.

This is a stupid update. Not anything important.

I was a little bit sad that my iPod would probably be out-dated by today. But yeah right, it's not. But of course everyone already knew that it's still 5G.... Where's our iPhone, Steve? :rolleyes:

[YEMandy]

Only on UNOPENED product. If you've opened it, you gotta pony up 10% restocking fee, if you bought from apple. They will refund money if there is a price drop in that timeframe, though.

Doesn't matter if it has been opened. I bought an iMac right before the new ones came out, it was bto with the upc cut out and sent in for the free iPod offer. They gave a FULL refund with no restocking fee, even I made sure they knew it was opened with the upc cut off. This policy is different than their normal return policy.

[syklee26]

sorry about digressing but what da heck happened to education pricing for iPods?

[fetchmebeers]

Only on UNOPENED product. If you've opened it, you gotta pony up 10% restocking fee, if you bought from apple. They will refund money if there is a price drop in that timeframe, though.

o *****.... i knew for a fact that there was gonna be some sort of catch!!

but 10% restocking fee??? isn't that a bit too much?

so what do you think, is new ipod literally worth procuring with the sacrifice of 10% restocking fee, when the only difference is the brighter screen, 1.5 more hr of video play time, search function, ....etc??

i'm confsed!!

[fetchmebeers]

Doesn't matter if it has been opened. I bought an iMac right before the new ones came out, it was bto with the upc cut out and sent in for the free iPod offer. They gave a FULL refund with no restocking fee, even I made sure they knew it was opened with the upc cut off. This policy is different than their normal return policy.

are you sure whether or not the same goes for ipod products?

[Object-X]

The real question is when will the true video ipod be released? Christmas?

I just watched the stream. Not before Christmas. Jobs made it pretty clear that these updates and new iPods are the holiday product line up.

[milo]

That is the common sense reaction. You're seeing mac zealots here trying to trumpet how great these new iPods are.

Updating a 4:3 screen with another 4:3 screen and claiming it's improved is like Yugo rereleasing their car and claiming it's improved because the gas cap is a different color. It's still a Yugo.

Even apple admits that the iPod with video is pretty much the same box. Are you sure you're not getting confused by people excited by the new shuffle and nano? Or the software updates, which also apply to the previous iPod? I think I smell a straw man.

Because they use the same battery, how can videos play longer and not music?

Probably because video playback has been optimized, or they're using different video chips or screen.

Well Folks, you all seem to be concerned about if your iPod 5G is outdated..
ever thought about that?
If I got Steve right, no iPod that was sold prior to this very day will be able to play videos from the iTMS sold from this day on - not if Apple hasn't been lying VERY much about the H.264 decoding capabilities of the "old" iPod 5G.

I thought the 5G was already able to handle 640x480 movies, just couldn't display them at full resolution?

Doesn't matter if it has been opened. I bought an iMac right before the new ones came out, it was bto with the upc cut out and sent in for the free iPod offer. They gave a FULL refund with no restocking fee, even I made sure they knew it was opened with the upc cut off. This policy is different than their normal return policy.

Is that policy documented somewhere? Sounds like someone may have decided to be nice to you and make an exception.

[Object-X]

I'll need to go back and read the thread and this has p-robably already been posted, but I think that the "big" iPod update was really weak. The other two got some major improvments and fig facelifts. The regular iPod got a resolution upgrade and a bigger hard drive. Woo. Pardon me for not being too excited. :rolleyes:

You're not alone, a number of people have expressed their opinion that this is a weak update, but no one really seems to offer what they expected. How is it weak? Is is weak because it's not a touch screen wide aspect ratio iPod? What else can they do to these things short of coming out with a completely new design?

Apple will have to offer something extremely impressive and cutting edge to replace the 5G iPods, and they are surely working on it, but these things take time. One of the things we appreciate about Apple is that they don't normally put out buggy crap (MacBooks notwithstanding). We can forgive them that since they were needed quickly. So, if you want the ooh aah factor you will have to be patient.

I know all of us 5G iPod owners appreciate our iPods are not outdated just yet. I for one welcome the changes, my 5 year old appreciates PacMan, and the syncing between two computers is freaking awesome!!!!

[Harthansen]

This is suppose to be a "Media Event"?
They need to get rid of that little useless iPod 4:3 screen. Put in at least an anamorphic 720x480 widescreen model. That little iPod screen will keep me without any interest in any ipod above the Nano. Speaking of the nano... Is the new nano suppose to be cutting edge? It has the same look as the iPod mini. So 3 years ago! Where did the cutting edge go?

Itunes 7 Woo Hoo!
Expensive low quality movies. Double Woo Hoo! Amazon has actual DVD quality movies, for the same price range, and a much better selection. iTunes is only ahead now with the cool interface, but still the technology is not improving as fast as the competition.

Apple is in a slow fall...
I love Mac's, and will always own one. However, the Intel Mac's are buggy as hell. (Still Not Compareable to Windows) The iPod's are not as good as the PSP, except for the large hard drive (and the ease of iTunes).

$4.99 Atari quality Games??
Are you kidding me? I wouldn't waste my time downloading them for free! Never mind 5 bucks for Tetris!! Boo. I say Boo, Mr Jobs. It's like Apple isn't trying anymore. Steve wake T.F. up! What are you doing? You're getting lazy in your old age!

-Hart Hansen
http://www.myspace.com/harthansen

... generally all these updates are pretty disappointing.

[SuperCompu2]

that new shuffle is HOTT!

*salivates*

[powerbook911]

I have the 60 GB 5G. There is no benefit for me to get a 80 GB new one except the extra capacity, correct?

I mean, I did software update, and it seems great.

They mention battery life, but music is still 20 hours rated, so I think they only list more battery life because they have the "BRIGHTNESS" setting now! ha-ha. So I think my battery is just as good too?

[crees!]

Do the "older 5G" ipods support the new tv shows (640x480) and movies???? I don't care about the new search and such...Im just wondering about the movies and games.
Have you seen how searching is done? If not take a look at the page demoing it. It's pretty badass. I just hope an update will include it for my 3G.

[crees!]

This is suppose to be a "Media Event"?
They need to get rid of that little useless iPod 4:3 screen. Put in at least an anamorphic 720x480 widescreen model. That little iPod screen will keep me without any interest in any ipod above the Nano. Speaking of the nano... Is the new nano suppose to be cutting edge? It has the same look as the iPod mini. So 3 years ago! Where did the cutting edge go?

Itunes 7 Woo Hoo!
Expensive low quality movies. Double Woo Hoo! Amazon has actual DVD quality movies, for the same price range, and a much better selection. iTunes is only ahead now with the cool interface, but still the technology is not improving as fast as the competition.

Apple is in a slow fall...
I love Mac's, and will always own one. However, the Intel Mac's are buggy as hell. (Still Not Compareable to Windows) The iPod's are not as good as the PSP, except for the large hard drive (and the ease of iTunes).

$4.99 Atari quality Games??
Are you kidding me? I wouldn't waste my time downloading them for free! Never mind 5 bucks for Tetris!! Boo. I say Boo, Mr Jobs. It's like Apple isn't trying anymore. Steve wake T.F. up! What are you doing? You're getting lazy in your old age!

-Hart Hansen
http://www.myspace.com/harthansen
Wasting breath on a comment like this isn't even worth it.

[mulze22]

I have a 30 GB video already, but these new ones look good to me. I think I will have ordered one by the end of the week.

[jacob1201]

will search and quick scroll be in my ipod's next update?
I've updated the software... games work, quick scroll works... but no search :(... unless I'm just blind and am missing something. Seems like it should be there, since everything else seems to be, right? Any thoughts?

[Apple Shmapple]

I just watched the stream. Not before Christmas. Jobs made it pretty clear that these updates and new iPods are the holiday product line up.

That's just sad. Incredibly, incredibly sad.

Guess I'll go hit ebay for a 4th gen 20 gig since the 5th gen offers nothing new (4:3 2 inch screen video playback is not a "feature") and this 'update' offers even less.

I'd be surprised if Apple sells HALF the number of iPods this holiday season vs. last.

[Apple Shmapple]

I have a 30 GB video already, but these new ones look good to me. I think I will have ordered one by the end of the week.

Why in the name of all that's holy would you replace your current 30 gig with the "new" 30 gig? You'll end up paying $100 for a search function and a slightly brighter screen. Wow.

[macfan881]

Wasting breath on a comment like this isn't even worth it.
although i agree with u techicly u just did i dont know why im replying lol but i liked all the stuff i mean if ur a Video Quailty Freak go get a dvd and play it on your tv if ur just a average movie watcher like me i think this is great and i hope to see more companys on itunes as well

[know-it-all5]

First and foremost, though i am repeating what others have said... this is still a 5g ipod... This update was VERY minor... I say expect an iphone at macworld 06, and ipod 6g somewhere in 1st quarter of 07 (maybe macworld).

[powerbook911]

although i agree with u techicly u just did i dont know why im replying lol but i liked all the stuff i mean if ur a Video Quailty Freak go get a dvd and play it on your tv if ur just a average movie watcher like me i think this is great and i hope to see more companys on itunes as well

Well, DVDs aren't good quality either. However, that is like the minimum quality they should be selling.

[jofarmer]

I thought the 5G was already able to handle 640x480 movies, just couldn't display them at full resolution?



The way I understood, it was capable of playin that resolution in mp4, but not when using AVC/H.264...

[LimeiBook86]

So I assume in order to play these new games and such you need to update your 5G iPod's software to version 1.2? Has anyone been able to update theirs without a total "Restore?", if so I'd be interested but, erasing my iPod at this moment isn't really something I want to do haha. I mean if you click on the 'Games' tab in the iPod summary it will tell you that you need to click 'Update' to update your iPod, so hopefully there will be a way to do this without erasing everything and starting over. ;)

I also wonder if you buy one game if you can share that game to multiple iPods (for example if you had two 5G iPods...or if your brother does ;)) :D The iTunes update is also nice, I was quite fond of the green icon but, I'll get used to the new one. BTW, Front Row has also been updated to version 1.3 to be compatible with iTunes 7 :)

[daneoni]

Educated guess would be "big" iPod sales will slump whilst the Nanos & Shuffles will skyrocket.

[Multimedia]

Am Encoding H.264 Baseline Profile 640x480 To Test Old 5G Compatability. Takes much longer. Will report success or failure when it's done in another 35 minutes - about 3:15pm Pacific.

iPod 1.2 update software made no mention of this newer H.264 maximum dimension feature. If it works it means a whole new paradigm for Video iPods. The 320x240 pixel restriction for H.264 to date made it a highly unattractive codec to use. Now it's a whole new ballgame if it works. HDTV May be encoded 640x360 max in H.264 for a much better encode. Crossing my fingers this will work. Please pray with me now. ;)

Encoded H.264 Baseline Profile 640x480 Fails 2 Load On Old 5G

[Multimedia]

Encoded H.264 Baseline Profile 640x480 Fails 2 Load On Old 5G

Bummer

[Multimedia]

The way I understood, it was capable of playin that resolution in mp4, but not when using AVC/H.264...Right. Mac res for H.264 WAS 320x240 way too small - only the iPod screen res. So H.264 was unpopular because of this limit. Now if the res limit works on teh existing base of 5G 1st gen Video iPods this is HUGE and changes the game completely. See above I am testing this theory now and will report on the result in about a half hour.

[Multimedia]

Educated guess would be "big" iPod sales will slump whilst the Nanos & Shuffles will skyrocket.At these new lower price points that reads pretty UN-educated to me. On secopnd thought though since many of US - not the general public - are waiting for the 640x360 widescreen video iPod, this would be a miss.

I htink it's pretty lousy of Apple not to provide the firmware update to allow original 5G Video iPods to load and play Baseline H.264 640x480 self-encoded video. I'm mad about it.

[dops7107]

They mention battery life, but music is still 20 hours rated, so I think they only list more battery life because they have the "BRIGHTNESS" setting now! ha-ha. So I think my battery is just as good too?

That's a good point. I thought maybe they put a higher capacity battery in, and I wondered if it could be replaced, but perhaps it is all due to the screen brightness. I thought the most energy sapping thing was the hard drive though, not the display.

[jofarmer]

See above I am testing this theory now and will report on the result in about a half hour.
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the results. I just ripped a chapter to AVC using 768kps and 640x352 and playing it took my powerbook to 60%. We ARE talking about a powerful codec here.

But then again, 320x240 H.264 made my iBook G3 900 go chunky...

[Apple Shmapple]

At these new lower price points that reads pretty UN-educated to me.

Whoopidedoo, a whole $50 off. They HAD to do that because of the lack of actually updating anything worthy on the device. One could argue that it isn't enough of a price cut the way competitors music players are priced.

Anyone with half a brain will avoid these 5th G Part 2 devices like the plague, unless they want to waste money that could be spent 4 months later on a widescreen model.

Should we set up the thread now for the people that rush out and buy this version of the iPod then get burned just after Christmas when the real new iPod comes out? They'll need someplace to vent, and it's usually all over these threads. It would be nice to condense it.

[LaMerVipere]

Okay, so it appears that owners of 5th generation iPods (before the latest release) who update their iPod software to version 1.2 get a few cool features that come pre-loaded out of the box on the latest 5th generation iPods, but not all.

We get:

• Gapless playback

• Ability to adjust backlight brightness (I'm particularly excited about this, I've been wanting it for ages, I bet it increases battery battery life immensely with the brightness turned way down)

• When rapidly scrolling through ARTISTS we get overlayed alphabet letters which correspond to where we are on our list

• Ability to play games bought from iTunes

We don't get:

• New search function

** Video playback details yet to be determined

[daneoni]

Whoopidedoo, a whole $50 off. They HAD to do that because of the lack of actually updating anything worthy on the device. One could argue that it isn't enough of a price cut the way competitors music players are priced.

Anyone with half a brain will avoid these 5th G Part 2 devices like the plague, unless they want to waste money that could be spent 4 months later on a widescreen model.

Should we set up the thread now for the people that rush out and buy this version of the iPod then get burned just after Christmas when the real new iPod comes out? They'll need someplace to vent, and it's usually all over these threads. It would be nice to condense it.

My thoughts exactly.

[LimeiBook86]

I just quit iTunes, and reopened it. I got a message about the new iPod update. So now everyone should be able to update their iPod without restoring it. :D

Update: I just noticed that when connected to the computer the iPod's display is now a dimmer backlight. I like that, not as bright. This is very good :) :D

[Chef Medeski]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?
Or you could purchase a 8GB Nano for the same price which is less than 1/3 the capacity.

[Multimedia]

Whoopidedoo, a whole $50 off. They HAD to do that because of the lack of actually updating anything worthy on the device. One could argue that it isn't enough of a price cut the way competitors music players are priced.

Anyone with half a brain will avoid these 5th G Part 2 devices like the plague, unless they want to waste money that could be spent 4 months later on a widescreen model.

Should we set up the thread now for the people that rush out and buy this version of the iPod then get burned just after Christmas when the real new iPod comes out? They'll need someplace to vent, and it's usually all over these threads. It would be nice to condense it.Agreed. But I do love the new Shuffle and will probably buy one when they go refurb for $49 - assuming refurb means with a new battery.

[mikes63737]

Can you say "One More Thing 2"? :D

I'm glad that Apple isn't forcing all you with 5G iPods to buy new ones for the new features.

[macfan881]

With The New Get Album artwork is it possible now to update the Artwork to the ipod now? :confused: cause i dont see any of the artwork that i have gotten on my ipod


Anyone??

[FlyNolJ]

Christ, a $50 dollar price cut is a year of innovation? WOW.

[damienvfx]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?

I imagine the 80 is about the same size. I'd go with the 30 if I was in the market for a regular iPod. Honsestly though, I can't stand feeling the hard drive move in my hand with the regular iPods.

[Multimedia]

Okay, so it appears that owners of 5th generation iPods (before the latest release) who update their iPod software to version 1.2 get a few cool features that come pre-loaded out of the box on the latest 5th generation iPods, but not all.

We get:

• Gapless playback

• Ability to adjust backlight brightness (I'm particularly excited about this, I've been wanting it for ages, I bet it increases battery battery life immensely with the brightness turned way down)

• When rapidly scrolling through ARTISTS we get overlayed alphabet letters which correspond to where we are on our list

• Ability to play games bought from iTunes

We don't get:

• New search function

** Video playback details yet to be determinedAnd we FAIL to get ability to load 640x480 H.264 Baseline encoded video "...because it cannot be played on this 11month "old" iPod." What a crock! It's a load of bullocks I tell ya!I take it that your conversion is over and the old iPod cannot play "Hi-Res H.264" and my asumptions prior in this thread where right :/

And as I already pointed out, that owners of "old" iPod 5G will have to reconvert movies and TV series and EVERYTHING they download from this day an, since all movies and tv episodes will be in 640x480 from now on.

Geez. Unlike M$ Apple has never been to much concerned with backwards compatibility, users without at least 10.3 Panther don't get much new fun these days. But like this....?Yeah. They don't even let us put them on the "old" 5g iPod.

It's gotta be a simple firmware update that they should give us. What good is that new capability to the Store if they won't load and play on the large base of first adopters' units out there? I am very perplexed at this revolting development. :confused: :eek:

Makes no sense to me at all. Anyone else understand it?

[Plymouthbreezer]

Decent update. Good new features.

I just wish the upped the 30GB to 40GB and kept the price the same.

[Apple Corps]

Agreed.

Agreed also, also. I am suffering through the never ending wait for the Rev B MBP. Purchasing one of these iPods sounds like the same feeling one would have if purchasing the Yonah MBP today - good chance of regrets in the near future.

The stock market was not very impressed by SHOWTIME - it rose only 10 cents, and that was on a good day for the market with some analysts "upping" their rating on Apple.

I am starting to sense that Steve's "Reality Distortion Field" is not as effective as it used to be. Gonna ship iTV, downloads with LESS than dvd quality, outdated cpu in top of the line MBPs - we are not that impressed and neither was the market.

[jofarmer]

And we FAIL to get ability to load 640x480 H.264 Baseline encoded video "...because it cannot be played on this 11month "old" iPod." What a crock! It's a load of bullocks I tell ya!

I take it that your conversion is over and the old iPod cannot play "Hi-Res H.264" and my asumptions prior in this thread where right :/

And as I already pointed out, that owners of "old" iPod 5G will have to reconvert movies and TV series and EVERYTHING they download from this day an, since all movies and tv episodes will be in 640x480 from now on.

Geez. Unlike M$ Apple has never been to much concerned with backwards compatibility, users without at least 10.3 Panther don't get much new fun these days. But like this....?

[macfan881]

i still think theres one more piece to this i tv that we didnt see i think that we will probbaly see either before or during the relase of this itv a 40+ inch flat screen display with a hdtv Tunner and would make sense then appple would truly be multimedia Center king

[wpwj40e]

Kinda bummed. I really, really wanted a wide screen.....And since my 5g ipod ended up with my son - was in the market for one.

What to do...buy the 5.5G or hold off a little longer - maybe there will be a wide screen yet this year....

I do like most of the new features and even games. Was not impressed with the rest of the announcmeent.

[TheNightPhoenix]

just bought a music video will see the new res and if it works on "old" 5G iPods in about 5 minutes

[holycat]

Apple is in a slow fall...
I love Mac's, and will always own one. However, the Intel Mac's are buggy as hell. (Still Not Compareable to Windows) The iPod's are not as good as the PSP, except for the large hard drive (and the ease of iTunes).


PSP better than iPod??in what sense??:confused:

[pingin]

Kind of a huge gap, don'cha think? For an extra $100 I can nearly TRIPLE the capacity? Why would I even consider a 30 GB model?

Actually $100 is a lot of money. Especially if you don't need the capacity.

The main thing for me though is size. The difference in width is only a few tenths of an inch but the 30G is definitely slim and it feels pretty light in the hand. I'm not sure that's really the case with the 60G/80G. The iPod is primarily a portable device afterall.

[Multimedia]

just bought a music video will see the new res and if it works on "old" 5G iPods in about 5 minutesNope. I already tested it and it's a no-go. Do you know for sure you just bought a 640x480 H.264 music video?

[TheNightPhoenix]

Nope. I already tested it and it's a no-go.
hmmm works fine for me :) Took a while longer to load on the iPod (had ablack screen for about 5 secs) but plays fine.

[pingin]

I'm definitely going to buy one of these. Despite what it says in my profile (which I need to update really don't I?), I've been sans iPod for sometime now and was waiting for these updates. It was pretty much what I expected and I'm pretty pleased. I'm disappointed that the lower end model didn't get a little increase in capacity but it got a price drop instead so, it's not that bleak. I think the updates are quite nice though probably not worth it if you already have a 5G...
I'm just hesitating between the 2 devices now. Then there'll be the black or white dilemna...life is good :)

[TheNightPhoenix]

Checked Checked and triple Checked 35.9meg video compared to the original 16.8meg for the video before. They just take a while to load into the iPods memory. H264 and great quality.

Multimedia... you sure you updated your iPod?

[milo]

Educated guess would be "big" iPod sales will slump whilst the Nanos & Shuffles will skyrocket.

The Nanos and Shuffles already outsell the big ones. And I suspect that's how it would be regardless of what Apple does with the big model.

Many people just want something that is smaller and cheaper, and don't care that much about big capacity. Period.

[TheNightPhoenix]

just encoded 5 secs of video using the quicktime default export for ipod... now the default is 640 x 480 that plays too.

[Multimedia]

hmmm works fine for me :) Took a while longer to load on the iPod (had ablack screen for about 5 secs) but plays fine.OK Please play on computer and get info - Command i - while playing to know for certain it is 640x480 H.264. On the bottom it says Normal Size: What numbers are there? In Format: it will say H.264 if it was encoded that way. Also what is the FPS Number playing? Should be 30.

Thank you.

[Philberttheduck]

I'm very happy about the gapless playback, and battery life, but generally all these updates are pretty disappointing.

Pretty much sums up my mood hours afterwards. At the time, I was flaming pissed/disappointed. I'm pretty much utterly disappointed by this event.

But this iPod was almost "expected," from a business standpoint. Full screen iPod and iPhone; anything short of a 60/120GB iPod lineup and I'll see it as a huge letdown.

Steve's pre-Holiday event's bar is set at infinity +1.

I blame the no-show turtleneck sweater. :D

[TheNightPhoenix]

OK Please play on computer and get info - Command i - while playing to know for certain it is 640x480 H.264. On the bottom it says Normal Size: What numbers are there? In Format: it will say H.264 if it was encoded that way. Also what is the FPS Number playing? Should be 30.

Thank you.
picture attached

Edit: Tested on Three iPods now. One bought days after the first 5G was realsed right up to one bought in july... all work with itunes purchase and home encoded content.

[jofarmer]

picture attached

Edit: Tested on Three iPods now. One bought days after the first 5G was realsed right up to one bought in july... all work with itunes purchase and home encoded content.

I have never been more happy to be proven wrong. But now: Steve has been lying to us about the capabilities of this great iPod 5G for nearly a year now, just so we wouldn't anticipate the iTunes Movie Store.

What a dear.

[TheNightPhoenix]

Hope you get your iPod to work,

Interesting note, new videos load quicker on the most recently purchased iPod.

For now i'm off to bed.

[bloodycape]

Now lets see a 30gig ipod that does video decently, with some sorta of gapless playback or a 8gig nano for the same price? Hmm hard choice. Yeah right gapless(even it is software based?) and large space wins all the time. Now if they add more of a eq option and built in fm(with recording) I would for sure get one.

Now can someone confirm if gapless is true gapless or software based? I know with rockbox on the ipod you get true hardware based gapless but with this it is not clear.

Another question how is battery of video improved but not audio? And I am under the impression a brighter screen means worse battery life so in turn it could mean under real life situations video playback is more like 2.5-3 hours?

[chopsuey158]

What does this mean for the long-rumored widescreen ipod? Are they saving the new samsung 120gig drives for that? Will they wait until the hype dies down then hit it hard with the new 6g ipod like last year? Personally I like the updates, better battery, brighter screen, gapless playback(!), more storage. I just don't want to buy this and then have an uber ipod out in a month's time...

[Multimedia]

just encoded 5 secs of video using the quicktime default export for ipod... now the default is 640 x 480 that plays too.Please explain exactly how from where you did that. I am still trying with handbrake and EyeTV. The EyeTV2 export is supposed to be connected to the QuickTime but the iPod default is not H.264 640x480 in the EyetV2 Export windows.

[Multimedia]

What does this mean for the long-rumored widescreen ipod? Are they saving the new samsung 120gig drives for that? Will they wait until the hype dies down then hit it hard with the new 6g ipod like last year? Personally I like the updates, better battery, brighter screen, gapless playback(!), more storage. I just don't want to buy this and then have an uber ipod out in a month's time...Keep Your Powder Dry. It's coming. When we don't know. But no doubt on the way.

[Multimedia]

picture attached

Edit: Tested on Three iPods now. One bought days after the first 5G was realsed right up to one bought in july... all work with itunes purchase and home encoded content.How are you home encoding? From What source type of video?

Both Mainline and Baseline 2-pass encodes from Handbrake at 640x480 won't load onto my iPod.

OK as far as I can tell exports from EyeTV2 and Handbrake will not work. But exports off an existing mp4 file from QuickTime Pro will. Looks like Elgato and Handbrake have some work to do. Sorry for the confusion.

[TheNightPhoenix]

Please explain exactly how from where you did that. I am still trying with handbrake and EyeTV. The EyeTV2 export is supposed to be connected to the QuickTime but the iPod default is not H.264 640x480 in the EyetV2 Export windows.

just before i jump between covers.... a rip from handbrake in 100% quality i had from before, DV Pal footage, 720p and 1080i footage all opened in quicktime and just gone to export for iPod all worked fine.

i Have not tried any other software, but tomorrow i will have to as its kinda my job to be up on these things. will let you know how it goes

[extraextra]

I wish the games worked on a 4G iPod. I guess I'll have to wait for the warranty to expire and then for it to die before I spring for a 5G. Hopefully by then there will be a 6G widescreen iPod!

I'm more curious about the iPod nano 4GB = $149 and then the regular iPod 30GB = $249 pricing than the pricing between the 30GB and 80GB.

[bloodycape]

Too bad they didn't keep the 60gig and set its price at $300 and upgrade it also. They could have made a real killing there.

[syklee26]

can someone tell me how to do that quick scroll thingee? i get it sorta randomly.

[calculus]

Okay, so it appears that owners of 5th generation iPods (before the latest release) who update their iPod software to version 1.2 get a few cool features that come pre-loaded out of the box on the latest 5th generation iPods, but not all.

We get:

• Gapless playback

• Ability to adjust backlight brightness (I'm particularly excited about this, I've been wanting it for ages, I bet it increases battery battery life immensely with the brightness turned way down)

• When rapidly scrolling through ARTISTS we get overlayed alphabet letters which correspond to where we are on our list

• Ability to play games bought from iTunes

We don't get:

• New search function

** Video playback details yet to be determined

You also get the letters searching albums - at the moment I am finding this feature a little irritating. I love the gapless playback and the backlight control. I downloaded tetris for nostalgic reasons and it works fine.

[Multimedia]

just before i jump between covers.... a rip from handbrake in 100% quality i had from before, DV Pal footage, 720p and 1080i footage all opened in quicktime and just gone to export for iPod all worked fine.

i Have not tried any other software, but tomorrow i will have to as its kinda my job to be up on these things. will let you know how it goesOK Great. Thank you. Got it. Never used 100% Quality before although I noticed it's only a 1 pass export. But I'm willing to give it a try. So far I noticed that the H.264 doesn't look any better but is 150% larger in file size so I'm not sure if this is going to work out. Need to test on HD material.

1. Open Toast Image
2. Export 100% Quality FFmpeg one pass encode
3. Open in QuickTime Pro
4. Export Movie to iPod
5. Drag result to iTunes
6. Get Info On File
7. Add Info and Art
8. Drag to folder on iPod
9. It works!

Sorry folks. Hope this helps in the end.

Bad news is the file is 22MB and looks about the same as the 15MB non-H.264 Handbrake 2-Pass encode. So about 150% larger file size with no control over dimensions after Handbrake.

Need to SEE the HDTV Encode difference. But those encodes are going to take a LONG time. Gotta rip the toast image, then export 100% quality FFmpeg file which will be HUGE. Then rip the iPod preset - totally no control - from QT Pro. I think the result will be a much larger file size which is what I strive to avoid.

Just notified the author of Handbrake his H.264 encoder is broke.

[Harthansen]

Wasting breath on a comment like this isn't even worth it.
OH whatever Apple is great. Apple is god. Apple can do no wrong. It was that way for a while, and they will always be better then Windows, god knows I hate windows. Now, they are slipping.

-Hart

[doodosh]

I was really curious if the 5.5 G iPod has the same back finish as the U2 special edition. That would make things a lot better imo

[stracky]

I love apple - will still buy apple but i got caught up in all the iphone banter. Im jsut sick of carrying half a dozen bricks in my pocket. I like that patent about the multifucntion device, thats when i will finally relent and buy an ipod. I do have a shuffle though.

I have a PDA with touchscreen, phone, bluetooth, wireless, IR, bigger than Ipod screen, full pocket PC capabilities, camera, motion camera, games. and the thing is SMALLER than an iPod. other people can do it, its time apple stepped up, the next step for iPods is phone capabilities, cause so many phones now can play music.

also id be pretty disapointed if i was looking at the new ipod nano range. the minis were ugly and it seems that cause of the problems with the nano screens that have gone back a year and said "well lets go with somethign easy"

on a good note, that new shuffle is awesome, really suits its purpose.

[fetchmebeers]

what's with all the video issues that the old 5gen canNOT be compatible with?? and what's with the pixel number?
dammit i'm totally ignorant when it comes to tech issues.....

so can any of you please bother to elaborate about the suitable file types for both the old on and the new one?

:eek:

[Apple Shmapple]

Apple is in a slow fall...
I love Mac's, and will always own one. However, the Intel Mac's are buggy as hell. (Still Not Compareable to Windows) The iPod's are not as good as the PSP, except for the large hard drive (and the ease of iTunes).


PSP better than iPod??in what sense??:confused:

For video playback the PSP is better hands down, no contest. For music, the iPod wins hands down no contest.

Just depends on what you're in it for.

[amberashby]

I just updated my 5G, but I don't see the search function. Anyone else?

[Teddy's]

However, the Intel Mac's are buggy as hell.


NO!
my MacBook Pro is solid and strong as my previous PowerBook
No complains here

[le sacre]

i'm sorry but the 30G iPod has a stupid price. If someone is that tight and has to get an iPod, they would probably buy used.

there are plenty of reasons people might avoid buying a used ipod, or simply want a new one.

speaking for those of us who are, as you put it, "tight," i for one would appreciate it if you... didn't.

$350 is 40% more than $250. to some of us, that's a lot. i think apple understands that, and probably has some pretty damn good data behind their pricing scheme.

i have to say, reading all these whiny complaints, everyone sounds like Comic Book Store Guy from the simpsons. i don't get where exactly the sense of entitlement comes from? i mean, obviously they're doing the best they can... what, are they holding back some awesome features, just to piss you off?

[uv23]

Apple's whole new "black is top of the line" trend is thoroughly idiotic. I literally removed my credit card from my wallet when I read on the event stream that Apple had released an 8gb nano, then replaced it when I read on about the 8gb model being black only. I hate black electronics. I want an aluminum 8gb iPod to match my PowerBook. Is that so much to ask?? Fine, if they want to only allow black for 8gb, but why limit us. Stupid stupid stupid.:mad:

[appleman64]

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/bts/BTS2006Rebate.pdf

This link is for the Mac/iPod offer that was going on for the back to school season. On the last page under terms and conditions, it lists the iPods that qualify for the rebate and how much each are worth. Then in a second column there is a different price which goes into effect on 9/12/06. Has the rebate always been printed like this....If anyone has this form printed out prior today, check and see if it is like this one.

[rtdunham]

I do wish I could ultra-boost the audio on-board. Some of the video digitizations I have are too quiet.

i felt the same way as i watched a podcast today. then my brother pointed out "itunes lets you set volume level for each item in itunes: select a song/podcast/whatever. right-click on the selected item and choose "options." set the volume adjustment at a higher level. that will keep the volume for that item higher." He says it was one of many useful tips he found in the Visual Guide to iTunes 6.

[mrploddy]

So umm yeah....w00...go Apple...new Video Ipod...living in the Uk...why should I buy???????????????

Apple doesnt have ANY TV shows or Movies in the UK to buy. Why should I bother buying a video ipod now. Yeah I know I could store my FULL music collection but I want an ipod for wearability (at least for Music) when walking to school.

The deal clincher to make me buy a video ipod would be TV shows / Movies but it's been a year of TV shows for the US but ZIP / ZILCH / NADA for the UK. C'mon Apple get talking to the BBC / ITV. I'm sure you could work something out !!!!!.

And well movies is a "we hope to go international" so well meh to that.

So considering I'm not one of those people who a) wants to wear an ipod not carry b) doesnt need my complete music collection c) lives in a country where Apple has jack in terms of content what makes the Video ipod a compelling purchase :confused:

-mrploddy

[Mac Dummy]

where did the student pricing go? i guess there was an overall drop, but I was hoping to use my discount one more time before graduating

I was puzzled by this as well. As a student I was kinda disappointed. I guess Apple figured that Ipods were more for entertainment and less about helping to achieve academic persuits.

[Mac Dummy]

The new 'pod pricing seems to be at the old Education Store levels anyway. So basically they got rid of it for students and gave it to everyone.

That's right, the 5G 60Gb was $369 normally, and with the Educational discount it was $349, and the 30Gb was the same way $269 vs. $249. I least I think that's right?

[savar]

Did the engravings get shorter? Now its 27 chars per line. I thought it used to be 30 something. I can't get the same engraving that I had on my last ipod (stolen).

[acslater017]

did anyone notice how he called MahJong "May-Hong"?

[Multimedia]

what's with all the video issues that the old 5gen canNOT be compatible with?? and what's with the pixel number?
dammit i'm totally ignorant when it comes to tech issues.....

so can any of you please bother to elaborate about the suitable file types for both the old on and the new one?

:eek:This Handbrake tutorial is pretty complete (http://www.freesmug.org/tutorial/handbrake/). But you need to substitute the H.264 max dimension of 320x240 up to 640x480 the new MAX. Trouble is, as far as I can tell, the Handbrake H.264 encode to those new dimensions yields files that won't load onto Video iPods. So far only a QT Pro no options fixed iPod export works. But those files are about 150% larger than similar non-H.264 files. I have written the author of Handbrake (http://handbrake.m0k.org/) about this problem. Hopefully it will get fixed in the next month or so - I hope.

[SethEarl]

Does anyone else think something more might be coming? With the price drop of both models and the lack of drastic changes ie the rumored full screen, bluetooth, and virtual click wheel?
Could there be a "one more thing..." next week?

[Mac Rules]

How do you use the search function guys?
Also, how do you ge the littel letter to appear, when scrolling through your playlists etc..

Cheers

[yojitani]

This is probably old news by now, but the new ipods/nanos don't qualify for the $179 return apple is giving students when the buy an ipod with a computer... bummer.

[TheNightPhoenix]

So far I noticed that the H.264 doesn't look any better but is 150% larger in file size.

The files are much larger both the bought stuff and the home encodes. (but thats what you expect with four times the pixels) but they look fantastic when your ipod is connected to a tv compared to the old encodes.

[Multimedia]

The files are much larger both the bought stuff and the home encodes. (but thats what you expect with four times the pixels) but they look fantastic when your ipod is connected to a tv compared to the old encodes.Yes except I have been getting excellent looking TV playback from iPod w/oH.264 by encoding 544x400 SD and 624x352 HD and I am able to keep the bit rate down to no more than 1000kbps HD and 700 SD still looking great.

The Apple H.264 Fixed Export bitrate is aparently 1500 kbps which I think is excessive and unnecessary.

To sum up after testing the new H.264 640x480 fixed preset encoder Apple offers in QT Pro:

1. Result is a 640x480 1639kbps 222MB mp4 movie after three stage process that takes much longer than:
2. NON H.264 Two-pass Handbrake FFmpeg encoding 544x400 - Max res allowed pre-iPod 1.2 - 739kbps 100MB mp4 movie looks almost the same.
3. I'm gonna have to remain a NON-H.264 advocate under these circumstances.

I just can't see the additional file size being worth it. In fact, my guess is, if I could control the size of the H.264 export, the 100MB version would be inferior to the Handbrake NON version @ 100MB 2-pass. They are just that close when looking at both of the above.

Note: We don't yet know what the new NON H.264 maximum resolution is that is still iPod compatible under the new 1.2 OS. We can't assume it's also 640 x 480 without H.264 encoding. That is not clear at all yet.

[martg]

So the reasons to buy if you live in GB include:
Housekeeping updates to the year old 5G iPod
No access to TV shows - but if you could they would be 60% brighter!!!
No access to movies - again potentially 60% brighter though
But best of all you can pay £260 for the 80GB version (only £70 more than those in America) or you can buy the 30GB version for £200 - a massive price drop of £10 and indeed the price that the Americans will pay for the 80GB iPod.
Yet another great endorsement for Apple international PR - and to be honest I agree with the whole “don’t blame the company thing” but with a little knowledge of import tax and the fact that other services allow downloads of their programing in the UK - it is genuinely Apple that are lacking here to support their non US fan-base!

[sushi]

did anyone notice how he called MahJong "May-Hong"?
Yep. Got a little chuckle out of that. Fun game.

[sushi]

Does anyone else think something more might be coming? With the price drop of both models and the lack of drastic changes ie the rumored full screen, bluetooth, and virtual click wheel?
Could there be a "one more thing..." next week?
Apple will eventually introduce a true video iPod.

My guess will be after bigger 1.8 inch HDs are released.

I don't expect this until after New Years.

[sunfast]

Are independent developers going to be able to make iPod games? Maybe porting some of the freeware/shareware out there? Or is this an Apple only money spinner?

[teme]

Fullscreen touchscreen video iPod is going to be the biggest change to iPod since the 1st generation iPod was released, so I'm not surprised that it is taking so long. All the previous generations have just included some smaller updates (click-wheel, color screen, smaller size, new features etc).

I'll probably buy the 80GB version before Christmas. I have waited for a large capacity for a long time, and the new model seems to be great (although it's not that fullscreen 6G iPod). It has a good battery life, large capacity, nice new features... enough "new" to replace my old 30GB iPod, bought in 2003.

[rockthecasbah]

Does anyone know how to get into the quick search on the 5G iPods? I updated mine with the 1.2 software but I only see the quick scrolling letter thing.

[mclihah2]

I ordered a black 80GB Ipod last night, after approval from the wife.

I had a bad feeling about it, and promtly cancelled this morning.

My current Ipod is a 60GB Photo, and I have been looking to upgrade to video for some time, but I can't shake the feeling that this update was very minor, with a price reduction thrown into the equation.

I reckon, macworld in January there will be the iTV (or whatever it's called), and a new 6G widescreen iPod, with a few more movie companies thrown in.

So I think I'll ride it out until then.

[VespR]

Pretty weak update to the "flagship" pod. I bought a nano last month (glad I did, hate the colours, and wouldn't feel happy about paying £100 more just to get it in black). I'll assume black nanos/vpods have been booming so they thought they'd slap a premium on it this time, bit harsh really.

The software update is, well, a software update. They could have rolled that out anytime over the last year but it always bodes well with a new 'product'. Also all the talk on battery life, I suspect that has nothing to do with a different or better battery but rather Apples default settings on brightness/volume. I find everytime I play my ipod on Apples default volume setting, I get more or less what's said on the tin. Shame it's too quiet for the London Transport System (tubes/trains) to listen to so I'm forced to turn it up and lose a few hours. I suspect the default brightness level will be lower than what it was initially which has resulted in the increase in life.

I do want an vPod, and around the 60/80GB mark (30 -> 80 jump is crazy?!), but not with that size screen. I'll wait till it's in wide, and then tune into Lost/24 on the commute so I can actually see what's going on. Plus I'm sure they should be getting slimmer these days... Steves year of HD really isn't working out like I thought...

[iGary]

I ordered a black 80GB Ipod last night, after approval from the wife.

I had a bad feeling about it, and promtly cancelled this morning.

My current Ipod is a 60GB Photo, and I have been looking to upgrade to video for some time, but I can't shake the feeling that this update was very minor, with a price reduction thrown into the equation.

I reckon, macworld in January there will be the iTV (or whatever it's called), and a new 6G widescreen iPod, with a few more movie companies thrown in.

So I think I'll ride it out until then.

I was ready to buy the next great iPod thing yesterday. My credit card went promptly back into my wallet and will remin there until we have a "real" iPod update.

Kind of disappointed this is what Apple sees fit to go into the holiday season with. Guess the rumours about the new iPod large screen being way behind were true.

I can't help but think they wanted to launch iTV with the movies as well - otherwise we would have never seen it.

*disappointed*

I will be buying a shuffle when someone builds a sports case for it, though.

[Manic Mouse]

A stop-gap update to keep iPod sales flowing, while they work on the real update, if I ever saw one: Minor and irrelvant upgrades, price lowered.

The "true" video-iPod will be here within 6 months.

[Bern]

The Nano and Shuffles are great updates but the iPod is nothing worth me buying over my current 5th Gen iPod. I can't see myself playing lame games, 60% brighter doesn't mean too much and the "new" software could have been supplied as a free update to current 5G models.

I think I'll hang out for the genuine iPod update next year before I consider updating my 6 month old 5G one.

[praetorian909]

can someone tell me how to do that quick scroll thingee? i get it sorta randomly.

I just tried it, it seems to trigger when I make 2 or 3 revolutions on the scroll week. I'm already liking it a lot, a very welcomed new feature :)

[praetorian909]

Does anyone know how to get into the quick search on the 5G iPods? I updated mine with the 1.2 software but I only see the quick scrolling letter thing.

It seems like this feature is only available only on the new iPod (as many people previously mentioned). I can't help but wonder if this was purposefully left out, because you'd think it be easily added in a firmware update.

Oh well, the quick scroll thing is good enough for me...

[kirk26]

This is the first time I've thought about getting an iPod since the 4G.

[Multimedia]

Does anyone know how to get into the quick search on the 5G iPods? I updated mine with the 1.2 software but I only see the quick scrolling letter thing.Pretty sure Quick Search Is Only On New 5.5G iPods. :(

[7on]

This is the first time I've thought about getting an iPod since the 4G.

First time I've thought about getting an iPod since the 2G

[XArt@justinks.c]

Has any one tested any games on the 5G iPods after updating to 1.2

or is it only 5.5G iPods.

[Sweener88]

Remember that these are not "NEW" iPods, Steve said they were just enhancing them so all the people that are upset with the new features and say "they could have updated it anytime" need to realize that its just a small EHANCEMENT nothing new like the nano's. Here's a link to a pic i took that proofs that the letters appear as of 1.2. iv been on so many forms since yesterdays new that I'm not sure if it was this one but someone said that this wasn't part of 1.2 update.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63548361@N00/241971800/

[XArt@justinks.c]

Apart from the word serach not being on 5GiPod, only the new 5GiPod has it (but seem that this is incorect, proberly some hidden option to enable).
It dose 640x480 h.264 when updated to 1.2 but still need to find out if it dose games as well as the new improved video size.

has the new iPods been givev improved ARM7 or upgraded to ARM9 for games or is it the same and just needs 1.2 for games as well as 640x480 video

[milo]

I have never been more happy to be proven wrong. But now: Steve has been lying to us about the capabilities of this great iPod 5G for nearly a year now, just so we wouldn't anticipate the iTunes Movie Store.

Lying? Come on. It already supported 640 in mpeg4, he never said it couldn't support other resolutions in the future with a firmware/software update. Did he ever say, "The hardware makes it impossible to ever support 640 with h.264"? No.

[ezekielrage_99]

I was expecting more....but I'm a 'glass half empty' sort of fella

I was hoping for a colour choice from the new iPods, but so of the new features are cool.

[nybe]

so, how does one go about getting the 1.2 update? It does not appear in my version of iTunes7

[Multimedia]

so, how does one go about getting the 1.2 update? It does not appear in my version of iTunes7Install Quicktime 7.1.3 (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/mac.html) then install iTunes 7 (http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/). Connect your 3-5G iPod. Updater will appear in the new iTunes when you highligh the iPod in the left column. Eazy Peezy. :)

Hey everybody Big News
NBC Today Show went High Definition today!

[nybe]

Install Quicktime 7.1.3 (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/mac.html) then install iTunes 7 (http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/). Connect your 3-5G iPod. Updater will appear in the new iTunes when you highligh the iPod in the left column. Eazy Peezy. :)

Hey everybody Big News
NBC Today Show went High Definition today!

okay got it!! thank yah sir!
btw, I have beach envy... SC rules!

[BigHat]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, someone reply to my post....
as a person who just purchased the last version of 5gen video ipod, this comes to me as quite a shock really.... i knew this was coming but actaully hoping that it was everything 'rumor' but turns out it's not.....

anyway, my point is:

WHY DIDN'T STEVE MENTION 30 GIG IPOD, WHILE MOST OF THE ATTENTION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON 8O GIG SOLELY??

although 30 and 80 seem to share most of the new features which are obviously crap(game? who plays that? and search bar? i don't need that crap, too shabby, biatch)
but the thing is BATTERY, gosh

they've plugged about how their new 80 gen has total 20 hrs of battery life and 6.5 hrs of video play, but what about freaking 30???? I SERIOUSLY WANNA KNOW.

i've been to apple store and engadget for live broadcast, but there was no info whatsoever on 30's battery, other than its MAXIMUM battery was 14.... the thing i wanna know is its VIDEO MAXIMUM BATTERY.... is it, again 2 hours? i hope so!! cause i just bought this ol' **** at such higher price and now i feel totally duped. well it was my fault in the first place but i thought it was all RUMOR......................GAWD



Did you fall asleep watching it? He started the dicussion on battery life WITH the 30gb model and explained the improvement there before mentioning the 80gb. True, the 80gb was discussed a tad bit more, but the wrap up on price, songs held, display brightness AND batttery life watching video covered the 30gb.

Edit: I stand corrected on what's on the site. You're right about that. Even in the detailed comparison only music battery life is compared. Of course, you could simply compare that spec and get a ratio you could apply. A 30gb should have 4.55 hours of video capacity.

[brad.c]

I had ripped my Finding Nemo DVD so my daughter could watch on my 5G 60Gb iPod during a flight last month. I ripped them into individual chapters, and transferred them as sequential movies under a Finding Nemo video playlist. Worked great, except for the playback gap between chapters.

Now, with my MBP and my iPod fully updated, the gapless feature is selectable when the chapters are selected as a group, but not individually (Part of a gapless album is greyed out). And the gaps remain.

Not a biggie, but interesting nonetheless. Or am I that boring? (Rhetorically asked. Replies are redundantly unnecessary.)

[adese]

just ordered a black 80gb w/ engraving

estimated ship : sept 18
estimated delivery : sept 25

[askthedust]

I have the 60GB old 5gb ipod and i updated it to version 1.2 see my previous post on how to do if anyone hasn't figured it out yet. I get the scrolling letter thing. Mine does play games now. Bought Mahjong and played it a few times. It does have a load time to play the game which sucks, I already have to deal with that on my PSP. Once loaded, game plays well and smoothly. do not have the fast search feature under music menu. that would have been nice to have. why give us one and not the other? happy about the support for larger video size. But will probably stick to buying DVD's and using handbrake. ITV would change that if you can download directly to it and sync it with ipod using tv to complete these steps.