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MacRumors
Mar 31, 2003, 05:13 PM
Kodawarisan claims (http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/) new iBooks tomorrow at 1GHz (G3) as well as a backlit keyboard.



Freg3000
Mar 31, 2003, 05:22 PM
Hmmmmmm......Even though I really really really want to see new iBooks tomorrow, these types of rumors actually lower my expectations. Such outlandish predictions like a back lit keyboard make me think this is a joke-an April Fool's joke.

Would Kodawarisan do an April Fool's joke like that? How reputable are they?

Foucault
Mar 31, 2003, 05:22 PM
I don't think so. New iPod is more likely than a new iBook. iBooks are still plentiful in the supply department, while iPods are scarce.

t^3
Mar 31, 2003, 05:25 PM
It's a good thing this is on Page 2 because I really doubt that there will be iBooks that have a clock speed faster than the 12" pBook and backlit kb's, which aren't on the 12" pBooks, unless the 12" pBooks are updated tomorrow too, which is even more unlikely.

arn
Mar 31, 2003, 05:28 PM
not sure if japan celebrates April Fools....

arn

ebow
Mar 31, 2003, 05:32 PM
Good point about April Fools... I guess it's tomorrow (well, April 1st) over there already.

Let's hope Apple's April Fools gag is to end their multi-month joke of iPod stagnation. :rolleyes:

macrumors12345
Mar 31, 2003, 05:43 PM
Yeah, Apple is really going to release a 1 Ghz iBook when the 12" Powerbook only runs at 867 mhz and costs 50% more. That would make a lot of business sense. I smell April Fools.

ibjoshua
Mar 31, 2003, 05:47 PM
babelfish he say:
"As for the Applo, it seems that American time 1st morning announces the new iBook series o'clock of 9. According to information, the new flat white iBook, when PowercPc G3/1ghz loading, also the back light keyboard which is adopted for the PowerBook G4 is equipped in the superior type, is thing. Furthermore, the apple mark it seems that can select as much as 6 color types due to the BTO. "


hmmm 6 color types?

i_b_joshua

NavyIntel007
Mar 31, 2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Foucault
I don't think so. New iPod is more likely than a new iBook. iBooks are still plentiful in the supply department, while iPods are scarce.

so we'll have 1 GHZ ipods in 6 colors? :D

wsteineker
Mar 31, 2003, 05:56 PM
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I really think this is a joke. Seriously, people. Six colors? Come on... :)

NavyIntel007
Mar 31, 2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by macrumors12345
Yeah, Apple is really going to release a 1 Ghz iBook when the 12" Powerbook only runs at 867 mhz and costs 50% more. That would make a lot of business sense. I smell April Fools.

There have been occations when the ibook clock speed was faster than the powerbooks...

seamuskrat
Mar 31, 2003, 06:08 PM
I had recently read that Apple put off an announcement that was invite only to the press the past 2 weeks because of Political issues/War issues. Could be just a catch up of what was to be released a few weeks back.
Also, NAB is very soon. I would suspect any SOUND/MUSIC related hardware/software would be released/anniunced then.
As for this rumors. 6 colors seems rather off. I think the colors for the iMac helped get some attention, but I thinks its a fad past its prime and wholly not needed to sell laptops. Of course a 1 Gig G3 with L2 and good video accel would be a rather nice addition to the 'year of the laptop'.

My guess is that Apple is a bit overdue on release announcements due to geo-political issues and has a fedw ready to go over the next weeks.

TheInevitable
Mar 31, 2003, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by wsteineker
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I really think this is a joke. Seriously, people. Six colors? Come on... :)

I know. Like Apple's really going to make 6 colors! I can see probably 2 colors. MAYBE 4 colors, but definetly not 6 colors.

jimjiminyjim
Mar 31, 2003, 06:16 PM
Well, at least the rumor gives us something to talk about. The string of weekly updates not so very long ago has made this past little while very tedious.

This wasn't a rumor for clamshell ibooks... was it? ;)

t^3
Mar 31, 2003, 06:17 PM
Hmm...only one occasion I can think of where all iBooks were faster than the low-end pBook (for the 5 months after the dual USB iBook's intro, the iBook was at 500, and the pBook was at 400/500). I guess the iBook also did get a combo drive, albeit tray-loading, before the pBooks got one, so it's still possible...

pyrotoaster
Mar 31, 2003, 06:19 PM
I'd love to see these new iBooks. If this is true, I'll be very happy. Although this is definately a page 2 story.

DrGonzo
Mar 31, 2003, 06:49 PM
How about instead of a new ibook, we see the 15" PB. That I would like to see and buy :)

ratspg
Mar 31, 2003, 06:55 PM
If a new ibook in 6 different colors was on its way even at 1ghz... wow i'd go for one and sell my powerbook g4 and just keep an ibook and get a powermac too. But come on, i don't thiiiiink so, at least something was stirred up to come up with this April Fools style joke, which we'll just find out about tomorrow like usual...:confused:

cubist
Mar 31, 2003, 07:00 PM
Maybe it's just the 14", which hasn't been that big of a seller... And changing colors on the iBook should be very easy, just put a little mylar 'skin' inside the clear case. I think they should let users do their own, FTM.

BeigeUser
Mar 31, 2003, 07:12 PM
Kodawarisan has a very bad track record in terms of rumors. That being said, here is an accurate translation of the article:

It seems that Apple will release the new ibook series at 9 a.m. on the 1st (of April) U.S. time. According to the information that I gathered, the matte white-colored ibook will be use the 1GHz PowerPC G3 and the most expensive model will have the backlit keyboard used on the Powerbook G4's. Also, the Apple Logo can be ordered in 6 different colors BTO.

edit: Actually, the original wording of the last sentence is a bit vague. There is a possibility that the author meant that the ibook has a BTO 6-color Apple logo.

pyrotoaster
Mar 31, 2003, 07:18 PM
That translation is a little different. What if (wild speculation alert) the Apple logo changes colors through "Dynamic Ornamental Appearance." But as I said, that's completely wild speculation. :p

BeigeUser
Mar 31, 2003, 07:29 PM
I just wrote an e-mail to Mr. Kodawarisan. Maybe he can elaborate on the 6-color logo.

pyrotoaster
Mar 31, 2003, 07:35 PM
Has anyone considered the idea that Steve Jobs might get a kick out of making a major release on April Fools Day. ;)

aethier
Mar 31, 2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
Kodawarisan claims (http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/) new iBooks tomorrow at 1GHz (G3) as well as a backlit keyboard and 6 colors Build To Order.

Yes... i am sure thats gonna happen, seeing as how the 12inch powerbook doesnt even have backlit keyboard..

-aethier

QCassidy352
Mar 31, 2003, 07:56 PM
oh... :( I'd be sooo excited if this were true, but we haven't heard any rumors even vaugely along these lines. There's no way this is true, but it would be the best release I could hope for...

sedarby
Mar 31, 2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by BeigeUser
Kodawarisan has a very bad track record in terms of rumors. That being said, here is an accurate translation of the article:

It seems that Apple will release the new ibook series at 9 a.m. on the 1st (of April) U.S. time. According to the information that I gathered, the matte white-colored ibook will be use the 1GHz PowerPC G3 and the most expensive model will have the backlit keyboard used on the Powerbook G4's. Also, the Apple Logo can be ordered in 6 different colors BTO.

edit: Actually, the original wording of the last sentence is a bit vague. There is a possibility that the author meant that the ibook has a BTO 6-color Apple logo.

To which I must ask, why in the world would anyone care what the logo looks like. Is anyone really going to pay for a multi-colored logo?

Anyway, my money is on no iBook tomorrow. I agree that is probably just a joke. However, if it does happen I will be pleasantly surprised.

pyrotoaster
Mar 31, 2003, 08:11 PM
I think, generally speaking, most of us will be pleasantly surprised if Apple releases new iBooks tomorrow, even if these specs are wrong.

I've been saving up for months now, and am hesitant to buy an iBook because I'm convinced new ones are coming soon. I didn't think this soon, but the sooner the better!

EponymousCow
Mar 31, 2003, 08:12 PM
I'd be very surprised if there was an update tomorrow. If you go put a 12" or 14" iBook in your shopping cart at the Apple store right now, it will tell you it is available for same day shipping.

Maybe a new 14" that slots in above the existing ones at a higher price. Apple did just lower the price of the 14". Maybe a $100-150 over the price of the current 14" with bluetooth and Airport extreme available? We know IBM makes a 1GHZ PPC 750FX. It could go for the market that thinks a 12" screen is too small and the 15" PB is too expensive.

I doubt it though.

timbloom
Mar 31, 2003, 08:22 PM
I wouldn't think this was a bs rumor if they didn't mention a 6-color apple logo or available in 6 colors. And I would not be suprised to see a 1ghz ibook, considering they are due for Airport Extreme anyways. But all this nonsense pretty much smells of a joke.

pyrotoaster
Mar 31, 2003, 08:25 PM
I actually think Apple will bring the iBook to 1GHz G3 power. They'll have to justify the AlBook's cost with its G4.

I also would really like it if Apple brought back a color scheme in its products. Six colors does sound like a little much, but let's not forget the Five-Flavor "Lifesavers" iMacs.

QCassidy352
Mar 31, 2003, 08:32 PM
aaah, the suspense is killing me now!! Why'd they have to go and get my hopes up with a rumor that is sure to be false??

Centris 650
Mar 31, 2003, 08:37 PM
Well, this would be good timing! My 466SE is giving me some problems. Seems like a good time to upgrade!

NavyIntel007
Mar 31, 2003, 08:37 PM
It's false, don't sweat it.

DHagan4755
Mar 31, 2003, 08:40 PM
From PowerBook central.com:



$50 off new iBooks for a limited time
Sunday, March 30 2003 @ 12:14 PM CT | Article Link
Amazon.com has all three iBook models discounted right now by as much as $50. Here is the breakdown:

- 14" iBook/Combo: $1444
- 12" iBook/Combo: $1244
- 12" iBook/CD: $944.30

As with PowerBooks (see previous news article), these are the lowest prices we've seen from any Apple authorized internet/catalog reseller. Better act now, because these prices probably won't last long. In addition to the discounted prices, Amazon is including a free Lexar Media 64 MB JumpDrive portable USB flash drive (code PCUSBDRVBNDL -- expires on March 31st) or Logitech Cordless Access Duo and Move2Mac software (code APPLSWTCBNDL -- expires March 30th).

Does Amazon know something we don't?

Mr. G4
Mar 31, 2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by arn
not sure if japan celebrates April Fools....

arn

Hey Arn,

It's universal :p

avus
Mar 31, 2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by BeigeUser
Kodawarisan has a very bad track record in terms of rumors. That being said, here is an accurate translation of the article:

It seems that Apple will release the new ibook series at 9 a.m. on the 1st (of April) U.S. time. According to the information that I gathered, the matte white-colored ibook will be use the 1GHz PowerPC G3 and the most expensive model will have the backlit keyboard used on the Powerbook G4's. Also, the Apple Logo can be ordered in 6 different colors BTO.

edit: Actually, the original wording of the last sentence is a bit vague. There is a possibility that the author meant that the ibook has a BTO 6-color Apple logo.

There is nothing vague about what Kodawarisan claims. It said that the 6-color logo can be ordered as BTO option - they never said 6 different colors. Their claim is that Apple will bring back the old-style multi-color Apple logo.

I know everything in Kodawarisan hasn't been translated into English, but they did predict a new notebook that has a metal casing and is smaller than the current iBook last year - which turned out to be the Powerbook 12-inch. Therefore I wouldn't dismiss their claim out right like some of you.

MrMacMan
Mar 31, 2003, 08:45 PM
I say B.S but we all could be wrong... why DESTROY your powerbook sales by having a 1GHZ G3.

General users would be confused and purplexed, like me if it happens.

Shaktai
Mar 31, 2003, 09:22 PM
There isn't that much price difference between a top end iBook and the 12" Powerbook.

A 14" iBook with a 1ghz G3 and a less powerful GPU (mobility Radeon 7500 vs GForce 4 420go) plus larger size appeals to a different audience then the 12" PowerBook. As a result, one would not necessarily hurt the sales of the other.

If you need the faster GPU, and Altivec capabilities, plus smaller size, you will go with the Powerbook. If you don't need those capabilities, but prefer more raw CPU capability, then you might go for the iBook. If you need the G4 capabilities at faster speed, then your option is the larger Powerbooks (at higher cost). And let's not forget the difference in system bus speed.

As to the colored Apple logo, it would be a simple insert on a BTO, if someone wanted it. Will it happen? My instinct says not yet, but then it wouldn't be the first time Apple surprised us. I would expect that if it does happen, it will be more of an incremental speed bump replacing the 700mhz and leaving the 800mhz G3 as low end.

BeigeUser
Mar 31, 2003, 09:27 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by avus
There is nothing vague about what Kodawarisan claims. It said that the 6-color logo can be ordered as BTO option - they [B]never said 6 different colors. Their claim is that Apple will bring back the old-style multi-color Apple logo.


I am starting to agree with you that Kodawarisan meant 6-color logo rather than 6 logo colors. But Kodawarisan never claimed that Apple will bring back the old style multi-color Apple logo.

Regarding the questions of April Fool's: There are many people in Japan who know about the April fool's culture but very few actually say April fool's jokes.

Regarding the marketability of BTO logos: At least in Japan, some people like to customize their ibooks. You can find custom plastic lids for the ibooks at any major mac store in Tokyo. The most common is the jaguar skin and the military camoflauge cover. I'm not sure if this is a worldwide phenomena or related only to Tokyo. But I can see why Kodawarisan's Japanese site would want to note such a rumor.

ozubahn
Mar 31, 2003, 09:29 PM
The Japanese character for "color" has two meanings, the other being "lust." Perhaps Kodawarisan is simply referring to six BTO options, each of which inspires a different type of lust. :)

crzyhanko
Mar 31, 2003, 11:54 PM
I don't remember from seeing disassembled iBooks how much space there is, but am I the only one that thinks different colored LEDs behind the apple logo would be a neat way to change its color? I seem to remember that on the TiBook at least, the apple is illuminated from the screen light. I don't know if it is similar on the iBook. But a little shielding and some power should allow for LEDs that could be selected some how from software. Probably more work than it is worth though, but as the reference earlier to their patent suggests, they do have some sort of research into changing the lighting on things for decorative purposes.

anyway, i think it is a cool idea, but probably more so if you're one of the few with a mod and spiffy colors.

avus
Apr 1, 2003, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by BeigeUser
I am starting to agree with you that Kodawarisan meant 6-color logo rather than 6 logo colors. But Kodawarisan never claimed that Apple will bring back the old style multi-color Apple logo.

Regarding the questions of April Fool's: There are many people in Japan who know about the April fool's culture but very few actually say April fool's jokes.


But what else does "6-color logo" imply, other than the classic multi-colored Apple logo?

Anyway, I now believe that this is their April Fools joke, because I noticed the title of the original post (in translation) as:

Brand New!? iBook/1Ghz

We shouldn't take anything too seriously when someone put an emphasis on the title with "!?," right?:)

shadowfax
Apr 1, 2003, 01:07 AM
apple can go and smack themselves for all i care, and this definitely seems like a joke, but GOD, tomorrow is tuesday, and i am sick of these boring tuesdays. they need to release SOMETHING, for crying out loud.

personally, though, i think iPods are more likely.

the funny thing about that kodwarisan report is how precipitated it is. i mean, if it were really a joke, it seems like they sould have the sensibility to make it seem more realistic. but perhaps that would make the payoff less funny.

neutrino23
Apr 1, 2003, 05:24 AM
I think this is an April Fools Joke. These are pretty rare in Japan but not unknown. As Kodawari-san is in touch with Americans he could easily have picked up this idea. I think the idea of a revival of the six-color logo is a give-away. No way that is coming back, much as I like it.

The Japan Times used to run an April Fools Article (maybe they still do). I recall one from not longer after Tokyo Dome was built. The article claimed that it had been discovered that the dome was built in the wrong place and now sat partially (about one meter) on the neighbors property. They listed two or three outlandish schemes for moving the dome. One was to employ traditional Japanese hard work and have a large number of workers in a chain manually disassemble the dome and reassemble shifted over by one meter. Another was to use a blimp to float the dome over one meter. In a follow up story a few days later they revealed that the officials in charge of the dome went into a panic when they read the article and made great efforts trying to find out why the dome was in the wrong place and who was in charge of moving it back. They were not amused to learn it was a joke.

Squire
Apr 1, 2003, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by arn
not sure if japan celebrates April Fools....

arn

They do in Korea, although not with as much vigor as Westerners seem to have an April 1st. Quite possible that they do over there, too.

Squire

DakotaGuy
Apr 1, 2003, 06:54 AM
I don't know if they would do this because if you look at some of the benchmarks right now the iBook 800 G3 is staying right with the Powerbook 867 G4. In MOST tasks I think a 1Ghz 750fx would outrun an 867Mhz G4. Then why would you pay more for the 12" Powerbook? It seems to me that some people have also said the iBook has a better video card the the current 12" Powerbook. If the iBook was a 1Ghz and was much lower price then the Powerbook...what would be the selling point? The available SuperDrive? Personally I would LOVE a 1Ghz G3 iBook, it would be a great little computer!

avus
Apr 1, 2003, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Squire
Quite possible that they do over there, too.


Yahoo! Japan posted a page called "Yahoo! Japan Memories Encounter" - a service to retrieve memory, and then display it on computer monitors. They posted this picture of an USB device that transfers signals called "Memory Catcher."

http://event.yahoo.co.jp/20030401/img/catcher.jpg

I also found this URL (warning: Japanese content only), so I am sure that they do celebrate it "over there":rolleyes:

http://www.aprilfool.jp/index.html

abdul
Apr 1, 2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by BeigeUser
Kodawarisan has a very bad track record in terms of rumors. That being said, here is an accurate translation of the article:

It seems that Apple will release the new ibook series at 9 a.m. on the 1st (of April) U.S. time. According to the information that I gathered, .

maybe someone is playinmg a april fools joke on them, knowing they were going to publish it

pyrotoaster
Apr 1, 2003, 10:41 AM
Assuming they mean 9 a.m. Pacific Time, we still have 20 minutes before we can let this go completely.

I'd like to see this released, but I really do doubt it. April Fools, everyone.

avus
Apr 1, 2003, 05:39 PM
...that they do have a sense of humor.

April Fool's Day(^-^)

daniel77
Apr 1, 2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Mr. G4
Hey Arn,

It's universal :p

untrue, I know for a fact that Spain and Mexico do not celebrate April Fools Day on this day.

QCassidy352
Apr 1, 2003, 06:55 PM
[i]It seems to me that some people have also said the iBook has a better video card the the current 12" Powerbook.[/B]

I don't think this is true... in fact, I think that the 12" PB's video card compares pretty favorably even with the 15" PB's video card (which is the Radeon 9000, an upgrade from the ibook's Radeon 7500).

From macspeedzone.com:

"The 12 inch PowerBook also has a different graphics card, the NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go. Our test showed a 16% to 30% performance improvement over the 15 inch PowerBook's ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 when playing demanding games."

shadowfax
Apr 1, 2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by QCassidy352
"The 12 inch PowerBook also has a different graphics card, the NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go. Our test showed a 16% to 30% performance improvement over the 15 inch PowerBook's ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 when playing demanding games."

i have such massive issues with this. someone is writing bad drivers on purpose. if you compare the GF4 440 Go with the radeon M9000 (with the same RAM) on a PC, the M9000 wins quite easily, not to mention what it'd beat the 420 by. Stupid marketing crap, why can't apple just write reasonable drivers?