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caveman_uk

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September 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. (8)

February 1982. Despite objections from Congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. (1)

December 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. (9)

1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. (4)

November 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. (1) (15)

November 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the U.S. government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other
industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. (14)

October 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. (16)

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. (1)

December 20 1983. Donald Rumsfeld, then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. (1) (15)

July 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. (19)

January 14 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. (2)

March 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the U.S. becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. (10)

May 1986. The U.S. Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. (3)

May 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. (7)

March 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. (17)

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. (1)

February 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. (8)

April 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. (7)

August 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. (6) (13)

August 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. (8)

August 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. (8)

September 1988. U.S. Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. (7)

September 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." (15)

December 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. (1)

July 25, 1990. U.S. Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations." Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the U.S. would not respond. (12)

August 1990. Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. (8)

Sources

1. Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002
2. Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91
3. Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002
4. Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002
5. ABC Nightline. June 9, 1992
6. Counter Punch, October 10, 2002
7. Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994
8. Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State
9. Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear
10. Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002
11. Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991
12. Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002
13. Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com
14. Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate
15. Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal
16. Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992
17. Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair
18. Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez
19. Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post.
15 December, 1986
20. http://WWW.gendercide.com
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http://www.gendercide.com/ Case Study: The Anfal Campaign

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Kid Red

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A bit flame-ish but I'll bite. Firtsly, war is war and in war you help your interests. For whatever reason, the Iraqi's were where our better intrests lied. Now, a legit war against another warring nation is completely different then one aggressor raging against non aggressors. Irag/Saddam just got too big for his britches and word got out. Then he attacked a neighbor, then he sponosred terrorists who later attacked the US. Their are more reasons I'm sure, but this happens all the time where a nation sells waepons to another only to have it bite them in the ass later down the line.

Look what we did for Osama.
 

beatle888

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maybe we shouldnt let puppets fight a war for us. we need to be more responsible about who we give power to. you would think if "this happens all the time" then we would find some other way instead of enabeling a tyrant.
 

caveman_uk

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Originally posted by Kid Red
but this happens all the time where a nation sells waepons to another only to have it bite them in the ass later down the line.

Look what we did for Osama.
Let me ask a question. If you keep feeding dogs and all they did was bite you in the ass perhaps it's about time you gave up feeding dogs?
 

zimv20

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Originally posted by Kid Red
then he sponosred terrorists who later attacked the US.

if you can prove that, bush, the FBI, the CIA, the pentagon and the NSA would _love_ to see your evidence.
 

FatTony

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Originally posted by Kid Red
A bit flame-ish but I'll bite.

There is no flame bait here. Just some facts that don't paint the Reagan and Bush administrations in very good light. Every administration has shady deals. It's just that these happened to be illegal, immoral and mostly indefensible.
 

pseudobrit

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Originally posted by Kid Red
A bit flame-ish but I'll bite. Firtsly, war is war and in war you help your interests. For whatever reason, the Iraqi's were where our better intrests lied. Now, a legit war against another warring nation is completely different then one aggressor raging against non aggressors. Irag/Saddam just got too big for his britches and word got out. Then he attacked a neighbor, then he sponosred terrorists who later attacked the US.

See sections 1 and 5 of tired war arguments.
 

zimv20

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Originally posted by Kid Red
For whatever reason, the Iraqi's were where our better intrests lied.

"the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

reagan and co. were concerned that, after the revolution, the iranian style of islam would spread to other middle eastern countries. so they more or less persuaded iraq to start a war w/ iran.

but it gets a little tricky. the iran-contra affair armed iran w/, among other things, TOW anti-tank missiles. the iraqis got a little suspicious once their tanks started getting destroyed, wondering who the US was supporting after all.

there was the attack on the stark, the israelis taking out a work-in-progress iraqi nuclear reactor, that odd downing of the iranian passenger plane, et. al.

it's all very complicated, grey areas, secret deals. a long history -- i'm assuming you're unfamiliar with it. but don't worry, the enemies of today will be the friends of tomorrow, then enemy, then friend. you know, whatever suits the administration in the short term.

in supporting the war, perhaps you are unknowningly doing nothing more than supporting this administration's short term plans. how many times are you willing to believe the adminstration every time they change their story?
 

Sedulous

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I'm curious how many of those sources are credible, or simply confused.

Don't get me wrong, I have no love of "da dub" or his father. Like any independent person, I question things. Certainly some of those sources are goin to be biased. Some are going to be out of context. Others might be all out lies.
 

pseudobrit

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Jul 23, 2002
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Originally posted by Sedulous
I'm curious how many of those sources are credible, or simply confused.

Don't get me wrong, I have no love of "da dub" or his father. Like any independent person, I question things. Certainly some of those sources are goin to be biased. Some are going to be out of context. Others might be all out lies.

I think most of those sources are just the first ones someone found. There is a long and detailed, redundantly reported history of the US supplying arms and aid to Iraq.
 

FatTony

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The author of the article certainly injects his point of view and draws conclusion that are biased, but the facts are verifiable.
 
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