Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

[thunda32]

One of my buddies who works at an authorized reseller said that the price of the current rev. will drop until Apple stops shipping them. There's also the option of a refurb. Those are basically like new, just a brown box.

Good to know. Any idea on what the price drop usually bottoms to? I had no problem going with the 1.83 MBP as the power isn't incredibly important to me. I want the bigger screen and feel of the MBP over the MB. How reliable are refurbs and where do I go for those? Warranty still the same? Is the extended apple warranty (applecare right?) worth the money?

Thanks!

[tjdouadi]

I thought I'd just ask about the history and meaning of this Tuesday release that I constantly read about in the forums. Has Apple always released products on Tuesdays? Is there some sort of significance to the day? What up with that? Someone indulge me . . . :o

[ckodonnell]

I mean...I'm here too. But seriously, this thread just repeats itself over and over. I've stopped bothering to post really, cause' it's all been said, but I couldn't help myself here.

Today is Columbus day which is largely UN-observed by most companies. Labor day is widely observed. Columbus day is pretty much just banks, government, schools, etc that shut down. I mean seriously, it's like Saint Patty's day. I observe it, but I doubt it would ever delay the release of something Apple makes.

I called my supplier today (and he was open, despite it being Columbus day) and he acted peculiar. "Call me back tomorrow." Here's to hoping. I leave for Bangalore in four weeks.

Today is a national holiday which normally leads to a one day delay in the new release - like the iMacs came out Wednesday after Labor Day.

[ChickenSwartz]

Columbus day is pretty much just banks, government, schools, etc that shut down. I mean seriously, it's like Saint Patty's day.

A lot of banks and schools don't even close.

A lot of people, myself included, forget these kind of holidays until we can't figure out why we didn't get mail.

[bigwillis]

Anybody else find this interesting? Apple has posted new versions of their Mac vs. PC ads on the apple front page, but just down on the bottom. It seems like previously when they've added these ads, they always occupied the large space in the middle. Maybe they're reserving that space (now occupied by iTunes 7, iPod nano, etc. all a bit old) for something else this week.

[DesignDJ]

Anybody else find this interesting? Apple has posted new versions of their Mac vs. PC ads on the apple front page, but just down on the bottom. It seems like previously when they've added these ads, they always occupied the large space in the middle. Maybe they're reserving that space (now occupied by iTunes 7, iPod nano, etc. all a bit old) for something else this week.

They probably realized that these ads taking up so much space wasn't actually helping them sell anything.

[aquanutz]

I just want a macbook with a decnet video card. These intel graphics have got to go. :mad:

[mdmbkr]

But then there'd be no difference between MB and MBP!

[ct-scan]

I just want a macbook with a decnet video card. These intel graphics have got to go. :mad:

Care for some cheese with that wine? ;)

[maverick808]

But then there'd be no difference between MB and MBP!

The problem is that Apple doesn't have a cheap range of laptops and an expensive range of laptops, they simply have ONE SINGLE range of laptops.

I don't see why they don't have an uber-pro 12 or 13", AND cheap 15 and 17" laptops.

[Neuroguy]

No thanks, but I'll bet any one of us would take a Merom MBP without whine

[xVeinx]

The problem is that Apple doesn't have a cheap range of laptops and an expensive range of laptops, they simply have ONE SINGLE range of laptops.

I don't see why they don't have an uber-pro 12 or 13", AND cheap 15 and 17" laptops.

The problem with this is that (as I'm sure has been mentioned before) most cheaper laptops below the $800 dollar mark tend to be disposable. Having had friends who have purchased these, they ended up being nothing but trouble, ussually resulting in repairs or unstable OS environments. True, quality has been improving, but I find that the sheer number of people at my university that purchase macbooks etc. each year suggests that the price isn't so terribly unaffordable.

As well, what specifically constitutes cheap? What is going to have to drop out of the laptop in order for it to reach that price, and what is the resultant lifespan of that computer? Part of the reason PC's tend to have to be upgraded so often (aside from sheer desire) is that people like to buy on the cheap, meaning components either give out, or they are shortchanged functionality that prevents them from doing things that they find they actually "need" to do for work or school. There is always a balance (buying a G80 for $800 when it comes out is probably not under the "wise" category), but I think that Mac's often reach that balance fairly well, as shown by the fact that the old specs of the 12" ibook still allow for faily good function and usage even today. Dell's from that far back are already at recycling plants by now :p .

[timmillwood]

i think apple should vary their laptops a bit

Macbook nano = £400 - £700 (10" - 13", budget core duo)
Macbook = £700 - £1200 (10" - 13", low end core 2 duo)
Macbook Pro = £1200 - £2000 (13" - 17", high end core 2 duo)

[ChickenSwartz]

They probably realized that these ads taking up so much space wasn't actually helping them sell anything.

They drove me insane. I am using a fairly old computer right now, and when I went to Apple.com it would freeze my computer for a minute or two while quciktime loaded the movie.

[xVeinx]

i think apple should vary their laptops a bit

Macbook nano = £400 - £700 (10" - 13", budget core duo)
Macbook = £700 - £1200 (10" - 13", low end core 2 duo)
Macbook Pro = £1200 - £2000 (13" - 17", high end core 2 duo)

At 10" the macbook would have to be made of copper and come with a complimentary box fan for heat dissipation...

[Neuroguy]

At 10" the macbook would have to be made of copper and come with a complimentary box fan for heat dissipation...


I could do without the box fan, but a nice shiny copper one might be nice. I think I still prefer my dream of carbon-fiber over a magnesium or titanium skeleton..

Neuroguy

[Multimedia]

I just want a macbook with a decnet video card. These intel graphics have got to go. :mad:You'll have to wait until next Spring then cause that's when the next gen Intel Integrated Graphics chipset kicks in. No way will Apple be puttin' in a dedicated graphics card or chip.

[Foggy]

I think I still prefer my dream of carbon-fiber over a magnesium or titanium skeleton..

Neuroguy

Carbon fibre is the mbp of my dreams :) I'll settle for black anodized aluminium though. Well, actually, I'll most likely settle for the plain Aluminium that it'll come in.

[sth]

EVERYBODY
What spec would your Macbook Pro have? (Be realistic)

What I would like to order as soon as possible:

15" model
2.33ghz Core 2 Duo
2gb RAM
160gb 5400rpm HDD (if it's a fast one; otherwise the biggest 7200rpm HDD)
Fastest gfx-card Apple will offer (I hope it's better than the current underclocked x1600 since I depend on a fast gfx card)
Removable HDD would be nice

I'm still hoping for a 1680x1050 screen option (I had that resolution before in a 15" pc-notebook and can't imaging going a step back; 17" is a no-go)


Price: I hope it's not higher than around 2500eur including student discounts and AppleCare

[daneoni]

15" MBP

2.33GHz
2GB
160 5400 RPM or 100GB 7200RPM
Magnetic latch
ATI X1700
Glossy screen
Dual Layer 8x DVD burner or 16x if available
Quiet and Cool

Its not too much to ask is it?

[Konfabulation]

What I would like to order as soon as possible:

15" model
2.33ghz Core 2 Duo
2gb RAM
160gb 5400rpm HDD (if it's a fast one; otherwise the biggest 7200rpm HDD)
Fastest gfx-card Apple will offer (I hope it's better than the current underclocked x1600 since I depend on a fast gfx card)
Removable HDD would be nice



Dude, thats exactly what I was thinking.

[laprej]

or ever again, I was wondering...
What am I doing to do with all this time I normally reserve for browsing these rumor sites? I'm going to have so much more free time on my hands once I actually get this thing it's ridiculous!

[azzurri000]

or ever again, I was wondering...
What am I doing to do with all this time I normally reserve for browsing these rumor sites? I'm going to have so much more free time on my hands once I actually get this thing it's ridiculous!

You'll be reading the "which bag/sleeve should I buy?" threads :D ;)

[Soundburst]

You can browse the other threads in this amazing forum. Problem being about "rumour sites" is that there havn't been any descent bloody rumours in about 20 days other than "Macbook Pro Core-2-duo released between sometimes now and Q2 2007"...at least i've had the forums and reading them to compensate.

[AutumnSkyline]

or ever again, I was wondering...
What am I doing to do with all this time I normally reserve for browsing these rumor sites? I'm going to have so much more free time on my hands once I actually get this thing it's ridiculous!


I too, will have about another oh 3 hours of my day to spend rotting my brain away.......sweet!:D

[timmillwood]

You'll be reading the "which bag/sleeve should I buy?" threads :D ;)

got myself a Crumpler Base Toucher ready!

[AutumnSkyline]

I hope this thread doesn't reach 100 pages....That will just show how pathetic we are :( and how nerdy. :P

[timmillwood]

I hope this thread doesn't reach 100 pages....That will just show how pathetic we are :( and how nerdy. :P

come on!!! 100 pages by tuesday!! nearly there...

[Soundburst]

Interestingly enough i watched the start of that intel conference (up until Peter Schiller finished talking because he is cool) and this Core-2-duo extreme chipi was stated for a November launch, Quad Core. So maybe that's what the holdup is. I really wouldn't mind waiting till november if they are doing that.

[azzurri000]

got myself a Crumpler Base Toucher ready!

Nice:)

I'm hoping that the bitolithic sleeves will be ready soon, so that I can buy one and use it with my existing backpack.

[mightymike107]

it's kind of odd, i feel really good about tomorrow; and with good reason, a lot of signs are pointing to it. But with all of our recent disapointments, I can't help but not be excited...

-mike

[generik]

Interestingly enough i watched the start of that intel conference (up until Peter Schiller finished talking because he is cool) and this Core-2-duo extreme chipi was stated for a November launch, Quad Core. So maybe that's what the holdup is. I really wouldn't mind waiting till november if they are doing that.

Yeah, at the current prices they are charging we should be getting the Extreem eh?

[mautal]

it's kind of odd, i feel really good about tomorrow; and with good reason, a lot of signs are pointing to it. But with all of our recent disapointments, I can't help but not be excited...

-mike

im with you mike, or multimedia with the wednesday prediction...
at least for this week, if it doesnt come out on tuesday, i can always say wednesday...
im kinda getting used to this cycle of being all gung ho on monday/tuesday... and then all disappointed and angry with apple on wednesday - sunday

[thunda32]

Good to know. Any idea on what the price drop usually bottoms to? I had no problem going with the 1.83 MBP as the power isn't incredibly important to me. I want the bigger screen and feel of the MBP over the MB. How reliable are refurbs and where do I go for those? Warranty still the same? Is the extended apple warranty (applecare right?) worth the money?

Thanks!


Anyone? Or am I posting in the wrong forum here... :confused:

[generik]

What I would like to order as soon as possible:

15" model
2.33ghz Core 2 Duo
2gb RAM
160gb 5400rpm HDD (if it's a fast one; otherwise the biggest 7200rpm HDD)
Fastest gfx-card Apple will offer (I hope it's better than the current underclocked x1600 since I depend on a fast gfx card)
Removable HDD would be nice

I'm still hoping for a 1680x1050 screen option (I had that resolution before in a 15" pc-notebook and can't imaging going a step back; 17" is a no-go)


Price: I hope it's not higher than around 2500eur including student discounts and AppleCare

It will never happen.

My guess is more like 1gb ram standard, and 120gb hard drive.

[lessthandmb]

I'm just going to buy a refurb from apple wed. if its not released. It just makes more sense to me. This is my logic....if it is updated sometime late oct. with just a core 2 duo upgrade and nothing else, I'll feel great about the purchase of the refurb. mbp because its such a small change. The Macbook pro will hold me over until the major revision. The other posibility is if they come out with a totally new design in 2 weeks. I'll stick with the refurb until the bugs are worked out, then I'll and use that money towards the new MBP. I would just rather a totally new machine tommorow, but I'm getting more and more comfortable with what I outlined above. I do not think there will be an update tommorow, but I do think its coming this month.

-Jeremy

[shadowx]

Interestingly enough i watched the start of that intel conference (up until Peter Schiller finished talking because he is cool) and this Core-2-duo extreme chipi was stated for a November launch, Quad Core. So maybe that's what the holdup is. I really wouldn't mind waiting till november if they are doing that.

That's a desktop chip...

[Soundburst]

God 1GB of Ram and a 120GB would really make sales amazing....with that spec i would actually be OVER HAPPY :D .... maybe i'm just a push over for spending my money on Apple products though.

But really , those things as standards would save me alot of money with the Built to Order stuff. . .because one GB is really a nessecity with the intel...but with the G4 512mb was nessecary so i think we are actually owed it. :D

[Multimedia]

Interestingly enough i watched the start of that intel conference (up until Peter Schiller finished talking because he is cool) and this Core-2-duo extreme chipi was stated for a November launch, Quad Core. So maybe that's what the holdup is. I really wouldn't mind waiting till november if they are doing that.You need to watch more (http://www.intel.com/idf/us/fall2006/webcast.htm). Check out Pat P. Gelsinger's Keynote from Wednesday September 27 (http://mfile.akamai.com/28603/wmv/intelstudio.download.akamai.com/10670//idf/event3/092706_pg/pg_high.wmv).

Got your FREE Flip4Mac installed so they play in QuickTime Player (http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm)?

Quad core is not in the mobile front and won't be for another two years or more - my guess. It's Dual Clovertown for the Mac Pro workstation (http://www.apple.com/macpro/) and Xserve (http://www.apple.com/xserve/) total 8-cores and Kentsfield for the - Apple-has-not-yet-adopted - client - total 4-cores in one package that may not be paired to make 8. Intel ships both next month - November 2006. Apple could offer them as soon as next month by simply adding the option to their Mac Pro and Xserve configure pages. They are socket compatible with the existing Mac Pro and Xserve products - no hardware nor software modifications needed for them to work immediately. OS X lets you use all 8-cores immediately.

Quad has nothing to do with mobiles. I will be earliest adopter of the Dual Quad Core Clovertown Mac Pro as soon as Apple releases that option for the Mac Pro. This will be one of the few times I have bought a Mac the day it shipped, but I am already out of power with the G5 Quad and understand a real need for those 8-cores at once due to a Multi-Threaded Workload.

[EMAGDNIM]

I'm pulling the trigger on a MacBook tomorrow (I'm picking one up on my way home tommorrow from School). I've trying to hold out for a while but I've decided to get my wet. The way things are, we'll be waiting for another 38 more tuesdays...

[mautal]

with the updates will we be seeing 802.11n or is it still too soon??
im planning on macbooking it... and i assume other than the c2d chip there won't be too much change on the MB... but its the 801.11n that i would really want outside merom (and 1gb standard ram, and larger standard HD, and a price drop would be nice :rolleyes: )

[EMAGDNIM]

There has not been any sales on them in my area...the basic MB has gone discontinued at my local big box store...

[daneoni]

Just installed Vista RC2 on my MBP. Smooth for the most part but like classic windows its all about hunting for drivers. Sigh....i sure as hell miss brightness control and two finger scrolling.

[Mr.Gadget]

Because I just bought a 2.0GHz White Macbook today.
My wife has been wanting a newer smaller computer and she went nuts over the Macbook. I had intended to use the Macbook until the new ones came out and then give it to her and get myself the new one, but she trumped me and wants the Macbook now, not later! Oh well... At least she likes it. I wasn't sure. She LOVES the simplisity of the layout and operation. Pretty cool.
Anyway, that is why are coming out tomorrow... It's because I bought one today!

[Konfabulation]

Only 12 hours. It's like Christmas eve...I hope.

[Multimedia]

God 1GB of Ram and a 120GB would really make sales amazing....with that spec i would actually be OVER HAPPY :D .... maybe i'm just a push over for spending my money on Apple products though.

But really , those things as standards would save me alot of money with the Built to Order stuff. . .because one GB is really a nessecity with the intel...but with the G4 512mb was nessecary so i think we are actually owed it. :DYou must not be paying attention to Apple's offerings this year. 1GB ram and 120GB HD have been standard all year long.

You did of course mean on the 17" MBP right?

[jericho878]

Since last weekend, the Apple Store has closed on several occasions, both during the day and the night, for long and short periods of time. This was the case with both the US and the European stores.
But this isn't the first time that we can recall so many closures happening in such a short time.
Apple is probably making many updates, which are still invisible. We hope that they will bring new services to us
A bit more idle speculation from HardMac (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2006-10-09/#6009). It could all just be routine maintenance or some behind the scenes stage prep.

[mlw47]

place your bets gentlemen.

[Multimedia]

A bit more idle speculation from HardMac (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2006-10-09/#6009). It could all just be routine maintenance or some behind the scenes stage prep.Thanks for that link. It led to another link to the brand new DivX for Mac 6.6 Beta 1 (http://labs.divx.com/node/251). Multi-Threaded 1080 HD Support. Whoopie! Just in time for the 8-core Mac Pro!

[lessthandmb]

I want to sleep tonight!!! I would feel 100% confident no updates, but all those store updates this weekend is making me speculate. It couldn't just be for new ads....but maybe thats really all it was. I JUST DONT KNOW!

[generik]

I want to sleep tonight!!! I would feel 100% confident no updates, but all those store updates this weekend is making me speculate. It couldn't just be for new ads....but maybe thats really all it was. I JUST DONT KNOW!

There's going to be nothing, just sleep

[azzurri000]

place your bets gentlemen.


How about the ladies?! I am appalled. :eek:

[lessthandmb]

:) I'm joking...I'm not sure if you saw my post before but im buying a notebook tommorow regardless. Anyway, goodluck to everyone...I'll be sleeping like a baby.

[billyboy]

She LOVES the simplisity of the layout and operation. Pretty cool.


Sadly my wife hates the simplicity of the Powerbook I have, the single button does her head in, so if there were a Macbook with a typical PC trackpad, she would go Mac tomorrow. Not going to happen, though, is it!

[Neuroguy]

Hmm.. Wouldn't it be nice if the new MMBP had a two button trackpad? Just like before, with a little slit down the middle.. Just enough to tell everyone its a merom and not the "other" processor.

Neuroguy

[Konfabulation]

Hmm.. Wouldn't it be nice if the new MMBP had a two button trackpad? Just like before, with a little slit down the middle.. Just enough to tell everyone its a merom and not the "other" processor.

Neuroguy

Buddy if it had two buttons, then it wouldn't be a mac.

And besides, leopard's gonna have right click feature: just place to fingers on the trackpad, and click normally.

[Squonk]

(snip) Sigh....i sure as hell miss brightness control and two finger scrolling.

Yeah - Apple does some cool stuff with their hardware & OS alright! There is a guy at work who would love to be able to put OS X on the PC of his own construction and thinks Apple is stupid for not licensing it. He thinks that I'm a just an Apple lacky. I try to tell him that Steve is all about the whole user experience - it simply works and works simply. And the things you mention go hand in hand with that.

That being said, seeing as how I'm a PC developer, I look forward to my first Intel Mac to be able to run Access and .NET/C# for the ocasional home programming projects (when I'm not learning XCode, of course!)

[Squonk]

Buddy if it had two buttons, then it wouldn't be a mac.

And besides, leopard's gonna have right click feature: just place to fingers on the trackpad, and click normally.

I could not agree more!

Ooh, I had not read that about the new right-clicking in Leopard - SLICK! ;) Something tells me there must be a utility like this out there for Tiger. Anyone? :confused:

[AppliedVisual]

Apple is as secretive as they are so that they are not pressured to release new products before those products are absolutely perfect. Those other companies don't take that much pride in their products.

...Then how do you explain all those Macbook overheat and shutdown problems? :D

[ThunderLounge]

...Then how do you explain all those Macbook overheat and shutdown problems? :D

Um... oops?

Either that or (obviously) the problems didn't happen in the ones tested.

Defecation occurs, but less with a Mac. :)

[Neuroguy]

Buddy if it had two buttons, then it wouldn't be a mac.

Yeah, but a year ago someone might say "if it boots to windows, it wouldn't be a mac," but I saw one just the other day :)

Let's face it, Apple innovates but also adopts...

[laprej]

Sadly my wife hates the simplicity of the Powerbook I have, the single button does her head in, so if there were a Macbook with a typical PC trackpad, she would go Mac tomorrow. Not going to happen, though, is it!
Less is more ;)

[manosaurus]

Any memram in here?

[thunda32]

Hey all,

This may not mean anything but I've recently seen a whole slew of new macbook pros flood the ebay market. Could this mean some are clearing stock for the new line? Not sure, just thought I'de share even though my questions on here go largely unanswered and ignored haha... cheers. :rolleyes:

[ct-scan]

I'm pulling the trigger on a MacBook tomorrow (I'm picking one up on my way home tommorrow from School). I've trying to hold out for a while but I've decided to get my wet. The way things are, we'll be waiting for another 38 more tuesdays...

And then it comes out this Wednesday ;)

[manosaurus]

Hey all,

This may not mean anything but I've recently seen a whole slew of new macbook pros flood the ebay market. Could this mean some are clearing stock for the new line? Not sure, just thought I'de share even though my questions on here go largely unanswered and ignored haha... cheers. :rolleyes:

Nah... no indication of menron MBP's... sounds more like an indication of an imminent natural disaster... most likely an earthquake... somewhere in the southern hemisphere, maybe the northern... judging by the fact that you noticed this on ebay I would say that it also points to a magnitude of 6.2-8.2 on the richter scale... could be a bad week for some... we thought the good tymes would last forever... you had to point this out... you had to go ruin it for us... thanks a lot!

[ct-scan]

with the updates will we be seeing 802.11n or is it still too soon??
im planning on macbooking it... and i assume other than the c2d chip there won't be too much change on the MB... but its the 801.11n that i would really want outside merom (and 1gb standard ram, and larger standard HD, and a price drop would be nice :rolleyes: )

I'm going to get flamed about my opinion, but I really hope they don't invest too much into 802.11n...yet.
It's still in pre-draft in the IEEE, things can change...even drastically. The point is, we don't know what the final draft will be. You could have a completely useless chip.

Hopefully, if they do decide to do this, they make it downgrade very nicely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#802.11n

[Neuroguy]

I have witnessed a sign!

I was reading this thread, looked up, and my TV had an Intel Core 2 Duo commercial on!!!

Truly it is imminent!!!

"Leave my elevator alone...Leave my elevator alone..."


Neuroguy

[ct-scan]

Sadly my wife hates the simplicity of the Powerbook I have, the single button does her head in, so if there were a Macbook with a typical PC trackpad, she would go Mac tomorrow. Not going to happen, though, is it!

I REALLY hope not!

[nevermind]

If i recall correctly they released new ads just before the imac got the core 2 upgrade so i think it is almost a sure thing that we will be seeing some new products tomorrow. Heres to hoping for a mmbp or mmb

[macman2790]

If i recall correctly they released new ads just before the imac got the core 2 upgrade so i think it is almost a sure thing that we will be seeing some new products tomorrow. Heres to hoping for a mmbp or mmb
i don't think they'll go with both if their releasing something tomorrow. I also don't think that they'll release the macbook first. It would make no sense whatsoever.

[EvryDayImShufln]

Hey guys I really would not be surprised if the upgrades were any day now

My local futureshop is heavily discounting the macbooks and macbook pros recently.

Ok so maybe you think this doesn't say much, but when does apple allow resellers to discount their products? Anyhow I hope it turns out to be true, I can't say I'd be surprised if they updated any day now. They're already weeks behind :D

[manosaurus]

If i recall correctly they released new ads just before the imac got the core 2 upgrade so i think it is almost a sure thing that we will be seeing some new products tomorrow. Heres to hoping for a mmbp or mmb

What?!?!?!?!?! Releasing an ad campaign and new products at the same time? Sure dude, like that makes any sense.

[ChickenSwartz]

i don't think they'll go with both if their releasing something tomorrow. I also don't think that they'll release the macbook first. It would make no sense whatsoever.

Makes most sense to relase MBPs nowish and MB before the holiday shopping season.

I think if they miss the C2D boat for either the MBP or MB for this holiday season, Apple will regret it when they look at the bottom line come January.

[macman2790]

Makes most sense to relase MBPs nowish and MB before the holiday shopping season.

I think if they miss the C2D boat for either the MBP or MB for this holiday season, Apple will regret it when they look at the bottom line come January.
exactly. If apple doesn't make a move by tomorrow or wednesday i wouldn't count on merom mbp's and mb's until santa rosa which will be a dramatic upgrade because of the Robson. Then steve will be able to say they "4-5 times faster than core duo." Maybe not 4-5 times faster but i'd say maybe 2x faster.

[ChickenSwartz]

exactly. If apple doesn't make a move by tomorrow or wednesday...

I'd give them a little more room than that. In the States, the holiday shopping season "officially" starts on the day after Thanksgiving. But, to retailers it starts around Halloween. This gives them time to get the product to the stores on the TV by Black Friday. So the clock is ticking. There are 3 Tuesdays before and one on Halloween.

[bonecandy]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
http://momo.manabanana.org/Archive/MBP1.jpg


heh.. I suck at photoshop :/

[AppliedVisual]

I can't take it... There's a glitch in the matrix.... This whole page is an exact repeat from last monday evening. The term "déjà vu" doesn't do it justice.


....And my brain goes -= *!POP!* =-

[AppliedVisual]

heh.. I suck at photoshop :/

If it weren't for the fact it's almost 9:00PM Cuppertino time, I might have not immediately discarded it as fake. :p I like how you bumped the superdrive to 8x DL for all three models - we can always dream, right? :cool:

[erockerboy]

I'm dyin' over here!

HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[azzurri000]

I'm dyin' over here!

HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

hahaha more like:

STEVE take our money, already!

[OdduWon]

was thinking about why .mac was acting crazy all day and rembered xserve is due to ship in october. they could be updating or have switched to the new intel build and we're seeing the first bugs. with this event maybe we wil see the fabled pro core 2 with the launch of xserve? updates on tuesday ;)
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jonathaniliff/octobertreats.jpg

[Surf and Turf]

If the new MBP's were to be released Tuesday, what time could they be expected to be up for sale ? ? ? ? ? ?:confused:

[Mr.Gadget]

Well, there must be some huge techinical issues with getting Merom to market with Apple. Every week I wonder what it could be... either Apple doesn't feel its worth it or there are some issues they are having with supplieers or engineering...
Think Different Steve Jobs... Quit the secrecy, that was so "old" Apple... :D Tell us where we, the consumers, stand.... (not where to go)... hehe

[barkins]

I think at this point it's just a matter of time before they sell the remaining laptops to start selling the merom macbooks.

[Multimedia]

I have witnessed a sign!

I was reading this thread, looked up, and my TV had an Intel Core 2 Duo commercial on!!!

Truly it is imminent!!!

"Leave my elevator alone...Leave my elevator alone..."Intel started running those ads two weeks ago. There are 3 different ones plus abriviated 15 sec versions of each as well.

Here's a few cells for old times sake from my favorite one I created September 28 just for you :D:

[thunda32]

What do you guys think would be a good deal for the current macbook pro (base model) when the new ones come out? $1,400 to $1,500? Or is that unrealistic? :o

[OdduWon]

Well, there must be some huge techinical issues with getting Merom to market with Apple.
yeah, they made their laptops thinner because the new chippes were supposed to be "cooler", but merom is hotter under the paste than duo 1, so a full over hal to prevent this heat suprise from happening again is the reason for delay to market.

[absurdio]

Yep. All the serious stress benchmarks I've seen show Merom to run hotter and these are production chips/systems, not pre-release samples. At idle and light load, Merom is a bit cooler. But under full load for sustained periods, it can be a good 15% hotter as reported by Anandtech and GamePC. Anandtech had 3DS MAX preview and render benchmarks which give a good indication of what I can expect for my work.

...not that it all matters right now anyway. I'm sure we'll be disappointed and left wanting again this week.


This... makes me nervous.

[absurdio]

I've been considering myself pretty safely in the "don't-much-care-about-user-replaceable-hard-drives" camp, but, just for ***** and giggles, i decided to take a peek at ifixit's harddrive replacement guide (http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro/Hard-Drive) for the macbook pro.

Now I'm a believer.
Even if i don't EVER replace my portable's harddrive (though if Apple doesn't offer 160gb hds soon, i might have to), I want to know that i CAN do it. So, I'd like to officially submit my application to the "oh-lord-give-me-a-replaceable-hd" camp. From ifixit's guide, it looks to me like the replacement process couldn't be more nervewracking if it took place in a minefield.

[macman2790]

This... makes me nervous.
yeah that's what i'm afraid of too. Hopefully it wont be too hot

[Multimedia]

I've been considering myself pretty safely in the "don't-much-care-about-user-replaceable-hard-drives" camp, but, just for ***** and giggles, i decided to take a peek at ifixit's harddrive replacement guide (http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro/Hard-Drive) for the macbook pro.

Now I'm a believer.
Even if i don't EVER replace my portable's harddrive (though if Apple doesn't offer 160gb hds soon, i might have to), I want to know that i CAN do it. So, I'd like to officially submit my application to the "oh-lord-give-me-a-replaceable-hd" camp. From ifixit's guide, it looks to me like the replacement process couldn't be more nervewracking if it took place in a minefield.Yeah it's rediculous. I'm wit you on not wanting to do it myself and I consider myself very much of a get inside and muck around type guy. But in the case of MBP it's just way too complicated with very fragile cables, connectors and scores of super tiny phillips head screws. Incredibly complicated.

[OdduWon]

i don't know much about pro use. but if you could carry and easily install extra or backup hard drives it could be useful, or very dangerous.

[Surf and Turf]

i asked this earlier , but did not get a response. If the new mbp were to be released tues . what time could they be expected to be online for sale at the store?

[macman2790]

i asked this earlier , but did not get a response. If the new mbp were to be released tues . what time could they be expected to be online for sale at the store?
9:00 am cupertino time which is Pacific. This is around when the imacs came out i think.

[OdduWon]

it will be released at xserve launch......... or not depends how hot under the paste merom is.

[Surf and Turf]

9:00 am cupertino time which is Pacific. This is around when the imacs came out i think.
Thanks Jiggaman:p

[mautal]

it will be released at xserve launch......... or not depends how hot under the paste merom is.

is there a scheduled lunch (launch) for the xserve tomorrow?:confused:

edit: was this even a response to the "what time shall we expect updates if we see updates tomorrow" question??

[macman2790]

is there a scheduled lunch (launch) for the xserve tomorrow?:confused:

edit: was this even a response to the "what time shall we expect updates if we see updates tomorrow" question??
No i'm pretty sure he was just speculating. Unless he's steve jobs

[OdduWon]

duuun dun da da dun daaaaaaaa.

[Next Tuesday]

No i'm pretty sure he was just speculating. Unless he's steve jobs
What if one of the macrumors regs IS steve jobs? hahahah

[OdduWon]

What if one of the macrumors regs IS steve jobs? hahahah
Im not Steve Jobs,

im Ron Burgandy?~

[macman2790]

remember that appleinsider rumor that came from digitimes about massive merom mbp and merom mb shipment at begining of september. Heres one about the Powerbook g5 from the digitimes. Just thought i'd share it with you guys. http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2005/01/apple_to_launch.html

[thunda32]

What do you guys think would be a good deal for the current macbook pro (base model) when the new ones come out? $1,400 to $1,500? Or is that unrealistic? :o

Seriously, anyone have an idea? Nobody replied. This will be my first mac so I would greatly appreciate the input! Thanks!

[macman2790]

Seriously, anyone have an idea? Nobody replied. This will be my first mac so I would greatly appreciate the input! Thanks!
it would be a good deal. But not a chance. They will stay the same price.

[Next Tuesday]

Seriously, anyone have an idea? Nobody replied. This will be my first mac so I would greatly appreciate the input! Thanks!
I highly doubt that you will get a new/refurb mbp for 1500. Macs have high resale value.

[thunda32]

I highly doubt that you will get a new/refurb mbp for 1500. Macs have high resale value.

Thanks for the reply, I'll start taking the ebay deals more seriously (1600-1700 range for new in the box). It's too bad I missed out on the rebate deal with the 1.83 gigahertz macbook pro which I read brought the price down to 1500 on amazon.com. Any chance of something like that happening again or is it rare?

[Next Tuesday]

Thanks for the reply, I'll start taking the ebay deals more seriously (1600-1700 range for new in the box). It's too bad I missed out on the rebate deal with the 1.83 gigahertz macbook pro which I read brought the price down below 1500 or so. Any chance of something like that happening again or is it rare?
I personally wouldnt buy a mac from ebay. No warranty and u dont really know whats wrong with it. ALso you would have to get the applecare transfered to u if they even have it. Big hassel. Just get a refurb mb/mbp from apple store or macmall.

[peeInMyPantz]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
http://momo.manabanana.org/Archive/MBP1.jpg


heh.. I suck at photoshop :/
you should make the '2' in 2.16 and core 2 duo on the same level to make it more believable. right now.. then 2 in core 2 duo is lower. haha

[OdduWon]

honestly, it's october. shuffle ships oct, xserve/xraid ships oct, .mac acting up more that usual today( indicates use of new intel os xserver/ xraid ) it's merom now or never. + tommorrow is tuesday :D heres to a great morning tommorrow. you herd it first from odduwon pc`~

[mautal]

honestly, it's october. shuffle ships oct, xserve/xraid ships oct, .mac acting up more that usual today( indicates use of new intel os xserver/ xraid ) it's merom now or never. + tommorrow is tuesday :D heres to a great morning tommorrow. you herd it first from odduwon pc`~

from odduwon... AKA STEVE JOBS?;)

[OdduWon]

the steve givith

[Next Tuesday]

from odduwon... AKA STEVE JOBS?;)
Thats not steve jobs, thats Ron burgandy!

[SpanklyMcDoodle]

Come on, big MBP, big MBP, no wammys!:o

[timmillwood]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
http://momo.manabanana.org/Archive/MBP1.jpg


heh.. I suck at photoshop :/

I am hoping for that spec on the 17", maybe with a 1920x120 res and $100+ off the price

[rajnigam]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
http://momo.manabanana.org/Archive/MBP1.jpg


heh.. I suck at photoshop :/

My HTML Skillz > bonecandy's Photoshop Skillz

www.apple.com/store/macbookpro (http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rn6t/)

hahahahahahah

[ColeSear]

I am hoping for that spec on the 17", maybe with a 1920x120 res and $100+ off the price

Ah... nope. ;)
I don't want GeForce grafics in MBP.
But with th 17" they can do, what they want. Cause the 15" is what I want.

And btw: 1920x120 would be kinda strange...

[Foggy]

My HTML Skillz > bonecandy's Photoshop Skillz

www.apple.com/store/macbookpro (http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rn6t/)

hahahahahahah

Not sure I'd wanna lug around a 20" notebook, let alone a 24", especially one that only ran 1680x1050!!

[Foggy]

Oh, and I reckon the store will come down today but it will be for the ipod shuffles and the xserve. Cant say I am overly optimistic about the MBP at the moment.

[bazzalisk]

Not sure I'd wanna lug around a 20" notebook, let alone a 24", especially one that only ran 1680x1050!!

Got to agree with that one.

[generik]

My HTML Skillz > bonecandy's Photoshop Skillz

www.apple.com/store/macbookpro (http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rn6t/)

hahahahahahah

Wow.. what a bad idea.

And I thought the removal of the 12" model from the line is bad enough...

[azeteg]

I am hoping for that spec on the 17", maybe with a 1920x120 res and $100+ off the price

Yeah, 1920x120 would be great.

http://ninjafx.com/mbp.jpg
http://ninjafx.com/mbp2.jpg
http://ninjafx.com/mbp3.jpg

[FatGolfer]

Yeah, 1920x120 would be great.

http://ninjafx.com/mbp.jpg
http://ninjafx.com/mbp2.jpg
http://ninjafx.com/mbp3.jpg


Love it, nice one :D

[timmillwood]

Yeah, 1920x120 would be great.


you know i meant 1920x1200! stop being silly

[psychometry]

Just in from the Online Store:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9623/picture1ew7.png

Looks like Apple's really trying to push out some of those low-end MBPs.

[surroundfan]

Just in from the Online Store:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9623/picture1ew7.png

Looks like Apple's really trying to push out some of those low-end MBPs.

You forgot to change the 15.4" and Core Duo up the top... :p

[Soundburst]

Lol ; well i've just awoken in N.I and am hoping this will be the day. Your photoshops are really great in passing the time! :D

[cytefx]

also the processor should be changed. From 2.0Ghz to 66mhz pentium, I would love to do that myself, but dont have the editing tools required. :(

[bazzalisk]

also the processor should be changed. From 2.0Ghz to 66mhz pentium, I would love to do that myself, but dont have the editing tools required. :(

You don't have a text editor?

[psychometry]

You don't have a text editor?

It's an image. Why do you think I didn't change it? I am just that lazy.

[charpi]

is it 9am there or wadava time they are expected to upgrade yet?? sry im just too anxious and its like 1830 here....:p

[timmillwood]

is it 9am there or wadava time they are expected to upgrade yet?? sry im just too anxious and its like 1830 here....:p

got 5 1/2 hrs to wait until its 9am in Cupertino and we don't even know if it will be out today...

...any inside info? anyone?

[cytefx]

:(

just called the uk number for apple to do a little stock check, they said that they could have a mbp to me in 3 days, they have all of the standard machines in stock and a few with different options, the delays in some orders have been through the back to school promotion.

They were keen to take my money and for me to order, if they do release today I dont think I would be happy if i did not get the new one!

:confused:

[Foggy]

:(

just called the uk number for apple to do a little stock check, they said that they could have a mbp to me in 3 days, they have all of the standard machines in stock and a few with different options, the delays in some orders have been through the back to school promotion.

They were keen to take my money and for me to order, if they do release today I dont think I would be happy if i did not get the new one!

:confused:

Dont know why but I am really not hopeful about seeing them released today. Just got that gut feeling.

[bazzalisk]

I doubt they'll release today.

Soooo .... next tuesday? :D

(awaiting the delivery of my white macbook, wondering why the delivery dates given on the package tracking page differ when I change the timezone to display them in ... are they planning on delivering just before midnight or something?)

[mightymike107]

:(

just called the uk number for apple to do a little stock check, they said that they could have a mbp to me in 3 days, they have all of the standard machines in stock and a few with different options, the delays in some orders have been through the back to school promotion.

They were keen to take my money and for me to order, if they do release today I dont think I would be happy if i did not get the new one!

:confused:

I was at my local apple store a week or so ago, and in talking to one of the nicer employees about the MBP merom upgrade, he told me they had plenty of iMac's in stock when they got C2D.


is it going to be today? please... i need one

[cytefx]

I was at my local apple store a week or so ago, and in talking to one of the nicer employees about the MBP merom upgrade, he told me they had plenty of iMac's in stock when they got C2D.


is it going to be today? please... i need one

I would love to get one ordered today, but can not bring myself to order the older model, it has to be a peice of kit that I can keep for about 3 years, so do not feel right buying a model thats jsut about to be replaced, as its nearly 9 months old. :)

[Soundburst]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=16111

Anyone seen this?....new manufacturer, maybe the new macbook pro's.

At least it's gossip of some description.

[generik]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=16111

Anyone seen this?....new manufacturer, maybe the new macbook pro's.

At least it's gossip of some description.

Foxcon makes high quality, good stuff.

[azzurri000]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=16111

Anyone seen this?....new manufacturer, maybe the new macbook pro's.

At least it's gossip of some description.


I'm unable to view it, just like the Apple homepage :(

[daneoni]

Refurbs people!, get your refurbs while they are still hot!. lol. Still no dice today, hang in there its almost here

[DHagan4755]

Why do you guys assume the update would be today? Monday was a holiday in the U.S. and if there were an update, it would probably be Wednesday.

[bazzalisk]

Why do you guys assume the update would be today? Monday was a holiday in the U.S. and if there were an update, it would probably be Wednesday.

Apparantly not many businesses observe Columbus day, or something.

I have a better question - what makes anyone think it'll be this week at all? :D

[macman2790]

Apparantly not many businesses observe Columbus day, or something.

I have a better question - what makes anyone think it'll be this week at all? :D
i don't think it will happen today or this week. I'm tired of this.

[timmillwood]

i have a feeling it wont be today

[ct-scan]

i have a feeling it wont be today

I'm getting kinda tired of this...but I think you're right :(

[ct-scan]

Switching manufacturers could be the only reason for a delay, as opposed to the much wanted redesign ideas.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061010082853.shtml

[acidblood]

Guys, sorry to burst your bubble but I ordered my MacBook Pro 17'' on Sunday and Apple shipped it yesterday.

I don't think they'd do that if they were going to release a new model today or tomorrow.

[djkny]

New MBP's won't ship until late November; MacBooks will be updated at MWSF.

You heard it hear, first. Now let's treat our OCD complexes by pulling the plug on our broadband.

[Reach]

Guys, sorry to burst your bubble but I ordered my MacBook Pro 17'' on Sunday and Apple shipped it yesterday.

I don't think they'd do that if they were going to release a new model today or tomorrow.
Now you can just wait for Multimedia to come and tell you that you did a mistake. Must be nice getting a machine though, good luck with it!

[rajnigam]

Guys, sorry to burst your bubble but I ordered my MacBook Pro 17'' on Sunday and Apple shipped it yesterday.

I don't think they'd do that if they were going to release a new model today or tomorrow.

Says the guy who just got SCREWED

[timmillwood]

Guys, sorry to burst your bubble but I ordered my MacBook Pro 17'' on Sunday and Apple shipped it yesterday.

I don't think they'd do that if they were going to release a new model today or tomorrow.

if i were apple and i was just about to launch a new model i would send who ever ordered the old model the old model and or ever orders the new model gets the new mondel until i ran out of the old one

the C2D MBP WILL be here before the end of oct, we just dont know when..

[Reach]

the C2D MBP WILL be here before the end of oct, we just dont know when..
We just don't know ANYTHING would be the honest thing to say mister.

[djkny]

if i were apple and i was just about to launch a new model i would send who ever ordered the old model the old model and or ever orders the new model gets the new mondel until i ran out of the old one

the C2D MBP WILL be here before the end of oct, we just dont know when..

Nice to find some optimism in our bloody cynical culture. Optimism or delusion? are they homonyms?

[maverick808]

It would have happened already if it were going to be today... right?

[bazzalisk]

Nice to find some optimism in our bloody cynical culture. Optimism or delusion? are they homonyms?

No. They might be synonyms.

[rajnigam]

Well, I will tell you this Apple... I don't have a multibillion dollar organization...

Richie Cunningham: He does

But if I ever do, I’m either going to tell my customers that I'm going to upgrade a product, or I’m going to promise to upgrade a product and then not upgrade a product. But the one thing that I will NEVER do is not tell them that I’m going to upgrade a product, and then not upgrade a product!

[ThunderLounge]

It would have happened already if it were going to be today... right?

Something like that.

[33scottie33]

I bet Steve is monitoring this forum with his C2D prototype. :rolleyes:

[bazzalisk]

I bet Steve is monitoring this forum with his C2D prototype. :rolleyes:

No, he's using a G5 Powerbook!

[cytefx]

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/8352/768/store.apple.com/Catalog/uk/Images/sd_banner_refurb_mbp_half_20061008.jpg

that states MBP for £929 inc vat, but when I look at the page, I can only see ones for £1,118 and £1,156 I thought in the UK that if you show a price you should have something for that amount.

The only reason is i am now thinking about a refurb and then sell it later (or give it to the GF)

and in them prices there is £200 difference.

Also looks like the store is staying up today :mad:

[timmillwood]

It would have happened already if it were going to be today... right?

another 1 1/2 hrs until its 9am in Cupertino, there is still chance but i doubt it for today

[iMinnesotan]

These companies are all conspiring against me. I've been waiting since August to buy my first Mac, which will be a 17" MBP. I'm also waiting for T-mobile to start selling the new Motorola KAZR phones which are already being sold by other providers. At least my PC keeps me working but my cell phone battery is near death. Come on you guys! :mad:

[Squonk]

another 1 1/2 hrs until its 9am in Cupertino, there is still chance but i doubt it for today

If my memory is correct, when Apple does the silent roll outs via a press release, don't they go out ~7:00am Pacific Time? Well, they did a while back anyway...

Here's hoping for something, sometime, somehow... :)

[33scottie33]

Waiting for C2D is like waiting for fresh food on a buffet line. The cook (Apple) is watching from the kitchen to see when how many of the old chicken wings (MBPs) are left before the fresh wings (C2D MBPs) are put out. :D

I going to see a counselor today about the emotional stress this wait has put upon me!

[Multimedia]

Why do you guys assume the update would be today? Monday was a holiday in the U.S. and if there were an update, it would probably be Wednesday.That's what I tried to tell everyone but half the folks just ignored me. Plus I am not predicting it will be tomorrow either. I'm done trying to second guess Apple. :)

One Day Closer To An 8-Core Mac Pro. :DRefurbs people!, get your refurbs while they are still hot!. lol. Still no dice today, hang in there its almost hereOr wait for Apple's solution to making Merom's cooler. :cool:

[Squonk]

Refurbs people!, get your refurbs while they are still hot!.

WAIT!!! Apple is selling stolen goods?!?!? :confused:

[Prints]

Waiting for C2D is like waiting for fresh food on a buffet line. The cook (Apple) is watching from the kitchen to see when how many of the old chicken wings (MBPs) are left before the fresh wings (C2D MBPs) are put out. :D

I going to see a counselor today about the emotional stress this wait has put upon me!

I'm getting a massage this afternoon just so I can deal with the
w a i t i n g. . . .

[thunda32]

I personally wouldnt buy a mac from ebay. No warranty and u dont really know whats wrong with it. ALso you would have to get the applecare transfered to u if they even have it. Big hassel. Just get a refurb mb/mbp from apple store or macmall.

Even if its new in the box? Most listings state that the warranty is still valid. What's the best deal I could get on a MBP refurb? Thanks!

[33scottie33]

Even if its new in the box? Most listings state that the warranty is still valid. What's the best deal I could get on a MBP refurb? Thanks!


Above all, make sure the seller rating is very high when you are buying a high-dollar item. Also, check their history out. Some sellers have high ratings but they have not sold much, just bought a lot of small items. See how many high-dollar items they sold. If they have not sold anything in the last "I think" six months (item number greyed out), I would be very cautious.

[Zic]

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/8352/768/store.apple.com/Catalog/uk/Images/sd_banner_refurb_mbp_half_20061008.jpg

that states MBP for £929 inc vat, but when I look at the page, I can only see ones for £1,118 and £1,156 I thought in the UK that if you show a price you should have something for that amount.

I guessed you missed this one (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/61024042/wo/YS4nMnDDeUP32MBVOYb1pr3fqD3/6.0.0.21.1.0.8.7.3.5.1.1.6.1.5.1.3.5.0) then. It was the second from last in the list of MBP refurbs.

edit: ok so it's a 1.83GHz and not 2GHz...

[sjphoto]

I really don't see anything coming out soon. In terms of a product refresh, ie
new cosmetic changes to accompany the C2D, MW07 is in a few months and
that would be the best platform to announce it. Apple is still selling MB's
and MBP's like hotcakes. The few everyone hears from on this forum are
less then .1% of Apple user's, the other 99.9% are busy working. The
.1 percenters you keep hearing from on this forum have waaaay too much
time on there hands.

[gonnabuyamac]

I don't know how much longer I can wait! I realize that not announcing product changes ahead of time helps sell old models and adds to the mystery that is Apple, but as a person who is prepared to switch TODAY, and being very aware of all the PC's that have the latest components, I have to say that the secrecy of Apple and all of the unknowns may actually be hazardous to my health. :p

[tteerts]

I don't know how much longer I can wait! I realize that not announcing product changes ahead of time helps sell old models and adds to the mystery that is Apple, but as a person who is prepared to switch TODAY, and being very aware all of the PC's that have the latest components, I have to say that the secrecy of Apple and all of the unknowns may actually be hazardous to my health. :p

Another thing that not announcing products does is that if there is a snag in the development of the product (ie if there really are new heat issues with the Meroms or some such engineering hurdle) then the fact that they haven't announced that product doesn't cause them to lose face. Unless the information gets leaked, the people (us) have no idea why the product doesn't yet exist. I'm not saying that anything is wrong - I'm just saying that is another reason why announcing isn't always a good thing from the supplier's point of view.

[gonnabuyamac]

i have noticed that apple is really the only computer company that has this kind of following. i've had numerous laptops before - sony, dell, etc... not many forums filled with people like us who are hoping and looking for the slightest clues as to when the next version will be released. in some ways it makes switching to a mac fun, all while giving me an ulcer.

[thunda32]

Above all, make sure the seller rating is very high when you are buying a high-dollar item. Also, check their history out. Some sellers have high ratings but they have not sold much, just bought a lot of small items. See how many high-dollar items they sold. If they have not sold anything in the last "I think" six months (item number greyed out), I would be very cautious.

Thanks for the tips! How about refurbs guys? When is the best time to buy and how low do they typically drop the price? Thanks!

[ccroo]

Who's betting on next Tuesday?

I feel pretty good about next Tuesday. I think Apple couldn't possbily wait until Thanksgiving to add CD2's it's pro laptops when the iMacs already have them. They would look like laggards.

[namasteboi]

Who's betting on next Tuesday?

I feel pretty good about next Tuesday. I think Apple couldn't possbily wait until Thanksgiving to add CD2's it's pro laptops when the iMacs already have them. They would look like laggards.

Ugh. This isn't fun anymore. It's irritating.

I'm ordering my new macbook pro now. If there's a redesign next week, so be it. At least I'll have my new MBP.

[AppliedVisual]

Thanks for the tips! How about refurbs guys? When is the best time to buy and how low do they typically drop the price? Thanks!

Other things to watch for on ebay...

If the seller requests you mail them about a "buy it now" price before you bid, it's probably a scam. If the seller has a 1000+ rating from buying and selling beanie babies and is suddenly selling a brand new MBP, the account has probably been hijacked and it's a scam. On any high-ticket item, always communicate with the seller before bidding and verify that you will get warranty, etc.. For Apple products, request the serial number. That way you can check warranty elligibility and whether or not the seller is legit. If they refuse to provide the serial number, they are either running a scam or they're just plain stupid. Either way, don't buy from them. I can tell you that right now most of the Macbook[Pro] systems on ebay are either a scam or if they're legit, you're only saving $30 over a refurb unit (in many cases paying more than a refurb from Apple) and you have the headache of dealing with ebay. IMO, it's not worth it to buy something like a Macbook off ebay. And I've bought and sold a lot of stuff on ebay... I don't mind selling my used computers/notebooks there (I'm listing one later today in fact), but I personally would never buy one there. When I pay $1K or more for a notebook, I expect it to run properly so I can be productive. When you're buying something like that on ebay, you have to remember that someone else is selling it for a reason. 90% of the time the new in box macbook[pro] systems are: A) Stolen. B) Don't exist - it's a scam. or C) Some kid is selling because they don't want it and don't want to hurt mom and dad's feelings by telling them he doesn't want his graduation present. Sadly, most fall into A and B categories. Because if it truly is new in the box, why not just return it to Apple for a full refund? Legit, authorized dealers don't sell these systems on ebay.

OK, enough of that... My MBP that I bought nearly 3 weeks ago was a refurb unit. It arrived in perfect condition and I've been very happy with it. Overall it was a great deal. I put in 2GB and went through the hell of swapping the hard drive and it's great. Prices on refurbished units will drop as will prices on new core duo overstock systems once the C2D models are released. However, it's difficult to say when this will happen (we don't even know when we'll see the C2D models). And it will take a little time for refurbished C2D models to show up after that. Refurb C2D models will probably be about 15% off of new MSRP like the current refurb models are. The current models will be discounted just enough to entice you away from a C2D one, but not enough to make it a better deal.

[AppliedVisual]

It's 9:07AM Cupertino time... Doesn't look like anything new today... :rolleyes:

Well, there's always tomorrow... Or NEXT TUESDAY. :D

[ct-scan]

It's 9:07AM Cupertino time... Doesn't look like anything new today... :rolleyes:

Well, there's always tomorrow... Or NEXT TUESDAY. :D

Or Thursday...Friday...Saturday...Sunday?!? :D ;) :D

[rajnigam]

Or Thursday...Friday...Saturday...Sunday?!? :D ;) :D

Or November, December, January.... February.... 2009?

[thunda32]

Other things to watch for on ebay...

If the seller requests you mail them about a "buy it now" price before you bid, it's probably a scam. If the seller has a 1000+ rating from buying and selling beanie babies and is suddenly selling a brand new MBP, the account has probably been hijacked and it's a scam. On any high-ticket item, always communicate with the seller before bidding and verify that you will get warranty, etc.. For Apple products, request the serial number. That way you can check warranty elligibility and whether or not the seller is legit. If they refuse to provide the serial number, they are either running a scam or they're just plain stupid. Either way, don't buy from them. I can tell you that right now most of the Macbook[Pro] systems on ebay are either a scam or if they're legit, you're only saving $30 over a refurb unit (in many cases paying more than a refurb from Apple) and you have the headache of dealing with ebay. IMO, it's not worth it to buy something like a Macbook off ebay. And I've bought and sold a lot of stuff on ebay... I don't mind selling my used computers/notebooks there (I'm listing one later today in fact), but I personally would never buy one there. When I pay $1K or more for a notebook, I expect it to run properly so I can be productive. When you're buying something like that on ebay, you have to remember that someone else is selling it for a reason. 90% of the time the new in box macbook[pro] systems are: A) Stolen. B) Don't exist - it's a scam. or C) Some kid is selling because they don't want it and don't want to hurt mom and dad's feelings by telling them he doesn't want his graduation present. Sadly, most fall into A and B categories. Because if it truly is new in the box, why not just return it to Apple for a full refund? Legit, authorized dealers don't sell these systems on ebay.

OK, enough of that... My MBP that I bought nearly 3 weeks ago was a refurb unit. It arrived in perfect condition and I've been very happy with it. Overall it was a great deal. I put in 2GB and went through the hell of swapping the hard drive and it's great. Prices on refurbished units will drop as will prices on new core duo overstock systems once the C2D models are released. However, it's difficult to say when this will happen (we don't even know when we'll see the C2D models). And it will take a little time for refurbished C2D models to show up after that. Refurb C2D models will probably be about 15% off of new MSRP like the current refurb models are. The current models will be discounted just enough to entice you away from a C2D one, but not enough to make it a better deal.

Thank you for the info, that does really help. I know the scams you are talking about and I've been avoiding those. Some claim it was a present and most are willing to provide a serial number. Earlier I posted that there was previously a deal on amazon.com on the 1.83gigahertz MBP when it was discontinued that brought it down to 1500 after rebate. I missed out on that one which is too bad because ideally that is how much I would like to spend and I am wondering if we will see a deal like that again when the new MBPs are out? Or if the current line MBPs are dropped in price lets say 15% will those refurbs be down another 15% from that? If so it would drop it into my 1500 price range, just enough for me to spend the extra cash to get a MBP and not a new MB.

Again, thanks for everyone's help I do really appreciate it. I'm used to building my own PCs and not dealing with this proccess.

[dahelix]

Or November, December, January.... February.... 2009?

Or March, April, May, June...or 2008...or 2009...or 2010...or 2011...:D ;) :D ;) :D :D :rolleyes:

[OdduWon]

i am certian we will see something this month. if shuffle and xserve/raid are going to quiet releases then this presents a good opportunity for the fabled Pro core 2 to emerge. if we do not see it in oct them we will not see merom in mbp, we will see santarosa. then again if all three launch at same time there wont be any room for apature 1.5 and the mac ads on the welcome page. pro core 2 is the new ipod mini.... i mean nano. just a place holder.

[saveranger]

So no c2d mbp's today. I too am sad.

I think they wont be released until October 24, Oct 31 at the latest. This is because the isight will start shipping by then (better version possibly) and i dont think Apple wants to release a c2d mbp with an old version isight. when they could wait a couple weeks and have the mbp come out with the latest isight.

Just a thought. Sorry if for the grammer or lack of sense, i'm sick and am having trouble forming sentences.


Also, for californians who dont want to wait for the new c2d mbp - try looking for new mbp on pricegrabber.com. I found a 17" mbp for 20 dollars more than the refurbished 17" mbp on the apple site - and this is with next day air delivery. The prices are so low because the seller is out of state and you dont have to pay taxes. (well you will have to pay the tax in april when you - as an honest citizen - tell the state that you bought something online and out of state. ;) ;) nudge nudge )

[AppliedVisual]

TOr if the current line MBPs are dropped in price lets say 15% will those refurbs be down another 15% from that? If so it would drop it into my 1500 price range, just enough for me to spend the extra cash to get a MBP and not a new MB.

For the $1500 price range, have you considered a 2GHz Macbook and then dropping in 2GB and a 100~120GB HD? I understand if you want to go MBP (bigger screen, dedicated GPU and video memory, expresscard slot), but the Macbook is a pretty good deal in that price range, even compared to current PC offerings.

As for Apple and their pricing, I would guess that they will discount current MBP models about 10% cheaper than the new C2D models when they arrive. Current refurb model prices won't change until C2D refurbs show up and I bet the current model refurbs will only be about 5% cheaper than C2D refurbs.

Of course, I'm just guessing, but Apple will sell them all in due time at such prices and don't expect huge discounts. Apple has never been and probably won't ever be recognized for huge discounts and I think they will gladly pull product from the market before they sell it at a huge discount and detract from their current products.

[OdduWon]

bore 2 Mbp next tuesday or im not odd :D

[thunda32]

For the $1500 price range, have you considered a 2GHz Macbook and then dropping in 2GB and a 100~120GB HD? I understand if you want to go MBP (bigger screen, dedicated GPU and video memory, expresscard slot), but the Macbook is a pretty good deal in that price range, even compared to current PC offerings.

As for Apple and their pricing, I would guess that they will discount current MBP models about 10% cheaper than the new C2D models when they arrive. Current refurb model prices won't change until C2D refurbs show up and I bet the current model refurbs will only be about 5% cheaper than C2D refurbs.

Of course, I'm just guessing, but Apple will sell them all in due time at such prices and don't expect huge discounts. Apple has never been and probably won't ever be recognized for huge discounts and I think they will gladly pull product from the market before they sell it at a huge discount and detract from their current products.

My thinking is that I would rather spend only 1k on a macbook if I were to go that route. I like the larger screen and aluminum casing of the MB as well as the option to do some graphics (editing and such) in the future even though I have no need for that right now. Thanks for your estimates though, that definently helps. I guess I'll just be on the lookout and/or wait for the new ones to come out and see what happens.

[OdduWon]

"no female movie and zune colored siut make Pc go something, something..."

hazaaah! 100th post. mmmmmmm toast
im 1/5 the way to stewie destroying brocoli forever muuuhahahahaha ha, muhahaha ha, wow i'm creepy

[thunda32]

So no c2d mbp's today. I too am sad.

I think they wont be released until October 24, Oct 31 at the latest. This is because the isight will start shipping by then (better version possibly) and i dont think Apple wants to release a c2d mbp with an old version isight. when they could wait a couple weeks and have the mbp come out with the latest isight.

Just a thought. Sorry if for the grammer or lack of sense, i'm sick and am having trouble forming sentences.


Also, for californians who dont want to wait for the new c2d mbp - try looking for new mbp on pricegrabber.com. I found a 17" mbp for 20 dollars more than the refurbished 17" mbp on the apple site - and this is with next day air delivery. The prices are so low because the seller is out of state and you dont have to pay taxes. (well you will have to pay the tax in april when you - as an honest citizen - tell the state that you bought something online and out of state. ;) ;) nudge nudge )

Good point. I found one with a 15" screen for 1770 all told. And as loyal and honest californian I don't have to pay my tax on it till April. That's better than a refurb!

[maverick808]

I had to give up waiting. I ordered a MacBook (not Pro) and it is scheduled to arrive before the 17th.

If Apple release a new MBP with no changes other than the chip swap then I'll probably keep the MB, as I don't think Merom alone is a big change, and since I have an iMac at home I can live with integrated graphics for a while.

Totally sucks to be in this situation.

[anim8or]

Ugh. This isn't fun anymore. It's irritating.

I'm ordering my new macbook pro now. If there's a redesign next week, so be it. At least I'll have my new MBP.


In the chances that tomorrow may see the updates im waiting til then, if not im buying it before leaving college!

The only reason i have waited is that i dont wanna buy something taht will be superseeded in less than a month or two.... its a lot of money to part with!

The current spec are more than enough for me, but being a student £1800 is a lot of cash to part with for older components!

[jericho878]

When it comes to Apple's product roadmap, to say there's an enormous amount of buzz and milling of rumors is a ridiculous understatement. Believe it or not we tend to have to disregard the majority of rumors floating around (or that get sent in to us); that said, when not only one, but multiple trusted sources get in touch to let us know Steve Jobs & Co. are supposedly finally about completed with the wireless / video iPod, we have to take note. Supposedly they're preparing to announce the device in the very near future, which we've been told is both wireless and widescreen (both features we've been waiting for the iPod to take on, since, well, forever) -- you didn't think last month's new nano / new shuffle / iTV event was going to be it for the rest of the year, did you? We'll keep you posted.
Could this be the hold up? After all, nothing stops Apple from sending out another unexpected press invite to reveal a whole new slew of products (including MBP refresh), and this one more thing... Link (http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/10/apple-about-to-announce-wireless-video-ipod/)

Zune is due Nov. 14. Apple may time its event to steal Microsoft's thunder.

[Squonk]

"no female movie and zune colored siut make Pc go something, something..."

hazaaah! 100th post. mmmmmmm toast
im 1/5 the way to stewie destroying brocoli for ever muuuhahahahaha ha, muhahaha ha, wow i'm creepy

Congrats on the 100th. I just recently got there myself. Do you know what the next threashold is?

Bummer on no new MBP's today. They are going to rock whenever the arrive. :) [just adding relavence to the thread]

[OdduWon]

apple is waiting for zune. then they will release , shuffle, xserve/raid, mb 8.5 x 11, the fabled Mbp core 2 and isound portable wireless speaker set. apple is going to be all that under the tree this year.

[fastdrive]

The new MB and MBP's should be coming very soon as I have not seen one person post that they have gotten a machine that was built after week 38.

3 Options that I can see happened.

1. They stopped production for awhile to fix reported problems.
2. They stopped production to update the MB and the MBP.
3. Production was moved to a different facility (Foxconn) etc..

I don't think that fixing some of the problems associated with the MB/MBP would hold up production for such a long period of time, so option 2 or 3 seem more likely to me.

[OdduWon]

Congrats on the 100th. I just recently got there myself. Do you know what the next threashold is?

Bummer on no new MBP's today. They are going to rock whenever the arrive. :) [just adding relavence to the thread]
i think it's 500 when my avatar will be avaiable. iff i have ~400 poste to go, and 500th could come on a tuesday, then that means.. Mbp core 2 on tuesday

[fastdrive]

I don't think Apple is going to give Zune a second thought.

The Zune is it's own worst enemy. MS promised so much and is delivering so little..crippled WIFI sharing capability/downloading music, video player deficits.

[maverick808]

The new MB and MBP's should be coming very soon as I have not seen one person post that they have gotten a machine that was built after week 38.

This current week is only week 40, so there has at most been 2 weeks since week 38 and now. Possibly less, since a machine made only 8 days ago could potentially appear as a machine from 2 weeks ago.

[OdduWon]

I don't think Apple is going to give Zune a second thought.

The Zune is it's own worst enemy. MS promised so much and is delivering so little..crippled WIFI sharing capability/downloading music, video player deficits.
i think the strat is to let zune flush it'self. if so this is why we saw the "weak" realease or the "new" ipod mini.... i mean nano ;)

[Squonk]

i think it's 500 when my avatar will be avaiable. iff i have ~400 poste to go, and 500th could come on a tuesday, then that means.. Mbp core 2 on tuesday

Good luck with that! ;)

[Surf and Turf]

Does anyone have any hope for a wed release....?

[maverick808]

Does anyone have any hope for a wed release....?

No. As far as I know, Monday was not a holiday for Apple, and so a Wednesday release is very unlikely. I think it's back to the regular chant of "Next Tuesday" now. :(

[deputy_doofy]

So, what's the percentage of people who will actually buy a Merom-fitted MBP after all this whining vs. the number of people who will STILL complain (and/or not buy it anyway, but just wanted to voice their phantom frustrations)?

[maverick808]

So, what's the percentage of people who will actually buy a Merom-fitted MBP after all this whining vs. the number of people who will STILL complain (and/or not buy it anyway, but just wanted to voice their phantom frustrations)?

You mean the ratio? It's 5.38:1. Dunno why you'd want to know that though.

[OdduWon]

No. As far as I know, Monday was not a holiday for Apple, and so a Wednesday release is very unlikely. I think it's back to the regular chant of "Next Tuesday" now. :(
monday was columbus day was't it, high schools had mon off and i have thurs+fri off. so maybe wed, but i doubt apple has it set to the socond day of the work week that hard core. but there was a wed release recently wasent there? it's nearly the middle of the month and the shopping season is gathering. I think shuffle will begin feed.

[deputy_doofy]

You mean the ratio? It's 5.38:1. Dunno why you'd want to know that though.
Yes, I suppose Ratio was the exact word I was looking for. My point is, so many people complain that it's not here. So many people will complain when the MBP doesn't have X. Yet, based on past experiences, these types of people NEVER planned on buying this upcoming iteration anyway. They just want to complain about stuff and things (http://www.macjams.com/song/22422).

[jericho878]

I don't think Apple is going to give Zune a second thought.

The Zune is it's own worst enemy. MS promised so much and is delivering so little..crippled WIFI sharing capability/downloading music, video player deficits.
I disagree. Apple cannot be smug about the Zune because of Microsoft's marketing clout, the eagerness of content providers (music labels, film studios, etc.) to have a strong iPod competitor, and because however crippled the Zune does sport capabilities the iPod doesn't yet have.

I imagine Microsoft thinks of Zune as a replay of Xbox's strategy against PS2. PS2 was better but by attracting "developers" (aka content providers) to the platform and getting some mindshare, Microsoft was then able to pull together its vast resources to beat Sony to market with XBox 360.

Apple's best shot here to make sure that Microsoft's Zune player never gets any traction. How does it do that? Release a product with a substantially better feature set, before the Zune is released, at the same or slighty higher price point, so the average holiday shopper wouldn't even consider buying one. Retailers would be left with excess Zunes in inventory that they either sell at substantial discounts, or that dump back on Microsoft.

[maverick808]

Yes, I suppose Ratio was the exact word I was looking for. My point is, so many people complain that it's not here. So many people will complain when the MBP doesn't have X. Yet, based on past experiences, these types of people NEVER planned on buying this upcoming iteration anyway. They just want to complain about stuff and things (http://www.macjams.com/song/22422).

I dunno, it seems logical that most people still looking at this thread after nearly 2000 posts must be somewhat considering buying a MBP. I mean, if you are reading thousands of posts on the upcoming MBP release and aren't even considering buying at all then you have way too much time on your hands. Anyway, I'm sure if the MBP update is released and has X, Y, Z, then far more of these people will buy it than if it is released and only has X.

EDIT: oops, it's already over 2000 posts. I didn't even notice.

[AppliedVisual]

Does anyone have any hope for a wed release....?

I've always been of the opinion that if there were to be a release this week, it will be on wednesday. While Columbus Day here in the US is a fairly minor holiday and not observed by most businesses, it still is a holiday observed by the federal government and many government offices, banks and post offices were closed on monday.

Anyway, I still say that 10/31 is the day... Hopefully Apple proves me wrong by releasing earlier, but I doubt they will.

[OdduWon]

I disagree. Apple cannot be smug about the Zune because of Microsoft's marketing clout, the eagerness of content owners (music labels, film studios, etc.) to have a strong iPod competitor, and because however crippled the Zune does sport capabilities the iPod doesn't yet have.

I imagine Microsoft thinks of Zune as a replay of Xbox's strategy against PS2. PS2 was better but by attracting "developers" (aka content providers) to the platform and getting some mindshare, Microsoft was then able to pull together its vast resources to beat Sony to market with XBox 360.

Apple's best shot here to make sure that Microsoft's Zune player never gets any traction. How does it do that? Release a product with a substantially better feature set, before the Zune is released, at the same or slighty higher price point, so the average holiday shopper wouldn't even consider buying one. Retailers would be left with excess Zunes in inventory that it will either sell on substantial discounts, or that it dumps back on Microsoft.
i belive that your right. the zune despite it's menu lag, looks pretty cool. there is a lot more stuff going on IN the device. More on the go personalization. more time spent using it. they will attract many developers for this and enhance thir phone market and do a microsoft-bill world communications take over. battles will be waged and stock lost and many try to rise against...but, too late. Zune got a head start on the market and people were forced to like it because it was what everyone was familar with. the fabled true video ipod is the only wepon that will be able to deflect the creature that's comming, ZUNE.

[AppliedVisual]

I dunno, it seems logical that most people still looking at this thread after nearly 2000 posts must be somewhat considering buying a MBP. I mean, if you are reading thousands of posts on the upcoming MBP release and aren't even considering buying at all then you have way too much time on your hands. Anyway, I'm sure if the MBP update is released and has X, Y, Z, then far more of these people will buy it than if it is released and only has X.

EDIT: oops, it's already over 2000 posts. I didn't even notice.

Yeah, this thread is completely nuts and all of us here are insane. What's sad is that I probably won't buy a new MBP until Apple has an update with 802.11n support, a better GPU and support for a full 4GB (or more) RAM. This points to next spring/summer with Santa Rosa, unless Apple and Intel have something special up their sleeve for the imminent update. ...In which case, I will continue to enjoy my current MBP and instead of handing it down to the wife, I will just buy her a Macbook and probably a core duo model once they're discounted.

[uv23]

Hear that slapping sound? It's Apple dropping the ball for yet another week.:mad:

[macman2790]

Yeah, this thread is completely nuts and all of us here are insane. What's sad is that I probably won't buy a new MBP until Apple has an update with 802.11n support, a better GPU and support for a full 4GB (or more) RAM. This points to next spring/summer with Santa Rosa, unless Apple and Intel have something special up their sleeve for the imminent update. ...In which case, I will continue to enjoy my current MBP and instead of handing it down to the wife, I will just buy her a Macbook and probably a core duo model once they're discounted.
i think they will have something special up their sleeve for this update. I have a good feeling that it will be at mwsf. I can wait.

[absurdio]

Basically, if the Merom MBPs aren't released tomorrow, I'm out of options. Like I said, Apple's basically buying me this computer to replace the broken-ass tibook i'm struggling along with now, but their kindness has its limits. I doubt very much that i can stall any longer on ordering.

Looks like I'll be selling a Yonah MBP within a couple of months. *sigh*

[maverick808]

i think they will have something special up their sleeve for this update. I have a good feeling that it will be at mwsf. I can wait.

If Apple don't update until MWSF then they have really truely dropped the ball. Apple is already behind virtually every other computer manufacturer out there by over a month. Whilst the Apple faithful may be willing to put up with this, and wait however long it takes for new Macs to come out, potential switchers will not be. To them, they look at the market and see that right now Apple are using last generation chips whilst every other manufacturer has moved on.

Imagine if Apple don't update until MWSF. That means that at the start of January potential switchers will look at Apple and see that they are using chips that have been out of date for over 3 months in their PREMIUM top end machine. Furthermore, they'll also see that although the market has moved rapidly, as it always does, Apple haven't bothered to update their flagship notebook for an entire year.

[Garden Knowm]

That will kill me if they wait until january....

[OdduWon]

Apple is already behind virtually every other computer manufacturer out there by over a month. Whilst the Apple faithful may be willing to put up with this, and wait however long it takes for new Macs to come out, potential switchers will not be. To them, they look at the market and see that right now Apple are using last generation chips whilst every other manufacturer has moved on. Apple haven't bothered to update their flagship notebook for an entire year.

MB and MBP will be updated together if it's holiday shopers their after. if you look at it october holds a i level release, shuffle, and a pro lever release, xserve/xraid. this would be a good time to introduce updated to Mb and MBP because of the customer traffic that will come with it. pros will look ata Mbp to purchase with their server, and people buying shuffles will look at the new lower priced upgraded Mb's. i love october!

[tarjan]

Post office was closed on monday, therefor we are talking about a wednesday release.

(yeah, likelyhood is very, very low.)

Come on hi-res screen and updated gfx card! (at least options for both)

[maverick808]

Post office was closed on monday, therefor we are talking about a wednesday release.

But Apple stores were open, which means it wasn't a holiday for Apple staff. So I really doubt there would be a release tomorrow.

[ChickenSwartz]

But Apple stores were open, which means it wasn't a holiday for Apple staff. So I really doubt there would be a release tomorrow.

Apple stores were open on Labor Day.

[tarjan]

They cant release the product without being able to ship the product, and all stores have to have product at the same time in the apple world. Therefore I can try to rationalize why a holiday that should have no effect on the possible sale of apple's goods, could in reality cause major issues when it comes to actually selling on a specific date.

In other words, I am bored and sick of waiting like everyone else. The laptops are so close to what I would pay money for, but not quite there yet. Very frustrating!

[ct-scan]

So, what's the percentage of people who will actually buy a Merom-fitted MBP after all this whining vs. the number of people who will STILL complain (and/or not buy it anyway, but just wanted to voice their phantom frustrations)?

I'll buy the moment it becomes available.
My AlBook is out of warranty this month... :(

[azzurri000]

Yes, I suppose Ratio was the exact word I was looking for. My point is, so many people complain that it's not here. So many people will complain when the MBP doesn't have X. Yet, based on past experiences, these types of people NEVER planned on buying this upcoming iteration anyway. They just want to complain about stuff and things (http://www.macjams.com/song/22422).


Shameless self promotion alert ! ;)

I can only speak for myself, and my story is that I am a university student who doesn't want to pay a premium for old technology. I don't think I could afford to buy another machine while I'm a student, so I want to make sure that I get the best Mac for my money right now.

[OdduWon]

there is so much stuff comming out in the next 4 months from appl it's going to make microsoft's head spin :eek:

[generik]

Vista is supposed to come out in Jan, so perhaps buying it at MWSF may be wise...

[mdelaney123]

I am thinking any upgrade will only be a core2duo... Nothing else... Anything more and I would think Apple would want to make a show of it...

So... If they are going to make a show of it... it must be at least a few weeks off...

[Phishin' it]

Is there a chance it maybe tomorrow due to the holiday? Apple this is retarded, get your **** together and release the update or my business will find other C2D models.

[timmillwood]

I am thinking any upgrade will only be a core2duo... Nothing else... Anything more and I would think Apple would want to make a show of it...

So... If they are going to make a show of it... it must be at least a few weeks off...

Thats all we need, the iMac came out unannounced with only a core 2 duo and price reduction... Oh Yeh and the 24" sreen

I would like loads of new features but dont need it, i am only waiting because i dont want an out of date computer in a months time, i want atleast 6-12months before it is out of date

[ggpike]

Well, this is my first post on these forums. I have to chime in on all of this. I have just started going back to school for graphic design (career change ) and have realized that I finally need to break down and get a mac. I'm in the camp that if I'm going to shell out the money to get one of these, it'd better be the latest and greatest. Problem is, that I need this asap for projects as I do not have time to take the 40 min drive to the school just to work on projects when I get a spare minute. So here I am, hoping and praying that they release these in the next couple of weeks.

[djkny]

Well, this is my first post on these forums. I have to chime in on all of this. I have just started going back to school for graphic design (career change ) and have realized that I finally need to break down and get a mac. I'm in the camp that if I'm going to shell out the money to get one of these, it'd better be the latest and greatest. Problem is, that I need this asap for projects as I do not have time to take the 40 min drive to the school just to work on projects when I get a spare minute. So here I am, hoping and praying that they release these in the next couple of weeks.

keep praying. Apple's bull junk. They're not gonna release anything, anytime soon in the next several weeks. You heard it hear, first.

[timmillwood]

keep praying. Apple's bull junk. They're not gonna release anything, anytime soon in the next several weeks. You heard it hear, first.

From Apple Insider*
"Nevertheless, people familiar with Apple's product plans have said the company will update both its MacBook and MacBook Pro lines with Intel Corp.'s Core 2 Duo processors in time for the start of holiday shopping season this November."

[OdduWon]

lepoard and santarosa 64 bit 802.11n, what i'm waiting for.

[anim8or]

You i am starting to think, as cool as they are, that the 24" iMac was a waste of apple's time....

...a waste of merom development time.

Now im sure that apple and intel have separate teams working on development of each piece of hardware, but for an update to be foreseen this early and gather this much hype only NOT to be released would be extremely wierd.

Ok its their business they can do as thy wish but the other manufacturers have shown their cards early and will most likely lose to apple's hand when they finally release/announce the MBP.

Why cant apple just say something, anything. I would part with my money now if there was not be an update til next year, i would have parted with it a long time ago if that were the case.

Im also sure that if there is to be no update then apple sales staff would (hopefully) be told to inform buyers of the fact.

To be this secretive without an update would be strange IMHO?

[timmillwood]

lepoard and santarosa 64 bit 802.11n, what i'm waiting for.

well you will be waiting a long time, doubt apple will do that for about 7 months

[OdduWon]

gonna need one for poly next year :)

[n00bst3r]

Luckily for me, since Apple has been messing around trying to get this new MBP out I have had time to decide that I really don't need one. Thats what 9 months of waiting will do to a person. Thank you Apple for saving me $2800! I'm gonna put that money to a new TV and Windows Media machine!

[Dublinstiofán]

Give me a break i and everybody else here have been waiting long enough (nearly 6 months now).

Just think about it. If everybody that claimed to be waiting to buy when C2D arrives your really playing with fire here. Thats like like €100-€150k into Apples bank account.Your also seriously in danger of losing some very faithful customers to Dell or Sony if this keeps up as oh yes they have already made the switch and are shipping C2D portables for 3 weeks(oh the shame of it all).

****************Come on Wednesday silent update.***************

I really need one for college its so hard to do my course without a laptop.
And i don't wanna hear smart asses saying why don't you just get a core duo one. As you know the answers

1. Extra speed and possibility of other upgrades at the time
2. Because i would be so sick if i spent €2829 on a 17" MBP and there was an update next week.

Wish they would just update or tell us when to expect one at least (1 month, 2 months etc) I cant wait much longer im 3 weeks back in college and i really cant do my work without it.

[generik]

gonna need one for poly next year :)

Considering what Apple has done, Apple will undate the freaking iMacs first next year, and MBPs with your specs will only ship towards WWDC next year...

[bobber205]

Luckily for me, since Apple has been messing around trying to get this new MBP out I have had time to decide that I really don't need one. Thats what 9 months of waiting will do to a person. Thank you Apple for saving me $2800! I'm gonna put that money to a new TV and Windows Media machine!

No! Don't! Stay away!

Good lord people. Unless you have to have a specific feature, order now.... :rolleyes:

[anim8or]

"Insiders and analysts alike believe the Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple stands a solid chance of selling as many as 1 million notebook systems during the three-month period ending December. The milestone would be a company first."

from apple insider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2125)

For this to be true i would think Apple needs to start selling them soon!


Also of note: If apple intends on releasing a true video ipod by xmas then they would probably want to show it off, maybe at MacExpo, so a silent update to MBP would be more likely i think.

[generik]

"Insiders and analysts alike believe the Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple stands a solid chance of selling as many as 1 million notebook systems during the three-month period ending December. The milestone would be a company first."

from apple insider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2125)

For this to be true i would think Apple needs to start selling them soon!


Also of note: If apple intends on releasing a true video ipod by xmas then they would probably want to show it off, maybe at MacExpo, so a silent update to MBP would be more likely i think.

I am pretty sure Apple can market their crap to 1 million people who knows nothing about industry trends and buy it all the same. Hey, don't forget people still bought PBs when they were running with a pokey G4 processor!

[anim8or]

I am pretty sure Apple can market their crap to 1 million people who knows nothing about industry trends and buy it all the same. Hey, don't forget people still bought PBs when they were running with a pokey G4 processor!

Are you mad?

The article talks of Core 2 Duo notebooks. Notebooks that as of today still do not exist, at least in public, so how do you think they can sell 1 million in under 3 months wheb they are still not around.....!

[DavidCar]

FWIW, I reevaluated my needs, accepted some tradeoffs, and bought a new iMac. Best wishes to the rest of you.

[rcm3]

I'm very tired of this topic.

I'm very tired of this thread.

I'm very tired of apple.

And I don't even own one yet.

I've wasted enough time. Will one of you be kind enough to send me a PM when they release the new hardware?

I've got things to do.

Laterz. :p

[AppliedVisual]

You i am starting to think, as cool as they are, that the 24" iMac was a waste of apple's time....

The 24" iMac is an awesome system... However, Apple made three big goofs with it.

1> Should have been the Conroe desktop C2D processor instead of Merom inside.

2> Should be using the Intel i96x series chipset for support of 4GB to 8GB of RAM.

3> Should have had a couple better video options. 7600GT is a mid-range GPU.

And If you really want to pick nits, Apple should have put a DVI input on the back of the thing so not only could it be a stand-alone system, but a display as well. A 24" iMac would make a great second system and second display for a Mac Pro or Power Mac.

[daneoni]

Hey, don't forget people still bought PBs when they were running with a pokey G4 processor!

Oi!, DO NOT diss the G4, bow before the almighty G4 or ye shall be smitten

[daneoni]

Isnt Apple losing sales by doing this?

[timmillwood]

Isnt Apple losing sales by doing this?

yep