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MacBytes
Sep 19, 2006, 10:12 PM
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jholzner
Sep 19, 2006, 10:27 PM
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Hmm...well, I guess I agree but I didn't think the article was that good. There was nothing new in it. Just a rehash of stuff we already know.

Blue Velvet
Sep 19, 2006, 10:32 PM
Maybe Microsoft are implementing their own peculiar version of the Google model; throw enough money around to see what sticks... without a solid and over-arching strategy. I only say that because the evidence isn't seeming to show one.

Is there life after Office?

emorydunn
Sep 19, 2006, 11:04 PM
Well seeing that there is a free way to do what Microsoft does (ie open office, linux (or ilegal windows copies) I think microsoft will try anything that they can- gaming, mp3, heck maybe they will start making their won computers and flying cars (oh God let me live after getting into one- i wonder if it would feature nice relaxing music as it crashed) But Microsoft is as the article says is worse for ware, and fighting an uphill battle.

jhu
Sep 19, 2006, 11:10 PM
that wasn't really much of an article as opposed to just a really short commentary on superficial aspects of microsoft's general consumer products. given its vast resources, microsoft should not be underestimated.

iJaz
Sep 20, 2006, 06:40 AM
What a badly written article!

alywa
Sep 20, 2006, 09:56 AM
That was not worth the 2 minutes it took to read. However...

1. Vista will be a smashing success. Why? Because people will get it when they upgrade their PCs. Sorry apple... most folks will continue to stick with Dell, HP, Sony, etc due to ignorance about macs and fears that they won't be able to use their current software. I don't forsee many folks purchasing Vista as an upgrade to their current systems, certainly not in the corporate space.

2. Xbox and Wii are going to win this round. Sony has completely jumped the shark with PSIII. To expensive, too many delays, and most folks frankly don't care about blu-ray. Imagine the DRM this thing is going to have for any content purchasing / streaming.

3. Zune. Who knows? I can easily see it quickly becoming a clear #2 product. There are a lot of apple haters (as there are a lot of MS haters). Unlike the article's ill-informed author, we know about Zune marketplace. I don't think the WiFi will be a big deal (except with gadget freaks), but MS has the cash and talent to sit and develop a product over time, even if they initially lose money.

The future of iPod -vs- Zune will be decided by content and peripherals. Apple has a huge headstart for peripherals, car integration, and home integration. This took a long time to build. The zune marketplace could open tomorrow and be as good as iTMS, but the peripheral / home / auto markets will take a long time to develop. As far as machines, I think the Zune looks nice (not as nice as the iPod, yet), but certainly interesting. However, the chance of me personally getting one is zero (or near zero) due to the fact that I have iPod integration in both cars, my home stereo, and I have a ton of iTMS purchases.

Maccus Aurelius
Sep 20, 2006, 02:06 PM
I agree about Vista being successful, even if it runs into major kinks(which I'm almost convinced there will be). Personally, I think Microsoft may be trying a bit too hard to be groundbreaking. By now we all know "groundbreaking" is meaningless. As long as Mac OS remains exclusive for apple computers, people will forever use Microsoft operating systems, regardless of its quirks and relative insecurity.

I'm sticking with my PS2, because no way in hell am I paying for the useless BlueRay Disc and whatever other doodads are in the PS3.

The idea is floating about that Apple is upgrading its ipod once again to be a "true" video ipod, with possibly a video capable nano. It suggests a larger screen and a better search interface. The fact that the present iPods are much cheaper than before makes the Zune even harder to stomach, unless Microsoft manages to undercut the Zune in price. But remember, Creative Labs is no slouch, and can easily come up with a suddenly superior Zen to compete with it and the iPod.

I download lots of stuff off of iTMS and Aquistion, which also interfaces with iTunes. Even Limewire connects with it. iTunes is even present on many machines running Windows XP. Even people who hate Mac OS X still use iPods, which says quite a bit. The Zune may be successful so long as it can make people like it over the Zen. But iPods will probably not be beaten for a very long time, since it's had its foot in the door much much longer. Microsoft will have to come up with some magic to really be a threat.

Personally, I don't hate Microsoft. My only real issues are with security. The firewall is a joke, and they don't offer much in the way of support beyond suggesting third party anti-virus/spyware software programs. Apple provides all of the security updates for their own operating system, and has the stability of its UNIX platform. I predict that with Vista, Microsoft will still have the same deal with shoddy firewalls and the requirement of third party software purchases, which is why I don't bother with them anymore. If they were able to provide better security for their own operating system, I would consider getting a good PC with Vista alongside my other computers. If not, only Mac OS X and beyond for me.

Macnoviz
Sep 20, 2006, 02:29 PM
I can imagine Vista not selling well as an upgrade, and a lot of frustration ahead for Winblows users, but that won't mean all of those people will switch to Mac, most of them will stay with Windows XP, or just stop using their computers for a while and get out there, doing some sports, hobbies, watch some TV, discovering what makes them them; But not switching to Mac.

The only one losing here will be the m$ users, and no one will win

shelterpaw
Sep 20, 2006, 08:51 PM
Micrsoft will promote Vista to no end. It'll take a year or two, but most PC useres will jump ship. There's no gloom and doom for Microsoft, it's just wishful thinking. Besides, if they did go south who'd play the roll of the dark side. :p