Down with Cannon thread. [Archive]

princealfie

Sep 22, 2006, 03:24 PM

For those photogs who don't like Cannon, feel free to post your opinions:

I don't like those plasticey images.
I don't like the MS techniques to corner the market.
It riles me up to see that "Cannon" logo.
What is next for the 35-70mm f4-5.6 zoom!
etc. etc.

Actually I have some real reasons but I thought that I will stir up the pot.

(By the way, I am mostly a Olympus and Leica guy with a few Nikkon pieces here and there for sports photography.)

Okay antiCannonfolks, spill your beans!

balamw

Sep 22, 2006, 03:25 PM

At least learn to spell what you claim to dislike. :p

B

princealfie

Sep 22, 2006, 03:26 PM

That was a deliberate misspelling thanx. I never use a single n for those ba_____s.

balamw

Sep 22, 2006, 03:31 PM

That was a deliberate misspelling thanx. I never use a single n for those ba_____s.
I guess you hate Nikon too. :p

B

xper

Sep 22, 2006, 03:37 PM

Hmm yeah sorry, you don´t seem to know what you are talking about ;)
Really fun that someone could prefer Olympus over Canon, oh well, the taste is like a butt, splitted (wow that phrace works alot better in my native language.)

Oh ok, the only thing i hate is that i am not able to have my 350D (rebel xt) shooting RAW images in Auto mode, i want to be able to do it, please release a firmware that alowes me to, thanks.

annk

Sep 22, 2006, 03:43 PM

Troll? :confused:

I can't see the point of a thread specifically aimed at encouraging negative comments.

kwajo.com

Sep 22, 2006, 03:44 PM

this is really a rather strange thread, so instead of replying, I will steer it by asking if anyone has seen the newly announced Pentax 645D Medium Format body? :cool:

http://www.hanssen.priv.no/svenn/gfx/p645D-800.jpg

http://www.hanssen.priv.no/svenn/gfx/p645D-2-800.jpg

:D

Clix Pix

Sep 22, 2006, 03:44 PM

This thread is headed to Wasteland and the guy doing all these spammy posts in various threads is probably cruising for a bruise.

wmmk

Sep 22, 2006, 03:54 PM

I don't like those plasticey images.

I don't like those plastic-y cameras!

bousozoku

Sep 22, 2006, 03:57 PM

This thread is headed to Wasteland and the guy doing all these spammy posts in various threads is probably cruising for a bruise.

Although it's not much worse than telling non-Canon, non-Nikon people to post in a thread, it's not really a useful topic.

I agree that the original poster has proven himself to be a spammer long before this.

mkrishnan

Sep 22, 2006, 04:01 PM

Mmmm, a medium format dSLR sounds like it would be a lot of fun, kwajo! :)

Erm, P.S. plasticky bodies, I can understand. But how are the images that come out of the camera plasticky? I've never had someone look at one of my 300D images and say, did you spray everything in the scene with plastic before you shot that? :confused:

wmmk

Sep 22, 2006, 04:03 PM

this is really a rather strange thread, so instead of replying, I will steer it by asking if anyone has seen the newly announced Pentax 645D Medium Format body? :cool:

~huge images~

:D
dang, that's cool! it's not up on pentaxslr.com, though. any details on price or specs?

atari1356

Sep 22, 2006, 04:09 PM

this is really a rather strange thread, so instead of replying, I will steer it by asking if anyone has seen the newly announced Pentax 645D Medium Format body? :cool: :D

Looks cool, but I'm saving my pennies for this 160 megapixel camera (http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/scienzaetecnologia/macchina-seitz/1.html):

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/scienzaetecnologia/macchina-seitz/esterne201706482009170748_big.jpg

( not ;) )

kwajo.com

Sep 22, 2006, 05:45 PM

here are the announced specs, including the exciting parts about it using the existing 20 years of 645 lenses, and it soon reaching 30MP :eek: It should be fairly affordable as MF bodies go, probably similar to the upper end Nikon and Canon digital bodies

Model name ( tentative ) : PENTAX 645 Digital

Product information & marketing schedule :
- 18 effective megapixels
- PENTAX 645AF mount
- Compatibility with existing smc PENTAX 645-series lenses
- Marketing schedule to be announced later

Other information :

This product will be continuously upgraded by incorporating newly developed image sensors, with its final effective megapixels expected to reach a 30-megapixel level.
http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200646.html

bigandy

Sep 22, 2006, 05:49 PM

expected to reach a 30-megapixel level
:eek: you're freakin kidding me!

balofagus

Sep 22, 2006, 06:17 PM

I read that Pentax will be picking something between 18 and 30, depending on what manufacturer they decide on. Looks rather nifty!

freebooter

Sep 22, 2006, 06:19 PM

Looks cool, but I'm saving my pennies for this 160 megapixel camera (http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/scienzaetecnologia/macchina-seitz/1.html):

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/scienzaetecnologia/macchina-seitz/esterne201706482009170748_big.jpg

( not ;) )

That'd be a great pocket camera...for Shrek.

As to "Cannon", I kinda liked that fat, old detective.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/Planter12/images.jpg

FleurDuMal

Sep 22, 2006, 06:24 PM

Looks cool, but I'm saving my pennies for this 160 megapixel camera (http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/scienzaetecnologia/macchina-seitz/1.html):

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/scienzaetecnologia/macchina-seitz/esterne201706482009170748_big.jpg

( not ;) )

Perhaps that camera's just normal size and that guy is really, really small?

Mike Teezie

Sep 22, 2006, 07:03 PM

Great thread.

freebooter

Sep 23, 2006, 06:20 AM

O.K., so Frank Cannon was a tad..."hefty", but come on! His image was far from "plasticy".
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/Planter12/CannonwithaGun.jpg

He was frickin' intense! :cool:

Abstract

Sep 23, 2006, 06:40 AM

That'd be a great pocket camera...for Shrek.

As to "Cannon", I kinda liked that fat, old detective.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/Planter12/images.jpg

Dang, you can skateboard it all the way home afterwards.

And that Pentax medium format camera looks very very cool. There's going to be a time when we're not going to be able to pick up enough light using our little sensors and will all need to switch to cameras with larger sensors, I think.

Meh.............I'll wait for a Nikon version. (and yes, I know one isn't coming)
;)

HckySo

Sep 23, 2006, 07:33 AM

gauchogolfer

Sep 23, 2006, 07:37 AM

I'm going to assume that the above post is sarcastic, because it's obviously Canon's fault how someone uses their equipment. Surely this situation would never arise if the photographers had just bought Nikon 2Dxs... :rolleyes:

iMeowbot

Sep 23, 2006, 07:41 AM

I used to have a Canon and the display blew out past the warranty date. Ever since it's been Monroe all the way, their service plan is excellent.

cookie1105

Sep 23, 2006, 08:36 AM

Your comments reflect very well on the mentality and attitude of Olympus/Leica photographers, op.

sierra oscar

Sep 23, 2006, 11:39 AM

I don't like the attitude and lack of true artistic ability in a Canon photographer. I recently went to a family wedding and it was odd because I was at a wedding but not working for the photographer. This Canon lady made sure that no one had a flash on and no one was leaning in the lane. ...

I don't really understand the above position - or the attitude of this original thread. I've used Nikon's and Hassleblads for years - and during the process of wet to dry in photography - many of the tried and true photographic steadies - like Nikon etc were really caught napping I feel and fell way behind digital development.

I think companies like Canon, Fuji (to a lesser extent Sony) took up the slack, and I feel have really contributed to digital development.

HckySo: I don't understand how you can blame a company for an operators lack of (assumed) expertise. I know when I was first starting out doing weddings ... I would get overexposed shots using my twin rollei-flex and ext flash - when relatives taking their own pictures behind me with albeit dinky flashes would really affect my light meter reading calculations.

Any model of camera can be a 'lemon' - some brands are better than others - sure - but I think it's perhaps more insightful of ppl's biases here about company loyalty or disloyalty that is really telling - and signifies that something else is really the issue maybe.

evilgEEk

Sep 23, 2006, 12:23 PM

The mentality of most Cannon shooter are such that ...
Do us a favor and just stop posting.

Kwajo, that camera is hot! I've never owned a Pentax digital, but I had a great 35mm SLR back in the day. I loved that camera. A cousin has it now because she was taking a photography class in high school.

But, 30 megapixels?! That's crazy!

A cruel irony that you posted those pics yesterday and your own baby was stolen last night. But now you have a reason to get that new Pentax! ;)

beavo451

Sep 23, 2006, 01:15 PM

Somebody needs a serious public behavior check... :rolleyes:

bousozoku

Sep 23, 2006, 01:31 PM

I don't like the attitude and lack of true artistic ability in a Canon photographer. I recently went to a family wedding and it was odd because I was at a wedding but not working for the photographer. This Canon lady made sure that no one had a flash on and no one was leaning in the lane. The lady was a pretty good photo journalist during the wedding but she hired two other guys to take photos and it felt like a photo shoot, and since she hired two other guys she left half way through the reception because she was probably paying her photographers by the hour, which is okay, she's entitled to her package and they have a wedding booked tomorrow. It almost seemed like they just bought five Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II's and called themselves wedding photographers just because they're PPA certified. There wasn't anything magical with their shoots either, oh well.

I hate to tell you but that is typical of wedding photographers. They laugh at the people taking photos with their disposable cameras and they sometimes make snide remarks about the bride and groom. It has nothing to do with having a Canon camera, though Canon owners tend to be snooty in their own right.

ThunderLounge

Sep 23, 2006, 01:57 PM

Why can I hear a voice like Chris Farley's in my head asking if this thread will ever die?

:rolleyes:

sierra oscar

Sep 23, 2006, 03:19 PM

Why can I hear a voice like Chris Farley's in my head asking if this thread will ever die? :rolleyes:

...ironic

law guy

Sep 23, 2006, 03:26 PM

If only this thread could make a quick transit to the wasteland.

bousozoku

Sep 23, 2006, 05:34 PM

If only this thread could make a quick transit to the wasteland.

You're a Canon owner? :p

kwajo.com

Sep 23, 2006, 06:16 PM

If only this thread could make a quick transit to the wasteland.

hey, come on now, I saved this thread entirely. it lives a healthy life now :p

Mike Teezie

Sep 23, 2006, 06:21 PM

I hate to tell you but that is typical of wedding photographers. They laugh at the people taking photos with their disposable cameras and they sometimes make snide remarks about the bride and groom. It has nothing to do with having a Canon camera, though Canon owners tend to be snooty in their own right.

I'm glad I'm the exception to everything above!

snap58

Sep 23, 2006, 06:28 PM

I'm glad I'm the exception to everything above!

Me too! : )

bousozoku

Sep 23, 2006, 06:40 PM

I'm glad I'm the exception to everything above!

Of course. :D

Me too! : )

Yes, and you too. :D

If I was willing to photograph a wedding and deal with all the screaming people, I'd probably be upset, so I don't even want to be involved. My last involvement in a wedding was as the pianist and I don't want to do that again, either. :D

law guy

Sep 23, 2006, 06:42 PM

hey, come on now, I saved this thread entirely. it lives a healthy life now :p

It's true - the Pentax medium format item was a good redirect.

Mike, I think B.'s comment about Canon owners is in jest. Although I have noticed that folks seem a little conceited when around a Canon office copier. Now Mac owners, well no help for us. Quite snooty, I'm afraid. :)

law guy

Sep 23, 2006, 06:49 PM

You're a Canon owner? :p

Absolutely, but Clix did have the same notion and she uses that brand manufactured in the nation with the recent coup.

cgratti

Sep 23, 2006, 09:29 PM

How can you not like this?

http://www.robgalbraith.com/data/1/rec_imgs/992_canon_30d_front01.jpg

iGary

Sep 23, 2006, 09:34 PM

I've used Nikon's and Hassleblads for years.

You mean Hasselblad? ;)

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2006, 09:37 PM

This thread is headed to Wasteland and the guy doing all these spammy posts in various threads is probably cruising for a bruise.

Guess you are wrong so far Connie. :eek:

Shame of it is he seems to be a Leica guy, and I assume that he has made similar posts (or maybe a twin of his) on the Leica forum run by Leica itself.

On that forum Sean Reid (http://www.reidreviews.com/reidreviews/), a respected reviewer gave this reply about his view about the new Leica M8 being the digital equivalent to the "Texas Leica" (aka the Fuji 6x7 and 6x9 RF's):

1) I don't go by MP math per se, I go by my eyeballs. Right now, there are four cameras (135mm form factor) that create quality that reminds me of medium format film: Canon 1Ds, Canon 1DsMkII, Canon 5D, Leica DMR. So there are four reference points to consider. Michael Reichman concurs with me, I believe, on the first three and has not tested the fourth. There's more to file quality than math, of course.

Note that for the MF "feel" in images, Canon seems to lead the pack.

I have been wrestling about giving new life to my Leica M6TTL with the introduction of the new M8. My M6 sees little use since going digital, but that kit is so nice; I have have kept for now.More on that in another thread. :)

I will say that in my desire to make the right choice on the M8, I have looked deeply at some of the sample pics on DPR for the D200 and D80. With a particular eye towards the 1600 and 3200 ISO. Did look at similar images from Canon on DPR, and on the screen there appeared to be little difference between brands, if you look past sensor size.

I plan on taking the sample images from DPR and making some 13x19 prints (both native and using a noise reduction program) from the D80 and the D200.

I am wrestling with the thought of an M6TTL kit that is not seeing much use, and some great glass that I have gotten for my new Nikon kit - and perhaps to have the best of all worlds. A Leica digital/film kit, and a Nikon kit for when an SLR is the best option.

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2006, 09:42 PM

You mean Hasselblad? ;)

Wasn't going to go there as a copywriter for my company a couple years back. :)

sierra oscar

Sep 23, 2006, 10:04 PM

You mean Hasselblad? ;)

yeah I typo - and I also left out the apostrophe - I make typos all over the place in conversational forums - it's a discussion...

and along with chip novamac - not sure if this is some type of 'humour' or just self righteousness - but it isn't conducive to positive community participation I feel

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2006, 10:16 PM

yeah I typo - I make them all over the place - not sure what this type humour is called...

Just be happy you are not a copywriter for advertising.

I did the ads for the company I work for now. In one ad I fumbled on the 1-800 number. I placed the wrong last four digits of our 800 number with one our stores last four digits. :eek:

As luck would have it, there was one company that matched my miss print in our local ad in a local newspaper. That company received calls three months after the ad date! In the end they were cool about it, and we took care of them for their time, trouble, and cost.

sierra oscar

Sep 23, 2006, 10:29 PM

Chip novamac - yeah... I'm glad I'm not an editor or copywriter - it's so easy to overlook things - I always get an editor to edit my work - it's a specialised skill. I know it's annoying reading typos and spelling errors, but if I were marking a paper I would have a different mindset than reading a forum - that's really the essence of what I'm saying.

Pointing such things out just doesn't add value to the 'community spirit' here I feel. Some ppl have varying skills, and I wish that wasn't a barrier to participation in something as relatively benign as a discussion on Canon.

Not sure what is really behind such comments - but generally it isn't a positive thing to try to put someone down for an error - so that others can feel better.

iGary

Sep 23, 2006, 10:31 PM

Pointing such things out just doesn't add value to the 'community spirit' here I feel.

I razzed you because you said you had been using them for years. Seemed ironic.

Lighten up. ;) :)

Clix Pix

Sep 23, 2006, 10:38 PM

How can you not like this?

http://www.robgalbraith.com/data/1/rec_imgs/992_canon_30d_front01.jpg

WOW! That is some impressive lens! The new 85mm f/1.2, eh? I'll bet people are going to get some fantastic images with that beauty! What's not to love there?

Sure, I'm a Nikon girl, but I appreciate a fine lens when I see one!

Dark

Sep 23, 2006, 10:40 PM

All you people have to be kidding me...This is like racial profiling based on cameras instead of race. Like the comment regarding Canon owners and the wedding photographers. This thread is going downhill fast.

Oh and ps. That 30d and L lens just got me hard.

sierra oscar

Sep 23, 2006, 11:38 PM

I razzed you because you said you had been using them for years. Seemed ironic.

Lighten up. ;) :)

yeah point taken and I can relax and give it a rest - but it's a lofty position to take at someone else's expensive - so I don't think the irony is mine

bousozoku

Sep 23, 2006, 11:49 PM

ATD

Sep 24, 2006, 08:51 AM

here are the announced specs, including the exciting parts about it using the existing 20 years of 645 lenses, and it soon reaching 30MP :eek: It should be fairly affordable as MF bodies go, probably similar to the upper end Nikon and Canon digital bodies

http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200646.html

I have been hearing about this for a while but I have not seen it until now, thanks for the link. I would hope it will take 6x7 lenses also (I have a whole lot of them, would hate to see them go to waste). 30MP, NICE. :D

netdog

Sep 24, 2006, 09:08 AM

Canons are great. I have a 10D and an IXUSi with 5MP. Both are fantastic for what they are.

iGary

Sep 24, 2006, 09:09 AM

yeah point taken and I can relax and give it a rest - but it's a lofty position to take at someone else's expensive - so I don't think the irony is mine

Gotta have the last word, don't you? :rolleyes:

annk

Sep 24, 2006, 09:18 AM

Gotta have the last word, don't you? :rolleyes:

And I don't get the "I don't think the irony is mine" bit. :confused:

Mike Teezie

Sep 24, 2006, 12:04 PM

It's true - the Pentax medium format item was a good redirect.

Mike, I think B.'s comment about Canon owners is in jest. Although I have noticed that folks seem a little conceited when around a Canon office copier. Now Mac owners, well no help for us. Quite snooty, I'm afraid. :)

Oh, I know. I haven't been offended a single time in the thread. bousozoku is right about most wedding photog's, however.

I never got the whole camera envy/hate thing. A friend of mine, a great photographer, is a staunch Nikon chick. She handed me her D200, and you know what I thought? "Damn. Sweet camera." Then, I did the unthinkable. I started taking pictures with it - and liked it!

And you know what I think when I pick up a 5D? "Damn. Sweet camera."

I happen to shoot Canon. Whee! :rolleyes:

I'd rather talk about photographs, not about tools. Thank God most people around here feel the same.

:)