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Shrek
Apr 3, 2003, 08:32 PM
Some people here dislike my views of homosexuality, which I pointed out in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22989). However, after much thought and study I came upon the following:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. --Romans 1:26-27 NIV

Notice the words 'lust' and 'perversion' is used here. That's what homosexuality is all about: lust. Lust after the body-type of someone of the same sex. Indeed, I do believe it is possible to be born this way, but that doesn't mean one should act on this lust.

Now look what the Bible has to say about love:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. --1 Corinthians 13 NIV

WOW!!!

This is the the kind of selfless love that goes against the natural human inclination. It is a giving, expect nothing in return kind of love. This love is based on the deliberate choice of the one who loves rather than the worthiness of the one who is loved. Now that is awesome and full of power! This is God's love.

Now look at this:

Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. --2 Timothy 2:22 NIV

This proves that it is possible to flee from any lifestyle which contradicts what God wants for each and every one of us.

So, if you choose your partner out of lust you are living a life of sin and perversion. Choose your partner out of love and you are doing what is righteous and good.

The same goes for homosexuals. Homosexuals can either lust after those of the same sex and live in sin, or they can learn how to truly love someone of the opposite sex and live righteously. For out of love, a homosexual should be even be able to "make love" to someone of the same sex out of love and not out of lust.

This makes very good sense because their have been people who have been gay and have learned to love, thus leaving their perversive lifestyles and pursuing a lifestyle of love, peace, and righteousness.

Note that all of the above passages were written by Paul the Apostle.

Shrek
Apr 3, 2003, 08:46 PM
Here is a good sermon I found on the Internet about homosexuality. The first link has the notes, the second the actual sermon. I haven't actually read it or listened to it yet, so please don't discredit me. I just now received these links from someone else on another forum site. ;)

http://www.evbc.org/xweb/comms/1/objects/TS_020203.pdf (http://www.evbc.org/xweb/comms/1/objects/TS_020203.pdf)

http://www.evbc.org/xweb/comms/MediaRedirector.aspx?n=1&a=1936 (http://www.evbc.org/xweb/comms/MediaRedirector.aspx?n=1&a=1936)

Perci Mac
Apr 3, 2003, 08:54 PM
"...the bible this" , "...the bible that", "...the bible states that this is wrong and blah blah blah". Honestly, who cares what the bible says anymore. I don't mean to start a controversy, but the bible is not exactly non fiction.

mischief
Apr 3, 2003, 08:57 PM
You are attacking homosexuals as if God has given you a mission.... But the only good psychological explaination for your behaviour isn't devine inspiration but latent homosexuality. Do us all a favor and go sit out a night at a Gay nightclub and then tell me they're degenerates.

scem0
Apr 3, 2003, 09:02 PM
Shrek - do you think that a homosexual man being in a
relationship w/ another man because of lust is more sinful
than a man being in a relationship with a woman because
of lust?

Shrek
Apr 3, 2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by mischief
You are attacking homosexuals as if God has given you a mission....

No, just preaching to them as if God has given me a mission. ;)