Mac OS X Panther to be "unlike anything else out there" says looprumors [Archive]

etoiles

Apr 4, 2003, 06:59 PM

"The new operating system will have Amazon's one-click technology built right in, so shopping becomes part of the OS"

"As in years past, Apple is working hard on making the new OS work for the user rather than the user doing the work"

So the OS setup will ask for your name and credit card info and you won't even have to worry about spending your money. It is all taken care of for you...the new Apple UI guidelines are filed under: milk 'em.

Life is good

RBMaraman

Apr 4, 2003, 08:01 PM

If this is true, and Panther is like nothing I have ever seen (and totally amazing), then I will have no problem shelling out my $129 (actually, it'll just be $69 since I'm a student :D).

Simon Liquid

Apr 4, 2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by RBMaraman
If this is true, and Panther is like nothing I have ever seen (and totally amazing), then I will have no problem shelling out my $129 (actually, it'll just be $69 since I'm a student :D).

At University of Iowa, where I went last fall, they had a deal that let students get Jaguar for under $20. Of course, I had to wait an extra month and a half because they couldn't keep it in stock but, when you're a poor student, money is worth more than time.

Doctor Q

Apr 4, 2003, 08:10 PM

The new operating system will have Amazon's one-click technology built right in, so shopping becomes part of the OSI thought Amazon claimed to have exclusive rights to one-click ordering and was taking legal action against companies who dared let you click to order something. Maybe Apple licensed it. Or maybe Amazon came to their senses.

jholzner

Apr 5, 2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Doctor Q
I thought Amazon claimed to have exclusive rights to one-click ordering and was taking legal action against companies who dared let you click to order something. Maybe Apple licensed it. Or maybe Amazon came to their senses.

Apple did license it from Amazon.com several years ago...when they added it to their online store...so it's all legal on Apple's part. You can read about it here: http://www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/4322.html

MacsRgr8

Apr 5, 2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by etoiles
"The new operating system will have Amazon's one-click technology built right in, so shopping becomes part of the OS"

"As in years past, Apple is working hard on making the new OS work for the user rather than the user doing the work"

Yeah, the OS gets to spend the money, not you.... kinda like a girlfriend :D
But seriously, why does shopping have to be part of the OS? Won't people get scared when they hear this? "Oh, oh... I clicked on something... now it says: shipping to you in 10 days...". "I thought I clicked on a BMW demo-movie, oops"

cubist

Apr 5, 2003, 04:00 PM

Many of us were hoping for some passing similarity to Mac OS 9.:(

Tommy!

Apr 5, 2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Yeah, the OS gets to spend the money, not you.... kinda like a girlfriend :D
But seriously, why does shopping have to be part of the OS? Won't people get scared when they hear this? "Oh, oh... I clicked on something... now it says: shipping to you in 10 days...". "I thought I clicked on a BMW demo-movie, oops"

i agree completely. the whole built-in amazon-only thing sounds a bit microsoft-ish as well. perhaps it will be a new sherlock feature?

etoiles

Apr 5, 2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Yeah, the OS gets to spend the money, not you.... kinda like a girlfriend :D
But seriously, why does shopping have to be part of the OS? Won't people get scared when they hear this? "Oh, oh... I clicked on something... now it says: shipping to you in 10 days...". "I thought I clicked on a BMW demo-movie, oops"

LOL, I'll be checking my email for ship_confirm@bmw.com messages...:D

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by etoiles
LOL, I'll be checking my email for ship_confirm@bmw.com messages...:D

Don't worry, BMW does door to door delivery. And I mean delivery. Chauffeur, key, and everything. The moment you click on that demo, your doorbell will ring. Me, I'd prefer a segway.

Doctor Q

Apr 5, 2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by gopher
Don't worry, BMW does door to door delivery. And I mean delivery. Chauffeur, key, and everything. The moment you click on that demo, your doorbell will ring. Me, I'd prefer a segway. Sorry, there's only one click, so you can only order, not (1) decide what you want and then (2) order, because that would be at least two clicks. Luckily, Panther will know what form of transportation is best for you.

FattyMembrane

Apr 5, 2003, 06:44 PM

looprumors makes up information. don't work yourselves up just yet. riddle me this: what would one-click integration do in the os? the only thing for which one-click is used is to buy things, which you do through some other application (browser, iphoto, etc.). there will not be random ads poping up all over the place letting you click them and magically sending you things, that is what microsoft does and this article said that panther will not be like anything microsoft does. it's a bunch of crap.

dricci

Apr 5, 2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by cubist
Many of us were hoping for some passing similarity to Mac OS 9.:(

I don't think the article mentioned anything about random crashing and manual memory allocation. ;)

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by RBMaraman
If this is true, and Panther is like nothing I have ever seen (and totally amazing), then I will have no problem shelling out my $129 (actually, it'll just be $69 since I'm a student :D).
apple has already said 10.3 will be free, 20 dollars if you have to have it shipped to you. every other release will cost money ie: 10,10.2,10.4.

iJon

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by iJon
apple has already said 10.3 will be free, 20 dollars if you have to have it shipped to you. every other release will cost money ie: 10,10.2,10.4.

iJon
Hey now, don't start giving us false hope. Apple hasn't said anything of the sort. If they have, I'll eat my hat. Prove it!

vniow

Apr 5, 2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by iJon
apple has already said 10.3 will be free, 20 dollars if you have to have it shipped to you. every other release will cost money ie: 10,10.2,10.4.

iJon

Source pleeze?

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 08:47 PM

This was mentioned during one of the MacWorld expos. I believe that it was MacWorld NY last July and spoken by Fred Anderson, the CFO.

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 08:53 PM

it was a video from apple i watched. i watch all those videos from apple becaus of my job. ill try to dig up some actual proof i can show because i know some of you probably dont believe me. things could change from when i watched that but i am more than positive this will be free just like 10.1

iJon

Billicus

Apr 5, 2003, 09:07 PM

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 09:08 PM

ok i asked my co worker, it was an interview with phil. he explained in detail that it would be every other release. although this can change from when the video was released. i dont feel like arguing with anyone, we will all find out at wwdc. but my point still stands that it will be free from what iver listened too.

iJon

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by iJon
it was a video from apple i watched. i watch all those videos from apple becaus of my job. ill try to dig up some actual proof i can show because i know some of you probably dont believe me. things could change from when i watched that but i am more than positive this will be free just like 10.1

iJon
Well I doubt something they said 2 years ago is going to be remembered by marketing when they release it this fall. Conditions have changed since then. Since then .Mac was released. Since then iLife was released. Face it, the only way Apple is able to stay on top is high margins. Apple is not going to give up an opportunity for profit so easily. If you can actually dig up that video and show to us at which minute it is said, I'd like to see it.

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Billicus
Interesting... Well, you would know then wouldn't you.:D Nice to hear I can save money and upgrade my computer.:D
actually i think it was a video anyone could watch, nothing special. i dont know where i would find the video though, i dont really fill like finding it either.

iJon

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by iJon
actually i think it was a video anyone could watch, nothing special. i dont know where i would find the video though, i dont really fill like finding it either.

iJon
iJon, and if you are wrong, are you willing to pay my $130? Because you should be willing to find that video unless you want to pay each of us $130 for having to pay more than you said it would cost. Nobody tells me something is free and gets away with it, without giving me proof that it is free.

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 09:16 PM

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by bousozoku
Why don't you go looking for the proof yourself?

Most of you whine about the price whether it's $20 or $129.

Life isn't free, get over it.
I know life isn't free, but I quote iJon Here:

Originally posted by RBMaraman
If this is true, and Panther is like nothing I have ever seen (and totally amazing), then I will have no problem shelling out my $129 (actually, it'll just be $69 since I'm a student ).
iJon
apple has already said 10.3 will be free (emphasis added), 20 dollars if you have to have it shipped to you. every other release will cost money ie: 10,10.2,10.4.

You don't go about telling someone something is free without proof.

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by gopher
I know life isn't free, but I quote iJon Here:

You don't go about telling someone something is free without proof.

I said it before he did...over and over, but none of you paid attention when the information was fresh, let alone more than six months later.

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by bousozoku
I said it before he did...over and over, but none of you paid attention when the information was fresh, let alone more than six months later.
Fresh or not, we know 10.1 was supposed to be free, and then they turned around and wanted to charge us $20, though those lucky enough to be near an Apple authorized dealer were still able to get 10.1 free. The $20 10.1 update though had a bonus 9.2.1 full install disk and Developer Tools which the free 10.1 update didn't have. I am still saying that 10.3 had nothing to do with the announcement that 10.1 was free unless someone can give me incontrovertible proof that 10.3 is free or $20, I am sticking to my guns and saying it is $129. Regardless of what you guys say. I'd rather err on the side of caution than the side of ignorance.

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by gopher
Fresh or not, we know 10.1 was supposed to be free, and then they turned around and wanted to charge us $20, though those lucky enough to be near an Apple authorized dealer were still able to get 10.1 free. The $20 10.1 update though had a bonus 9.2.1 full install disk and Developer Tools which the free 10.1 update didn't have. I am still saying that 10.3 had nothing to do with the announcement that 10.1 was free unless someone can give me incontrovertible proof that 10.3 is free or $20, I am sticking to my guns and saying it is $129. Regardless of what you guys say. I'd rather err on the side of caution than the side of ignorance.

10.1 was as free as Apple can do, which is $20. They didn't charge a bloody thing for the programmers, designers, and documentalists working on it. They did charge for duplication, packaging, and shipping.

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by gopher
iJon, and if you are wrong, are you willing to pay my $130? Because you should be willing to find that video unless you want to pay each of us $130 for having to pay more than you said it would cost. Nobody tells me something is free and gets away with it, without giving me proof that it is free.
you know what gopher, i could care less what you think. believe me or not, i dont care. this is a rumor site, this whole site is based on things with no proof. you stick your guns to whatever you want.

iJon

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 09:36 PM

Jon, it's interesting to me that people are more willing to believe pure fantasy than something from reality.

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by iJon
you know what gopher, i could care less what you think. believe me or not, i dont care. this is a rumor site, this whole site is based on things with no proof. you stick your guns to whatever you want.

iJon
Right, but what I'm saying is this, people come to this site and read the rumors saying something "will" happen, vs. something "might" happen, and when it does not happen get mightily disappointed. At least if you are willing to admit Apple might charge full price, I'll be satisfied. We get enough FUD spreaders on Maccentral boards and elsewhere who quote the rumor sites thinking there is some authority here. There is none. At least let's admit that. Apple never promised that 10.3 would be free or $20. If they did, I'd like to see where they did it.

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 09:39 PM

so what if it someone is wrong, if i am you go get your wallet, its not like the stock market and you just lost your life savings, its an OS! buy it or dont.if we were face to face right now i would bet you its free, cant really do that online though

iJon

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by iJon
so what if it someone is wrong, if i am you go get your wallet, its not like the stock market and you just lost your life savings, its an OS! buy it or dont.if we were face to face right now i would bet you its free, cant really do that online though

iJon
Ah but we are face to face, I could ask the moderator for your IP. And furthermore, I know some people who would lose their life's savings to $129. They could be reading this very thread.

iJon

Apr 5, 2003, 09:53 PM

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by gopher
Ah but we are face to face, I could ask the moderator for your IP. And furthermore, I know some people who would lose their life's savings to $129. They could be reading this very thread.

You've been hand-coding too much HTML with BBEdit. No one is face-to-face here.

If people are stupid enough to believe everything they read on a rumour site, I have a bridge to sell them.

By the way, you can have my IP address, but the next time I dial up, it'll be different. :D

gopher

Apr 5, 2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by bousozoku
You've been hand-coding too much HTML with BBEdit. No one is face-to-face here.

If people are stupid enough to believe everything they read on a rumour site, I have a bridge to sell them.

By the way, you can have my IP address, but the next time I dial up, it'll be different. :D
If I knew of software that didn't modify my HTML code without my asking it to, I'd use something else. BTW I did just purchase an upgrade to Adobe GoLive 4.0 of version 6.0. I'm testing it over the next several weeks. Though it seems again it wants to force ISO-8859 on me.

bousozoku

Apr 5, 2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by gopher
If I knew of software that didn't modify my HTML code without my asking it to, I'd use something else. BTW I did just purchase an upgrade to Adobe GoLive 4.0 of version 6.0. I'm testing it over the next several weeks. Though it seems again it wants to force ISO-8859 on me.

I've been using it since version 4 and I'm currently using version 6. It's quite nice. If I remember correctly, you can adjust the character set in the preferences. It's just that the ASCII character set is okay for most Americans.

Of course, there are quick-and-dirty automation pieces which are great for creative types and somewhat bloated. You can create your own automation and add it to GoLive, however.

NavyIntel007

Apr 5, 2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by cubist
Many of us were hoping for some passing similarity to Mac OS 9.:(

If the OS was still like OS 9, I'd still have a PC.

NavyIntel007

Apr 5, 2003, 10:35 PM

Dude, people need to stop crying about paying for software. Apple gets paid for software, they make money, stock goes up, Apple lives to fight another day. That's the point. It's a business for god's sake, that's the point. You want to use something free, go download YDL. But don't complain to us when you can't get any software for it. You bought the BMW of computers.

When you buy a BMW, you pay for premium gas. That's it. No crying about it, it's the price you pay for luxury. If you didn't want to pay for premium, you could buy a Ford.

What really ticks me off is that everyone will complain about how much Macs cost and the same people will complain when they have to pay for updates. Well guess what people, Mac prices are dropping. They're probably going to have to make money somewhere else. Where's it going to come from? SOFTWARE!!!

If you don't like it, pay for windows and have a nice crash filled, worm infested, privacy invaded day.

gopher

Apr 6, 2003, 07:17 AM

Navy I agree with you, though you spell worm with an 'r'. And I don't know where iJon comes up with his idea that 10.3 is going to be free or $20, other than extrapolation from what happened with 10.1. But past events are no guarantee of future returns as the stock broker usually tells you.

Dont Hurt Me

Apr 6, 2003, 09:41 AM

i expect the next OS to be about 129 bucks, give or take this and that. OSX has cost at every major increase and will most likely continue this. It takes a lot of programmers a lot of time to do all this stuff and we have to pay for it somehow. maybe it will be big but i see a newer polished jag that will be able to run 64 bit OS and applications designed for it.

maradong

Apr 6, 2003, 10:25 AM

Would be great if 10.3 would be free, but actually i don t believe it.
All I expect is an oportunity for all the mac systems out there to be updated. That s what is I think the most important, as many people are still using the os 9.

crackpip

Apr 6, 2003, 11:20 AM

I also remember Phil Schiller talking about the pay schedule. It was last summer because of the flap around Jaguar costing $129. He said they were trying to stick to the schedule of paid upgrades about every 18 months, and a free ($20) upgrade in between.

I can't find the video, which isn't surprising. Who the hell would keep a quicktime video of Phil Schiller (or anyone for that matter) talking about Jaguar?

Anyway, I guess we'll find out in a couple of months.

crackpip

G4scott

Apr 6, 2003, 12:17 PM

OK, stop bitchin about the prices here. we got 10.0.x-10.1.x for free. I picked up the 10.1 update at CompUSA, no charge. Some paid $20 for shipping, but that won't break you, will it?

10.2 was a major update, and included many new features. Besides every update from 10.0.0 up to then was free. Apple has to charge something for Mac OS X or else they won't make any money.

From what Apple has said (and gopher, they did say this, and we're not just making this up) 10.3 will be free. Of course, this wasn't an official press release, so they could change that any time.

Besides, it's the best OS availble, and for only $129, it beats the pants out of a $200 copy of windoze that doesn't do half as much...

jholzner

Apr 6, 2003, 02:16 PM

10.3 WILL be a paid update/upgrade. The ONLY reason 10.1 was free was because 10.0 sucked pretty bad. It wasn't the start of a trend...I'm pretty sure will will be charged for all major updates from now on. I don't have any insider info but it just makes sense.

Kwyjibo

Apr 6, 2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by gopher
iJon, and if you are wrong, are you willing to pay my $130? Because you should be willing to find that video unless you want to pay each of us $130 for having to pay more than you said it would cost. Nobody tells me something is free and gets away with it, without giving me proof that it is free.

ok. ijon doesn't have a reason to lie. And even if apple changed their mind at the last minute it would not matter. I don't want apple to charge for the upgrade and i hope ijon is right but that doens't mean hes liable in apples ultimate decision to charge for a point relelase. I think your making a miscorrelation and honestly i would relax a little.

gopher

Apr 6, 2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
ok. ijon doesn't have a reason to lie. And even if apple changed their mind at the last minute it would not matter. I don't want apple to charge for the upgrade and i hope ijon is right but that doens't mean hes liable in apples ultimate decision to charge for a point relelase. I think your making a miscorrelation and honestly i would relax a little.
Hey my only qualm is that he isn't willing to back up his assertion when he is so positive about it being true. His claim that this is true because of something that happened in the past is intriguing, but then to not go and show us his evidence, is to make the validity of his statement in question. If he isn't willing to back up his assertion, that either makes him out to be a person who is mistaken, or on purposely deceiving me. If there was some solid evidence that 10.3 was said to be free or close to free, I'd let go of it. Otherwise I stand by my assertion there is no reason to believe it will be less than $129.

Rower_CPU

Apr 6, 2003, 07:26 PM

I think that it's foolish for anyone to try to predict Apple's business model in the first place. God knows they're famous for doing the "wrong thing". ;)

I'm leaning more towards the 18 month pay cycle argument, but that's just me.

How about we all just be patient and see what happens. :)

cubist

Apr 6, 2003, 07:44 PM

Frankly, they can charge $149 for it for all I care. It comes with iTunes and iPhoto, and Windoze comes with BSOD.

When I said "some of us were hoping to have a passing resemblance to Mac OS 9", I meant in terms of the care and attention given to user-interface considerations. A lot of Aqua's user-interface details seem completely arbitrary and weird. Sure, some are clever and good, like the zoom button.

But for Mac OS X to be "unlike anything else out there" is not necessarily a good thing.

When we argue about pinstripes-vs.-brushed metal, this argument has an underlying badness to it: Why are those the choices? Why does that creaky clone of System 7, Windows, have more user-configurability than Mac OS X? What do you mean, I can't select a different system font? I can't select anything other than "blue or gray" button highlights?

Anyone remember Workplace Shell under OS/2? To change the font of something - anything - you opened a font palette, dragged the font you wanted and dropped it on that thing. You could also drag and drop colors.

Macintosh used to be a paragon of human-factors design. Now it looks like a hodgepodge of trendy widgets. Brushed metal, feh! As if that made any difference at all. :(

iJon

Apr 6, 2003, 08:35 PM

good idea rower, im stopping this argument. gopher here keeps talking about hard evidence and stuff like we are on law and order or something. you think what you wanna think and ill think what i wanna think. 129 isnt a big deal, we will end up paying it or not.

iJon

bousozoku

Apr 6, 2003, 10:24 PM

cubist:

I understand now. Mac OS X looks as though it was designed by a committee, which it was. If Xerox PARC was still there, maybe they would have had more inspiration from which to draw. ;)

The brushed metal thing is so wrong. The close|minimise|maximise boxes in colour don't make sense to those who have no automotive frame of reference.

Workplace shell was good, though not perfect, but I think it represented where Apple should/would have gone had Steve Jobs stayed.