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mischief
Apr 4, 2003, 08:06 PM
The Ape often said to be Human's closest cousin is the Bonobo pygmy Chimp. There's a number of similarities other than the biochemical ones including more erect posture, a more vertical facial structure, smaller ears and.... foreward-rotated female genitals.

Beyond these physical features the Bonobo has another peculiarity in common with Humans: Non-reproductive sex.

But of course the Bonobo have no cultural Taboos, their sexuality is expressed briefly but continually in many social interactions with an amazing array of similar behaviours including human-style kissing, "ass-patting", a full Kama Sutra of sexual positions, bisexuality and all rather casually.

Remarkably the Bonobo doesn't express this behaviour in an agressive and frantic manner but rather in a casual and tender way.

http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html

http://www.blockbonobofoundation.org/

http://www.blockbonobofoundation.org/blinks.htm

Rower_CPU
Apr 4, 2003, 08:10 PM
Check out my sig'...I've been supporting the Bonobo way for a week or two now. :D

WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER! LIBERATE YOUR INNER BONOBO

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 08:15 PM
I'm going to quote Fight Club here for this one...

"Just let go!" :D

rainman::|:|
Apr 4, 2003, 08:27 PM
well we've been masturbating for peace (http://www.masturbateforpeace.com) for a while now, why not get someone else invoved in your peace efforts :)

do a good deed and a dirty deed all at once...

btw, those monkeys are sluts :P

pnw

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 08:33 PM
I still find it amazing how a less evolved species can be so open and confident in their sexuality...

while an advanced species...such as ours...suffers so horrifically... :(

mischief
Apr 4, 2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I still find it amazing how a less evolved species can be so open and confident in their sexuality...

while an advanced species...such as ours...suffers so horrifically... :(

We seem to "overthink" everything. There's a lot of recent Psych work that's basically determined that most people base their identity on hating themselves. That's really damn sad. It's not helped at all by the fact that most of the world's dominant societies wantr you to be ashamed of EVERYTHING you do. Screw that (pun certainly intended)!

D0ct0rteeth
Apr 4, 2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I still find it amazing how a less evolved species can be so open and confident in their sexuality...

while an advanced species...such as ours...suffers so horrifically... :(

Other than religion :) there are many reasons why people humans have developed a repressed and private sexual life. Check out a book by Paul Elrich called Human Natures, I read it last semester for grad school and it rocks.

Basically dominant males of various species would attack both the "promiscuous" males and females if they were mating, as it reduced his chance of passing on his genes into the gene pool.. dominant males seek to ensure only they can produce offspring and there is tons more info on this.

Also related is why women tend to menstrate together at the same time and whymales are so territorial.

Check it out.

-Doc

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by mischief
We seem to "overthink" everything. There's a lot of recent Psych work that's basically determined that most people base their identity on hating themselves. That's really damn sad.

How true that is. Our society is filled with poor souls who have no identity without projecting their true feeling on each other.

Nipsy
Apr 4, 2003, 08:40 PM
First look at the image:
http://www.blockbonobofoundation.org/****2.gif

Now read the caption:
Above: Bonobos in the Wild,
Swinging through the Trees &
With Each Other.

Liberal use of Swinging I'd say...

The profanity filter has prevented the inclusion of this image's URL

Rower_CPU
Apr 4, 2003, 08:40 PM
I think a lot of the repression in the US stems from our Puritanical forefathers. After all, they left Europe because they felt the religions there were too "loose" and wanted stricter rules.

I think we saw a major step forward with the sexual revolution in the 60s and are seeing another one now as homosexuality slowly becomes accepted by modern society.

rainman::|:|
Apr 4, 2003, 08:42 PM
yeah sexual repression is a very frustrating thing. society enforces so many inhibitions that normal, healthy individuals come out looking like perverts. go figure :(

i guess i was surprised that menopause is such a taboo topic in so many situations-- i alway saw it as a normal part of a woman's life that should be celebrated, but a male-dominated society has turned it into a curse to be whispered about. kind of like how the female orgasm was 'rediscovered' a hundred years ago-- i don't really mean to keep going feminist here, but you get my idea...

pnw

D0ct0rteeth
Apr 4, 2003, 08:47 PM
Check out a book by Paul Elrich called Human Natures

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0142000531/qid%3D1049424716/sr%3D2-1/ref%3Dsr%5F2%5F1/102-7161144-4007339

-Doc

vniow
Apr 4, 2003, 08:49 PM
Yes....yes...mmmm.....lower....mmmm...wait...no...stop...mmmm...that's it...ooh.....oohh......mmmm....ooooh...no don't stop...yes..yes...ooh...YES..YES YESSSS...OH GOD YESSS!!!

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Yes....yes...mmmm.....lower....mmmm...wait...no...stop...mmmm...that's it...ooh.....oohh......mmmm....ooooh...no don't stop...yes..yes...ooh...YES..YES YESSSS...OH GOD YESSS!!!

brings up an another interesting situation...

although I've been complimented several times...

most men don't know how to "take care" of a woman... ;)

mischief
Apr 4, 2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
brings up an another interesting situation...

although I've been complimented several times...

most men don't know how to "take care" of a woman... ;)

Let's hear you say that with hair in yer teeth. :D ;)

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Let's hear you say that with hair in yer teeth. :D ;)

or better/worse yet...stuck at the back of your throat... :eek: ;)

vniow
Apr 4, 2003, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
most men don't know how to "take care" of a woman... ;)


A lot of women don't either....

Sun Baked
Apr 4, 2003, 08:59 PM
http://www.shounin.com/img/emo/rub_eyes.gif

vniow
Apr 4, 2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
or better/worse yet...stuck at the back of your throat... :eek: ;)


...or at the top of your mouth, you know, where you can almost reach the tip of your tongue...

rainman::|:|
Apr 4, 2003, 09:03 PM
someone should invent a public-hair magnet... or better yet, everyone should just trim :P

pnw

vniow
Apr 4, 2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
someone should invent a public-hair magnet... or better yet, everyone should just trim :P

pnw


I don't know, I've never gone for the shaved type, maybe its just me though, don't mind a trim, but not bare all the way.

steeleclipse
Apr 4, 2003, 09:09 PM
ummm... i never saw THIS side of macrumors :D

rainman::|:|
Apr 4, 2003, 09:12 PM
every once in a while, eye goes raunchy and a piece of history is made :) the poop thread, the Which Hand thread, others too numerous to mention :)

so, in reality, normal people aren't perverts, just eyelikeart :)

i don't like total shave either, but people should always trim. you cut the hair on your head and face, why not??

pnw

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 09:13 PM
I think trimming is the answer to avoid hair doing that gag-thing half an hour after.

It's a pity that many aren't "learned" about the anatomy, and that porno flicks are their only source of education.

God bless a woman who knows what she needs...and the man who can take some lessons. ;)

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 09:16 PM
I should alter my last statement...

God bless anyone who knows what they want...and the partner who can take lessons & constructive criticism... ;)

vniow
Apr 4, 2003, 09:27 PM
Wow, I am loving this site, the one of the lady who started all of this, there's some good stuff in there, you should all check it out (not for those under 18 legally) Dr. Susan Block's Journal of Sex, Art, Politics & Culture (http://www.drsusanblock.com/)

I now worship this woman.

rainman::|:|
Apr 4, 2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I should alter my last statement...

God bless anyone who knows what they want...and the partner who can take lessons & constructive criticism... ;)

amen to that :) you just have to be able to tell someone they're dragging their teeth...

pnw

eyelikeart
Apr 4, 2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
amen to that :) you just have to be able to tell someone they're dragging their teeth...


ouch...yeah...that's an unfortunate position to be placed in...

it's always good when someone won't allow themselves to feel discouraged though...

of course...I'd rather be told I'm not hitting it right than to be appeased into thinking I am... ;)

Stelliform
Apr 4, 2003, 10:59 PM
:) And when you get married and have kids, sometimes you fake it so you can just go to sleep. :eek:

Or you know your wife is faking it but you just want to go to sleep and she just wants to go to sleep...:rolleyes: I imagine it will be different after there are no more small kids in the house..... And if we weren't both so busy.

Mabey the American lifestyle of go go go represses sexuality...

:D

<Sorry to put a down note on the blazing hormones in here. ;)>

teabgs
Apr 4, 2003, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
How true that is. Our society is filled with poor souls who have no identity without projecting their true feeling on each other.
*cough*Shrek*cough*


I feel a need to post in this thread because of my tar.....so, um, let monkey love live long and prosper! ....resistance is futile

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 12:09 AM
ha ha ha!! :D

very nice teabgs...your 'tar fits in perfectly here... ;)

projection is an evil thing...so many people project their sexual insecurities into hate on others... :(

D0ct0rteeth
Apr 5, 2003, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
amen to that :) you just have to be able to tell someone they're dragging their teeth...

pnw

You dated her too? :)

-Doc

wdlove
Apr 5, 2003, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by vniow
Wow, I am loving this site, the one of the lady who started all of this, there's some good stuff in there, you should all check it out (not for those under 18 legally) Dr. Susan Block's Journal of Sex, Art, Politics & Culture (http://www.drsusanblock.com/)

I now worship this woman.


Link not currently working.

Sounds like the saying from the 60's, "Make love and not war." There is no greater sex than between a loving committed couple! ;)

mischief
Apr 5, 2003, 01:44 PM
I must thank T-Dawg for the inspiration. The forums needed some brevity and it was right in front of me the whole time.:p

Though I can concur with wdlove from personal experience in regards to quality I think a society-wide lack of personal intimacy. Most people are so caught up in being innoffensive that even basic contact of hands or hugging a friend hello are nonexistant. Folks are forced to be Islands to themselves.

I think short of the complete Bonobo model it'd be good to just get back to being comfortable in our own skins.

BTW: They're Apes not Monkeys. Winky's a Monkey.;) :D

chrisfx811
Apr 5, 2003, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I think a lot of the repression in the US stems from our Puritanical forefathers. After all, they left Europe because they felt the religions there were too "loose" and wanted stricter rules.

I think we saw a major step forward with the sexual revolution in the 60s and are seeing another one now as homosexuality slowly becomes accepted by modern society.
a step forward for what?

jelloshotsrule
Apr 5, 2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
amen to that :) you just have to be able to tell someone they're dragging their teeth...


or to be able to tell them they're not dragging their teeth enough......

mischief
Apr 5, 2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by chrisfx811
a step forward for what?

A step foreward in separating old paradigms of religious dogma from common sense neccesities like birth-control and desease prevention.

It is also a step foreward in realizing that it's okay to (for example) stroke someone's cheek in sympathy when they cry or to hold hands in public or a myriad other things that Americans in particular are too stodgy to do.

chrisfx811
Apr 5, 2003, 03:05 PM
i'm curios about the acceptance of homosexuality part?

Rower_CPU
Apr 5, 2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by chrisfx811
i'm curios about the acceptance of homosexuality part?

This thread is about repressed sexuality. Any kind of sexuality.

The world is a better place when all people can be accepted for who they are and not be judged by antiquated, shortsighted dogma.

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
The world is a better place when all people can be accepted for who they are and not be judged by antiquated, shortsighted dogma.

It's even better when we can just let go of our fears for what we may truly be...

I'm quite sure everyone here has faced the question of their own sexuality...whether they want to admit it or not. Most who cannot, are afraid they may not uphold what society deems "normal," therefore they bash and make fun of.

If we can teach the next generation to accept, rather than reject...

rainman::|:|
Apr 5, 2003, 04:10 PM
homosexuality needs to be addressed as the third and last great movement of civil rights. I don't really care about being accepted as much as i care about things like legal protection and rights for gays and lesbians. If my partner were hit by a car, and went into a coma, i'd not be allowed any say in his medical treatment; indeed I could be banned from even entering the hospital room... If he died, i would have no legal rights to many of the things that we own together. Unfortunately, because we seem to support civil rights ONLY when majority thinks it's time, homosexuality needs to be accepted before we can get the rights we deserve.

i wish i could just say live and let live... after all, i fully support the right of people to disagree with homosexuality (tho i don't understand it at all)... but i also deserve rights, and when they're not conflicting, what's the problem? my right to get married to my partner does not infringe on anyone else's rights...

sorry about soapboxing, i just don't think a lot of people realize how serious this problem is and how many people's lives it impacts... if you're accepting of homosexuality, great, why not write your congresspeople and show support for gay rights? we're depending on YOU :)

pnw

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
if you're accepting of homosexuality, great, why not write your congresspeople and show support for gay rights? we're depending on YOU :)

I couldn't agree with u more. I think we're just a matter of time away before these basic rights are passed onto everyone, not just traditionalist views. I do feel, however, that it's something most people will either accept or reject; therefore, it's often set aside in both cases.

I'm guilty of it also. I'm heterosexual, but feel no threat to homosexuality. While I don't shunt it, I don't actively support it either. I suppose it's one of those things where I don't think anything of it, so don't think to move on it...make any sense?

rainman::|:|
Apr 5, 2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I couldn't agree with u more. I think we're just a matter of time away before these basic rights are passed onto everyone, not just traditionalist views. I do feel, however, that it's something most people will either accept or reject; therefore, it's often set aside in both cases.

I'm guilty of it also. I'm heterosexual, but feel no threat to homosexuality. While I don't shunt it, I don't actively support it either. I suppose it's one of those things where I don't think anything of it, so don't think to move on it...make any sense?

i do understand... we're trying to get more heterosexual people involved in the struggle, because obviously we just cannot cut it, being only 10% of the population. from our point of view, straight people need to support us. But then, from my point of view, i can also see why it's overlooked-- you can't fight for all the causes all of the time, right?

it's a hard thing that will take some time to finish. but it never hurts to correct someone using a gay slur, or look at a candidate's gay rights beliefs, etc etc... all of these little things add up :) anything that brings me even one second closer to being able to marry the love of my life is great in my eyes :)

pnw

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
But then, from my point of view, i can also see why it's overlooked-- you can't fight for all the causes all of the time, right?

It's not just overllooking due to attention being paid to everything else though. I know I, personally, ignore ignorant *******s when I'm around them. While I speak my mind in most cases, I also feel there are plenty of closed-minded individuals in this world and that it's a complete waste of time to even bother with them. :(

wdlove
Apr 5, 2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I couldn't agree with u more. I think we're just a matter of time away before these basic rights are passed onto everyone, not just traditionalist views. I do feel, however, that it's something most people will either accept or reject; therefore, it's often set aside in both cases.

I'm guilty of it also. I'm heterosexual, but feel no threat to homosexuality. While I don't shunt it, I don't actively support it either. I suppose it's one of those things where I don't think anything of it, so don't think to move on it...make any sense?

Praying for them is needed. Our church has a ministry dedicated to homsexuals so that they can receive counseling and support!

Rower_CPU
Apr 5, 2003, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
Praying for them is needed. Our church has a ministry dedicated to homsexuals so that they can receive counseling and support!

What type of support?

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't preaching.

rainman::|:|
Apr 5, 2003, 05:37 PM
praying can be a good thing-- praying that gays and lesbians will soon have equal rights, praying that we will grow up as healthy individuals in a world that shuns us. praying that we can learn to love ourselves, internalized homophobia kills a LOT more gay people than AIDS does...

eye, i totally agree... some people will never change... and it just breaks my heart to see people pass bigotry on to their children, it only prolongs things. i hope as today's youth turn into tomorrow's world leaders, we might be able to see past issues like this.

i hope i didn't hijack another thread with homosexuality... i know how annoying that is... sometimes i just have to vent :)

pnw

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 05:52 PM
I think everything ties into each other with topics such as these. Just as long as we keep the BIG picture in mind and not focus too much on little bits & pieces. ;)

I'm pretty much convinced the generation to follow us is going to be more open to other ways of life, but it's going to be up to us now to make sure minds are broad.

I think we can learn a lot if we just allow ourselves. ;)

mischief
Apr 5, 2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel


i hope i didn't hijack another thread with homosexuality... i know how annoying that is... sometimes i just have to vent :)

pnw

No worries...

The thread was about Humanity's cultural suppression of our most basic sensuality and sexuality. Your rant falls squarely in the center of that group of issues.

wdlove: I pray that you shall have an open mind. Have you ever been out to a Gay nightclub? There's no safer place on earth to be found in public.

wdlove
Apr 5, 2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
What type of support?

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't preaching.

Giving them information as found in the Bible, but also to support them in their decison. No one can force anyone to do anything. Need to love them for who they are. Only God can really change them.

Preaching comes from the pulpit.

I have never been to a homesexual nightclub. I agree that being around homosexuals is just as safe to be with heterosexuals. There are extremes in both camps as far as the fear of danger.

Repressing sexuality is what produces problems of anxiety and anger!

mischief
Apr 5, 2003, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
Giving them information as found in the Bible, but also to support them in their decison. No one can force anyone to do anything. Need to love them for who they are. Only God can really change them.

Preaching comes from the pulpit.

I have never been to a homesexual nightclub. I agree that being around homosexuals is just as safe to be with heterosexuals. There are extremes in both camps as far as the fear of danger.

Repressing sexuality is what produces problems of anxiety and anger!

Actually what I was getting at is that it's safer in the company of homosexuals simply because they're sick of being picked on so where they gather becomes a very bad place to be a beligerant idiot.

You really should go out and spend some time with them before deciding if the Biblical interpretation is accurate to their current behaviour.

I'm glad to see you tolerant. Is there any chance of you really investigating whether it's Lust or love? I've met both kinds of Gays/Lesbians and I truly respect those who love. They are out there.... just look.;)

JesseJames
Apr 5, 2003, 08:04 PM
So the key to world peace is a massive orgy? Maybe the Romans were onto something. Hmmm.

wdlove
Apr 5, 2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Actually what I was getting at is that it's safer in the company of homosexuals simply because they're sick of being picked on so where they gather becomes a very bad place to be a beligerant idiot.

You really should go out and spend some time with them before deciding if the Biblical interpretation is accurate to their current behaviour.

I'm glad to see you tolerant. Is there any chance of you really investigating whether it's Lust or love? I've met both kinds of Gays/Lesbians and I truly respect those who love. They are out there.... just look.;)

I do agree that they trully love each other and have a loving commited relationship.

It's good that they have a safe place to go for relaxation.

In the end it's Jesus Christ that they will have to answer. It is my duty to love and pray for them.

mischief
Apr 5, 2003, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by JesseJames
So the key to world peace is a massive orgy? Maybe the Romans were onto something. Hmmm.

Not precisely. It's more like massively "getting over it."

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Not precisely. It's more like massively "getting over it."

exactly! :D

Why the hell is it so hard to let go of the b.s. and just "be?"

this is why I quoted Fight Club in the very begining of this thread... ;)

vniow
Apr 5, 2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart

I'm quite sure everyone here has faced the question of their own sexuality...whether they want to admit it or not.


I'd have to say I've explored mine a bit (even though I haven't had it in awhile..http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202) because when I was in my early teens (12-13ish) I was pretty rabidly homophobic and lookie here, I turned out to be gay, suprise, suprise...

Now I think I may be bi, I've been checking out guys more than I ever have before, but that pen*s is still a big turnoff...http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Now I think I may be bi, I've been checking out guys more than I ever have before, but that pen*s is still a big turnoff...http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

he he...yeh...well don't fight it whatever u are feeling...

I mean...I can look at another male and determine if he's a good looking person from my perspective...but it doesn't mean I wanna bone him...

I'm way too turned on by the softness & feel of a woman... ;)

vniow
Apr 5, 2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I'm way too turned on by the softness & feel of a woman... ;)


You've never met a bull-dyke have you.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478

And yeah, I guess if I find a man irresistable I probably won't ingore or supress my feelings, that would just lead to misery and lack of love and I definately don't want to go down that route..

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by vniow
You've never met a bull-dyke have you.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478


on the contrary yes...we get along quite well... ;)

it's actually more fun to be around a bull dyke more than just a "lesbian"...all of those male jokes we find so amusing...so do they... ;)

vniow
Apr 5, 2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
it's actually more fun to be around a bull dyke more than just a "lesbian"...all of those male jokes we find so amusing...so do they... ;)


Ha, wierd, I consider myself much more 'fem' than 'butch' but I'm also an active participant in 'poop threads' and such...http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

eyelikeart
Apr 5, 2003, 09:17 PM
ha ha ha...I've noticed that...

u make quite a few references to the poop...even though u try to pass it off as gross... ;)

I give u props...he he he... :D

vniow
Apr 5, 2003, 09:25 PM
Vive la Poop thread!

I mean...eewwww..that's gross!!

NavyIntel007
Apr 5, 2003, 11:51 PM
So are we like saying that Saddam, the whole Nazi party and Terrorist organizations are just a bunch of men who have repressed sexuality...

After all... Hitler was supposedly gay.

scem0
Apr 5, 2003, 11:54 PM
are you serious? I want proof!
;)

I think we need a word for what V is.... Lespoo? :confused: :D

rainman::|:|
Apr 6, 2003, 01:29 PM
yeah there's some pretty good evidence that adolph was gay... i really wish left the historians would have left that one alone for another 50 years or so, but someone had to go and write a book about it (the pink swastica, i believe)... i just hate to give bigots more evidence of how gays are dangerous to humanity... :rolleyes:

a lot of really great people (leonardo da vinci, elanor roosevelt, richard lionheart, abraham lincoln) were gay... and a lot of really great people were straight (alfred nobel, picasso, george washington, edgar allen poe)... that's the wonderful thing about diversity :) every group has their nutcases... hitler may have been gay, but pat buchanan is straight :)

pnw

wdlove
Apr 6, 2003, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by vniow
You've never met a bull-dyke have you.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478

And yeah, I guess if I find a man irresistable I probably won't ingore or supress my feelings, that would just lead to misery and lack of love and I definately don't want to go down that route..

I'm glad to hear that you are experimenting and following your feelings. vinow, I'm very sure that you will find that person that is your soul mate. You are still at a young age when alot are exploring their sexuality. I'm so proud of you vinow! ;)

NavyIntel007
Apr 6, 2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
yeah there's some pretty good evidence that adolph was gay... i really wish left the historians would have left that one alone for another 50 years or so, but someone had to go and write a book about it (the pink swastica, i believe)... i just hate to give bigots more evidence of how gays are dangerous to humanity... :rolleyes:

a lot of really great people (leonardo da vinci, elanor roosevelt, richard lionheart, abraham lincoln) were gay... and a lot of really great people were straight (alfred nobel, picasso, george washington, edgar allen poe)... that's the wonderful thing about diversity :) every group has their nutcases... hitler may have been gay, but pat buchanan is straight :)

pnw

I wasn't in anyway trying to imply that gays are dangerous. I was trying to state that Adolf Hitler's repressed sexuality might have had alot to do with what he did. Quite possibly none of these terrorists are gay... probably all straight. But I mean, you could go your whole life in a Muslim country and never see a woman in a bikini... that eventually has to take it's toll.

eyelikeart
Apr 6, 2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
I wasn't in anyway trying to imply that gays are dangerous. I was trying to state that Adolf Hitler's repressed sexuality might have had alot to do with what he did.

I don't...I think he was literally insane. It's weird how insanity can affect someone, like Edgar Allen Poe, into writing masterpieces...while another to create such destruction... :(

rainman::|:|
Apr 6, 2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
I wasn't in anyway trying to imply that gays are dangerous. I was trying to state that Adolf Hitler's repressed sexuality might have had alot to do with what he did. Quite possibly none of these terrorists are gay... probably all straight. But I mean, you could go your whole life in a Muslim country and never see a woman in a bikini... that eventually has to take it's toll.

no no i didn't mean to infer this, sorry... i just meant there are a lot of impressionable people out there, and i think this book/theory comes at a very bad time... i think you guys are all pretty enlightened on the subject :)

pnw

QCassidy352
Apr 6, 2003, 09:37 PM
"We seem to 'overthink' everything. There's a lot of recent Psych work that's basically determined that most people base their identity on hating themselves. That's really damn sad."

I'm a psych major, and I'm not sure that is anything more than a debatable theory at best, and pure conjecture at worst...

Bonobos are also widely misunderstood. It's not so simple as that they use sex to all live happily... it is true that they are good at displacing aggression with sexuality, but there is still aggression among bonobos. Bonobos are human's closest living relatives (in a virtual tie with chimpanzees), and are probably the second most intelligent form of life on the planet. Their societies are extremely complex, perhaps second only to human societies in the animal kingdom. It's unfair and inaccurate to reduce them to orgy-having swingers, or to explain *all* of their peaceful nature with this sex-displacing-aggression. (I took a course on primates, and studied bonobos in-depth :D )

shadowfax
Apr 6, 2003, 10:44 PM
just as an offhanded remark, i thought it was hilarious to see this topic in the community list with sixty-nine posts to its name. sorry, it made me snicker ;)

teabgs
Apr 6, 2003, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by QCassidy352
\ (I took a course on primates, and studied bonobos in-depth :D )


Got any movies or pics?

Jelloshotsrule is into the monkey love ;)

NavyIntel007
Apr 6, 2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
just as an offhanded remark, i thought it was hilarious to see this topic in the community list with sixty-nine posts to its name. sorry, it made me snicker ;)

Well you spoiled the fun and brought it to 70... now it's 72

eyelikeart
Apr 6, 2003, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
just as an offhanded remark, i thought it was hilarious to see this topic in the community list with sixty-nine posts to its name. sorry, it made me snicker ;)

he he he... :D

glad I'm not the only one on this site who makes jokes about that... ;)

wdlove
Apr 7, 2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I don't...I think he was literally insane. It's weird how insanity can affect someone, like Edgar Allen Poe, into writing masterpieces...while another to create such destruction... :(

It's not just sexually repressed, but that alot of our most creative minds have a psych history. Many were Bipolar. Some also had syphillis.

mischief
Apr 7, 2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by QCassidy352
"We seem to 'overthink' everything. There's a lot of recent Psych work that's basically determined that most people base their identity on hating themselves. That's really damn sad."

I'm a psych major, and I'm not sure that is anything more than a debatable theory at best, and pure conjecture at worst...

Bonobos are also widely misunderstood. It's not so simple as that they use sex to all live happily... it is true that they are good at displacing aggression with sexuality, but there is still aggression among bonobos. Bonobos are human's closest living relatives (in a virtual tie with chimpanzees), and are probably the second most intelligent form of life on the planet. Their societies are extremely complex, perhaps second only to human societies in the animal kingdom. It's unfair and inaccurate to reduce them to orgy-having swingers, or to explain *all* of their peaceful nature with this sex-displacing-aggression. (I took a course on primates, and studied bonobos in-depth :D )

I admit I was sensationalizing a bit to jumpstart discussion. I never meant to imply that sexual over-indulgence is either the Bonobo's main behaviour nor the answer to all of life's problems. I was making the conjecture that societal suppression of sexual and sensual behaviours makes for higher societal violence and many psychological maladies. It's not all about sex.... it's equally about basic sensual intimacy.

sillymacgirl
Apr 7, 2003, 09:04 PM
I think a lot of the problem is that people think any type of intimacy or touch is something to be kept behind closed doors and/or only between significant others. I wish more people felt comfortable to hug their friends and family or to actually sit NEXT to someone on a sofa to watch a movie...rather then one person at each end. I know I personally feel better when I have contact with others so therefore I believe that society as a whole would be better off if people didn't attempt to keep physical interaction to a minimum.

wdlove
Apr 8, 2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by sillymacgirl
I think a lot of the problem is that people think any type of intimacy or touch is something to be kept behind closed doors and/or only between significant others. I wish more people felt comfortable to hug their friends and family or to actually sit NEXT to someone on a sofa to watch a movie...rather then one person at each end. I know I personally feel better when I have contact with others so therefore I believe that society as a whole would be better off if people didn't attempt to keep physical interaction to a minimum.

Very well said sillymacgirl ;)

I would call it Christian friendship. We tend to hug as a way to greet one another. It's something that I don't think would work with strangers. You are on the correct track, to much Victorian repression.

mischief
Apr 10, 2003, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
Very well said sillymacgirl ;)

I would call it Christian friendship. We tend to hug as a way to greet one another. It's something that I don't think would work with strangers. You are on the correct track, to much Victorian repression.

Nice to see you SMG, Eye was telling me you had a response...;)

wdlove: Nice to see you speaking from a more moderate position than many that use "Christian" as a description of propper conduct. :D

mischief
Apr 11, 2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by vniow

Now I think I may be bi, I've been checking out guys more than I ever have before, but that pen*s is still a big turnoff...http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

Show me your tits when U say that!;)

All I can say on the male protuberance front is that Graffenberg beats the hell out of Clitoral.:D ;) :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:

sillymacgirl
Apr 11, 2003, 07:38 PM
No, it wouldn't work well with strangers. Or at least not with complete strangers. It's one thing to hug someone who you know or who you are even meeting for the first time as a greeting or a goodbye, but even I, as much as I love contact with people, would be completely freaked out if someone on the street, whom I'd never even laid eyes on before, came up to me and just gave me a hug!

LOL Now, to get back to Bonobos, since this is where this thread started, they very likely have a better social climate because having sex just for fun, rather then strictly for reproduction, does reduce stress levels by releasing a larger amount of endorphins. Endorphins in turn, make us 'happy' and happy people are much less aggressive. When you are happy and not feeling aggressive, you don't want to fight, and without fighting, there would be world peace. So yes, maybe, just maybe, we should take a lesson from the Bonobo chimps. :)

eyelikeart
Apr 11, 2003, 07:42 PM
hugs...bah...

they're fine...but sometimes just corny...

mischief
Apr 11, 2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
hugs...bah...

they're fine...but sometimes just corny...

What makes it corny is the shoulders-only "High-school Clique" hug. In which both parties are obviously just meeting protocol.:rolleyes:

eyelikeart
Apr 11, 2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by mischief
What makes it corny is the shoulders-only "High-school Clique" hug. In which both parties are obviously just meeting protocol.:rolleyes:

Well sometimes they feel "forced," in where the other person just comes up and feels compelled to do so...not because they want to embrace u so much as a "goodbye" type of thing.

I prefer the kiss on the cheek routine...with the ladies, of course. I've been known to kiss my buddies on the cheek or head every now & then. :eek:

sillymacgirl
Apr 11, 2003, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
Well sometimes they feel "forced," in where the other person just comes up and feels compelled to do so...not because they want to embrace u so much as a "goodbye" type of thing.

I prefer the kiss on the cheek routine...with the ladies, of course. I've been known to kiss my buddies on the cheek or head every now & then. :eek:

Kissing on the cheek is cool, a lot of people do that...but would you kiss someone on the cheek that you are just meeting for the first time? Or do you not have any physical contact with someone the first time you meet them?

mischief
Apr 11, 2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by sillymacgirl
Kissing on the cheek is cool, a lot of people do that...but would you kiss someone on the cheek that you are just meeting for the first time? Or do you not have any physical contact with someone the first time you meet them?

In the little town I grew up in it's common to "grandfather" hugging in if you're introduced.

If you met Mick Jagger..... Wouldn't you tackle his ass?;)

eyelikeart
Apr 11, 2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by mischief
If you met Mick Jagger..... Wouldn't you tackle his ass?;)

actually I'd pinch his ass just so I could say "I pinched Mick Jagger's ass" :D

sillymacgirl
Apr 11, 2003, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
actually I'd pinch his ass just so I could say "I pinched Mick Jagger's ass" :D

He he, I'd do the same thing! ;)

vniow
Apr 11, 2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Show me your tits when U say that!;)

All I can say on the male protuberance front is that Graffenberg beats the hell out of Clitoral.:D ;) :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:

Is that an offer?http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257466

Your protuberance might beat the hell out of Clitoral, but that's only because its much more sensitive to repeated bangings.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

vniow
Apr 11, 2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
actually I'd pinch his ass just so I could say "I pinched Mick Jagger's ass" :D

Weakling.

I'd lick it, just to say 'I licked Mick Jagger's ass.'

eyelikeart
Apr 12, 2003, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by vniow
Weakling.

I'd lick it, just to say 'I licked Mick Jagger's ass.'

ok...ass licker... :eek: :D ;)

wdlove
Apr 12, 2003, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
Well sometimes they feel "forced," in where the other person just comes up and feels compelled to do so...not because they want to embrace u so much as a "goodbye" type of thing.

I prefer the kiss on the cheek routine...with the ladies, of course. I've been known to kiss my buddies on the cheek or head every now & then. :eek:

I prefer the hug first, then kiss on the cheek. It is only for a special realtionship, at least in American culture. ;)

mischief
Apr 12, 2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Is that an offer?http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257466

Your protuberance might beat the hell out of Clitoral, but that's only because its much more sensitive to repeated bangings.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

Not so! Hookings more than bangings. A talented set of hips behind that protuberance knows to make it a rythmic massage that hits every last little tingle-spot.:D ;)

As to an offer..... you'd have to talk to my agent......;) :p :D :eek:

wdlove
Apr 12, 2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Is that an offer?http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257466

Your protuberance might beat the hell out of Clitoral, but that's only because its much more sensitive to repeated bangings.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

They are both very sensitive!
;) The approach to the protuberance and the clitoral are different, but the clitoral is meant to be done gently!

eyelikeart
Apr 12, 2003, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
I prefer the hug first, then kiss on the cheek. It is only for a special realtionship, at least in American culture. ;)

maybe so...but here in the south...we're very welcoming and usually it's more of the kiss on the cheek routine between men & women...

I do sometimes hug my male friends though... ;)

eyelikeart
Apr 12, 2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
The approach to the protuberance and the clitoral are different, but the clitoral is meant to be done gently!

yeah...but what's good is once u get it going...u can go on & on & on... :D

wdlove
Apr 12, 2003, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
maybe so...but here in the south...we're very welcoming and usually it's more of the kiss on the cheek routine between & women...

I do sometimes hug my male friends though... ;)

You meant between men & women right! ;)

Why not try a hug also?

I also hug some of my male friends!

wdlove
Apr 12, 2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
yeah...but what's good is once u get it going...u can go on & on & on... :D

But from experience both become very sensitive and so continuing can become painful! I take it that you agree on this also? :p

mischief
Apr 12, 2003, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
They are both very sensitive!
;) The approach to the protuberance and the clitoral are different, but the clitoral is meant to be done gently!

With a little practice you can massage one with your pubic bone (very gently) while catching the other on the backstroke. Those who are well endowed can even just kind of shimmy a bit and hit all the areas at once with no perceptable thrusting at all beyond a full-depth rhythmic massage.:D :eek: :D :eek: :D :eek:

eyelikeart
Apr 12, 2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
But from experience both become very sensitive and so continuing can become painful! I take it that you agree on this also? :p

most definitely...there comes a point where it's "OK...stop or I'm gonna pass out!" :eek:

mischief
Apr 12, 2003, 01:38 PM
The whole shaved vs unshaved issue........

The compromise I've found works best is to have everything from the top of the labia down shaved and the rest neatly trimmed. Thusly can full linguistic dexterity be applied without hair up the nose or accidental pulling of hair.:p

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 03:12 PM
At mischief's request, I'm going to go and rant against men in this thread instead of the origins of your macrumors username one.









Now if I can just think of something to say.....

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by vniow
At mischief's request, I'm going to go and rant against men in this thread instead of the origins of your macrumors username one.









Now if I can just think of something to say.....

As the volunteer representative of my chromosomal subspecies I'll start u off:

We have really odd looking genetalia.

We have this annoying habit of talking to your breasts (assuming U have a nice rack ;) ).

We have the most annoying habit of using destruction as a means of forcing the advancement of civilization. (Co-operate or we'll ****ing kill you).

We assume that if a woman in our lives we'd like to screw is upset it's ALWAYS something we did.

We can never seem to make up our minds whether to be pissed at or simply leer at women.

We assume that when you say you want something.... you actually want it (ex.: if you have a problem with something that U actually want the problem solved or want advisory help in some way).

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by mischief
As the volunteer representative of my chromosomal subspecies I'll start u off:

We have really odd looking genetalia.

Not to mention ugly!http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251718http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478

We have this annoying habit of talking to your breasts (assuming U have a nice rack ;) ).

It's decent.

We have the most annoying habit of using destruction as a means of forcing the advancement of civilization. (Co-operate or we'll ****ing kill you).

Yess....we like to be a bit more subversive...mwahahahaha....

We assume that if a woman in our lives we'd like to screw is upset it's ALWAYS something we did.

Well it is, we're always right remember?http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257466

We can never seem to make up our minds whether to be pissed at or simply leer at women.

It always has to be one way or the other doesn't it?

We assume that when you say you want something.... you actually want it (ex.: if you have a problem with something that U actually want the problem solved or want advisory help in some way).

Yeah, I can't tell you how many times people have actually taken what I said to what it means word for word, pffffft.

Kethoticus
Apr 15, 2003, 04:55 PM
Think again and read Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World".

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Kethoticus
Think again and read Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World".

Fah! Thbbt!

Huxley was railing against Facism in a time when it was a real threat. Obviously no single element can bring about Global Utopia...... I was making the point that Sensuality and Sexuality are a very large part of Human behaviour that have both been suppressed.... suppression of ANY instinctively linked behaviour brings on the probability of violence.:rolleyes:

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Not to mention ugly!http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251718http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478



Well..... no arguement that a flaccid dong ain't pretty.....

Then again a chainsaw isn't precisely elegant either but in the right hands it can create rather impressive sculpture.

Think of it as a really big Clit with extras.;)

shadowfax
Apr 15, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Fah! Thbbt!

Huxley was railing against Facism in a time when it was a real threat. Obviously no single element can bring about Global Utopia...... I was making the point that Sensuality and Sexuality are a very large part of Human behaviour that have both been suppressed.... suppression of ANY instinctively linked behaviour brings on the probability of violence.:rolleyes:

1984?

we'll get those instincts out of you. in a few years, there won't even be orgasms.

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
1984?

we'll get those instincts out of you. in a few years, there won't even be orgasms.

Well there goes my primary relaxation technique.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=259055

scem0
Apr 15, 2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Then again a chainsaw isn't precisely elegant either but in the right hands it can create rather impressive sculpture.

Think of it as a really big Clit with extras.;)

That is very disturbing.... ;)

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by scem0
That is very disturbing.... ;)

He's right though.

The pen|s can be an incredibly powerful tool if its used correctly.

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by vniow
He's right though.

The pen|s can be an incredibly powerful tool if its used correctly.

Hmmmm...... I thought you were lacking for firsthand knowledge in that area?

Still feeling in need of an oversize cigar cutter?:eek: :rolleyes: :D ;)

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Hmmmm...... I thought you were lacking for firsthand knowledge in that area?

Not first hand, secondhand.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

Still feeling in need of an oversize cigar cutter?:eek: :rolleyes: :D ;)

Nah, I can always get a fake one...

shadowfax
Apr 15, 2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Well there goes my primary relaxation technique.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=259055

seeing as Big Brother doesn't really exist, you're still safe.

Sun Baked
Apr 15, 2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Not first hand, secondhand.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755 Trying to make everyone feel inferior again?

That you need a second hand to do the job properly... :p

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Sun Baked
Trying to make everyone feel inferior again?

That you need a second hand to do the job properly... :p


Well I don't need a second hand to do the job properly, but there's only so much you can do with one...

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Not first hand, secondhand.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257755

[b]

Nah, I can always get a fake one...

Well..... I can tell you that from secondhand knowledge of my own that it just aint the same. Like compairing Grand Tourismo for X-Box to driving an actual Ferrari on an open stretch of HWY 17 at 3:00 in the morning.;)

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Well..... I can tell you that from secondhand knowledge of my own that it just aint the same. Like compairing Grand Tourismo for X-Box to driving an actual Ferrari on an open stretch of HWY 17 at 3:00 in the morning.;)

I'm just going to have to take your word for it, although you don't get the rest of the extra stuff with a fake one which may or may no be a good thing depending on who you ask...

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Well I don't need a second hand to do the job properly, but there's only so much you can do with one...

Now just think of the fun you could have with a third and fourth hand in.... say.... a hot tub.:D

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Now just think of the fun you could have with a third and fourth hand in.... say.... a hot tub.:D

Not to mention feet and tongues and possibly some other appendages...http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251718

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Not to mention feet and tongues and possibly some other appendages...http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251718

Bingo!:D :p :p

I have yet to encounter a better aphrodesiac than complete privacy and a really hot hot tub. A few minutes of soaking and whoahboy... Instant sex-kitten!:eek:

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by mischief
Bingo!:D :p :p

I have yet to encounter a better aphrodesiac than complete privacy and a really hot hot tub. A few minutes of soaking and whoahboy... Instant sex-kitten!:eek:

Now you're talking!http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478

Although I can only hold my breath underwater for so long...

mischief
Apr 15, 2003, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Now you're talking!http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478

Although I can only hold my breath underwater for so long...

That's one thing that's cool about being both Athsmatic and a Stoner.... you can go a LONG TIME on 1 breath underwater...... though that's just a warmup for me...:eek: :D

Stelliform
Apr 15, 2003, 07:17 PM
I think this image best desribes where this thread is heading. :D

GeneR
Apr 15, 2003, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by mischief
RE: Is repressed sexualit the latent key to world peace?

QUESTION: Do you even have to ask? :D ;)

wdlove
Apr 15, 2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Stelliform
I think this image best desribes where this thread is heading. :D

They definitely going to need a cold shower soon or follow vinow's favorite plan of attack on the subject! :p

Kethoticus
Apr 15, 2003, 10:30 PM
Fah! Thbbt!

Huxley was railing against Facism in a time when it was a real threat. Obviously no single element can bring about Global Utopia...... I was making the point that Sensuality and Sexuality are a very large part of Human behaviour that have both been suppressed.... suppression of ANY instinctively linked behaviour brings on the probability of violence.

He was showing that a preoccupation with sensuality (in sex, the drug 'soma', etc) could be used to dull the senses of the people. Appealing to humanity's natural predisposition to self-centered, immediate gratification, the gov't could maintain control of the people.

As far as violence stemming from sexual repression is concerned, I believe that violence stems from a variety of causes. But I'm not sure that sexual frustration or the lack of sexual promiscuity is one of them. I do believe that man's ego structure is the biggest problem this planet has to deal with. Man raises himself up as God's self-appointed representative on earth, and you have the potential for horrible consequences. The man who has no self-esteem will try to overcompensate by overpowering others. The lack of sex may affect someone's confidence in themselves (since their self-image is dependent on the wrong thing). And that individual will transfer those insecurities in different directions, sometimes to someone's detriment. God help us if that person has power, and sees two large skyscrapers as giant phallic symbols that need to be castrated.

And oh... didn't the last person who did that have about a dozen wives?

vniow
Apr 15, 2003, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Stelliform
I think this image best desribes where this thread is heading. :D

Awww...only two?

Borrrrring.

Rower_CPU
Apr 15, 2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Kethoticus
He was showing that a preoccupation with sensuality (in sex, the drug 'soma', etc) could be used to dull the senses of the people. Appealing to humanity's natural predisposition to self-centered, immediate gratification, the gov't could maintain control of the people.

As far as violence stemming from sexual repression is concerned, I believe that violence stems from a variety of causes. But I'm not sure that sexual frustration or the lack of sexual promiscuity is one of them. I do believe that man's ego structure is the biggest problem this planet has to deal with. Man raises himself up as God's self-appointed representative on earth, and you have the potential for horrible consequences. The man who has no self-esteem will try to overcompensate by overpowering others. The lack of sex may affect someone's confidence in themselves (since their self-image is dependent on the wrong thing). And that individual will transfer those insecurities in different directions, sometimes to someone's detriment. God help us if that person has power, and sees two large skyscrapers as giant phallic symbols that need to be castrated.

And oh... didn't the last person who did that have about a dozen wives?

Interesting analysis...

One could also consider the violation of Iraq (the "birthplace of civilization") an Oedipal act of incest, if one were so inclined. ;)

Kethoticus
Apr 16, 2003, 01:42 AM
One could also consider the violation of Iraq (the "birthplace of civilization") an Oedipal act of incest, if one were so inclined.

heh... pretty funny. Original. I like it. Don't agree with it, but I like it.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2003, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Kethoticus
heh... pretty funny. Original. I like it. Don't agree with it, but I like it.

I know, I don't believe it either, but I thought the connection was an interesting one. :)

Kethoticus
Apr 16, 2003, 02:44 AM
I know, I don't believe it either, but I thought the connection was an interesting one.

And increasingly disturbing the more I thought about it ;-)

mischief
Apr 16, 2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Kethoticus
He was showing that a preoccupation with sensuality (in sex, the drug 'soma', etc) could be used to dull the senses of the people. Appealing to humanity's natural predisposition to self-centered, immediate gratification, the gov't could maintain control of the people.

As far as violence stemming from sexual repression is concerned, I believe that violence stems from a variety of causes. But I'm not sure that sexual frustration or the lack of sexual promiscuity is one of them. I do believe that man's ego structure is the biggest problem this planet has to deal with. Man raises himself up as God's self-appointed representative on earth, and you have the potential for horrible consequences.


The current culture is pre-occupied with Sex.... though the pre-occupation is spun with embedded repression. The paradox is every bit as subversively powerful as the dronelike obsession presented by Huxley was overtly so.

I said nothing about promiscuity or frustration. Obviously violence stems from many sources but there are very few of those sources more in our personal control than sensuality, compassion, sex and basic personal intemacy.

A man's Ego, when appropriately trained and kept in check by a skilled and non-competitive woman's Compassion can do a tremendous amount of good too.

Television is the Soma of American society. What is Television's most common image?

The "perfect" teenage girl: "Look but don't even think it, because if you do you're a dirty pervert." Say these images.

As for self-centered immediate gratification: You've never had good, 3 day long sex have you? :rolleyes:

wdlove
Apr 16, 2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by mischief
The current culture is pre-occupied with Sex.... though the pre-occupation is spun with embedded repression. The paradox is every bit as subversively powerful as the dronelike obsession presented by Huxley was overtly so.

I said nothing about promiscuity or frustration. Obviously violence stems from many sources but there are very few of those sources more in our personal control than sensuality, compassion, sex and basic personal intemacy.

A man's Ego, when appropriately trained and kept in check by a skilled and non-competitive woman's Compassion can do a tremendous amount of good too.

Television is the Soma of American society. What is Television's most common image?

The "perfect" teenage girl: "Look but don't even think it, because if you do you're a dirty pervert." Say these images.

As for self-centered immediate gratification: You've never had good, 3 day long sex have you? :rolleyes:

Does that have to be 72 hours of continuous sex? That is something for the young if that is correct answer!

Sex in a loving committed relationship, marriage is the best! :)

mischief
Apr 16, 2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by wdlove
Does that have to be 72 hours of continuous sex? That is something for the young if that is correct answer!

Sex in a loving committed relationship, marriage is the best! :)

I knew you'd ask that question!:D

Not 72 hours of continuous schtupping.... lord no! We'd both be so chafed we'd bleed!

No, what I mean by 3-day sex is spending most of that 72 hours just being totally in each other's company and in some kind of intimate contact... anything from simple conversation while walking hand-in-hand to long, slow kissing that leaves your lips tingling and your heart rate up. :cool:

Only the last 4 hours or so actually happed al fresco with perhaps the final hour focussed on "traditional" erogenous zones. :cool: :D

I am in the definition of a long-term committed relationship. I've been with my wife (married and not) for about 9 years. I tease vniow, but my wife is extremely choosey about women.;)

vniow
Apr 16, 2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by mischief
I tease vniow, but my wife is extremely choosey about women.;)


Hmmm.....I may have to work on that one......

scem0
Apr 16, 2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Awww...only two?

Borrrrring.

I think they might have been 2 female emoticons? Does that make
it a lil' more exciting? ;)

wdlove
Apr 17, 2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by mischief
I knew you'd ask that question!:D

Not 72 hours of continuous schtupping.... lord no! We'd both be so chafed we'd bleed!

No, what I mean by 3-day sex is spending most of that 72 hours just being totally in each other's company and in some kind of intimate contact... anything from simple conversation while walking hand-in-hand to long, slow kissing that leaves your lips tingling and your heart rate up. :cool:

Only the last 4 hours or so actually happed al fresco with perhaps the final hour focussed on "traditional" erogenous zones. :cool: :D

I am in the definition of a long-term committed relationship. I've been with my wife (married and not) for about 9 years. I tease vniow, but my wife is extremely choosey about women.;)

I think that would be a super way to spend 3 days with the one that you love. Quality time is very precious! ;)

Kethoticus
Apr 22, 2003, 12:56 AM
...interesting, thoughtful points. I must say that I might actually agree with some of what you said.