Lamp iMac modifications....

[miles01110]

Hi-

I just bought a 17'' lamp-style G4 iMac with a dead logic board for the screen, with the intent of doing some fun modifications, just because I have some spare time. There are 2 things I would like to ask you all about. If you reply (and all constructive or humorous replies are much appreciated!), keep in mind that I am fairly knowledgeable about electronics and am good at soldering/wiring. Anything I don't know how to do, I have friends that are professional electrical engineers (my day job is working on the ATLAS experiment for the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva). So-

1) I have a perfect, working iMac G4 that has served me well for many years in the same lamp style with a 15'' monitor. Is it possible to gut the 15'' and put it in the 17''? The fit of the components doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to work and be more or less as functional as the current machine. I might be able to build some spacers or something if the fit is not perfect.

2) What do you think the chances are of me stuffing the innards of a Mac Mini inside the 15'' or 17'' chassis? My main concern is the screen connection. I might be able to jury-rig something so that the wires coming from the neck go to a DVI or whatever port is on the Mac Mini to do it that way, I wonder if there isn't a better solution?

Have at it. If I go through with this, I plan to post pictures and a step-by-step account of the process. Thanks!

Oh, and to the people who will undoubtedly bring up copyright/legal infringements....this will not be for sale. Save your breath.

[Flynnstone]

I think you should be able to do either.

But putting an Intel mini in the 17" would nostalgic and very cool.

[plinkoman]

wow, putting a mini in a lampshade chassis. cool idea. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do it, you would just have to see how the screen is hooked up.

good luck.

[Flynnstone]

I got me thinking ...
Now I'm looking for a dead 17" iMac.

[timswim78]

I like this idea. The iMac G4 is tied with the Quicksilver G4 as my favorite Mac.

Best of luck to you. I wish that I could help, but I don't have any experience with this and was not successful with google searches on the matter.

Please keep us updated.

[nagromme]

Don't forget, they even made 20" sunflower Macs.

The latest Core Duo Mini with a 20" lamp-style screen would be pretty cool!

[Superdrive]

If you come across a working 800mhz or greater logic board that would otherwise collect dust, I would like to replace my current one as the video card is on its last legs. Of course, if your Mini mod works out, I may simply be interested in a copy of your design. Best of luck :)

[freddyflinty]

Hi miles01110,

Have you thought about swapping out the LCD panel as well? There are 17" 1920x1200 WUXGA panels available on Ebay for $300+

I'm very eager to hear the results of your Franken-iMac :)

[ripfrankwhite]

That is a great idea. I love the iMac G4 design.

[speakerwizard]

nice idea, only thing that springs to mind is the I/0 port arrangement on the boards minis straight line, imacs - curved along like case, but im sure yourll find a way around that. ive always wanted to put a mini in a cube case mmmmmm, could even fit in a bigger hard drive there!

[-Garry-]

Mac mini innards in G4 iMac?

Square peg in a round hole?

[miles01110]

Hi miles01110,

Have you thought about swapping out the LCD panel as well? There are 17" 1920x1200 WUXGA panels available on Ebay for $300+

I'm very eager to hear the results of your Franken-iMac :)

I did think about that, but I don't really need it. I'd be lying if I said I was trying not to waste money (I'm still trying to decide if this is a waste or not- so far I think it isn't), but no need to spend extra $ for something extra extra. Perhaps if this one works out I'll try that :)


Mac mini innards in G4 iMac?

Square peg in a round hole?

Yeah, there is that issue. I took some measurements, though, and the Mac Mini is just a tiny bit bigger than the base of the iMac in question. I wonder how much of that space is due to the casing. The real issue is going to be the height I think. After all, the Mac Mini doesn't appear to lend itself well to being fit inside a dome. Then again, a huge part of the iMac was the CD drive alone. I'm hoping the slot-loading drive will cut down on that wasted space by a factor of 3 at least.

[miles01110]

I forgot to add, does anyone know where I can find some technical drawings of the iMac innards ? Yes, I tried Google search but nothing came up.

[nagromme]

Yeah, there is that issue. I took some measurements, though, and the Mac Mini is just a tiny bit bigger than the base of the iMac in question. I wonder how much of that space is due to the casing. The real issue is going to be the height I think. After all, the Mac Mini doesn't appear to lend itself well to being fit inside a dome. Then again, a huge part of the iMac was the CD drive alone. I'm hoping the slot-loading drive will cut down on that wasted space by a factor of 3 at least.
Also, the iMac's internal power supply takes up space, and is probably still needed for the display--but I THINK it sits top-most and so that might be OK.

One option you have: let the Mac Mini stick out the back a little where you can't see it. It would be REALLY cool to have it all inside, and even connect extender cables to the G4's port-holes, but from the front it looks the same either way.

(And if you take the case off of the Mini, it becomes that much smaller of course.

[Sdashiki]

howzabout making the lampstand (the foot) into a Mac Mini dock of sorts?

sorta like a blade server's HDDs?

in other words, make it so you could just slide the mini into the front of the lampstand an it would connect to all the ports n whatnot on the iMac, and the screen....

i dunno, but i think its a good idea!

[nagromme]

Another thought: let the iMac be a hub/dock and display... but with a hydracable going to a Mac of ANY kind located nearby. You'd plug stuff into the iMac ports, but they'd be routed to the "real" Mac.

The iMac then becomes a really fancy display, with the flexibility to use it with any future computer.

[miles01110]

Also, the iMac's internal power supply takes up space, and is probably still needed for the display--but I THINK it sits top-most and so that might be OK.

I'd use the Mac Mini power supply.



One option you have: let the Mac Mini stick out the back a little where you can't see it. It would be REALLY cool to have it all inside, and even connect extender cables to the G4's port-holes, but from the front it looks the same either way.

(And if you take the case off of the Mini, it becomes that much smaller of course.

I plan on taking apart the Mac Mini to make it fit, case and everything.

Good ideas from Sdashiki and nagromme, but my desk would be much cooler looking with no visible signs of a Mac mini either in front or behind the iMac :-) I am 75% sure I can find a way to fit a fully functional mini into the iMac....no need to turn it into a dock or hub.

[mrichmon]

1) I have a perfect, working iMac G4 that has served me well for many years in the same lamp style with a 15'' monitor. Is it possible to gut the 15'' and put it in the 17''? The fit of the components doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to work and be more or less as functional as the current machine. I might be able to build some spacers or something if the fit is not perfect.


This is probably fairly easy and you may find that the 17" board is actually a 15" board with the appropriate spacers already. You will want to find a copy of the Apple service manual for these machines to get some idea of the innards before you open the iMacs. Reassembling an iMac correctly is essential... assembling the iMac mates some heat transfer pipes. If these are not assembled correctly your iMac will function for about 10 minutes before cooking itself to death.


2) What do you think the chances are of me stuffing the innards of a Mac Mini inside the 15'' or 17'' chassis? My main concern is the screen connection. I might be able to jury-rig something so that the wires coming from the neck go to a DVI or whatever port is on the Mac Mini to do it that way, I wonder if there isn't a better solution?


The problem will be the DVI connection. Integrated LCD panels typically do not use DVI signalling between the motherboard and the display. You would need to get the LCD panel specifications and then obtain an interface chip/board to connect to the panel. This interface chip/board then converts from DVI to the appropriate signalling to drive the display directly. A number of companies produce these interface boards and sell them on the web. Primarily the market is for people who buy random LCD panels to make into screens or who buy random LCD panels to build into an in-car PC.

Powering the iMac LCD panel might be difficult since I suspect you'd need to remove the iMac power supply in order to properly align the Mac Mini with the CD slot. You might also be better off ditching the Mac Mini hard drive and optical drive and instead using a 3.5" hard drive and full size optical drive in the iMac case.

Given the LCD power and interface issues it might be worth considering upgrading the LCD panel. Buying a new LCD panel from a vendor who will also sell you the interface circuit may end up being a trade off against trying to find an interface that will work with the original iMac panel. You will also need to worry about heat issues for the Mac Mini.

An alternative approach is to gut the iMac, fashion some cabling and and appropriate interface/adapters so that the iMac screen is connected to the DVI port on the back of the iMac and a stack of internal drives (3.5" hard drives, full size optical drive, etc) are housed in the iMac body and are connected to the firewire port on the rear of the iMac. Integrate a usb hub in the iMac and you have an iMac shaped external drive enclosure/screen/usb hub device. If you hide a Mac Mini, or any other Mac under the desk the illusion will be that the iMac is running Intel OS X.


Oh, and to the people who will undoubtedly bring up copyright/legal infringements....this will not be for sale. Save your breath.

There are no concerns for infringements either way. A company does not have any mechanism other than patent protection to prevent someone from dismantling or modifying a product after the product has been sold. The only time that patent protection would be a concern would be if you were duplicating the product. (I'm not a lawyer and others may disagree with this interpretation.)

The only concern is that this process would be much aided by getting your hands on the apple service manuals. These manuals are distributed fairly widely to service techs and some levels of ADC membership but are not public. However copies of these manuals can be found on the web.

[dopey220]

That would be awesome. I've always loved the look of the G4 iMacs.

[discoforce]

I received some advice and cautions (link for previous post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=209809&highlight=imac+mini+mod)) when I pondered doing this once...

If you get it working, take lots of photos!

[Killyp]

I like the monitor idea. You could also mount a Firewire DVD burner in it...

Or turn it into a fan, either way, remember to post pictures...

[Poff]

Hi miles,

did you ever get this project working? Would be nice hearing from you on the progress. I have a 15" imac G4 700 that is getting terribly slow.. but it's still as cool. :D

Would be nice to give it new life..

(btw. does the iMac use 3,5" hdd's? I saw someone writing that in here..)

[ITASOR]

(btw. does the iMac use 3,5" hdd's? I saw someone writing that in here..)

Yes

[Poff]

Yes

Cool. I guess that means I'll upgrade my HD soon then, as those are far less expensive than the 2,5"'s. :)

(btw. since it's an old computer I guess it's using IDE drives?)

[Stadsport]

I had this idea a while ago, and after doing some research I found that not only does the iMac G4 use a wonky connector for the screen, but I'm pretty sure the LCD has no onboard image processor. The iMac's logic board handles the picture. :(

Still, I'd love to hear your results if you decide to move forward. The iMac G4 is easily my favorite design for a desktop.

[baxterbrittle]

I would suggest you do the following:

Take Logic Board from 15" iMac and install in 17" one with broken LB. You should then have a nice working machine and a decent upgrade of screen for your trouble.

Then take the remains of the 15" and get a standard laptop panel, if it were me I'd probably go for a 1400 x 1050 15" but you could also go a 1024 x 768 (same as standard - pretty low res) or 1280 x 1024 or even 1600 x 1200. Then you'll need a controller to convert the lvds signal to vga/dvi. The iLamp does not use standard lvds, you will need a display with a single channel lvds connector. Most only do up to 1280 x 1024 but I have seen some that do 1600 x 1200. After that figure out how to stuff the MacMini into the casing (I'm pretty sure I've seen it done - check macmod.com). There are also some folks out there whom have figured out how to get 1 x 3.5" SATA + 2 x PATA drives working off a Mini.

All these things are easily do-able with a bit of waiting (for the right opportunity) and a bit of planning ahead. Another simpler option is to get a hold of a standard 15" LCD monitor and gut it and use all the components from that in the iMac (should be easy enough) which will be cheap (15"ers aren't worth that much) and has all the controllers, power etc... for the display. But I'd go the lvds route for the higher resolution - remember a MM can only drive one display, best to make it a good one.

Personally I think you are wasting your time trying to use the existing display - you're in for a world of pain.

Good luck.

[Poff]

(I'm pretty sure I've seen it done - check macmod.com).

couldn't find it there.. but aren't there some other mod-sites aswell? Found something on the forums on 123macmini.com, but I had to stop looking. Gotta get out of bed and head for work tomorrow morning...

[iApple4000]

in other words, make it so you could just slide the mini into the front of the lampstand an it would connect to all the ports n whatnot on the iMac, and the screen....

i dunno, but i think its a good idea!

Like The Old PowerBook Duo And The Duo Dock!

NICE But Still I Like The Mac Mini In The G4 Case Permanently Better



Why Not Take Apart The Mac Mini Instead Of Putting The Whole Thing In?

The Only Problem With The Height Would Be Because Of The Slot-Loading Optical Drive, Worst Case Scenario, Make The CD Drive External.

And Of Course, You're Voiding The Warranty Why Not Mod The Thing As Well, Maybe A Better Processor?


OR You Can Cheat By Not Putting The Mac Mini In At All By Just Gutting The Machine And Putting Cable Extenders To The Mac Mini, Then Hide The Mac Mini Somewhere And Put A External CD Drive In The iMac Dome To Make It Look Real (You Would Have To Put Extra Weight In The Dome To Stop It Falling Over Though!)

[der-joerg]

Hello, miles01110, macrumors 65

did Your search was successfully?
I´ve the same project in mind - but the "little problems" with display and controler - and my bad english.... :-)
Thanks ahead
der-joerg from Germany


Hi-

I just bought a 17'' lamp-style G4 iMac with a dead logic board for the screen, with the intent of doing some fun modifications, just because I have some spare time. There are 2 things I would like to ask you all about. If you reply (and all constructive or humorous replies are much appreciated!), keep in mind that I am fairly knowledgeable about electronics and am good at soldering/wiring. Anything I don't know how to do, I have friends that are professional electrical engineers (my day job is working on the ATLAS experiment for the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva). So-

1) I have a perfect, working iMac G4 that has served me well for many years in the same lamp style with a 15'' monitor. Is it possible to gut the 15'' and put it in the 17''? The fit of the components doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to work and be more or less as functional as the current machine. I might be able to build some spacers or something if the fit is not perfect.

2) What do you think the chances are of me stuffing the innards of a Mac Mini inside the 15'' or 17'' chassis? My main concern is the screen connection. I might be able to jury-rig something so that the wires coming from the neck go to a DVI or whatever port is on the Mac Mini to do it that way, I wonder if there isn't a better solution?

Have at it. If I go through with this, I plan to post pictures and a step-by-step account of the process. Thanks!

Oh, and to the people who will undoubtedly bring up copyright/legal infringements....this will not be for sale. Save your breath.

[pmackin]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=224698&highlight=pmackin&page=2

Try the above thread for a couple of diagrams..of the internals

[SkippyThorson]

Why is everyone blown away by this idea? This has been debated and tried and such since at least 2006.

Right here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=224698

That's the main thread holding info on the iMac G4 + Mini idea. No need for this thread to be here. That one's been there for almost 3 years.

Anything thought of here seems to have already been covered there.

[wrinkster22]

what did you ever do with it?