Mac OS 10.4.8 Imminent?

[MacRumors]

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According to a Digg.com story (http://digg.com/apple/Mac_OS_X_10_4_8_Final_BUILD_to_be_Released_in_the_Next_Few_Days), Apple has seeded OS 10.4.8 Build 8L2125 to developers. According to the poster (named "appledev"), no significant issues remain which could indicate a release within days.

The Intel Version weighs in at 206 MB, with the PowerPC Version weighing in at a significantly less 30.8 MB. Previous rumors indicated significant work was being done on Rosetta, which could explain the substantial size difference (although Intel versions have typically been larger, as Mac OS 10.4.7, released in June (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/06/20060627161810.shtml), was 133 MB Intel and 64 MB PPC). Other previous (unconfirmed) rumors have indicated that, among other enhancements and bug fixes (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060829081002.shtml), OpenGL may have also seen performance improvements (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060910001852.shtml).

[spicyapple]

I like updates. :)

My build is currently 8J135. What happened to 8Kxxx?

[Kernow]

I hope so, 10.4.7 is still the prime suspect for breaking my Firewire audio interface.

[tobefirst]

Any Rosetta improvements are definitely welcome!

[Fiveos22]

I'm hoping to see those OpenGL improvements significantly boost my Quake 1 fps on my MacBook.

[Chundles]

Yep, sounds good. I likes me some OS updates.

Rack up another one (10.4.9) in December followed by another just before Leopard (10.4.10) and I reckon we'd be done.

[cantthinkofone]

I hope so, 10.4.7 is still the prime suspect for breaking my Firewire audio interface.

im not to fond of 10.4.7 either. i think 10.3.7 was when my G5 crashed and i had to re-install OS X :eek: when 10.5.7 rolls around, i think ill skip it.

[Hodapp]

I'm hoping to see those OpenGL improvements significantly boost my Quake 1 fps on my MacBook.

I doubt a software update can magically change your crappy Intel 950 in to a worthwhile GPU.

I keep waiting for one of these updates to properly clock the MacBook Pro's GPU. Now that is ridiculous.

[solvs]

A developer friend of mine tried to download the previous dev release for my system (iMac G5), but it wouldn't install right for some reason. It would hang on restart. I had to re-install from the CD and re-update everything. Even tried disabling all my hacks and startup items, but it just did it again. I believe it was the combo version (2117 I think). I'm thinking it didn't get download right or something though, because he was able to get it working on his (Intel and PPC), a friend of our's (dual G5 PowerMac), and my Mother's (Intel mini). Hoping the new one works better, but if not, at least I know how to fix it. :rolleyes: When it works though, it's fast. Real fast.

[generik]

Probably out next Tuesday!

[bdj21ya]

I'm hoping to see those OpenGL improvements significantly boost my Quake 1 fps on my MacBook.

I think you probably should have gotten a machine with a graphics card if you wanted to play 3d games.

[dsnort]

Probably out next Tuesday!

With the Merom MBP's?!! :D

[crees!]

From Digg:

10.4.8 Build 8L2125 Seeded to select & prem devs today, and has no know issues. This means Apple plans to release it in the wild witin the next few days. Intel Version 206mb (mostly rosetta) PowerPC Version 30.8mb. NOT LIVE YET, For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n304200

To note, the KB article doesn't exist.

[BornAgainMac]

I wonder if Rosetta was handicapped during the transition period so people would still purchase the remaining exciting PowerPC products.

[p0intblank]

Very nice, bring on 10.4.8! :) Possible improvements in Rosetta for Intel Mac users is definitely something to look forward to.

[treblah]

If he gets me a seed account, do I have to stop posting here? Cuz that would suck. A lot.

You don't have to stop posting in general. Only about stuff you download or read on ADC.

I'm going to predict a Friday release, to coincide with Aperture 1.5.

[EricNau]

Sounds good!

I've been waiting for this update a long time.

[RichyHo]

Probably out next Tuesday!
Me too.... probably be back around 6 for The Simpsons though. ;)

[twoodcc]

Any Rosetta improvements are definitely welcome!

yes they are

and i also like updates :cool:

[robbieduncan]

I expect that 10.4.8 will be required for Aperture 1.5 (as OS updates are normally required to add RAW support for new cameras). A post on another forum (arstechnicas iirc) by someone who was at Photokina and had talked to someone from Apple said that Aperture 1.5 was scheduled to be available for download at the end of the show (October 1st)...

[solvs]

Definitely can't wait for Aperture 1.5 though. Runs like a dog on my system. May have to start finally using it.

[nw_mike]

Apple has periods in which they allow people to apply for AppleSeed accounts. The purpose is to help them test their OS updates and releases in environments they are not able to replicate themselves. To this end I am not sure how your friend can 'get' you a seed account, legitimately. if you go the AppleSeed page you are generally greeted with the message

"We are not seeking new participants. You must have an invitation in order to log in."

That being said, anything relating to the seeds you would download are covered by NDA (non-disclosure agreement) and are legally binding. So your answer would be you cannot, legally, talk about those issues in any other forum then the one they provide.

[tmphoto]

I hope it fixes the USB connection to Canon cameras. They broke it with 10.4.7. I'm still booting from my portable backup drive when shooting tethered (looks really pro on location).
I dread the going-backwards-sytem-reinstall BS tho, so that's what I have been doing.

[gloss]

I doubt a software update can magically change your crappy Intel 950 in to a worthwhile GPU.

Of course not. But it could allow multi-core support in OpenGL, which would be dandy and, yes, would affect performance even on integrated graphics systems.

[robbieduncan]

I hope it fixes the USB connection to Canon cameras. They broke it with 10.4.7. I'm still booting from my portable backup drive when shooting tethered (looks really pro on location).
I dread the going-backwards-sytem-reinstall BS tho, so that's what I have been doing.

My EOS 400D works fine (in tethered mode as well as just transfering from the memory card)?

[Yannick]

I checked the update pace for Mac OS X 10.4.
29/04/2005: 10.4.0
17/05/2005: 10.4.1 (+ 18 days)
12/07/2005: 10.4.2 (+ 56 days)
31/10/2005: 10.4.3 (+ 111 days)
11/01/2006: 10.4.4 (+ 72 days)
14/02/2006: 10.4.5 (+ 34 days)
03/04/2006: 10.4.6 (+ 48 days)
27/06/2006: 10.4.7 (+ 85 days)
27/09/2006 (today) + 92 days

Soon we'll have 10.4.8, and then probably around 3 months later 10.4.9 (January?). I doubt Apple will release 10.4.10, they could but I don't think they ever did it with another OS.

I thought first that it could mean that Leopard would be early, but I don't think so (spring 2007 is March 21 - June 21).

[zwilliams07]

Hopefully the next update will resolve some rather annoying bugs. The one that irritates me to no limit is the bug of moving directories off the desktop into other directories.

As soon as I do, all my icons are thrown about on the desktop. Gawd its annoying.

[Tommyg117]

Updates rock, but just give me leeeeooooopard

[drlunanerd]

It will be released this week to tie in with the Aperture 1.5 update, which I believe requires 10.4.8 (if only for updated RAW support).

[Squonk]

I checked the update pace for Mac OS X 10.4.
29/04/2005: 10.4.0
17/05/2005: 10.4.1 (+ 18 days)
12/07/2005: 10.4.2 (+ 26 days)
31/10/2005: 10.4.3 (+ 111 days)
11/01/2006: 10.4.4 (+ 72 days)
14/02/2006: 10.4.5 (+ 34 days)
03/04/2006: 10.4.6 (+ 48 days)
27/06/2006: 10.4.7 (+ 85 days)
27/09/2006 (today) + 92 days


I'm such a geek for this kind of trivia! Thanks!!! :D

Bring on the update!

Bring on the Leopard!

[Abulia]

Yep, sounds good. I likes me some OS updates.

Rack up another one (10.4.9) in December followed by another just before Leopard (10.4.10) and I reckon we'd be done.
No, no, no! Don't you know, after 10.4.9 Apple has run out of numbers! It'd have to be 10.5.0!

:D


Couldn't resist...sorry!

[Chundles]

No, no, no! Don't you know, after 10.4.9 Apple has run out of numbers! It'd have to be 10.5.0!

:D


Couldn't resist...sorry!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You're right, whatever will they doooooo??????

Insert InvisiText™ Disclaimer that I know 10.4.10 does not equal 10.5.0 here.

[Abulia]

Dooooooooooooooommmmmmm!!!!!


:eek: :eek: :eek:

[abrooks]

It will be released this week to tie in with the Aperture 1.5 update, which I believe requires 10.4.8 (if only for updated RAW support).

Where does it say that?

[Yannick]

I checked the update pace for Mac OS X 10.4.
29/04/2005: 10.4.0
17/05/2005: 10.4.1 (+ 18 days)
12/07/2005: 10.4.2 (+ 56 days)
31/10/2005: 10.4.3 (+ 111 days)
11/01/2006: 10.4.4 (+ 72 days)
14/02/2006: 10.4.5 (+ 34 days)
03/04/2006: 10.4.6 (+ 48 days)
27/06/2006: 10.4.7 (+ 85 days)
27/09/2006 (today) + 92 daysI'm such a geek for this kind of trivia! Thanks!!! :D

Bring on the update!

Bring on the Leopard!

Thanks :D

Bring on the update!
+1
Bring on the Leopard!
+1

[gauchogolfer]

Where does it say that?

RAW handling in OSX is done by the operating system, so updates to RAW support imply updates to OSX as well.

[displaced]

Dooooooooooooooommmmmmm!!!!!


:eek: :eek: :eek:

Never fear. Apple will invent a new number, complete with a new character. 10.4.9 will include updates to all system font files and keyboard layouts containing this new symbol.

Now that's innovation.

[Multimedia]

I checked the update pace for Mac OS X 10.4.
29/04/2005: 10.4.0
17/05/2005: 10.4.1 (+ 18 days)
12/07/2005: 10.4.2 (+ 26 days)
31/10/2005: 10.4.3 (+ 111 days)
11/01/2006: 10.4.4 (+ 72 days)
14/02/2006: 10.4.5 (+ 34 days)
03/04/2006: 10.4.6 (+ 48 days)
27/06/2006: 10.4.7 (+ 85 days)
27/09/2006 (today) + 92 days

Soon we'll have 10.4.8, and then probably around 3 months later 10.4.9 (January?). I doubt Apple will release 10.4.10, they could but I don't think they ever did it with another OS.

I thought first that it could mean that Leopard would be early, but I don't think so (spring 2007 is March 21 - June 21).They Can Aways Resort To 10.4.9.1, 10.4.9.2 Etc.

[sunfast]

I love updates. Hard to say quite way, but any improvements are welcome :)

[spicyapple]

They Can Aways Resort To 10.4.9.1, 10.4.9.2 Etc.
Oh noes! The dreaded off-topic discussion on numbering schemes that pops up after each os update. ;)

[amols]

My EOS 400D works fine (in tethered mode as well as just transfering from the memory card)?


When did it come out? I was looking for it on Google but couldn't find aything but early reviews. Any links/directions ??

[bilbo--baggins]

All I need to know is whether it will update iSync to support the Sony Ericsson M600i...

[longofest]

I expect that 10.4.8 will be required for Aperture 1.5 (as OS updates are normally required to add RAW support for new cameras). A post on another forum (arstechnicas iirc) by someone who was at Photokina and had talked to someone from Apple said that Aperture 1.5 was scheduled to be available for download at the end of the show (October 1st)...

Aperture 1.5 lists 10.4.7 as the minimum requirement

[bjdku]

Never fear. Apple will invent a new number, complete with a new character. 10.4.9 will include updates to all system font files and keyboard layouts containing this new symbol.

Now that's innovation.


Ya, who says they won't use hex? Although if they have been using hex all this time it would have been OS A instead of OS 10 :) :)

[tmphoto]

My EOS 400D works fine (in tethered mode as well as just transfering from the memory card)?

Lucky you.
5D, not so much.

[relimw]

I wonder if Rosetta was handicapped during the transition period so people would still purchase the remaining exciting PowerPC products.
Funny, I really haven't noticed any bad slowdowns in any of the software I use on my Mac Pro (could be it was such a huge upgrade for me tho :).

[topgunn]

I think you probably should have gotten a machine with a graphics card if you wanted to play 3d games.
bdj21ya, meet sarcasm. Sarcasm, bdj21ya.

[relimw]

Apple has periods in which they allow people to apply for AppleSeed accounts. The purpose is to help them test their OS updates and releases in environments they are not able to replicate themselves. To this end I am not sure how your friend can 'get' you a seed account, legitimately. if you go the AppleSeed page you are generally greeted with the message

"We are not seeking new participants. You must have an invitation in order to log in."

That being said, anything relating to the seeds you would download are covered by NDA (non-disclosure agreement) and are legally binding. So your answer would be you cannot, legally, talk about those issues in any other forum then the one they provide.
The Select and Premier account levels allow the principle owner to give out Seed access to any ADC member. That means if you have a free account, and I'm a Premier member, I could give you seed access.

[robbieduncan]

When did it come out? I was looking for it on Google but couldn't find aything but early reviews. Any links/directions ??

I got mine a couple of weeks ago in Japan (so mine's actually a Kiss Digital X). It was released 1 day before I bought mine. Jessops etc seem to have them in stock. I've not seen a full review yet. dpreview have a preview (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos400d/), the review should be out soonish...

[robbieduncan]

RAW handling in OSX is done by the operating system, so updates to RAW support imply updates to OSX as well.

I think this is sort of true in Aperture but not 100% true. Aperture has it's own RAW decoders (1.0 and 1.1 versions) which are separate from the system and run in Core Image. I believe that it relies on the system support for colour profile data only...

[Eraserhead]

I checked the update pace for Mac OS X 10.4.
29/04/2005: 10.4.0
17/05/2005: 10.4.1 (+ 18 days)
12/07/2005: 10.4.2 (+ 56 days)
31/10/2005: 10.4.3 (+ 111 days)
11/01/2006: 10.4.4 (+ 72 days)
14/02/2006: 10.4.5 (+ 34 days)
03/04/2006: 10.4.6 (+ 48 days)
27/06/2006: 10.4.7 (+ 85 days)
27/09/2006 (today) + 92 days

Soon we'll have 10.4.8, and then probably around 3 months later 10.4.9 (January?). I doubt Apple will release 10.4.10, they could but I don't think they ever did it with another OS.

I thought first that it could mean that Leopard would be early, but I don't think so (spring 2007 is March 21 - June 21).

That's better, not that it really matters... ;)

[gugy]

yeah, bring it on.
10.4.7 is a total crap.
It caused kernel panic in my computer and made it behave totally erratic. I had to uninstall back to 10.4.6
I hope the new upgrade will solve many issues that were created by 10.4.7:mad:

[Yannick]

That's better, not that it really matters... ;)

Thanks for correcting this typo.

[Peace]

I'll give 10-1 odds there won't be a 10.4.9

10.5 at MWSF

[astewart]

I currently have the 20" C2D iMac and the Mac OSX Build I have is:
8k1106

[bdj21ya]

I'll give 10-1 odds there won't be a 10.4.9

10.5 at MWSF

What's the max bet?

[840quadra]

Oh noes! The dreaded off-topic discussion on numbering schemes that pops up after each os update. ;)

indeed the trend continues!

None the less, I am excited for a new build!

[BRLawyer]

I've never had any issues with the latest updates, so I don't really care with 10.4.8...but I wish Safari could be less memory-hungry, or use less virtual memory...that's all.

[shawnce]

A developer friend of mine tried to download the previous dev release for my system (iMac G5), but it wouldn't install right for some reason. It would hang on restart. ...that developer friend of yours is breaking his agreement with Apple and he should stop.

[robbieduncan]

Lucky you.
5D, not so much.

Could be that the 400D came with the latest software. Have you tried getting an update from the Canon website (DPP 2.2 etc). I can PM you the version numbers of the various utilities later on if you want?

[ct-scan]

With the Merom MBP's?!! :D

*Slap!* ;)

[amols]

This is going to be the most rockin' update eva!!1

Do you know something we don't ??

[Peaceful]

Ya, who says they won't use hex? Although if they have been using hex all this time it would have been OS A instead of OS 10 :) :)

No, no. You misunderstood. They switched from using a single base-ten number (OS 8, OS 9), to using a BINARY number and a base-ten number joined by a period. The binary number indicates the theme, while the base-ten number indicates significant os revisions.

So to illustrate, we currently have OS 10 (that's a binary ONE): FELINE

10.0 Cheetah
10.1 Puma
10.2 Jaguar
10.3 Panther
10.4 Tiger
10.5 Leopard
10.6 Lion
etc.

Next will be OS 01 (That's a binary TWO, and don't even try to tell me my endianness is wrong, because there is no wrong endianness for OS X, we all know that now). Anyway, the revision numbers will have to start over, and we'll have to go with a new AQUATIC theme, so you get:

01.0 Stingray
01.1 Jellyfish
01.2 Orca
01.3 Shark
etc.

And then OS 11 (That's a binary THREE, people): AVIANS

11.0 Kite
11.1 Hawk
11.2 Osprey
11.3 Eagle
etc.

Beyond that, I won't say, because I wouldn't want to break my NDA. But let's just say that OS 001 will have a killer theme, but we won't see that until 2022...

;)

[BWhaler]

Great news. Bug fixes are always welcome, and I really hope it speeds up Office and Adobe CS2 since those two pigs are taking their sweet time making their apps universal.

Now bring on the MacBook Pro updates....

[solvs]

...that developer friend of yours is breaking his agreement with Apple and he should stop.
I think he was just trying to convince me to sign up. I'm not so sure now. We'll see what happens with this next version.

[kainjow]

<snip>
I thought the difference between little/big endian was that the byte order was flipped, not the bit order. So 01 in BE/LE would always be 1, 10 - 2, etc. Or am I wrong?

Anyways, back on topic, I hope the updates improves Rosetta performance. Office and Photoshop run too slow.. and take up too much memory/CPU to keep open..

[cgc]

No, no, no! Don't you know, after 10.4.9 Apple has run out of numbers! It'd have to be 10.5.0!

:D


Couldn't resist...sorry!


No, not THIS discussion AGAIN. This got a lot of talk at 10.3.9...

[tmphoto]

Could be that the 400D came with the latest software. Have you tried getting an update from the Canon website (DPP 2.2 etc). I can PM you the version numbers of the various utilities later on if you want?

Thanks but, yes I spent hours on it the day I realized there was a problem. First reinstalling, then checking for updates and after a lot failure I checked the forums at dpreview and found that I was not alone and that it was in fact the OS update that caused it.
Canon's site even acknowledges the problem.

[Stridder44]

No, not THIS discussion AGAIN. This got a lot of talk at 10.3.9...


Yes, if anyone starts that @#% up again I will punch a room full of children.

[bjdku]

I really hope this fixes the AFP-Photoshop issue. Altough that is really Adobe's problem

[Multimedia]

yeah, bring it on.
10.4.7 is a total crap.
It caused kernel panic in my computer and made it behave totally erratic. I had to uninstall back to 10.4.6
I hope the new upgrade will solve many issues that were created by 10.4.7:mad:On your Quad G5? It runs like butta on mine. Did you make sure to use the Combo updater and not the Software Update incremental 10.4.7 updater? I always use the Combo.

[Multimedia]

I've never had any issues with the latest updates, so I don't really care with 10.4.8...but I wish Safari could be less memory-hungry, or use less virtual memory...that's all.Me too. And I wish Safari had a "Sure you want to quit?" dialog box for those times when we accidentally do a Command + Q in the dark when we thought we were doing a switch application Command + Tab.

Glad to hear it's in Leopard. But having to wait for an entirely new system version to get a little helpful dialog box in one little application seems like an expensive unnecessary delay.

[MovieCutter]

Me too. And I wish Safari had a "Sure you want to quit?" dialog box for those times when we accidentally do a Command + Q in it.

It does in Leopard...

[gugy]

On your Quad G5? It runs like butta on mine. Did you make sure to use the Combo updater and not the Software Update incremental 10.4.7 updater? I always use the Combo.

I don't know what to tell you. Couple days after I installed 10.4.7 , major issues happened on my quad. I end up with my computer at Apple for repair and 3 weeks later they figure out a combination of 10.4.7 and my GT7800 card were the issue.
Now, I have a new GT card and I use 10.4.6. The kernel comes once a week. So the problem in some way still persist. I hope the new 10.4.8 will address this issue. If not I'll go back to Apple and request a new computer in exchange for the one I have.
I don't know, I love my quad but I have to say I was pretty upset with this whole fiasco. I wish Apple had a loaner program for professionals using powermac. That way we can still productive while the computer is being repaired. I would not mind to pay a little more on applecare to get such a service.

[AT71]

Hope the volume issue is solved in this update.

[Multimedia]

I don't know what to tell you. Couple days after I installed 10.4.7 , major issues happened on my quad. I end up with my computer at Apple for repair and 3 weeks later they figure out a combination of 10.4.7 and my GT7800 card were the issue.
Now, I have a new GT card and I use 10.4.6. The kernel comes once a week. So the problem in some way still persist. I hope the new 10.4.8 will address this issue. If not I'll go back to Apple and request a new computer in exchange for the one I have.
I don't know, I love my quad but I have to say I was pretty upset with this whole fiasco. I wish Apple had a loaner program for professionals using powermac. That way we can still productive while the computer is being repaired. I would not mind to pay a little more on applecare to get such a service.Sorry I don't have that video card in mine so I can't report replication of the problem. Sorry to hear that. Bummer.

[sehix]

They Can Aways Resort To 10.4.9.1, 10.4.9.2 Etc.

Nah, if they need to go past 10.7.9, they can go for 10.7.10, 10.7.11 .. 10.7.93 or whatever.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

[mdntcallr]

I'm hoping to see those OpenGL improvements significantly boost my Quake 1 fps on my MacBook.

hah! you are ridiculous, trying to play quake on an integrated graphics chip.

shoulda bought a macbook pro.

that said, for the money apple is charging, they could have definitely picked a low end dedicated graphics chip from ati or nvidia. shame on apple

[Deputy-Dawg]

They Can Aways Resort To 10.4.9.1, 10.4.9.2 Etc.
Or they could revert to Hex and use

10.4.A
10.4.B

etc.:D

[slb]

Nah, if they need to go past 10.7.9, they can go for 10.7.10, 10.7.11 .. 10.7.93 or whatever.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

[Josias]

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

Cheetah - 10.0.3 (I think)
Puma - 10.1.5 (I think)
Jaguar: 10.2.7
Panther: 10.3.9
Tiger: 10.4...:D

[gugy]

Sorry I don't have that video card in mine so I can't report replication of the problem. Sorry to hear that. Bummer.

Yeah, I am pretty sure the main culprit is the GT 7800 card. I am thinking in get rid of it or pressure Apple to upgrade for a better card.
Anyway, that's life in the computer world.:rolleyes:

[shawnce]

Cheetah - 10.0.3 (I think)
Puma - 10.1.5 (I think)
Jaguar: 10.2.7
Panther: 10.3.9
Tiger: 10.4...:D

Follow the Mac OS X line... http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#11

10.0.4, 10.1.5, 10.2.8, 10.3.9, 10.4.?

[bousozoku]

I just hope Apple have fixed a lot of ridiculous little problems with Cocoa and the Task Switcher, etc. that they introduced with 10.4.7. I'm tired of quitting one application in Task Switcher and seeing another application's name in the menu bar while it's quitting.

[Eric5h5]

Oh noes! The dreaded off-topic discussion on numbering schemes that pops up after each os update. ;)

Which is why it is MANDATORY that Apple release 10.4.10, even if it's exactly the same as 10.4.9 with a change log that says "Updates from 10.4.9: Er, nothing really, sorry." That way these obnoxious discussions can end once and for all.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

It most certainly is. What else would it be? Hex? Octal? Binary? Of course it's base 10. It's just not a flippin' decimal. ;) The fact that there are TWO dots makes it pretty blindingly obvious that it's just a separator...you know, like they use in phone numbers...please don't tell me anyone thinks phone numbers are decimals....

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

Blender: 2.42
Safari: 416.12 (AKA 2.0.2) (Yes, I know it's old ;) )
Wings3D: 0.98.29
Warcraft III: 1.18
Pan: 0.14.2
...etc.

And as far as Quake on a MacBook...that's Quake *1*? Even the crappy GMA950 should be playing that at hundreds of frames per second. Heck, it could do that in software mode! If you're having problems, that's not something OpenGL is gonna fix...probably Rosetta issues unless there's a UB....

--Eric

[Mogenshu]

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.


Another example is that World of Warcraft is on version 1.12

[MacsRgr8]

I don't know what to tell you. Couple days after I installed 10.4.7 , major issues happened on my quad. I end up with my computer at Apple for repair and 3 weeks later they figure out a combination of 10.4.7 and my GT7800 card were the issue.
Now, I have a new GT card and I use 10.4.6. The kernel comes once a week. So the problem in some way still persist. I hope the new 10.4.8 will address this issue. If not I'll go back to Apple and request a new computer in exchange for the one I have.
I don't know, I love my quad but I have to say I was pretty upset with this whole fiasco. I wish Apple had a loaner program for professionals using powermac. That way we can still productive while the computer is being repaired. I would not mind to pay a little more on applecare to get such a service.


I have a Quad G5, GeForce 7800 GT, 4 GB RAM, and have had Mac OS X 10.4.7 installed on it ever since the update was available.
I have had absolutely 0 problems with it!

If this 10.4.7 update would have had a known issue with our setup, we surely would have known by now.
You are sure no hardware can be faulty? Any 3rd party stuff? No bad RAM?

[gugy]

I have a Quad G5, GeForce 7800 GT, 4 GB RAM, and have had Mac OS X 10.4.7 installed on it ever since the update was available.
I have had absolutely 0 problems with it!

If this 10.4.7 update would have had a known issue with our setup, we surely would have known by now.
You are sure no hardware can be faulty? Any 3rd party stuff? No bad RAM?

yes, my set up is very much like yours. I have 6gig RAM
Well, Apple replace logic board, processors and memory and the problem was still there. finally they did replace the Gt card. It was great. Still pretty stable, but like I said once a week I get a kernel panic. The only thing I can think about is the GT card. I even tried the basic set up with only mouse and keyboard. Not sure what to do next.
Once a week problem is not a bad thing. It just bad to know that the problem still there. I guess the next thing is to try to complete replace the machine or the GT card for a different model.
I'll try to replace my 3rd party RAM, even thought I don't think it is the problem.

Thanks for the interest.

[BRLawyer]

I just hope Apple have fixed a lot of ridiculous little problems with Cocoa and the Task Switcher, etc. that they introduced with 10.4.7. I'm tired of quitting one application in Task Switcher and seeing another application's name in the menu bar while it's quitting.

Yep, this happens with me too...nothing grave but annoying..

[mmmcheese]

hah! you are ridiculous, trying to play quake on an integrated graphics chip.

shoulda bought a macbook pro.

that said, for the money apple is charging, they could have definitely picked a low end dedicated graphics chip from ati or nvidia. shame on apple

Wasn't Quake 1 a software rendered game? In that case, the graphics processor has nothing to do with it. Even if it is OpenGL accelerated, the integrated graphics should have no problem on such an old game.

[bradc]

Luckily none of you have a Mac Pro with build 8K1079. It is complete *****. Build 8K1079 is horrible, hell-half of System Preferences doesn't work, Rosetta can't keep PPC apps open, can't plug in some USB devices, can't restart without holding power button down, the curtain of death happens.....a lot. So many problems with build 8K1079 that we don't/can't use it at work here.

[JackAxe]

yes, my set up is very much like yours. I have 6gig RAM
Well, Apple replace logic board, processors and memory and the problem was still there. finally they did replace the Gt card. It was great. Still pretty stable, but like I said once a week I get a kernel panic. The only thing I can think about is the GT card. I even tried the basic set up with only mouse and keyboard. Not sure what to do next.
Once a week problem is not a bad thing. It just bad to know that the problem still there. I guess the next thing is to try to complete replace the machine or the GT card for a different model.
I'll try to replace my 3rd party RAM, even thought I don't think it is the problem.

Thanks for the interest.

My friend had nothing but problems with his G5. The computer was constantly in for repairs and would spew out kernal-panics often. It ended up being a bad memory module, which was undetectable even with an extensive hardware test. The only reason he figure it out, is because he had lowned the additional RAM to a mutual friend while his G5 was in the shop for the last time.

<]=)

[realtime]

Nah, if they need to go past 10.7.9, they can go for 10.7.10, 10.7.11 .. 10.7.93 or whatever.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

The version number used internally throughout the system is contained in 32 bits. The high byte (0-255) is the Major version number [10] in 8 bits. The second highest byte contains the Minor version [4] and the BugFix version [7] as two 4-bit nibbles, so each of those is limited to a max of 15, and the last two bytes contain an 8-bit development stage bitmask and an 8-bit revision number. Thus the OS could conceivably encounter eight more BugFix versions, up to 10.4.15, before Leopard takes over. The Gestalt format is similarly limited; although the value is a long, it holds a hexadecimal representation masked to the lowest 16 bits: 0x1047.

Heaven forbid we use more than one word to describe the system build version. I guess Apple should have packed the Major and Minor version into the two nibbles of the high byte, and designated the BugFix version the entire second byte (0-255)... but then what would we do after Mac OS X 15 is EOL'? ;-)

Personally I think Tiger will RIP at 10.4.9...

[gugy]

My friend had nothing but problems with his G5. The computer was constantly in for repairs and would spew out kernal-panics often. It ended up being a bad memory module, which was undetectable even with an extensive hardware test. The only reason he figure it out, is because he had lowned the additional RAM to a mutual friend while his G5 was in the shop for the last time.

<]=)

Yes, that might be it. It is the only thing that hasn't been replaced. The Apple memory has been replaced but not the third party RAM, I'll exchange for a new ones.
Thanks for the input.

[seashellz]

If LEOPARD doesnt arrive until spring...

[Fiveos22]

I guess I am sorry I created all the confusion,

Yes, my original post was a joke,
yes, it was referring to "Quake I",
yes, Quake I never required video hardware,
yes, Quake I runs like a bat out of hell already on the new machines,

so the OpenGL multithreading would make Quake I run much faster, because I need to see the difference between choppy 300 fps and much smoother 375 fps.

I apologize for the humor.

[XtraSmiley]

So as a new MB user, in which everything works fine so far, this update means nothing to me?

[brepublican]

If LEOPARD doesnt arrive until spring...
I frankly fail to see what the deal is with a possible 10.4.1x. I just dont see why people make such a big deal out of nothing. If it comes it comes, if it don't... well then.

Waiting patiently :)

[JeffDM]

Yes, if anyone starts that @#% up again I will punch a room full of children.

If you want a reaction, shouldn't you be threatening to be punching the children rather than the room they are in?

[JeffDM]

If LEOPARD doesnt arrive until spring...

They certainly didn't promise it for the fall. They left quite a window, didn't they say 1H07? Let them get it right with good testing. With earlier Tiger revisions, I just went back to 10.3 until they had enough things working right. This will also be the longest time between major revisions, so that's probably going to mean more minor revisions.

[Kitrik]

I thought the difference between little/big endian was that the byte order was flipped, not the bit order. So 01 in BE/LE would always be 1, 10 - 2, etc. Or am I wrong?

You are correct!!! 10 will always be 2. 01 will always be 1. Endianness swaps the bytes, not the bits. Binary addition would be hell if the bits were swapped... Plus then writing bit-operators and using bit-masks in C would just be a pain in the arse when it came time to compile that game for 5 different platforms.

[advocate]

You are correct!!! 10 will always be 2. 01 will always be 1. Endianness swaps the bytes, not the bits. Binary addition would be hell if the bits were swapped... Plus then writing bit-operators and using bit-masks in C would just be a pain in the arse when it came time to compile that game for 5 different platforms.
The bits ARE "swapped", but the whole processor is "swapped" so nobody notices- until you start looking at multibyte values.

[ju5tin81]

They'd better start shipping the portables with more roomy hard drives soon...

These software updates are getting HUUUUUUUGGGGGE!:(

[SPUY767]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You're right, whatever will they doooooo??????

Insert InvisiText™ Disclaimer that I know 10.4.10 does not equal 10.5.0 here.

10.4.9.1

[Chundles]

10.4.9.1

Nup, guess you missed the InvisiText™

10.4.9.1 implies it's a new version of 10.4.9, if it's a brand new build it'll be 10.4.10 and if anybody wants to argue....

POW!! Right to the moon!!

[robbieduncan]

They'd better start shipping the portables with more roomy hard drives soon...

These software updates are getting HUUUUUUUGGGGGE!:(

Just because the update is 100Mb (or whatever) does not mean that it needs 100Mb more disk space. If Apple want to update an executable then the updater contains the whole thing. So if the updater contains a new executable that is 10Mb and the existing one is 9.5Mb then you only need 0.5Mb more space.

[cgc]

That's why you should never boast about how right you are in a public forum...someone is bound to correct you as in the case in Big Endian vs Little Endian.

[jb84]

Apple won't use 10.4.10, it doesn't look elegant.

Instead, they'll stop at 10.4.9 and any changes after that will be called a "Security Update".

[kidtwist]

Luckily none of you have a Mac Pro with build 8K1079. It is complete *****. Build 8K1079 is horrible, hell-half of System Preferences doesn't work, Rosetta can't keep PPC apps open, can't plug in some USB devices, can't restart without holding power button down, the curtain of death happens.....a lot. So many problems with build 8K1079 that we don't/can't use it at work here.

I have a Mac Pro with that build. I've had no serious problems. The only odd thing is that sometimes when I when I go into date/time preferences dialog and try to change something in there the color wheel spins for a couple of minutes and then the controls in there don't work right. All the other system preferences appear to work normally. I've had no other problems. Even iTunes 7 works fine.

Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to an update. OS upgrades are always cool.

[rgomez]

I have a Mac Pro with that build. I've had no serious problems. The only odd thing is that sometimes when I when I go into date/time preferences dialog and try to change something in there the color wheel spins for a couple of minutes and then the controls in there don't work right. All the other system preferences appear to work normally. I've had no other problems. Even iTunes 7 works fine.

Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to an update. OS upgrades are always cool.

Ditto here. I have that build and the only problem I have experienced was yesterday, where I couldn't open Photoshop. It just bounced one time in the Dock and nothing else. I had to restart the machine. But, in the 2-3 weeks I have had my Mac Pro that's the only problem I found.

Anyway, 10.4.8 looks really interesting :)

[tvguru]

Apple won't use 10.4.10, it doesn't look elegant.

Instead, they'll stop at 10.4.9 and any changes after that will be called a "Security Update".

I kinda think it looks balanced with the 10 on each side.

[Compufix]

So as a new MB user, in which everything works fine so far, this update means nothing to me?

first off, WELCOME...second off, just an FYI, all Mac users are required by law to be excited about every update the comes along, and should rush out on a drop of a dime to install it. It's just something you have to do, or your membership to the Mac community gets revoked. 8-)

All joking aside.....I really wish support for Blackberry 7130e as a USB modem would be built in. I have the Verizon software for Windows....and the Mac version (made for Verizon by Smith Micro) does not support the Blackberry yet 8(

I gotta boot into Windows or use Parrallels...yech...


-Compufix

[bc2610]

I have not even downloaded any update yet but I have to say that safari is snappier in anticipation.

[gopher]

Every update I see people come on Apple Discussions claim that the update fried their computer. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Without certain precautions data corruption, directory issues, font issues, incompatible drivers, will make an update look bad on the surface. That's why I wrote this FAQ to prevent most upgrade problems. Please everyone take a look at it before you upgrade and decide for yourself when you are ready and finished with those precautions:

http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html

[kzg]

I like updates. :)

My build is currently 8J135. What happened to 8Kxxx?

I believe the K builds were only for the Mac Pro's

[zoran]

how true are the rumors regarding the new more powerfull Rosetta?

[srf4real]

I think we'll see 10.4.good buddy before Leopard is available:p

[MacUser4_20]

10.4.8 is being downloaded as I type!

[MacsRgr8]

And installed!

No issues the first 30 secs.... :D

[crees!]

And installed!

No issues the first 30 secs.... :D

Thanks for being the sole brave soul.

[MacsRgr8]

Thanks for being the sole brave soul.

Home computer.... all data backupped. Not really that brave. :D

BTW.. I am not the only one (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2895526&posted=1#post2895526). ;)

[Karpfish]

i downloaded 10.4.8 and it wouldnt boot! i got a dark grey screen instead of the blue appple screen. Then i did it again but reset pram. then it just sat at the apple screen loading for a few minutes, so i restarted. Same thing, but it reset by itself, o then the 3rd time i let it stay and it worked. i hope it ends up being ok. I only downloaded it because i was hoping for apertre 1.5, but of course its nto out yet

[Abulia]

Safari feels "snappier." :D

[knome]

I just tested a PPC version of halo in time demo and i noticed a 8.31fps boost. Not to signifigant but its progress.

EDIT: i just tried the UB version time demo and there was absoultly no improvement. Going to double check it with cinebench.

[MPD]

Lucky you.
5D, not so much.
How so. I have shot tethered from 5D to Macbook (RAW & JPG). What software are you using?

I have not tried yet with C1Pro but works with canon remote capture software.

[Iggy]

"Imminent?" Don't you mean "Actually here?"

You are in slow motion today MR! But I still love you.

[bousozoku]

"Imminent?" Don't you mean "Actually here?"

You are in slow motion today MR! But I still love you.

On the 27th, it was imminent. There is another thread that mentions the release.